• (Dialog) Why reverse select faster than forward select

    From Lars Anders@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 25 03:22:11 2022
    When select long list on Dialog message body why reverse select many lines
    for to remove many slower long time than forward select?

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  • From Bernd Rose@21:1/5 to Lars Anders on Fri Mar 25 07:01:12 2022
    On Fri, 25th Mar 2022 03:22:11 +0100, Lars Anders wrote:

    When select long list on Dialog message body why reverse select many lines for to remove many slower long time than forward select?

    I must admit, I don't understand your question. You and me /both/ not being native English speakers doesn't help, here. ;-)

    Please explain step by step, what works fast. And afterwards, what you did change (also step by step), that results in Dialog slowing down.

    # Are you talking about selecting several messages in the header list pane?
    # Do you select with keyboard commands or by mouse?
    # ...?

    Bernd

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Lars Anders on Fri Mar 25 10:28:12 2022
    Lars Anders wrote:

    When select long list on Dialog message body why reverse select many
    lines for to remove many slower long time than forward select?

    The content selected is at the same rate as however you do the select
    which you did not mention. If I click and drag whether up or down, the selected content is highlighted as fast as I drag the mouse cursor. If
    I select an insert point in a message, press and hold Shift, and use the
    up or down arrow keys to select content, the content is selected as fast
    as I hit the arrow keys. If highlighting were slow than the movement of
    the mouse or arrow keys, selection would be difficult, because
    highlighting would lag what you selected.

    If you are using the mouse to select while dragging the mouse, and the
    content is longer than the visible area within a pane, the content will
    scroll. Dialog has no control over the mouse's scrolling speed. You
    configure mouse scroll speed in the mouse applet in whatever OS you are
    using.

    This is for selecting text content. I don't visit newsgroups where HTML formatted posts are allowed. I hope Dialog does not permit running
    scripts in HTML content; else, who knows what those scripts are doing,
    and they could affect selecting content, could block the mouse from
    selecting content, or block copying the selected text. With HTML
    formatted posts, switch to Raw message view. All HTML is text, but it
    can get rendered using the coding within. Raw mode doesn't render, and
    shows HTML as text. Dialog was abandoned 20 years ago, so its HTML
    renderer won't have all the support for fancy web pages used today.

    Got a MID for an article where you see content selection is slower in
    reverse than forward? How are you selecting the content?

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  • From Bernd Rose@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Fri Mar 25 18:58:23 2022
    On Fri, 25th Mar 2022 10:28:12 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

    I hope Dialog does not permit running scripts in HTML content

    It doesn't.

    Bernd

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  • From Lars Anders@21:1/5 to Bernd Rose on Fri Mar 25 21:46:11 2022
    On 25 Mar 2022, Bernd Rose <b.rose.tmpbox@arcor.de> wrote :

    I must admit, I don't understand your question.

    On 25 Mar 2022, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote :

    The content selected is at the same rate as however you do the select
    which you did not mention.

    I try start again better! :0)

    Here is random test we can three of us use same for consistent. https://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_ITV_journalists_and_newsreaders

    SIMPLE TESTING:
    1. Copy & paste above long list A-Z into Dialog message body below
    2. In long message body left mouse select and scroll to sweep select UP
    3. In long message body left mouse select and scroll to sweep select DOWN

    The difference in scroll time is 100 times much more slow on DOWN than UP!
    Very very noticing every time.
    No exception.

    Why?
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    A
    Christa Ackroyd - presenter on Calendar during the 1990s; she left to join
    the BBC's Look North.
    Kaye Adams - journalist on Central Television; later presenter on Scottish
    TV.
    Jonathan Aitken - presenter on Yorkshire Television's Calendar from 1968
    until 1970: he was the first person to be seen on screen when the station launched. He later participated in the relaunch of TV-am in 1983, but he is best known as a Conservative politician, originally for Thanet from 1974 and later for South Thanet.
    Antoine Allen - presenter for Good Morning Britain London bulletin, TV
    reporter on ITV London
    Sameena Ali-Khan - presenter on ITV Central; presented the ITV Weekend News
    on occasions in 2006
    Eamonn Andrews - main presenter of Thames Television's 'Today' programme
    during the 1960s and 1970s. He was also a sports presenter and commentator,
    and was the first-ever presenter of ITV's 'World of Sport', but he was best known as the host of This Is Your Life, Crackerjack and What's My Line? He
    died in 1987.
    Jo Andrews - former political correspondent and Deputy Political Editor at
    ITN
    Fiona Armstrong - presenter for Border Television's regional news programme Lookaround; later a newscaster on ITN's News at Ten
    Pamela Armstrong - ITN newscaster, 1983-1986.
    Toni Arthur - occasional presenter on TV-am during the 1980s. She is best
    known as a presenter on the BBC children's series Playschool and Play Away during the 1970s.
    Mark Austin - former main presenter of ITV Evening News and ITV News at Ten; since joining ITN (on ITV) in 1986, having previously worked on BBC news programmes; has specialised in a variety of roles including sports reporter, foreign correspondent, and then newscaster for Channel 4 News
    Lisa Aziz - former co-presenter for ITV Westcountry and news presenter on
    TV-am
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    Zeinab Badawi - first presenter of the ITV News at 5:30 and co-presented Channel 4 News for several years, before joining BBC News
    Llewella Bailey
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  • From Lars Anders@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Fri Mar 25 21:42:44 2022
    On 25 Mar 2022, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote :

    The content selected is at the same rate as however you do the select
    which you did not mention.

    I try start again better! :0)

    Here is random test we can three of us use same for consistent. https://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_ITV_journalists_and_newsreaders

    SIMPLE TESTING:
    1. Copy & paste above long list A-Z into Dialog message body below
    2. In long message body left mouse select and scroll to sweep select UP
    3. In long message body left mouse select and scroll to sweep select DOWN

    The difference in scroll time is 100 times much more slow on DOWN than UP!
    Very very noticing every time.
    No exception.

