On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 22:54:07 +0200, llp <llp@news.usenet.ovh> wrote:

Olivier Miakinen a formule ce mardi :

To all people who write in thread "Canal+ crash"
Le 23/07/2024 03:52, miakibot a ecrit :

Article crossposte dans deux hierarchies ou plus, sans suivi.
<v7n24r$t929$1@dont-email.me>
Re: Canal+ crash
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Tue, 23 Jul 2024 01:48:12 -0000
fr.comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.ada
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Re: Canal+ crash
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid>
Tue, 23 Jul 2024 01:49:16 -0000
fr.comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.ada

All your posts are cancelled because they are crossposted between
comp.lang.ada and the French-only speaking group fr.comp.lang.ada.
If you want to respect the rules of the French-speaking hierarchy
fr.* and/or if you want that your posts be not cancelled (on the
servers which accept cancellations) (...)

Unfortunately for you and fortunately for them, none of the
participants
in the discussion generated by these messages use a server that accepts
your third party cancellations: too many abuses have been seen in the
past.

the op cross-posted this article (later adding "alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk"), while other replies to this thread retained "fr.comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.ada":

Path: news...!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: Nicolas Paul Colin de Glocester <Master_Fontaine_is_dishonest@Strand_in_London.Gov.UK>
Newsgroups: fr.comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.ada
Subject: Canal+ crash
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2024 23:41:44 +0200
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
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Cancel-Lock: sha1:0O6psZ4z3f1Vm+53sV0mknBph2c=

[end quote]

the usenet troll farm have been cross-posting en masse since 1993,
and some of the most notorious servers (e.g., newsdemon, giganews)
allow unlimited trolling/spamming as if it's their job description

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Hello D,

Le 24/07/2024 01:43, D a �crit :

All your posts are cancelled because they are crossposted between
comp.lang.ada and the French-only speaking group fr.comp.lang.ada.
If you want to respect the rules of the French-speaking hierarchy
fr.* and/or if you want that your posts be not cancelled (on the
servers which accept cancellations) (...)

Unfortunately for you and fortunately for them, none of the
participants
in the discussion generated by these messages use a server that accepts >>your third party cancellations: too many abuses have been seen in the
past.

the op cross-posted this article (later adding "alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk"), while other replies to this thread retained "fr.comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.ada":

I don't have the post you're replying to. But its author is obviously delighted that the rules of the French-speaking hierarchy can be violated with impunity ("fortunately for them").

[...]

the usenet troll farm have been cross-posting en masse since 1993,
and some of the most notorious servers (e.g., newsdemon, giganews)
allow unlimited trolling/spamming as if it's their job description

It's no wonder that those who protect abuse and trolls claim that their cancellation is abusive.

--
Olivier Miakinen

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Dear Sir/Madam,

Canal+ is a French television station and I had cited an article in French when I had commenced this thread. I of course did not intend to upset
Mister Olivier Miakinen.

Dr. J-P. Rosen deemed it appropriate to follow up to fr.comp.lang.ada in English. Others also deemed it appropriate to not follow up in French.

Today Eternal September shows only 773 articles in fr.comp.lang.ada before this thread and at least 170 (22%) thereof are in English. (Including more than 1 year all in English i.e. de 2014 to November 2016.) Many are by Dr. Dirk Craeynest who natively speaks French who does not natively speak
English who habitually posts repetitive articles to many newsgroups
thereby inspiring a USENET-response rate of nearly zero percent.

(DrPi taught me an English word which I did not know which he uses on fr.comp.lang.ada while I was analysing the statistics for the previous paragraph.)

During 2002 and 2010 (“Lex et yacc pour ada” and “RootCause; AdaNav; ThreadSpotter; et software similaire”) I uploaded 2 articles in French to fr.comp.lang.ada which like many other articles in fr.comp.lang.ada
provoked no response.

Sincères salutations.


Nicolas Paul Colin de Glocester

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Hello,

I will answer in French, since I believe that my response will not interest many people other than you and me. Of course, anybody will always have the opportunity to translate it via DeepL or Google Translate, which is what I
do very often when I read English because I am rather bad at this language.

Le 24/07/2024 12:05, Nicolas Paul Colin de Glocester a écrit :

Dear Sir/Madam,

Canal+ is a French television station and I had cited an article in French when I had commenced this thread. I of course did not intend to upset
Mister Olivier Miakinen.

Note que je ne suis pas du tout en colère. Mon intention était juste de prévenir les intervenants de ce fil que :

1) Les crossposts entre fr.* et une autre hiérarchie peuvent être filtrés sur des serveurs français, à partir du moment où il n'y a pas un suivi (Followup-To) vers un seul groupe. C'est le cas sur celui que j'utilise
depuis des années (news.galacsys.net) et probablement aussi sur free.fr. D'ailleurs c'est aussi le cas sur ces deux serveurs pour les crossposts
dans au moins trois groupes de fr.* sans suivi.

