• comp.terminals on paganini

    From Spam Report@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 7 07:03:45 2024
    group comp.terminals on paganini is spam flooded

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Spam Report on Wed Feb 7 14:07:09 2024
    Spam Report wrote:
    group comp.terminals on paganini is spam flooded

    as is comp.lang.cobol, 36 so far today.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Andrew on Wed Feb 7 14:40:00 2024
    On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 14:07:09 +0100, Andrew <Doug@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote: >Spam Report wrote:
    group comp.terminals on paganini is spam flooded

    as is comp.lang.cobol, 36 so far today.

    there's no going back . . . once google falls off the usenet radar, other notoriously-spammy servers will stick out like a sore thumb, particularly
    those that appear to function as troll farm storefronts . . . if almighty google is saving face, those less invincible may not afford such luxuries

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  • From Ivo Gandolfo@21:1/5 to Spam Report on Wed Feb 7 20:30:20 2024
    XPost: eternal-september.support

    On 07/02/2024 14:03, Spam Report wrote:
    group comp.terminals on paganini is spam flooded

    My server it's not the source of this spam, and I can't be able to
    monitor all group's. But we can ask one of the NoCem bot's owner Ray or
    Retro Guy to do a mass-nocem notice to delete them (or with cancels).

    F/U

    Sincerely

    --
    Ivo Gandolfo

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 7 21:36:23 2024
    In article <aaa0cc6b4cd248a5e6e208902d2d874d@dizum.com>, D <J@M> wrote:
    On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 14:07:09 +0100, Andrew <Doug@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote: >>Spam Report wrote:
    group comp.terminals on paganini is spam flooded

    as is comp.lang.cobol, 36 so far today.

    there's no going back . . . once google falls off the usenet radar, other >notoriously-spammy servers will stick out like a sore thumb, particularly >those that appear to function as troll farm storefronts . . . if almighty >google is saving face, those less invincible may not afford such luxuries

    Yes, but dumping traffic from them will be much less problematic than a
    UDP on google.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From llp@21:1/5 to All on Wed Feb 7 23:09:37 2024
    Ivo Gandolfo a formulé ce mercredi :
    On 07/02/2024 14:03, Spam Report wrote:
    group comp.terminals on paganini is spam flooded

    My server it's not the source of this spam, and I can't be able to monitor all group's. But we can ask one of the NoCem bot's owner Ray or Retro Guy to do a mass-nocem notice to delete them (or with cancels).

    You probably have a configuration problem with the application
    of existing nocems. Otherwise you wouldn't have so much spam in
    the groups mentioned.

    Best regards.

    --
    Admin of news.usenet.ovh

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to spam@report.invalid on Wed Feb 7 21:35:37 2024
    In article <upvuu6$2d04t$1@paganini.bofh.team>,
    Spam Report <spam@report.invalid> wrote:
    group comp.terminals on paganini is spam flooded

    I don't know what paganini is, but comp.terminals is one of the more heavily-hit recipients of the current google spamflood. If your admin
    is not filtering these out, you won't have long to wait. 19 days left.
    --scott
    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Wed Feb 7 21:46:33 2024
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    In article <upvuu6$2d04t$1@paganini.bofh.team>,
    Spam Report <spam@report.invalid> wrote:

    group comp.terminals on paganini is spam flooded

    I don't know what paganini is,

    The News server paganini.bofh.team that the O.P. is a user on.

    but comp.terminals is one of the more
    heavily-hit recipients of the current google spamflood. If your admin
    is not filtering these out, you won't have long to wait. 19 days left.

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Wed Feb 7 23:01:23 2024
    Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    In article <upvuu6$2d04t$1@paganini.bofh.team>,
    Spam Report <spam@report.invalid> wrote:

    group comp.terminals on paganini is spam flooded

    I don't know what paganini is,

    The News server paganini.bofh.team that the O.P. is a user on.

    Why are they not talking to their news admin then instead of posting here?
    I can certainly state that nocems are very effective at dealing with this
    spam, and if their admins are not acceping them, they probably should be.

    On the other hand, with only 19 days left, maybe they don't think it is
    worth making any configuration changes at this point.
    --scott

    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Retro Guy@21:1/5 to Ivo Gandolfo on Wed Feb 7 15:16:33 2024
    On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 20:30:20 +0100, Ivo Gandolfo wrote:

    On 07/02/2024 14:03, Spam Report wrote:
    group comp.terminals on paganini is spam flooded

    My server it's not the source of this spam, and I can't be able to
    monitor all group's. But we can ask one of the NoCem bot's owner Ray or
    Retro Guy to do a mass-nocem notice to delete them (or with cancels).

