• Best ways to get spamtrap eMail addresses into spammer lists?

    From Randolf Richardson =?UTF-8?B?5by15p@21:1/5 to All on Wed Nov 13 16:48:39 2024
    What are some of the most effective ways to get spamtrap eMail
    addresses into spammer eMail lists/databases? I'm okay with
    the eMail addresses being submitted one at a time, or as a
    list of multiple addresses, or by publishing them on web pages.

    Thanks.

    --
    Randolf Richardson 張文道, CNA - noc@inter-corporate.com
    Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
    Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
    https://www.inter-corporate.com/

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  • From tjoen@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 14 07:35:16 2024
    On 11/14/24 1:48 AM, Randolf Richardson 張文道 wrote:
    What are some of the most effective ways to get spamtrap eMail
    addresses into spammer eMail lists/databases? I'm okay with
    the eMail addresses being submitted one at a time, or as a
    list of multiple addresses, or by publishing them on web pages.

    By responding?

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 14 17:34:30 2024
    On 13.11.2024 um 16:48 Uhr Randolf Richardson 張文道 wrote:

    What are some of the most effective ways to get spamtrap eMail
    addresses into spammer eMail lists/databases? I'm okay with
    the eMail addresses being submitted one at a time, or as a
    list of multiple addresses, or by publishing them on web pages.

    Publishing it on webpages, mailing lists, archives etc. should do
    enough. Maybe use your own domains that have MX records to the
    spamtraps.
    I have some hope that they don't check MX records for every domain.

    --
    kind regards
    Marco

    Send spam to 1731512919muell@cartoonies.org

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  • From Randolf Richardson =?UTF-8?B?5by15p@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Thu Nov 14 10:14:40 2024
    On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 17:34:30 +0100
    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
    On 13.11.2024 um 16:48 Uhr Randolf Richardson 張文道 wrote:

    What are some of the most effective ways to get spamtrap eMail
    addresses into spammer eMail lists/databases? I'm okay with
    the eMail addresses being submitted one at a time, or as a
    list of multiple addresses, or by publishing them on web pages.

    Publishing it on webpages, mailing lists, archives etc. should do
    enough. Maybe use your own domains that have MX records to the
    spamtraps.

    I'm doing some of this already (mostly just including the eMail
    addresses on web pages in a way that they're not visible to users,
    so they don't accidentally send to them).

    I have some hope that they don't check MX records for every domain.

    I suspect you're correct because I've found that setting up a
    non-relaying SMTP daemon that accepts everything on an IP address
    with no MX records pointing to it (that I know of) usually does
    start receiving spam after some unpredictable period of time.

    It doesn't even need to be running a web server or anything else,
    although running an FTP daemon does seem to attract attention
    from what I assume are SSH-hacking bots.

    --
    Randolf Richardson 張文道, CNA - noc@inter-corporate.com
    Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
    Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
    https://www.inter-corporate.com/

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  • From Randolf Richardson =?UTF-8?B?5by15p@21:1/5 to tjoen on Thu Nov 14 10:16:03 2024
    On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 07:35:16 +0100
    tjoen <tjoen@dds.invalid> wrote:
    On 11/14/24 1:48 AM, Randolf Richardson 張文道 wrote:

    What are some of the most effective ways to get spamtrap eMail
    addresses into spammer eMail lists/databases? I'm okay with
    the eMail addresses being submitted one at a time, or as a
    list of multiple addresses, or by publishing them on web pages.

    By responding?

    Assuming, of course, that the sender has valid SPF and DKIM, that's
    something I hadn't considered. Thanks!

    --
    Randolf Richardson 張文道, CNA - noc@inter-corporate.com
    Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
    Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
    https://www.inter-corporate.com/

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  • From Marco Moock@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 14 19:20:56 2024
    On 14.11.2024 um 10:14 Uhr Randolf Richardson 張文道 wrote:

    On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 17:34:30 +0100
    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
    On 13.11.2024 um 16:48 Uhr Randolf Richardson 張文道 wrote:

    What are some of the most effective ways to get spamtrap eMail
    addresses into spammer eMail lists/databases? I'm okay with
    the eMail addresses being submitted one at a time, or as a
    list of multiple addresses, or by publishing them on web pages.

    Publishing it on webpages, mailing lists, archives etc. should do
    enough. Maybe use your own domains that have MX records to the
    spamtraps.

    I'm doing some of this already (mostly just including the eMail
    addresses on web pages in a way that they're not visible to users,
    so they don't accidentally send to them).

    I have some hope that they don't check MX records for every domain.


    I suspect you're correct because I've found that setting up a
    non-relaying SMTP daemon that accepts everything on an IP address
    with no MX records pointing to it (that I know of) usually does
    start receiving spam after some unpredictable period of time.

    I thought about checking the MX of a domain part for known spamtraps,
    like uceprotect etc.

    --
    kind regards
    Marco

    Send spam to 1731575680muell@cartoonies.org

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  • From Randolf Richardson =?UTF-8?B?5by15p@21:1/5 to Marco Moock on Mon Nov 18 07:38:32 2024
    On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 19:20:56 +0100
    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
    On 14.11.2024 um 10:14 Uhr Randolf Richardson 張文道 wrote:
    On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 17:34:30 +0100
    Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
    On 13.11.2024 um 16:48 Uhr Randolf Richardson 張文道 wrote:

    What are some of the most effective ways to get spamtrap eMail addresses into spammer eMail lists/databases? I'm okay with
    the eMail addresses being submitted one at a time, or as a
    list of multiple addresses, or by publishing them on web pages.

    Publishing it on webpages, mailing lists, archives etc. should do
    enough. Maybe use your own domains that have MX records to the
    spamtraps.

    I'm doing some of this already (mostly just including the eMail
    addresses on web pages in a way that they're not visible to users,
    so they don't accidentally send to them).

    I have some hope that they don't check MX records for every domain.

    I suspect you're correct because I've found that setting up a
    non-relaying SMTP daemon that accepts everything on an IP address
    with no MX records pointing to it (that I know of) usually does
    start receiving spam after some unpredictable period of time.

    I thought about checking the MX of a domain part for known spamtraps,
    like uceprotect etc.

    Publishing contact information in WHOIS records does result in
    large volumes of spam over time, and dozens of physical letters in
    the mail that promote various scams (a common one is tricky domain
    registrars that misleadingly disguise their offers to look like
    invoices). Many years ago we received hundreds of credit card
    applications from American Express, for which it was easy to
    determine that American Express had been scraping information from
    WHOIS records but not comparing mailing addresses (as long as the
    Registrant field differed), and every letter included within it a
    return envelope for the application complete with postage pre-paid
    (thanks to them for the 300+ free stamps, in effect).

    After registering new domain names, in addition to the above, we
    also receive no less than 10 telephone calls from scammers within
    the week, most of whom can't even pronounce the names properly (due
    to a lack of fluency in English, I assume). (To protect our
    clients, we publish our office contact information and only forward
    legitimate correspondence to them.)

    The MX records obviously don't provide the contact information that
    WHOIS records do, but these are different tactics that work in
    different ways. But even without any MX records the many port
    scanners that are running continuously in the wild eventually find
    an SMTP service running and, if being operated by spammers, start
    attempting to send eMail soon after.


    --
    Randolf Richardson 張文道, CNA - noc@inter-corporate.com
    Inter-Corporate Computer & Network Services, Inc.
    Beautiful British Columbia, Canada
    https://www.inter-corporate.com/

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