2) Le robot que je gère et qui annule le spam depuis 2021 n'avait donc pas accès jusqu'à récemment à ces crossposts considérés comme abusifs sur fr.*,
mais depuis que j'ai accès à un autre serveur qui ne filtre pas ces articles abusifs, mon robot fait aussi des annulations dessus. N'y vois aucune mauvaise intention nouvelle, c'est un effet de bord de la possibilité technique qu'a
le robot de les voir maintenant.

3) Et donc, indépendamment de ce que je peux en penser, tu as tout à fait la possibilité de crossposter des articles en anglais sur fr.comp.lang.ada et
sur comp.lang.ada, mais sache que si tu ne places pas un suivi vers un seul
des deux groupes, tu risques de te couper d'une partie de tes lecteurs. C'était
déjà le cas avant que le robot n'accède à un nouveau serveur, mais ça l'est
encore un peu plus maintenant.

[exemples d'articles crosspostés et ayant eu des réponses]

Oui, ceux qui accèdent aux news via des serveurs qui n'appliquent pas les règles spécifiques à usenet-fr peuvent très bien lire ces crossposts entre un groupe de fr.* et un groupe hors fr.*, et y répondre.

Il se trouve malgré tout que ces crossposts sans suivi ont toujours été considérés comme abusifs sur fr.*, et que même s'ils n'ont pas toujours été annulés partout, ils étaient déjà invisibles sur certains serveurs et qu'ils risquent de l'être un peu plus maintenant.

La solution est simple : quand tu fais un crosspost entre fr.* et comp.*,
place un suivi vers l'un des deux groupes : soit fr.* si c'est un article
en français ; soit comp.* s'il est dans une autre langue.

During 2002 and 2010 (“Lex et yacc pour ada” and “RootCause; AdaNav; ThreadSpotter; et software similaire”) I uploaded 2 articles in French to fr.comp.lang.ada which like many other articles in fr.comp.lang.ada
provoked no response.

Par curiosité, est-ce que des articles en anglais publiés sur fr.comp.lang.ada
seul ont eu plus de réponses que ceux en français sur ce groupe ? Et si la réponse est non, ne serait-ce pas parce que personne ne lit fr.comp.lang.ada seul, et que tous les lecteurs sont en fait sur comp.lang.ada ? Ça donnerait du poids à l'idée de faire un suivi vers comp.lang.ada à chaque fois que tu crosspostes avec fr.comp.lang.ada.

Sincères salutations.

Tout pareil.
--
Olivier Miakinen

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On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 12:05:50 +0200, Nicolas Paul Colin de Glocester <Master_Fontaine_is_dishonest@Strand_in_London.Gov.UK> wrote:

Dear Sir/Madam,
Canal+ is a French television station and I had cited an article in French >when I had commenced this thread. I of course did not intend to upset
Mister Olivier Miakinen.
Dr. J-P. Rosen deemed it appropriate to follow up to fr.comp.lang.ada in >English. Others also deemed it appropriate to not follow up in French.
Today Eternal September shows only 773 articles in fr.comp.lang.ada before >this thread and at least 170 (22%) thereof are in English. (Including more >than 1 year all in English i.e. de 2014 to November 2016.) Many are by Dr. >Dirk Craeynest who natively speaks French who does not natively speak
English who habitually posts repetitive articles to many newsgroups
thereby inspiring a USENET-response rate of nearly zero percent.
(DrPi taught me an English word which I did not know which he uses on >fr.comp.lang.ada while I was analysing the statistics for the previous >paragraph.)
During 2002 and 2010 ("Lex et yacc pour ada" and "RootCause; AdaNav; >ThreadSpotter; et software similaire") I uploaded 2 articles in French to >fr.comp.lang.ada which like many other articles in fr.comp.lang.ada
provoked no response.
Sinceres salutations.
Nicolas Paul Colin de Glocester

thank you for your reply . . . i've seen clips from "canal+" and other
european tv stations in some british documentaries posted in streaming
formats; cross-posting to the usenet newsgroups may have seemed like a
good idea at the time, but the mondation of '93 aka "eternal september"
flooded usenet into the meslee; one or two cross-posted newsgroups may
seem reasonable to some, but posting articles separately, one group at
a time i.e. without cross-posting, makes better sense, irrespective of
what some have called "multi-posting" because not all usenet newsgroup subscribers, contributors, lurkers, etc., are actually reading in more
than one of those included newsgroups; anyone can assign "follow-up to"
when replying to articles that were posted in one newsgroup to another newsgroup (etiquette to announce follow-up in body of reply), so there
was never any need for the inherently awkward praxis of "cross-posting"

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On Wed, 24 Jul 2024, D wrote:
"thank you for your reply . . ."


Thanks likewise for replying politely.