    I checked the Message-IDs of several spam on your server (paganini) and
    they are already listed in NoCeM messages.

    Is there maybe an issue applying the NoCeMs recently?

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  • From Ivo Gandolfo@21:1/5 to Retro Guy on Thu Feb 8 00:07:58 2024
    On 07/02/2024 23:16, Retro Guy wrote:

    I checked the Message-IDs of several spam on your server (paganini) and
    they are already listed in NoCeM messages.

    Is there maybe an issue applying the NoCeMs recently?

    Seem's strange, I have added all bot's on my nocem rig. Tomorrow I will
    check the log's.


    Sincerely

    --
    Ivo Gandolfo

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  • From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Thu Feb 8 02:38:07 2024
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
    Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
    Spam Report <spam@report.invalid> wrote:

    group comp.terminals on paganini is spam flooded

    I don't know what paganini is,

    The News server paganini.bofh.team that the O.P. is a user on.

    Why are they not talking to their news admin then instead of posting here?

    I have no idea. Nevertheless, Ivo is participating in this thread.

    I can certainly state that nocems are very effective at dealing with this >spam, and if their admins are not acceping them, they probably should be.

    On the other hand, with only 19 days left, maybe they don't think it is
    worth making any configuration changes at this point.

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  • From Spam Report@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Thu Feb 8 01:19:49 2024
    On 2/7/24 20:38, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Why are they not talking to their news admin then instead of posting here?
    I have no idea. Nevertheless, Ivo is participating in this thread.

    Ivo's server configuration is not the problem or the issue.

    The issue is the servers from which the spam originates.

    We should not have to remedy the spam in the first place.

    Why is anyone trying deflect and put the onus on Ivo?

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  • From yamo'@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 8 10:15:00 2024
    Hi,
    Spam Report a tapoté :

    Why is anyone trying deflect and put the onus on Ivo?


    Citing the name of the server in the subject should be avoided
    if you are looking to indicate the origin of the spam rather than
    the fact that there is spam on this server.

    --
    Stéphane /translate.google/
    Sorry for my bad English

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Spam Report on Thu Feb 8 14:22:16 2024
    On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 01:19:49 -0600, Spam Report <spam@report.invalid> wrote:
    On 2/7/24 20:38, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Why are they not talking to their news admin then instead of posting here? >> I have no idea. Nevertheless, Ivo is participating in this thread.

    Ivo's server configuration is not the problem or the issue.
    The issue is the servers from which the spam originates.
    We should not have to remedy the spam in the first place.
    Why is anyone trying deflect and put the onus on Ivo?

    as a layman this looks similar to how the massive amounts of spam that originated from google groups appeared to be supported by servers that
    were peering with google "peering!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!"

    why do servers unfriendly to spammers peer with spam-friendly servers?

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to spam@report.invalid on Thu Feb 8 14:00:14 2024
    In article <uq1v59$2kg5u$1@paganini.bofh.team>,
    Spam Report <spam@report.invalid> wrote:
    On 2/7/24 20:38, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Why are they not talking to their news admin then instead of posting here? >> I have no idea. Nevertheless, Ivo is participating in this thread.

    Ivo's server configuration is not the problem or the issue.

    The issue is the servers from which the spam originates.

    These servers are run by Google. They are being shut off in 18 days.

    We should not have to remedy the spam in the first place.

    Why is anyone trying deflect and put the onus on Ivo?

    Because, after many years of crap from Google, a fix is in place. But
    it will take time, and for another 18 days we are all going to have to
    rely on filtering to keep Usenet readable.
    --scott



    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From D@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Thu Feb 8 16:39:35 2024
    On 8 Feb 2024 14:00:14 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
    In article <uq1v59$2kg5u$1@paganini.bofh.team>,
    Spam Report <spam@report.invalid> wrote:
    On 2/7/24 20:38, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Why are they not talking to their news admin then instead of posting here? >>> I have no idea. Nevertheless, Ivo is participating in this thread.

    Ivo's server configuration is not the problem or the issue.
    The issue is the servers from which the spam originates.

