• Odd occurencies in NoCeM

    From Tom Furie@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 21 09:22:17 2023
    Hey, everyone. I'm seeing i2pn2 NoCeMs cancelling ovh NoCeMs. Any idea
    what's happening?

    Cheers,
    Tom

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 21 10:36:01 2023
    Am 21.11.2023 um 09:22:17 Uhr schrieb Tom Furie:

    Hey, everyone. I'm seeing i2pn2 NoCeMs cancelling ovh NoCeMs. Any idea
    what's happening?

    IIRC there is a cancelling war between some NNTP operators, maybe ask
    "Ray Banana" from eternal september, IIRC he wrote about this.

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 21 11:02:59 2023
    Am 21.11.2023 um 09:48:31 Uhr schrieb Tom Furie:

    Do you remember where he wrote about it, so I can go and take a look?

    Sadly, I don't. IIRC it was when discussing about the closure of the
    alphanet NNTP server.

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  • From Tom Furie@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Tue Nov 21 09:48:31 2023
    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> writes:

    IIRC there is a cancelling war between some NNTP operators, maybe ask
    "Ray Banana" from eternal september, IIRC he wrote about this.

    That seems a bizarre concept to me. What do they have to war about, so
    long as the spam gets shut down?

    Do you remember where he wrote about it, so I can go and take a look?

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  • From Ray Banana@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 21 11:49:23 2023
    Thus spake Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de>

    Am 21.11.2023 um 09:22:17 Uhr schrieb Tom Furie:
    Hey, everyone. I'm seeing i2pn2 NoCeMs cancelling ovh NoCeMs. Any idea
    what's happening?
    IIRC there is a cancelling war between some NNTP operators, maybe ask
    "Ray Banana" from eternal september, IIRC he wrote about this.

    I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
    in the fr.* hierarchy.

    If i2pn2 is sending nocems for nocem messages issued by ovh, this is
    most likely a malfunction in i2pn2's spam filter. IIRC ovh includes
    the subject header of spam articles in its nocem messages, which in turn triggers i2pn2's spam filter.

    Maybe Retro Guy could comment on this?

    --
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  • From Eric M@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 21 11:17:02 2023
    Le 21/11/2023 à 10:22, Tom Furie a écrit :

    Hey, everyone. I'm seeing i2pn2 NoCeMs cancelling ovh NoCeMs. Any idea
    what's happening?

    A NoCem is a wolf to another NoCem.

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  • From Retro Guy@21:1/5 to Retro Guy on Tue Nov 21 13:53:26 2023
    Retro Guy wrote:

    Ray Banana wrote:

    Thus spake Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de>

    Am 21.11.2023 um 09:22:17 Uhr schrieb Tom Furie:
    Hey, everyone. I'm seeing i2pn2 NoCeMs cancelling ovh NoCeMs. Any idea >>>> what's happening?
    IIRC there is a cancelling war between some NNTP operators, maybe ask
    "Ray Banana" from eternal september, IIRC he wrote about this.

    I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
    in the fr.* hierarchy.

    If i2pn2 is sending nocems for nocem messages issued by ovh, this is
    most likely a malfunction in i2pn2's spam filter. IIRC ovh includes
    the subject header of spam articles in its nocem messages, which in turn
    triggers i2pn2's spam filter.

    Maybe Retro Guy could comment on this?

    There is no war.

    Ray is correct, my (i2pn2) filters must be triggering on
    the nocem messages. I'll check into that right away! Thanks for letting me know about it!

    I found the problem and corrected it. It looks like it's been happening for just about exactly the last 24 hours.

    I see what happened, but I'll make some changes to avoid it happening again. Somehow, the account (ovh nocem) made it's way into my perma-banned accounts, which is automated. I have removed it, and will keep monitoring as I fix
    what caused that.

    Thank again for bringing it to my attention!

    --
    Retro Guy

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  • From Retro Guy@21:1/5 to Ray Banana on Tue Nov 21 13:15:22 2023
    Ray Banana wrote:

    Thus spake Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de>

    Am 21.11.2023 um 09:22:17 Uhr schrieb Tom Furie:
    Hey, everyone. I'm seeing i2pn2 NoCeMs cancelling ovh NoCeMs. Any idea
    what's happening?
    IIRC there is a cancelling war between some NNTP operators, maybe ask
    "Ray Banana" from eternal september, IIRC he wrote about this.

    I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
    in the fr.* hierarchy.

