• Re: Injecting blocked cleanfeed articles into the newsfeed

    From Adam H. Kerman@21:1/5 to Nigel Reed on Tue May 20 17:58:51 2025
    Nigel Reed <sysop@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:

    I noticed I have 6gb of blocked articles in my emp.phn logfile so I
    thought I would investigate.

    It appears that groups that are moderated got a lot of messages blocked
    since it seems the mod approves them in batches.

    One thing I've not see is how to inject messages back into the newsfeed >either from a single file of articles or a number of separate files.

    I'm sure I'm not the only one to have come across this and wonder how
    other admins have solved the issue.

    I'm not pretending to be a News administrator here, but it's my
    understanding that the tradition is to allow the moderator to perform
    spam countermeasures, and that Cleanfeed should be bypassed.

    Only if there is some sort of attack on the moderated newsgroup in
    question should the issue be handled locally, by temporarily rejecting
    all messages till the attack is dealt with.

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  • From Nigel Reed@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 20 12:43:47 2025
    Hi team,

    I noticed I have 6gb of blocked articles in my emp.phn logfile so I
    thought I would investigate.

    It appears that groups that are moderated got a lot of messages blocked
    since it seems the mod approves them in batches.

    One thing I've not see is how to inject messages back into the newsfeed
    either from a single file of articles or a number of separate files.

    I'm sure I'm not the only one to have come across this and wonder how
    other admins have solved the issue.

    Thanks,

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  • From Nigel Reed@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Tue May 20 13:27:22 2025
    On Tue, 20 May 2025 17:58:51 -0000 (UTC)
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Nigel Reed <sysop@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:

    I noticed I have 6gb of blocked articles in my emp.phn logfile so I
    thought I would investigate.

    It appears that groups that are moderated got a lot of messages
    blocked since it seems the mod approves them in batches.

    One thing I've not see is how to inject messages back into the
    newsfeed either from a single file of articles or a number of
    separate files.

    I'm sure I'm not the only one to have come across this and wonder how
    other admins have solved the issue.

    I'm not pretending to be a News administrator here, but it's my
    understanding that the tradition is to allow the moderator to perform
    spam countermeasures, and that Cleanfeed should be bypassed.

    Only if there is some sort of attack on the moderated newsgroup in
    question should the issue be handled locally, by temporarily rejecting
    all messages till the attack is dealt with.

    Thanks but it doesn't answer my question. I never mentioned there was
    an attack on a moderated group, or any other group for that matter.


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  • From Nigel Reed@21:1/5 to Adam H. Kerman on Tue May 20 16:23:20 2025
    On Tue, 20 May 2025 17:58:51 -0000 (UTC)
    "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

    Nigel Reed <sysop@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:

    I noticed I have 6gb of blocked articles in my emp.phn logfile so I
    thought I would investigate.

    It appears that groups that are moderated got a lot of messages
    blocked since it seems the mod approves them in batches.

    One thing I've not see is how to inject messages back into the
    newsfeed either from a single file of articles or a number of
    separate files.

    I'm sure I'm not the only one to have come across this and wonder how
    other admins have solved the issue.

    I'm not pretending to be a News administrator here, but it's my
    understanding that the tradition is to allow the moderator to perform
    spam countermeasures, and that Cleanfeed should be bypassed.

    Only if there is some sort of attack on the moderated newsgroup in
    question should the issue be handled locally, by temporarily rejecting
    all messages till the attack is dealt with.

    Maybe I missed the intent of your original message. The issue is the
    group in question isn't in the default exclude list. I can add it
    easily enough and, as you say, let the moderator deal with it. That
    still doesn't answer the base question though.

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  • From Thomas Hochstein@21:1/5 to Nigel Reed on Wed May 21 22:11:45 2025
    Nigel Reed wrote:

    One thing I've not see is how to inject messages back into the newsfeed either from a single file of articles or a number of separate files.

    That won't work without modifying history (or waiting for the history
    entries to expire and temporarily setting artcutoff high enough that the messages are not rejected as "too old").

    -thh

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  • From Nigel Reed@21:1/5 to Thomas Hochstein on Wed May 21 17:21:04 2025
    On Wed, 21 May 2025 22:11:45 +0200
    Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> wrote:

    Nigel Reed wrote:

    One thing I've not see is how to inject messages back into the
    newsfeed either from a single file of articles or a number of
    separate files.