On Wed, 24 Jul 2024, D wrote:
"cross-posting to the usenet newsgroups may have seemed like a
good idea at the time, but the mondation of '93 aka "eternal september"
flooded usenet into the meslee; one or two cross-posted newsgroups may
seem reasonable to some, but posting articles separately, one group at
a time i.e. without cross-posting, makes better sense, irrespective of
what some have called "multi-posting" because not all usenet newsgroup subscribers, contributors, lurkers, etc., are actually reading in more
than one of those included newsgroups; anyone can assign "follow-up to"
when replying to articles that were posted in one newsgroup to another newsgroup (etiquette to announce follow-up in body of reply), so there
was never any need for the inherently awkward praxis of "cross-posting""


Dict.cc and WWW.Merriam-Webster.com and a dictionary failed to explain "mondation" to me and I did not look up "meslee".

Thanks for appreciating that I do not attempt to annoy you. I am in the
space industry as an ex-employee of the European Space Agency where we
believe that redundancy (backups) is an essential policy. I continue
during more than twenty years of USENET to think that cross-posting is
good. I rarely do it, because most USENET articles by me are suited for a
small number of newsgroups. For an example of a person who disagrees with
me, cf. a Java programmer many years ago.

Eternal September does not permit cross-posting to more than 3 newsgroups, which I recently find to be too restrictive. But hey! Eternal September is gratis and good. Not all USENET servers carry the same newsgroups.
Following upto just 1 newsgroup can deprive readers (who read the start of
a thread) of important contributions to a thread.

I refer you to the last paragraph of news:0f0dc30e-a92d-364f-ed16-1247fb220b57@Strand_in_London.Gov.UK

With best regards,
N. C. P. de G.

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Salut !

Well if one would like to write in one’s native tongue then one may permit us to do so too. Will you be cancelling illegal disrespect against our
tongue by the European Union and by the Council of Europe and by the
United Nations and by the International Criminal Court? As for DeepL and Google Translate, I refer you to an article about them in the last issue
de “Feasta”. I can not copy and paste de it so I copied and pasted de a PDF file by a government instead: “5. Spreagfar na dochtúirí ginearálta le
seirbhísí ateangaireachta gairmiúla a úsáid seachas brath ar bhealaí eile ar nós duine muinteartha nó Google Translate do sheirbhísí dá leithéid; agus
6. Déanfar athbhreithniú leanúnach ar an gceist.” Fòghnaidh faclair às Yoran Embanner no CreateSpace Independent Publishing Platform, dar leam.
Cha dèanadh mi sgrùdadh mun Fhraingis àm sam bith! Char chum mise RootCause; AdaNav; ThreadSpotter; et software similaire. Dh’iarr mise eadar-theangachadh ar co-oibrichean. Sheòl mise eadar-theangachadh gu fr.comp.lang.ada.

Cha toireadh eternal September na news.BlueWorldHosting.com na HTTPS://Groups.Google.com/g/fr.comp.lang.ada/search?q=om%2Bnews%40miakinen.net dad leat aig fr.comp.lang.ada ron 23/07/2024 na Miakinen.net na LinkedIn
dad leat mu Ada fainear dhom. Ar cheannaich thu compilers Ada a riamh?

Tha Apache gun Ada aig Miakinen.net.

(Bidh ceann (.i.
Newsgroups: fr.comp.lang.ada
Subject: Re: effece ecran
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 14:41:17 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: Comp.Center (RUS), U of Stuttgart, FRG
Message-ID: <bp2pid$73k$1@news.uni-stuttgart.de>
) anns an Almáinis.)

An eil sgrùdadh uait gu fìor?

Bidh alt ann an Ada Letters agus ann an Ada User Journal. Bidh ailt ann na comp.lang.ada agus fr.comp.lang.ada.

Sincères salutations.


Nicolas Paul Colin de Glocester

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On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:42:51 +0200, Nicolas Paul Colin de Glocester <Master_Fontaine_is_dishonest@Strand_in_London.Gov.UK> wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jul 2024, D wrote:
"thank you for your reply . . ."

Thanks likewise for replying politely.

On Wed, 24 Jul 2024, D wrote:
"cross-posting to the usenet newsgroups may have seemed like a
good idea at the time, but the mondation of '93 aka "eternal september" >flooded usenet into the meslee; one or two cross-posted newsgroups may
seem reasonable to some, but posting articles separately, one group at
a time i.e. without cross-posting, makes better sense, irrespective of
what some have called "multi-posting" because not all usenet newsgroup >subscribers, contributors, lurkers, etc., are actually reading in more
than one of those included newsgroups; anyone can assign "follow-up to"
when replying to articles that were posted in one newsgroup to another >newsgroup (etiquette to announce follow-up in body of reply), so there
was never any need for the inherently awkward praxis of "cross-posting""

Dict.cc and WWW.Merriam-Webster.com and a dictionary failed to explain >"mondation" to me and I did not look up "meslee".

