it receives. Since I have some time today, I have drawn some statistical >tables from the data collected in the last years.
1. Total flow of USENET articles
Graphs:
https://news.aioe.org/stats/articles-per-month.png >https://news.aioe.org/stats/size-per-month.png >https://news.aioe.org/stats/average-size-per-article.png
Data:
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Month Articles Size S/A >---------------------------------------
201801 516165 1528066657 2960.42
201802 569507 1641615365 2882.52
201803 603170 1779372952 2950.04
201804 563858 1696914554 3009.47
201805 574950 1786902973 3107.93
201806 549196 1747158730 3181.30
201807 540056 1725930685 3195.84
201808 545841 1874784212 3434.67
201809 529333 1760587497 3326.05
201810 546394 1774182470 3247.08
201811 523604 1708987648 3263.89
201812 500670 1730881612 3457.13
201901 519762 1816210166 3494.31
201902 459297 1650824080 3594.24
201903 498619 1745844892 3501.36
201904 475712 1608849607 3381.98
201905 473313 1602779692 3386.30
201906 450216 1518701994 3373.27
201907 467221 1489700085 3188.43
201908 459270 1456381112 3171.08
201909 444713 1417046743 3186.43
201910 474349 1470276828 3099.57
201911 445345 1406771280 3158.83
201912 451423 1466206181 3247.97
202001 463836 1485718196 3203.11
202002 433064 1389431282 3208.37
202003 516791 1676330813 3243.73
202004 544032 1748260929 3213.53
202005 506642 1627524368 3212.38
202006 476675 1578878719 3312.28
202007 469084 1543609844 3290.69
202008 442891 1595404693 3602.25
202009 422546 1376539187 3257.73
202010 448080 1429156143 3189.51
202011 425184 1429238456 3361.46
202012 421665 1418422474 3363.86
202101 456679 1511930929 3310.71
202102 390927 1349527556 3452.12
202103 439245 1406307119 3201.65
202104 395300 1425231060 3605.44
202105 389237 1391094233 3573.90
202106 341375 1208150478 3539.07
202107 383516 1413259877 3685.01
202108 413179 1588414592 3844.37
202109 388536 1478182789 3804.49
202110 398714 1660914517 4165.68
202111 391231 1580272681 4039.23
202112 396216 1625420477 4102.36
202201 439076 1730166197 3940.47
202202 391350 1606238315 4104.35
202203 392103 1538139348 3922.79
202204 366150 1394803833 3809.38
202205 365393 1431508582 3917.72
202206 329316 1331526913 4043.31
202207 348577 1404367608 4028.86
202208 342680 1357939885 3962.71
202209 335011 1353244646 4039.40
202210 137223 554745663 4042.66 >---------------------------------------
Does anyone know why the average size of messages has increased over the
past four years?
2. Articles per hieararchy
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Hier 2020 2021 2022
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alt 1678237 1564919 1301927
free 507317 520566 398799
rec 559160 501256 386500
it 594824 461850 316256
de 460373 391625 310669
uk 415699 316295 219907cd Docxu
fr 288114 304424 226141
soc 224013 206442 130071
sci 206463 183227 132215
linux 197562 174952 131515
comp 170513 158840 117025
talk 127844 156017 131994
pl 161475 125311 92602
nl 112816 94162 62869
Other 712458 656459 422741 >---------------------------------------
3. Articles per posting server (since 1/1/2022)
Graphs:
https://news.aioe.org/stats/articles-per-origin.png
Data:
------------------------------
Server Arts
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googlegroups.com 780005
eternal-september.org 562436
aioe.org 319034
highwinds-media.com 316969
individual.net 229141
nic.it 126302
xlned.com 121143
xsnews.nl 79924
giganews.com 74333
edu.pl 69433
neostrada.pl 60517
bofh.team 38125
free.fr 35501
abavia.com 34551
pasdenom.info 34346
solani.org 31792
freedyn.de 27445
usenetsys.com 27095
demos.su 25185
fcku.it 23006
Other 430596
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Since 2018 aioe.org has been collecting some statistics on the messages[...]
it receives. Since I have some time today, I have drawn some statistical tables from the data collected in the last years.
1. Total flow of USENET articles
Graphs:
https://news.aioe.org/stats/articles-per-month.png https://news.aioe.org/stats/size-per-month.png https://news.aioe.org/stats/average-size-per-article.png
Data:
---------------------------------------
Month Articles Size S/A
---------------------------------------
Does anyone know why the average size of messages has increased over the
past four years?