    That won't work without modifying history (or waiting for the history
    entries to expire and temporarily setting artcutoff high enough that
    the messages are not rejected as "too old").

    -thh

    Apart from the some text and test groups, I do not expire articles.
    artcutoff is 0. Again, Nobody seems to be able to answer the question
    of how do I inject the articles back into the newsfeed.



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  • From Jesse Rehmer@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 22 01:04:16 2025
    On May 21, 2025 at 5:21:04 PM CDT, "Nigel Reed" <sysop@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 22:11:45 +0200
    Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> wrote:

    Nigel Reed wrote:

    One thing I've not see is how to inject messages back into the
    newsfeed either from a single file of articles or a number of
    separate files.

    That won't work without modifying history (or waiting for the history
    entries to expire and temporarily setting artcutoff high enough that
    the messages are not rejected as "too old").

    -thh

    Apart from the some text and test groups, I do not expire articles.
    artcutoff is 0. Again, Nobody seems to be able to answer the question
    of how do I inject the articles back into the newsfeed.

    The easiest tool to work with, in my opinion, is rnews. It is included with INN. From the manpage:

    rnews injects either individual articles or UUCP-style article batches
    into a local or remote news server. It submits articles via IHAVE and
    is suitable for injecting articles received from other sources; local
    postings should generally use inews(1) instead. It is also used to
    process spooled messages created by, for example, nnrpd while innd is
    not available.

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  • From Nigel Reed@21:1/5 to Jesse Rehmer on Wed May 21 23:23:42 2025
    On Thu, 22 May 2025 01:04:16 -0000 (UTC)
    Jesse Rehmer <jesse.rehmer@blueworldhosting.com> wrote:

    On May 21, 2025 at 5:21:04 PM CDT, "Nigel Reed"
    <sysop@endofthelinebbs.com> wrote:

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 22:11:45 +0200
    Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> wrote:

    Nigel Reed wrote:

    One thing I've not see is how to inject messages back into the
    newsfeed either from a single file of articles or a number of
    separate files.

    That won't work without modifying history (or waiting for the
    history entries to expire and temporarily setting artcutoff high
    enough that the messages are not rejected as "too old").

    -thh

    Apart from the some text and test groups, I do not expire articles. artcutoff is 0. Again, Nobody seems to be able to answer the
    question of how do I inject the articles back into the newsfeed.

    The easiest tool to work with, in my opinion, is rnews. It is
    included with INN. From the manpage:

    rnews injects either individual articles or UUCP-style article
    batches into a local or remote news server. It submits articles via
    IHAVE and is suitable for injecting articles received from other
    sources; local postings should generally use inews(1) instead. It is
    also used to process spooled messages created by, for example, nnrpd
    while innd is not available.

    Thank you. That gives me a good starting point. I'll look into it.

    Thanks,
    Nigel


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  • From Thomas Hochstein@21:1/5 to Nigel Reed on Thu May 22 23:01:27 2025
    Nigel Reed wrote:

    Again, Nobody seems to be able to answer the question
    of how do I inject the articles back into the newsfeed.

    With rnews, of course, but that's not the problematic part.

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  • From Ray Banana@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 23 06:56:31 2025
    Thus spake Nigel Reed <sysop@endofthelinebbs.com>

    On Wed, 21 May 2025 22:11:45 +0200
    Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> wrote:
    Nigel Reed wrote:
    One thing I've not see is how to inject messages back into the
    newsfeed either from a single file of articles or a number of
    separate files.
    That won't work without modifying history (or waiting for the history
    entries to expire and temporarily setting artcutoff high enough that
    the messages are not rejected as "too old").
    Apart from the some text and test groups, I do not expire articles.
    artcutoff is 0. Again, Nobody seems to be able to answer the question
    of how do I inject the articles back into the newsfeed.

    1. Make sure Cleanfeed will not reject the articles again.

    2. Remove the already rejected articles from your history database,
    otherwise INN will reject the articles as duplicates.

    3. Rewrite your batch file so rnews will be able to process it.
    (see man rnews for a description of the batch input format.

    4. Move the modified batch file to INN's incoming directory and run
    rnews -U.

    5. Check news log for errors.

    6. Repeat when neccessary


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