it's archaic, e.g. l'vniuerselle mondation, l'vniuersel deluge, in
reference to the worldwide inundation better known as noah's flood;
plenty of old dictionaries on-line, for old french i've used these:

thresor de la langue (1606): https://fr.wikisource.org/wiki/Thresor_de_la_langue_fran%C3%A7oise https://artfl.atilf.fr/dictionnaires/TLF-NICOT/index.htm
e.g., look up the word "meslee" from the main page: http://portail.atilf.fr/cgi-bin/dico1look.pl?strippedhw=meslee

dictionarium latinogallicum (1552): https://la.wikisource.org/wiki/Liber:Dictionarium_latinogallicum_-_Estienne,_1552,_A-Ins.djvu
https://artfl.atilf.fr/dictionnaires/ESTIENNE/index.htm

Thanks for appreciating that I do not attempt to annoy you. I am in the
space industry as an ex-employee of the European Space Agency where we >believe that redundancy (backups) is an essential policy. I continue
during more than twenty years of USENET to think that cross-posting is
good. I rarely do it, because most USENET articles by me are suited for a >small number of newsgroups. For an example of a person who disagrees with
me, cf. a Java programmer many years ago.
Eternal September does not permit cross-posting to more than 3 newsgroups, >which I recently find to be too restrictive. But hey! Eternal September is >gratis and good. Not all USENET servers carry the same newsgroups.
Following upto just 1 newsgroup can deprive readers (who read the start of
a thread) of important contributions to a thread.
I refer you to the last paragraph of >news:0f0dc30e-a92d-364f-ed16-1247fb220b57@Strand_in_London.Gov.UK
With best regards,
N. C. P. de G.

probably myriads of usenet newsgroup subscribers have saved and shared cherry-picked articles and perhaps entire archives from their favorite newsgroups over these decades since usenet became popular . . . surely governments do these things routinely, thus redundancy is to the nines

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Le 24/07/2024 17:24, Nicolas Paul Colin de Glocester a écrit :

Well if one would like to write in one’s native tongue then one may permit us to do so too. Will you be cancelling illegal disrespect against our
tongue by the European Union and by the Council of Europe and by the
United Nations and by the International Criminal Court?

Of course not! Where did you take this weird idea?

Maybe I was not clear enough.

The articles that were long cancelled by some news servers, and recently cancelled by my spam bot, have nothing to do with the contents of the
body of the message, and so they have nothing to do with the language
used in these article bodies.

The one and only criterium is the content of the "Newsgroups" header and
the presence or absence of the "Followup-To" header with one group.

You can write as many Irish messages as you want, crossposted in both comp.lang.ada and fr.comp.lang.ada. If there is a Followup-To header
with a single group (either comp.lang.ada or fr.comp.lang.ada), they
will not be cancelled.

Is it more clear now?

--
Olivier Miakinen

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XPost: fr.usenet.usages

[copie et suivi vers fr.usenet.usages]

Quelques précisions...

Le 24/07/2024 21:20, je répondais à Nicolas Paul Colin de Glocester :

Well if one would like to write in one’s native tongue then one may permit >> us to do so too. Will you be cancelling illegal disrespect against our
tongue by the European Union and by the Council of Europe and by the
United Nations and by the International Criminal Court?

Of course not! Where did you take this weird idea?

Maybe I was not clear enough.

The articles that were long cancelled by some news servers, and recently cancelled by my spam bot, have nothing to do with the contents of the
body of the message, and so they have nothing to do with the language
used in these article bodies.

The one and only criterium is the content of the "Newsgroups" header and
the presence or absence of the "Followup-To" header with one group.

You can write as many Irish messages as you want, crossposted in both comp.lang.ada and fr.comp.lang.ada. If there is a Followup-To header
with a single group (either comp.lang.ada or fr.comp.lang.ada), they
will not be cancelled.

Is it more clear now?

Il est permis d'écrire dans la langue que l'on veut dans de nombreux
groupes de usenet. Je ne sais même pas s'il est obligatoire d'écrire
en anglais dans la hiérarchie comp.* ou dans la hiérarchie news.*

Mais la hiérarchie fr.* aussi appelée usenet-fr a été créée spécialement pour qu'on y parle spécifiquement en français, et ce quel que soit notre pays. Ce n'est donc pas une hiérarchie française mais francophone.

<http://www.usenet-fr.net/fur/usenet/presentation-fr.html>

Ainsi, si écrire exclusivement en anglais (ou en irlandais ou en wolof)
dans un groupe de usenet-fr n'expose pas à voir son article annulé,
c'est malgré tout un manque de respect des autres utilisateurs. Cette discussion n'a donc plus rien à faire dans news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
qui concerne des abus techniques, mais elle devient en charte (en français) dans fr.usenet.usages. J'y fais suivre la discussion.

Cordialement,
--
Olivier Miakinen

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Nicolas Paul Colin de Glocester <Master_Fontaine_is_dishonest@Strand_in_London.Gov.UK> wrote:

Salut !

Well if one would like to write in one's native tongue then one may permit
us to do so too.