Does anyone know why the average size of messages has increased over the
past four years?
Since 2018 aioe.org has been collecting some statistics on the messages
it receives. Since I have some time today, I have drawn some statistical tables from the data collected in the last years.
1. Total flow of USENET articles
------------------------------
Server            Arts
------------------------------
googlegroups.com    780005
eternal-september.org   562436
aioe.org       319034
free.fr            35501
pasdenom.info        34346
I'm also curious if the reason fewer people use Usenet anymore is partly because it's hard to figure out how to access it.
I wonder if it's because the traffic volume is decreasing, so the spam
is a higher percentage? (since real articles are mostly short, but spam
is often pages)
Also interesting / sad to see the number of articles decline steadily
over that time-frame. People getting old and leaving? Competition from
other forums like Reddit? Groups slowly falling below some threshhold of >utility, so they lose users, who then reduce participation in other
groups in a downward spiral?
I'm also curious if the reason fewer people use Usenet anymore is partly >because it's hard to figure out how to access it. Not many places offer >connections, and it wasn't easy for me to find Aioe to connect (thanks
for the service btw!).
On a slight tangent: how much storage + bandwidth does running Aioe as
an open server consume? From your graphs it looks like <2GB/mo; does
that mean with a 4mo retention you only need 8GB of storage? How much
does being publicly accessible increase your bandwidth usage?
Samuel Christie <shcv@sdf.org> writes:
I'm also curious if the reason fewer people use Usenet anymore is partly
because it's hard to figure out how to access it.
I think one should assume that the reason why fewer people use Usenet is
the lack of moderation primarily.
There have been various attempts to build more sophisticated moderation systems on top of Usenet (like Reddit-style voting systems), but Usenet is kind of a poor platform for that stuff. It's way easier to build that
stuff into a web forum, which people are more used to these days anyway.
The other really obvious thing that Usenet doesn't have is a well-known mobile client.
...
But that's a "simple matter of programming" (well, except for
the fact that Usenet is mostly plain text, which is very difficult to
display well on mobile screens) that probably would have happened if it
were more popular.
Somewhat ironically perhaps, I think a major limitation for text Usenet
posts on mobile screens is that the hard line wrapping---intended to
make messages compatible with old narrow screens---is actually *too
wide* for mobile devices.
Doing a simple test with your message, I found my phone was indeed re-wrapping most of the lines. It may not be impossible to intelligently re-wrap lines though, similar to how emacs' "fill-paragraph" function
works.
. . .
format=flowed (RFC 2646) was intended to address this problem, but it
never caught on. I think my newsreader can generate it, but only with
some awkwardness in writing the message, which I have never bothered to
learn to live with.
This problem was "solved" in email by converting to HTML as the format for >email messages, which is now essentially universal in email except for us >grumpy old folks. Usenet is disproportionately grumpy old folks, so HTML >hasn't caught on here (and a lot of the older newsreaders don't support >generating it).
The standard isn't unreasonable. It's readily implmented with the root article in a thread. There is not a single newsreader that I've tried
that makes it convenient to make sure that quoted text flows.
Why does converting to HTML come with adding in non-printing characters?
The real problem is that kids today cannot be convinced that plain text
is written in a text editor in a terminal window or terminal emulation.
What smart phone makes it straight forward to get to the terminal
window?
free.fr            35501
pasdenom.info        34346
Soon the first French news server Stéphane :-)
Since 2018 aioe.org has been collecting some statistics on the messages
it receives. Since I have some time today, I have drawn some statistical tables from the data collected in the last years.
1. Total flow of USENET articles
Though the number of articles decreases, I hope the number of trolls also decreases and therefore the quality of discussions improves :-)
"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:
. . .
The real problem is that kids today cannot be convinced that plain text
is written in a text editor in a terminal window or terminal emulation. >>What smart phone makes it straight forward to get to the terminal
window?
There are ssh apps and whatnot for the major phones (the phone OS itself >usually doesn't have a console or shell per se and the sandbox structure >makes such a thing not very meaningful or useful), but as mentioned >elsethread the phone screen is a truly awful size and configuration for 80 >column text, which breaks a lot of assumptions about how most plain text
is written.
Does anyone know why the average size of messages has increased over the
past four years?
Russ Allbery <eagle@eyrie.org> wrote:
"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:
. . .
The real problem is that kids today cannot be convinced that plain text >>is written in a text editor in a terminal window or terminal emulation. >>What smart phone makes it straight forward to get to the terminal
window?
