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  • Dialog global variables "ShortTimeFormat" & "LongTimeFormat" & TZ based

    From bill@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 15 06:43:57 2021
    Dialog: Help > Help Contents > Reference > Date-Time Format Strings
    talks about global variables but I can't find _where_ they are defined!

    Some of the global variables are obvious as to what they must be:
    ShortDayNames global variable
    LongDayNames global variable

    ShortMonthNames global variable
    LongMonthNames global variable

    TimeAMString global variable
    TimePMString global variable

    DateSeparator global variable
    TimeSeparator global variable

    But others I'm not so sure what the global variable is set to:
    ShortDateFormat global variable
    LongDateFormat global variable

    ShortTimeFormat global variable
    LongTimeFormat global variable

    So how do you know what they are (and how would I change them)?

    (I'm having problems getting the date & timezone offset the way I like.)
    On 2021-05-14 01:02:03 +0400, foo bar wrote:

    If I set Dialog attribution "followup" & "date format" to this:
    On %date%, %full-name% wrote:\n
    yyyy"-"mm"-"dd hh:nn:ss
    I get this which is close to what I want but where's the tz offset?
    On 2021-05-14 01:02:03, foo bar wrote:

    All I want is to figure out how to add the timezone offset.
    (and is that tz offset the offset from the "Date" or "Injection-Date"?)
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  • From bill@21:1/5 to bill on Sat May 15 07:17:34 2021
    On Sat, 15 May 2021 06:43:57 +0200, bill wrote:

    (I'm having problems getting the date & timezone offset the way I like.)
    On 2021-05-14 01:02:03 +0400, foo bar wrote:

    I figured out how to know what the ShortDateFormat is set to by using
    ddddd
    Which shows in the attribution a ShortDateFormat of
    On 5/14/2021, foo bar wrote:

    Adding one more "d" character seems to identify the LongDateFormat
    dddddd
    Which shows in the attribution a LongDateFormat of
    On Friday, May 14, 2021, foo bar wrote:

    Likewise the character "t" seems to identify the ShortTimeFormat variable
    t
    Which shows in the attribution a ShortTimeFormat of
    On 1:02 AM, foo bar wrote:

    Adding one more "t" character seems to identify the LongTimeFormat
    tt
    Which shows in the attribution a LongTimeFormat of
    On 1:02:03 AM, foo bar wrote:

    None of which added the time zone offset which was what I am looking for.
    On 2021-05-14 01:02:03 +0400, foo bar wrote:

    So that global variable wasn't the secret to adding the tz offset.

    Of course I can use "idt" (or |idt|) to add a timezone offset
    |idt|
    Which shows in the attribution an offset but with a different date format
    On Fri, 14 May 2021 01:03:03 +0400, foo bar wrote:
    From the date format that I want, which is
    On 2021-05-14 01:02:03 +0400, foo bar wrote:

    Do you know how to add the timezone offset to the attribution?
    On 2021-05-14 01:02:03 +0400, foo bar wrote:
    And will that offset be based on the Date: or the Injected-Date: header?
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  • From Bernd Rose@21:1/5 to bill on Sat May 15 08:00:34 2021
    On Sat, 15th May 2021 07:17:34 +0200, bill wrote:

    On Sat, 15 May 2021 06:43:57 +0200, bill wrote:

    (I'm having problems getting the date & timezone offset the way I like.)
    On 2021-05-14 01:02:03 +0400, foo bar wrote:
    [...]
    Of course I can use "idt" (or |idt|) to add a timezone offset
    |idt|
    Which shows in the attribution an offset but with a different date format
    On Fri, 14 May 2021 01:03:03 +0400, foo bar wrote:
    From the date format that I want, which is
    On 2021-05-14 01:02:03 +0400, foo bar wrote:

    Do you know how to add the timezone offset to the attribution?
    On 2021-05-14 01:02:03 +0400, foo bar wrote:
    And will that offset be based on the Date: or the Injected-Date: header?

    The idt format is the only one supporting timezone offset. It obviously
    has a special handler attached in the 40tude Dialog source code. All other formats follow the standard Delphi FormatDateTime function:

    www.delphibasics.co.uk/RTL.asp?Name=FormatDateTime

    What you have in mind can, IMHO, not be done with the "Attribution lines" date/time format settings.

    Bernd

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  • From bill@21:1/5 to Bernd Rose on Sat May 15 08:55:14 2021
    On Sat, 15 May 2021 08:00:34 +0200, Bernd Rose wrote:

    The idt format is the only one supporting timezone offset. It obviously
    has a special handler attached in the 40tude Dialog source code.

    That explains what I was seeing. Thanks.
    No wonder I wasn't able to get it the way I had wanted it to be.

    BTW, the help lists "idt" but by default I see "|idt|" in the "Date Format"
    but when I test it out, they do the same thing (with or without the pipes).

    Any idea why Dialog defaults to surrounding "Date Format" idt with pipes?

    All other formats follow the standard Delphi FormatDateTime function:
    www.delphibasics.co.uk/RTL.asp?Name=FormatDateTime

    Wow. That's nice.
    It explains what every variable turns out to be!

    DateSeparator = /
    TimeSeparator = :
    ShortDateFormat = dd/mm/yyyy
    LongDateFormat = dd mmm yyyy
    TimeAMString = AM
    TimePMString = PM
    ShortTimeFormat = hh:mm
    LongTimeFormat = hh:mm:ss
    ShortMonthNames = Jan Feb ...
    LongMonthNames = January, February ...
    ShortDayNames = Sun, Mon ...
    LongDayNames = Sunday, Monday ...
    TwoDigitYearCenturyWindow = 50 http://www.delphibasics.co.uk/RTL.asp?Name=FormatDateTime

    What you have in mind can, IMHO, not be done with the "Attribution lines" date/time format settings.

    Well. That's it then. I'll leave it the way it is.
    Thanks!
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