Why the hell would you post an article in an international newsgroup in
a language other than the language the reader expects to read? That's incredibly rude. Communication is the main purpose of newsgroups, not
your personal objection that you speak, read, and write one language and
you resent that others don't. If you behave immaturely, expect to be
kill filed.

Will you be cancelling illegal disrespect against our
tongue by the European Union and by the Council of Europe and by the
United Nations and by the International Criminal Court? . . .

Your behavior is completely immature no matter what language you write in.

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Olivier Miakinen a émis l'idée suivante :

Le 24/07/2024 17:24, Nicolas Paul Colin de Glocester a écrit :

Well if one would like to write in one’s native tongue then one may permit >> us to do so too. Will you be cancelling illegal disrespect against our
tongue by the European Union and by the Council of Europe and by the
United Nations and by the International Criminal Court?

Of course not! Where did you take this weird idea?

Maybe I was not clear enough.

Let's see.

The articles that were long cancelled by some news servers, and recently cancelled by my spam bot, have nothing to do with the contents of the
body of the message, and so they have nothing to do with the language
used in these article bodies.

To be clear, cancels from miakibot (Olivier Miakinen's robot) seem
to be accepted by only 4 or 5 servers on the planet: news.free.fr
(which accepts anything and everything), pasdenom.info (by choice),
Nemoweb (whose only feed is pasdenom.info) and the Paganini server.
The others don't respond to his cancels, and some newsmasters have
issued very clear opinions on the reason(s) for this refusal.

The one and only criterium is the content of the "Newsgroups" header and
the presence or absence of the "Followup-To" header with one group.

For theses cancels.
For other cancels on "fr" hiérarchy, the personnality of the writer
was the real reason for the cancellations.

--
Admin of news.usenet.ovh

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On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 10:21:58 +0200, Olivier Miakinen <om+news@miakinen.net> wrote:

Hello D,
Le 24/07/2024 01:43, D a ecrit :

snip

the op cross-posted this article (later adding "alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk"),
while other replies to this thread retained "fr.comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.ada":

I don't have the post you're replying to. But its author is obviously delighted
that the rules of the French-speaking hierarchy can be violated with impunity >("fortunately for them").

the usenet troll farm have been cross-posting en masse since 1993,
and some of the most notorious servers (e.g., newsdemon, giganews)
allow unlimited trolling/spamming as if it's their job description

It's no wonder that those who protect abuse and trolls claim that their >cancellation is abusive.

probably the vast majority of articles and replies posted to newsgroups
in the popular fr.* hierarchy are penned predominantly in modern french,
but that doesn't render other languages "forbidden" from inclusion with unmoderated newsgroup discussions especially with so many user-friendly
on-line and freeware translation tools available... e.g. is latin taboo?
if so, we're all in trouble . . . cross-posting causes problems, and so
do the rogue newsservers that enable and tolerate the usenet troll farm

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Il se trouve que Olivier Miakinen a formulé :

Hello D,

Le 24/07/2024 01:43, D a écrit :

All your posts are cancelled because they are crossposted between
comp.lang.ada and the French-only speaking group fr.comp.lang.ada.
If you want to respect the rules of the French-speaking hierarchy
fr.* and/or if you want that your posts be not cancelled (on the
servers which accept cancellations) (...)

Unfortunately for you and fortunately for them, none of the
participants
in the discussion generated by these messages use a server that accepts
your third party cancellations: too many abuses have been seen in the
past.

the op cross-posted this article (later adding
"alt.comp.acad-freedom.talk"), while other replies to this thread retained >> "fr.comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.ada":

I don't have the post you're replying to.

You don't want to read this post, it's not the same thing.

But its author is obviously
delighted that the rules of the French-speaking hierarchy can be violated with impunity ("fortunately for them").

I don't see any need for a global cancel on year-old messages
that will only be honored by 4 or 5 servers...

What's more, it reminds all those who know you on the “fr” hierarchy
of your previous abusive cancellations of Pierre Arribaut (more than
3600 anyway). Probably one of the reasons why your robot's
cancellations do nothing on all well-managed servers.

Finally, this reminder of the rules of the “fr” hierarchy is rather
amusing coming from someone who no longer recognizes any FAQ on
legitimate cancellations and who has declared that from now on he will
do as he pleases.

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On Wed, 24 Jul 2024, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
"Why the hell would you post an article in an international newsgroup in
a language other than the language the reader expects to read?"

Dear Mister Kerman:

I had started this thread in news:fr.comp.lang.ada and news:comp.lang.ada
in only the 2 dominant linguae francae that are normally used on those newsgroups. Mister Miakinen is a PHP coder who does not seem to be an
Adaist who decided to try to cancel articles in this thread in
fr.comp.lang.ada even though they are on that newsgroup's topic because he falsely professed "French-only speaking group fr.comp.lang.ada". I never
detect anything by him about Ada outside of this thread and I pointed out
that some 22% of articles in recent years in fr.comp.lang.ada before this thread are in English.