    These servers are run by Google. They are being shut off in 18 days.

    We should not have to remedy the spam in the first place.
    Why is anyone trying deflect and put the onus on Ivo?

    Because, after many years of crap from Google, a fix is in place. But
    it will take time, and for another 18 days we are all going to have to
    rely on filtering to keep Usenet readable.
    --scott

    maybe a moot point but george washington's 292nd birthday is 22 february

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  • From John@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 8 17:42:33 2024
    D <J@M> writes:

    On 8 Feb 2024 14:00:14 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
    In article <uq1v59$2kg5u$1@paganini.bofh.team>,
    Spam Report <spam@report.invalid> wrote:
    On 2/7/24 20:38, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Why are they not talking to their news admin then instead of posting here?
    I have no idea. Nevertheless, Ivo is participating in this thread.

    Ivo's server configuration is not the problem or the issue.
    The issue is the servers from which the spam originates.

    These servers are run by Google. They are being shut off in 18 days.

    We should not have to remedy the spam in the first place.
    Why is anyone trying deflect and put the onus on Ivo?

    Because, after many years of crap from Google, a fix is in place. But
    it will take time, and for another 18 days we are all going to have to
    rely on filtering to keep Usenet readable.
    --scott

    maybe a moot point but george washington's 292nd birthday is 22 february

    It's not a "moot point", you illiterate, it's a non sequitur.

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  • From D@21:1/5 to John on Thu Feb 8 23:16:49 2024
    On Thu, 08 Feb 2024 17:42:33 +0000, John <john@building-m.simplistic-anti-spam-measure.net> wrote:
    D <J@M> writes:
    On 8 Feb 2024 14:00:14 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
    In article <uq1v59$2kg5u$1@paganini.bofh.team>,
    Spam Report <spam@report.invalid> wrote:
    On 2/7/24 20:38, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Why are they not talking to their news admin then instead of posting here?
    I have no idea. Nevertheless, Ivo is participating in this thread.

    Ivo's server configuration is not the problem or the issue.
    The issue is the servers from which the spam originates.

    These servers are run by Google. They are being shut off in 18 days.

    We should not have to remedy the spam in the first place.
    Why is anyone trying deflect and put the onus on Ivo?

    Because, after many years of crap from Google, a fix is in place. But
    it will take time, and for another 18 days we are all going to have to >>>rely on filtering to keep Usenet readable.
    --scott

    maybe a moot point but george washington's 292nd birthday is 22 february

    It's not a "moot point", you illiterate, it's a non sequitur.

    https://duckduckgo.com/?t=palemoon&q=moot+point . . . "18 days" from today
    is conspicuously five (5) days after google is expected to shut down their usenet gateway . . . i'm only a retired hobbyist curious about everything

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  • From immibis@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 11 04:27:22 2024
    On 8/02/24 14:22, D wrote:
    On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 01:19:49 -0600, Spam Report <spam@report.invalid> wrote:
    On 2/7/24 20:38, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Why are they not talking to their news admin then instead of posting here? >>> I have no idea. Nevertheless, Ivo is participating in this thread.

    Ivo's server configuration is not the problem or the issue.
    The issue is the servers from which the spam originates.
    We should not have to remedy the spam in the first place.
    Why is anyone trying deflect and put the onus on Ivo?

    as a layman this looks similar to how the massive amounts of spam that originated from google groups appeared to be supported by servers that
    were peering with google "peering!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!"

    why do servers unfriendly to spammers peer with spam-friendly servers?


    Surely you must realize the server you are currently using is one of the
    more spam-friendly ones, and asking this question is not in your best
    interest.

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  • From immibis@21:1/5 to Scott Dorsey on Sun Feb 11 04:25:57 2024
    On 7/02/24 22:36, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    In article <aaa0cc6b4cd248a5e6e208902d2d874d@dizum.com>, D <J@M> wrote:
    On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 14:07:09 +0100, Andrew <Doug@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote: >>> Spam Report wrote:
    group comp.terminals on paganini is spam flooded

    as is comp.lang.cobol, 36 so far today.

    there's no going back . . . once google falls off the usenet radar, other
    notoriously-spammy servers will stick out like a sore thumb, particularly
    those that appear to function as troll farm storefronts . . . if almighty
    google is saving face, those less invincible may not afford such luxuries

    Yes, but dumping traffic from them will be much less problematic than a
    UDP on google.
    --scott


    If, as is often cited, approximately 0 useful traffic comes from Google,
    then what is problematic about a UDP on it?