There are ssh apps and whatnot for the major phones (the phone OS itself >usually doesn't have a console or shell per se and the sandbox structure >makes such a thing not very meaningful or useful), but as mentioned >elsethread the phone screen is a truly awful size and configuration for 80 >column text, which breaks a lot of assumptions about how most plain text
is written.
Oh, they won't even use a terminal emulation if carrying around a laptop.
"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> writes:[...]
The real problem is that kids today cannot be convinced that plain text
is written in a text editor in a terminal window or terminal emulation. What smart phone makes it straight forward to get to the terminal
window?
There are ssh apps and whatnot for the major phones (the phone OS itself usually doesn't have a console or shell per se and the sandbox structure makes such a thing not very meaningful or useful), but as mentioned elsethread the phone screen is a truly awful size and configuration for 80 column text, which breaks a lot of assumptions about how most plain text
is written.
Julien ÉLIE a formulé la demande :
1. Total flow of USENET articles
Though the number of articles decreases, I hope the number of trolls also
decreases and therefore the quality of discussions improves :-)
do not forget that some robot has suppressed more than 4.000 posts, as well >as some unliked users...
Termux [1] is a Linux-like environment for Android, so one could build other 'console' newsreader, such as slrn and tin. (I'm using tin, but not
on a smartphone.).
Termux [1] is a Linux-like environment for Android, so one could build
other 'console' newsreader, such as slrn and tin. (I'm using tin, but not
on a smartphone.).
I use tin on termux on my Android smartphone, but through SSH, not
natively. I have also installed a Perl environment, and it works
How can I install tin on termux on an Android smartphone natively ?
This would be great.
Marc SCHAEFER a écrit le Sat, 15 Oct 2022 10:45:05 dans news.software.nntp :
Termux [1] is a Linux-like environment for Android, so one could build >> other 'console' newsreader, such as slrn and tin. (I'm using tin, but not >> on a smartphone.).
I use tin on termux on my Android smartphone, but through SSH, not natively. I have also installed a Perl environment, and it works
How can I install tin on termux on an Android smartphone natively ?
This would be great.
FYI/FWIW, a long time ago I build a standalone version of tin for
Windows, using a few Cygwin libraries, but not the rest of Cygwin. It
was no big deal, but I had software development (in C) experience on
(real) UNIX, so YMMV/YMWV.
It should now be straight-forward to use tin in Windows. With WSL 2
(Windows Subsystem for Linux), one can download a Linux distribution
from the Microsoft Store and just install the tin package available in
that installed distribution.
How can I install tin on termux on an Android smartphone natively ?
This would be great.
As I mentioned, a news.software.readers regular has built trn under
Termux, so it's probably best to ask/cross-post in/to that group, as he
can probably provide some general Termux build advice.
The tin maintainer Urs Janßen also follows/monitors that group.
As I and Marc said, you probably have to build - i.e. make, compile,
link, etc. - it yourself.
I don't have any experience with Termux nor Android CPU-architectures,
but my phone says "aarch64" - which is the 64-bit extension of the ARM architecture family (ARM64) [1] - and <http://tin.org/builds.html#Linux> lists aarch64-unknown-linux-gnu as one of the 'Known successful builds'.
So I think it should be rather straightforward to build tin under
Termux.
FYI/FWIW, a long time ago I build a standalone version of tin for
Windows, using a few Cygwin libraries, but not the rest of Cygwin. It
was no big deal, but I had software development (in C) experience on
(real) UNIX, so YMMV/YMWV.
Hi Frank,
FYI/FWIW, a long time ago I build a standalone version of tin for
Windows, using a few Cygwin libraries, but not the rest of Cygwin. It
was no big deal, but I had software development (in C) experience on
(real) UNIX, so YMMV/YMWV.
It should now be straight-forward to use tin in Windows. With WSL 2
(Windows Subsystem for Linux), one can download a Linux distribution
from the Microsoft Store and just install the tin package available in
that installed distribution.
apt-get install tin inn2
and you'll normally have a fresh installation of tin and INN on Windows without any difficulty. Then begins the configuration :-)
Hi Julien,
Julien ÉLIE a écrit :
free.fr            35501
pasdenom.info        34346
Soon the first French news server Stéphane :-)
I'm very surprised!
Maybe it's an effect of the nemo* gateway?
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 546 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 42:26:27 |
| Calls: | 10,392 |
| Files: | 14,064 |
| Messages: | 6,417,214 |