He decided to switch from English to their language believing that
translation software would suffice, so I decided to switch to our language citing empirical informations about translation codes.

The only person who contributed to this thread to fr.comp.lang.ada who
often contributes to that newsgroup made contributions in English to this thread to fr.comp.lang.ada.

I am not rude. I am a victim of crimes against humanity by criminals in
France (they went on and murdered 3 men to conceal these crimes) (cf. HTTPS://WWW.COE.int/en/web/cpt/portugal
), so French police ordered me to travel to France to complain to French
police in a criminal process against them. I did so but a policewoman said
that the police there would not interrogate me before tha last day of this international journey so she ordered me to return then which I did. They
still did not arrange for an interpreter to arrive so they still never interrogate me. Are French police rude by coercing myself to lose money
and ordering me to attend a would-had-been interrogation which never
happened because they did not arrange an interpreter during the large
amount of time that they had wasted even though they always know that an interpreter is essential?

By the way, I ran out of money during this journey so I spent a night in
the f-wording snow in France waiting to testify.

On Wed, 24 Jul 2024, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
"Communication is the main purpose of newsgroups,"

Agreed. Did translation software succeed today? I do not know. An
interpreter once asked me did he work well. I explained that as I am not
an interpreter then I do not know if he interprets well. He is much more skilled than translation software. I am certain thereof!

On Wed, 24 Jul 2024, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
"not
your personal objection that you speak, read, and write one language and
you resent that others don't."

We suffer discrimination and persecution against language rights of ours
and the aforementioned murders happened because of illegal word games
against our language. We do not resent that others do not speak/read/write
our language. We frequently demand interpreters for persons who do not understand our language. Cf. HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/stailc_teanga/Is_cearta_daonna_iad_cearta_teanga.HTM

I never wrote a sentence in our language in comp.lang.ada or
fr.comp.lang.ada. Please do not lie again.

On Wed, 24 Jul 2024, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
"Your behavior"

Thou canst write complaints against the rights of the languages to the politicians to whom I refer via
HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/stailc_teanga/
or to similar politicians in a lingua franca but thou art not eligible to
vote for them and they might respect thee in a more favourable way if thou wouldst learn to spell correctly in English. Schools in the United States
of America do not teach the correct English spellings.

Thy sincerely.
Nicolas Paul Colin de Glocester

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On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 17:42:51 +0200, Nicolas Paul Colin de Glocester <Master_Fontaine_is_dishonest@Strand_in_London.Gov.UK> wrote:

On Wed, 24 Jul 2024, D wrote:
"thank you for your reply . . ."

Thanks likewise for replying politely.

p.s. i noticed that the search feature in dictionarium latinogallicum (1552)
<https://artfl.atilf.fr/dictionnaires/ESTIENNE/index.htm> doesn't seem
to work, but the original book is available in scanned, full color pdf
format, which i downloaded and it appears to be complete and excellent:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=dictionarium+latinogallicum+estienne+1552

...
https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_IiJTbBaXEx0C
Dictionarium Latinogallicum, postrema hac aeditione valde locupletatum.
Huius vero praecipuus est vsus, ad Latini sermonis foelicitatem, & cum >Gallico idiomate consensionem demostrandam ..
by Robert Estienne
Publication date 1552
...
https://archive.org/download/bub_gb_IiJTbBaXEx0C/bub_gb_IiJTbBaXEx0C.pdf (108.2 MB)

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On Wed, 24 Jul 2024, Olivier Miakinen wrote:
"Le 24/07/2024 17:24, Nicolas Paul Colin de Glocester a écrit :

Well if one would like to write in one’s native tongue then one may permit us to do so too. Will you be cancelling illegal disrespect against our tongue by the European Union and by the Council of Europe and by the
United Nations and by the International Criminal Court?

Of course not! Where did you take this weird idea?"

Hello,

Only you yourself attempted to interfere in Anglophone newsgroup fr.comp.lang.ada with an Anglophone thread by pretending that Anglophone newsgroup fr.comp.lang.ada is a "French-only speaking group". So
cancelling things which are not connected with you on the basis of a
tongue and your decision to switch from English to French on news.admin.net-abuse.usenet might suggest that you are unlike the
conniving Francophones whom we can not hear from the European Parliament
via
HTTP://Gloucester.Insomnia247.NL/stailc_teanga/stailc_teanga_.webm
speaking for our tongue. Ils devraient avoir honte ! You possibly approve
of anti-discrimination laws. E.g.
"26.10.2012 | FR | Journal officiel de l'Union européenne | C 326/391 CHARTE DES DROITS FONDAMENTAUX DE L'UNION EUROPÉENNE
2012/C 326/02
[. . .]
Article 21
Non-discrimination
1. Est interdite toute discrimination fondée notamment sur le sexe, la race, la couleur, les origines ethniques ou sociales, les
caractéristiques génétiques, la langue, la religion ou les convictions,
les opinions politiques ou toute autre opinion, l'appartenance à une minorité nationale, la fortune, la naissance, un handicap, l'âge ou l'orientation sexuelle.
2. Dans le domaine d'application des traités et sans préjudice de leurs dispositions particulières, toute discrimination exercée en raison de la nationalité est interdite.
Article 22
Diversité culturelle, religieuse et linguistique
L'Union respecte la diversité culturelle, religieuse et linguistique."
says HTTPS://Eur-Lex.Europa.EU/legal-content/FR-EN/TXT/?from=FR&uri=CELEX%3A12012P%2FTXT