    If i2pn2 is sending nocems for nocem messages issued by ovh, this is
    most likely a malfunction in i2pn2's spam filter. IIRC ovh includes
    the subject header of spam articles in its nocem messages, which in turn triggers i2pn2's spam filter.

    Maybe Retro Guy could comment on this?

    There is no war.

    Ray is correct, my (i2pn2) filters must be triggering on
    the nocem messages. I'll check into that right away! Thanks for letting me
    know about it!

    --
    Retro Guy

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to tom@furie.org.uk on Tue Nov 21 18:09:46 2023
    Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> wrote:
    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> writes:

    IIRC there is a cancelling war between some NNTP operators, maybe ask
    "Ray Banana" from eternal september, IIRC he wrote about this.

    That seems a bizarre concept to me. What do they have to war about, so
    long as the spam gets shut down?

    I don't know about Usenet spam, but I thought ovh was a major source of
    email spam what with wikitimbres and voilesnews and so forth. Are they
    doing legit spam cancels on usenet?
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Ray Banana@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 21 19:26:35 2023
    Thus spake kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)

    Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> wrote:
    I don't know about Usenet spam, but I thought ovh was a major source of
    email spam what with wikitimbres and voilesnews and so forth. Are they
    doing legit spam cancels on usenet?

    Don't confuse usenet.ovh with the ISP and Hoster OVH. Tey're a private
    Usenet server hosted at OVH just using their TLD. And they issue valuable NoCeMs
    on Usenet.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ovh

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  • From Eric M@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 21 19:32:33 2023
    Le 21/11/2023 à 19:26, Ray Banana a écrit :

    Don't confuse usenet.ovh with the ISP and Hoster OVH. Tey're a private
    Usenet server hosted at OVH just using their TLD. And they issue valuable NoCeMs
    on Usenet.

    And their newsmaster made rogue cancel and pushed Marc Shaefer to stop Alphanet. Oh, and one of his user is polluting the fr.* hierarchy with absolutely no reaction from the newsmaster. So I think people can
    blacklist him :)

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  • From Eric M@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 21 21:49:50 2023
    Le 21/11/2023 à 22:37, llp a écrit :

    you're like a cancer

    Does someone reliable to manage NoCems speaks like that ? I'm not sure.

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  • From llp@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 21 22:37:29 2023
    Eric M a utilis son clavier pour crire :
    Le 21/11/2023 19:26, Ray Banana a crit :

    Don't confuse usenet.ovh with the ISP and Hoster OVH. Tey're a private
    Usenet server hosted at OVH just using their TLD. And they issue valuable
    NoCeMs
    on Usenet.

    And their newsmaster made rogue cancel and pushed Marc Shaefer to stop Alphanet.

    Eric M. the most famous troll of fr hierarchy was speaking.
    you're like a cancer

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  • From Ray Banana@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 22 04:09:18 2023
    Thus spake Eric M <conanospamic@gmail.com>

    Le 21/11/2023 à 22:37, llp a écrit :
    you're like a cancer
    Does someone reliable to manage NoCems speaks like that ? I'm not sure.

    Thank you both for illustrating my point.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to rayban@raybanana.net on Wed Nov 22 02:49:31 2023
    In article <8mzfz7q7xg.fsf@raybanana.net>,
    Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net> wrote:
    Thus spake kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)

    Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> wrote:
    I don't know about Usenet spam, but I thought ovh was a major source of
    email spam what with wikitimbres and voilesnews and so forth. Are they
    doing legit spam cancels on usenet?

    Don't confuse usenet.ovh with the ISP and Hoster OVH. Tey're a private
    Usenet server hosted at OVH just using their TLD. And they issue valuable NoCeMs
    on Usenet.

    Aha! So they are not ovh at all. This is good.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From yamo'@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 23 09:54:56 2023
    Hi,
    Ray Banana a tapoté le 21/11/2023 11:49:
    I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
    in the fr.* hierarchy.

    Quoting spam in nocem notice made them marked by spamassassin ...


    --
    Stéphane

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  • From Retro Guy@21:1/5 to yamo' on Thu Nov 23 09:33:48 2023
    yamo' wrote:

    Hi,
    Ray Banana a tapoté le 21/11/2023 11:49:
    I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
    in the fr.* hierarchy.

    Quoting spam in nocem notice made them marked by spamassassin ...

    I agree, it makes perfect sense.

    I did already have nocems on a whitelist, but it wasn't working properly.
    I have fixed that and it seems ok now :)

    --
    Retro Guy

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?yamo'?=@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 23 11:06:48 2023
    Hi,
    Ray Banana a écrit :

    I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
    in the fr.* hierarchy.