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  • From D@21:1/5 to immibis on Sun Feb 11 06:01:39 2024
    On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 04:27:22 +0100, immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote:
    On 8/02/24 14:22, D wrote:
    On Thu, 8 Feb 2024 01:19:49 -0600, Spam Report <spam@report.invalid> wrote: >>> On 2/7/24 20:38, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
    Why are they not talking to their news admin then instead of posting here?
    I have no idea. Nevertheless, Ivo is participating in this thread.

    Ivo's server configuration is not the problem or the issue.
    The issue is the servers from which the spam originates.
    We should not have to remedy the spam in the first place.
    Why is anyone trying deflect and put the onus on Ivo?

    as a layman this looks similar to how the massive amounts of spam that
    originated from google groups appeared to be supported by servers that
    were peering with google "peering!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!"
    why do servers unfriendly to spammers peer with spam-friendly servers?

    Surely you must realize the server you are currently using is one of the
    more spam-friendly ones, and asking this question is not in your best >interest.

    as a continual subscriber to news:alt.privacy.anon-server since jan 1998,
    i've seen plenty of discussions about anonymous remailers being used and abused, but as for reliable statistics across all usenet newsgroups from
    year to year since remailer usage became popular, that much is a mystery;
    afaik google is uncontested as the number one worst spammer in the world,
    but where troll farms are concerned, that seems universal to all servers

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  • From Scott Dorsey@21:1/5 to news@immibis.com on Sun Feb 11 14:50:13 2024
    In article <uq9eo5$8ng0$1@dont-email.me>, immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote: >On 7/02/24 22:36, Scott Dorsey wrote:
    In article <aaa0cc6b4cd248a5e6e208902d2d874d@dizum.com>, D <J@M> wrote:
    On Wed, 7 Feb 2024 14:07:09 +0100, Andrew <Doug@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote:
    Spam Report wrote:
    group comp.terminals on paganini is spam flooded

    as is comp.lang.cobol, 36 so far today.

    there's no going back . . . once google falls off the usenet radar, other >>> notoriously-spammy servers will stick out like a sore thumb, particularly >>> those that appear to function as troll farm storefronts . . . if almighty >>> google is saving face, those less invincible may not afford such luxuries >>
    Yes, but dumping traffic from them will be much less problematic than a
    UDP on google.

    If, as is often cited, approximately 0 useful traffic comes from Google,
    then what is problematic about a UDP on it?

    It's not 0. It's very low, but it's not 0. It's large enough in some
    groups that there were worries about it. In technical groups it is
    pretty much 0, though. But at this point it is academic.
    --scott


    --
    "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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  • From Adam W.@21:1/5 to Ivo Gandolfo on Mon Feb 12 05:57:09 2024
    XPost: eternal-september.support

    Ivo Gandolfo <usenet@bofh.team> wrote:

    My server it's not the source of this spam, and I can't be able to
    monitor all group's. But we can ask one of the NoCem bot's owner Ray or
    Retro Guy to do a mass-nocem notice to delete them (or with cancels).

    I issued nocems from news.chmurka.net for these spams (and added senders
    to filters, so they're automatically nocem-ed). The group is clean from it
    on my side now.

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  • From R Daneel Olivaw@21:1/5 to Ivo Gandolfo on Mon Feb 12 09:53:18 2024
    Ivo Gandolfo wrote:
    On 07/02/2024 23:16, Retro Guy wrote:

    I checked the Message-IDs of several spam on your server (paganini) and
    they are already listed in NoCeM messages.

    Is there maybe an issue applying the NoCeMs recently?

    Seem's strange, I have added all bot's on my nocem rig. Tomorrow I will
    check the log's.


    Sincerely


    I don't use Retro Guy's server, but do use Eternal September. Ray on ES deletes the garbage on comp.lang.cobol pretty much as fast as it
    arrives. As far as I can see, no false positives, but no "false
    negatives" either. Of course I don't know if he is detecting the crap
    or if he is applying NoCeMs from elsewhere, whatever he's doing it is effective.
    No-one is suggesting that this garbage is entered via Paganini (it is
    100% Google Groups), it is more that the pest control applied by other
    sites is not making it to Paganini.

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