On Wed, 24 Jul 2024, Olivier Miakinen wrote:
"If there is a Followup-To header
with a single group (either comp.lang.ada or fr.comp.lang.ada), they
will not be cancelled."

That is not a good policy. Ada France stopped archiving USENET many years
ago. An ongoing archive exists for comp.lang.ada.

On Wed, 24 Jul 2024, Olivier Miakinen wrote:
"Is it more clear now?"

Oui. You have not clearly shown any interest about Ada to me. You do not
seem to be an Adaist. You have not shown any interest about
fr.comp.lang.ada to me before this thread (please show me an article by
you yourself from fr.comp.lang.ada from before this thread). You have
shown remarkable ignorance of or dishonesty about fr.comp.lang.ada. Which
is it? Are you a member of Ada-France? Do you consent to Ada-France
divuluging all the data about you that it has to prove or disprove that
you are a Francophone Adaist? Will you show us a proof from an
Ada-compiler vendor that you bought an Ada compiler?

Yours sincerely.
Nicolas Paul Colin de Glocester

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Merci !

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Hello Nicolas,

In brief : don't shoot the messenger.

Le 25/07/2024 01:28, Nicolas Paul Colin de Glocester a �crit :

Only you yourself attempted to interfere in Anglophone newsgroup fr.comp.lang.ada with an Anglophone thread by pretending that Anglophone newsgroup fr.comp.lang.ada is a "French-only speaking group".

Thre are two wrongs in your sentence. First, all fr.* is the francophone hierarchy, and second, I don't attempt to interfere.

So
cancelling things which are not connected with you on the basis of a
tongue

This is also wrong in more than one way. First, the cancellations are
not connected with me (some servers such as free.fr did hide excessive crossposts on all fr.*, years before I even learned of the existence of
a group about Ada). And as I already told you, these cancellations are
not on the basis of a tongue but on the basis of the excessive X-posts.

and your decision to switch from English to French on news.admin.net-abuse.usenet

... was unnecessary, but unrelated to the question I am pointing at.

[...] You have not clearly shown any interest about Ada to me.

Right but off-topic. Don't shoot the messenger.

You do not seem to be an Adaist.

Right but off-topic. Don't shoot the messenger.

You have not shown any interest about
fr.comp.lang.ada to me before this thread (please show me an article by
you yourself from fr.comp.lang.ada from before this thread).

Right but off-topic. Don't shoot the messenger.

You have
shown remarkable ignorance of or dishonesty about fr.comp.lang.ada.

You have shown ignorance about fr.*, but once again it is off-topic,
and I don't care about that. Don't shoot the messenger.

Which
is it? Are you a member of Ada-France? Do you consent to Ada-France divuluging all the data about you that it has to prove or disprove that
you are a Francophone Adaist? Will you show us a proof from an
Ada-compiler vendor that you bought an Ada compiler?

Off-topic.

You are right that I do not have any interest about Ada. Moreover I don't
care whether your articles are or are not cancelled on fr.comp.lang.ada.
I was only the messenger that was trying to warn you that your crossposts without followup-to can be cancelled for this reason (and not for the
reason of the tongue). If you are ok with that, then continue, for what
I'm concerned I simply don't care.

... EOT?

Yours sincerely.
Nicolas Paul Colin de Glocester

Best Regards.
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On Thu, 25 Jul 2024, Olivier Miakinen wrote:
"I was only the messenger that was trying to warn you that your crossposts without followup-to can be cancelled for this reason"

Salut Olivier !

Merci !

Sincères salutations.


Nicolas Paul Colin de Glocester

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Nicolas Paul Colin de Glocester avait �crit le 25/07/2024 :

On Thu, 25 Jul 2024, Olivier Miakinen wrote:
"I was only the messenger that was trying to warn you that your crossposts without followup-to can be cancelled for this reason"

This is wrong.
It is not only "the messanger", but also the man who produce
global cancel to your messages for excessive crossposting.

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Le 25/07/2024 19:11, Nicolas Paul Colin de Glocester a �crit :

Merci !

:-)

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On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 20:10:45 +0200, llp wrote:

This is wrong.
It is not only "the messanger", but also the man who produce global
cancel to your messages for excessive crossposting.