    I dont understand which quarrel you are speaking?

    Posts whith Path ending with !devjntp are posted by a non-NNTP server (nemoweb.net) that I cannot control, I'm just the last NNTP feed...

    --
    Stéphane
    Sorry for my bad English

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  • From Ray Banana@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 23 12:22:02 2023
    Thus spake yamo' <news@pasdenom.info>

    Ray Banana a écrit :
    I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
    in the fr.* hierarchy.
    I dont understand which quarrel you are speaking?
    Posts whith Path ending with !devjntp are posted by a non-NNTP server (nemoweb.net) that I cannot control, I'm just the last NNTP feed...

    A quick glance at f.u.a.d. should suffice to see what I'm talking about.
    And Eric is just the moderator of the nemoweb frontend and can not
    control the operation of the backend server (i.e. pasdenom), I know.

    Anyway, this discussion is not helpful in the struggle to stop the spam
    flood from Google Groups and should remain in f.u.a.d, where
    people seem to be more willing to dedicate their time to such bickering.

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    http://www.eternal-september.org

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  • From Eric M@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 23 17:43:00 2023
    Le 23/11/2023 à 12:22, Ray Banana a écrit :

    A quick glance at f.u.a.d. should suffice to see what I'm talking about.
    And Eric is just the moderator of the nemoweb frontend and can not
    control the operation of the backend server (i.e. pasdenom), I know.

    I'm not a real moderator, I can't control many things.

    Anyway, this discussion is not helpful in the struggle to stop the spam
    flood from Google Groups and should remain in f.u.a.d, where
    people seem to be more willing to dedicate their time to such bickering.

    Well, I would agree with you in the meantime but I don't like far right activists like LLP so it annoys me a bit when people call them "reliable",
    but I don't want to start a flame war here so I won't go further, mail me
    if you want to speak, my adress is valid as is :)

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  • From llp@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 23 19:03:24 2023
    Eric M a formul la demande :
    Le 23/11/2023 12:22, Ray Banana a crit :

    A quick glance at f.u.a.d. should suffice to see what I'm talking about.
    And Eric is just the moderator of the nemoweb frontend and can not
    control the operation of the backend server (i.e. pasdenom), I know.

    I'm not a real moderator, I can't control many things.

    Anyway, this discussion is not helpful in the struggle to stop the spam
    flood from Google Groups and should remain in f.u.a.d, where
    people seem to be more willing to dedicate their time to such bickering.

    Well, I would agree with you in the meantime but I don't like far right activists like LLP

    Do you intend to continue the slanderous comments I've been subjected
    to for three years on the fr hierarchy ?
    Try doing something useful with your ten fingers: it'll be a nice
    change

    so it annoys me a bit when people call them "reliable",

    I know, you have trouble with the truth.

    but I don't want to start a flame war here so I won't go further,
    mail me if you want to speak, my adress is valid as is :)

    Do you really think you'll be better at distilling your lies in
    private?

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  • From llp@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 23 19:07:46 2023
    yamo' avait soumis l'ide :
    Hi,
    Ray Banana a crit :

    I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
    in the fr.* hierarchy.

    There's no quarrel between us.

    Posts whith Path ending with !devjntp are posted by a non-NNTP server (nemoweb.net) that I cannot control, I'm just the last NNTP feed...

    You are the *only* feed of newmoweb.net/
    So Julien Arlandis, the real newsmasters of nemoweb, will do what you
    want if you ask him.
    Perhaps you could ask him to set a valid abuse address for his server ?

    Sincerely.

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  • From Eric M@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 23 20:13:17 2023
    Le 23/11/2023 à 21:03, yamo' a écrit :

    Perhaps you could ask him to set a valid abuse address for his server ?

    I asked him many times...

    I asked him too, but he is still joinable somehow.

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?yamo'?=@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 23 20:03:36 2023
    llp a écrit :

    Perhaps you could ask him to set a valid abuse address for his server ?

    I asked him many times...

    --
    Stéphane

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  • From Eric M@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 23 20:14:03 2023
    Le 23/11/2023 à 21:03, yamo' a écrit :

    Perhaps you could ask him to set a valid abuse address for his server ?

    I asked him many times...

    I asked him too, but he is still reachable somehow.

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  • From llp@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 23 23:11:18 2023
    yamo' a expos le 23/11/2023 :
    llp a crit :

    Perhaps you could ask him to set a valid abuse address for his server ?

    I asked him many times...

    Your server is his only feed.
    You should ask him with a bit more conviction ;-)

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