I've had enough of reading your cancel messages saga, you have carried
this on so long I could read War and Peace 15 times over. why do you not
do what MOST admins already do, *DISABLE* honoring cancellations on your servers, and problem be gone. I've yet to see a cancel affect transit
servers, evident by the fact my server has a lot of the messages people
are sulking about. If this doesnt end I will ensure that no messages from either of your networks enters this network, for users or transit.

Take your bullshit to email if you must, so long as the rest of us dont
have to see it.

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noel avait énoncé :

On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 20:10:45 +0200, llp wrote:

This is wrong.
It is not only "the messanger", but also the man who produce global
cancel to your messages for excessive crossposting.

I've had enough of reading your cancel messages saga (...)
why do you not do what MOST admins already do, *DISABLE* honoring cancellations on your servers, and problem be gone.

If you'd actually read my posts, you'd know that this person's cancels
have been banned for a long time.
And it's not the only server who do that.

(bullshit remove)

I think it would be useful to inform other server administrators
about abuse on the “fr” hierarchy. So those who don't know the
specifics of this hierarchy aren't taken advantage of.

I haven't seen you give your opinion on this:
v5hsms$3uadi$1@news.usenet.ovh>.
The opinion of another newsgroup server administrator would surely
be more constructive.

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On Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:07:05 +0200, llp wrote:

I've had enough of reading your cancel messages saga (...)
why do you not do what MOST admins already do, *DISABLE* honoring
cancellations on your servers, and problem be gone.

If you'd actually read my posts, you'd know that this person's cancels
have been banned for a long time.
And it's not the only server who do that.

and so how many fucking times do you need to tell people?? every second
day for a year? I'm sure anyone who needs to know is aware by now, if
not, its becasue they Like I, are sick of this shit and don't care.

I haven't seen you give your opinion on this:

No, and you wont, becasue I am not playing your little shitfight games.

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Le 28/07/2024 à 07:57, noel answered to somebody :

and so how many fucking times do you need to tell people?? every second
day for a year? I'm sure anyone who needs to know is aware by now, if
not, its because they Like I, are sick of this shit and don't care.

+1

I haven't seen you give your opinion on this:

No, and you wont, because I am not playing your little shitfight games.

Thank you for that. EOT.

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noel a formul� ce dimanche :

On Sat, 27 Jul 2024 23:07:05 +0200, llp wrote:

I haven't seen you give your opinion on this:

No, and you wont, becasue I am not playing your little shitfight games.

Getting the opinion of newsmasters on the repercussions for other
hierarchies of implementing (or not) certain rules from the 'fr'
hierarchy seemed interesting.
Unfortunately, you prefer pointless discussions.
That's your right. But without me.
Bye.

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On 24/07/24 21:36, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Why the hell would you post an article in an international newsgroup in
a language other than the language the reader expects to read? That's incredibly rude.

Je suis désolé d'avoir posté un article dans une langue que le
francophone ne s'attendait pas à lire. À l’avenir, je veillerai à
publier tous les articles en français, la langue que les francophones s’attendent à lire. Merci pour votre conseil.

More practically: Adam complains about frivolous things a lot. He is
worth killfiling, if you want to.

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On Wed, 31 Jul 2024 19:01:06 +0200, immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote:

On 24/07/24 21:36, Adam H. Kerman wrote:

Why the hell would you post an article in an international newsgroup in
a language other than the language the reader expects to read? That's
incredibly rude.

Je suis desole d'avoir poste un article dans une langue que le
francophone ne s'attendait pas a lire. A l'avenir, je veillerai a
publier tous les articles en francais, la langue que les francophones >s'attendent a lire. Merci pour votre conseil.

"I'm sorry to have posted an article in a language that the French-
speaking did not expect to read. In the future, I will take care to
publish all the articles in French, the language that Francophones
expect to read. Thank you for your advice."--(translate.google.com)

More practically: Adam complains about frivolous things a lot. He is
worth killfiling, if you want to.

usenet troll farm "regulars" have infiltrated and occupied every busy newsgroup since their charters began, engaged in relentless psychological warfare similar to the classic "tokyo rose" demoralization campaigns made popular during "world war ii" (all invincible beings have done the same thing since the superior cain murdered his inferior brother abel); these many holy men that live by the sword and lead into captivity are incapable of error, so anything they think, say and do is automatically perfect so there is never any need for discussion or dialog

Ikuko Toguri was born to Jun & Fumi Limuro-Toguri at the one-storey frame house (118W16:03,34N02:48) 947 Denver Ave, Los Angeles California Tuesday 4 July 1916 (AA/BC w/o time; "6:08am" Rising Star 4/1971); Whittington Market 11631 Wilming-
ton Ave(118W14:21,33N55:43; adjacent Iva Toguri 11630 Bandera Ave, 1940 census).

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immibis <news@immibis.com> wrote:

. . .

More practically: Adam complains about frivolous things a lot. He is
worth killfiling, if you want to.

Absolutely. As this sockpuppet hasn't yet figured out how to work the kill file, please ask for assistance. I'm here to give you the help you
really need.

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