    Why?
    --
    A
    Christa Ackroyd - presenter on Calendar during the 1990s; she left to join
    the BBC's Look North.
    Kaye Adams - journalist on Central Television; later presenter on Scottish
    TV.
    Jonathan Aitken - presenter on Yorkshire Television's Calendar from 1968
    until 1970: he was the first person to be seen on screen when the station launched. He later participated in the relaunch of TV-am in 1983, but he is best known as a Conservative politician, originally for Thanet from 1974 and later for South Thanet.
    Antoine Allen - presenter for Good Morning Britain London bulletin, TV
    reporter on ITV London
    Sameena Ali-Khan - presenter on ITV Central; presented the ITV Weekend News
    on occasions in 2006
    Eamonn Andrews - main presenter of Thames Television's 'Today' programme
    during the 1960s and 1970s. He was also a sports presenter and commentator,
    and was the first-ever presenter of ITV's 'World of Sport', but he was best known as the host of This Is Your Life, Crackerjack and What's My Line? He
    died in 1987.
    Jo Andrews - former political correspondent and Deputy Political Editor at
    ITN
    Fiona Armstrong - presenter for Border Television's regional news programme Lookaround; later a newscaster on ITN's News at Ten
    Pamela Armstrong - ITN newscaster, 1983-1986.
    Toni Arthur - occasional presenter on TV-am during the 1980s. She is best
    known as a presenter on the BBC children's series Playschool and Play Away during the 1970s.
    Mark Austin - former main presenter of ITV Evening News and ITV News at Ten; since joining ITN (on ITV) in 1986, having previously worked on BBC news programmes; has specialised in a variety of roles including sports reporter, foreign correspondent, and then newscaster for Channel 4 News
    Lisa Aziz - former co-presenter for ITV Westcountry and news presenter on
    TV-am
    B
    Zeinab Badawi - first presenter of the ITV News at 5:30 and co-presented Channel 4 News for several years, before joining BBC News
    Llewella Bailey
    Faye Barker - main newscaster for ITV News London at 5:30, January 2009 - December 2012; continues to work with ITN across ITV London and ITV News
    output
    Carol Barnes - worked for ITN, 1975-2004, as both reporter and newscaster;
    died in March 2008
    Gaynor Barnes - presenter and journalist employed by ITV Yorkshire since
    1991
    Felicity Barr - first female sports correspondent for ITV News in 2001
    Martin Bashir - left BBC in 1999 to join ITV, working on special documentary programmes and features for Tonight. He rejoined the BBC in 2016 as their Religious Affairs Correspondent.
    Seán Batty - meteorologist, currently working for STV
    Andrea Benfield - journalist and presenter, ITV News: Wales at Six
    Alex Beresford - weather presenter and journalist on ITV Breakfast programme Daybreak and later on Good Morning Britain
    Sangeeta Bhabra - journalist and presenter, ITV Meridian
    Sally Biddulph - reporter and newsreader at ITV News Central and political correspondent for Thames Valley Tonight in Westminster; joined ITN in 2009
    as news correspondent, political correspondent and presenter on ITV News at 5:30, ITV News at 1:30 and ITV News Saturday prime-time bulletins;
    newsreader for ITV News London since 2014.
    David Bobin - sports presenter and reporter for Westward Television, TVS and Meridian Television. He was also a main anchor on TVS's Coast To Coast. He
    died in 2017.
    Reginald Bosanquet - best known for presenting ITN bulletins in the 1970s; joined ITN at its start in 1955 as a sub-editor; later reported from many
    parts of the world and was the diplomatic correspondent for four years; held the 'head anchor' title at ITN between 1974 and 1976, in the absence of Alastair Burnet; died in 1984; son of the cricketer Bernard Bosanquet, who famously invented the 'googly'.
    Adam Boulton - political editor for TV-am during the 1980s. He later joined
    Sky News
    Tom Bradby - ITV News' political editor, July 2005 - October 2015; joined
    ITN as an editorial trainee in 1990 and subsequently became producer for Michael Brunson, ITN's political editor, in 1992; Ireland correspondent 1993-1996; Asia correspondent 1999-2001; then Royal correspondent for ITV
    News; subsequently became UK editor before taking up the post of political editor; gave up his position as political editor in October 2015 to become
    sole anchor of ITV News at Ten
    Colin Brazier - reporter on ITV
    Fern Britton - television presenter, former co-anchor of the Southampton edition of TVS local news programme Coast To Coast, best known as
    co-presenter for ITV magazine programme This Morning, 1999-2009
    Antony Brown (born 1922) - newsreader in the 1950s and 1960s. Announced the assassination of President Kennedy. Co-author of historical fiction with
    Norman MacKenzie under the joint pseudonym 'Anthony Forrest'. He died in
    2001. He was the father of the BBC News presenter Ben Brown.[1][2]
    Michael Brunson - Washington correspondent and diplomatic editor of ITN;
    best known for serving as the political editor between 1986 and 2000 and as
    an occasional ITN newscaster..
    Lynda Bryans - weekend newscaster on UTV Live, 2001-2005
    Kay Burley - newsreader, reporter and occasional main presenter on TV-am
    from 1985 until 1988. She left to join the then-fledgling Sky News.
    Sir Alastair Burnet - main presenter of News at Ten and ITN election
    programmes from the early 1960s until his retirement in 1991; held the 'head anchor' title at ITN from 1967 (the year News at Ten was launched) until
    1991, except between 1972 and 1976 when he presented for the BBC and became editor of the Daily Express; knighted as a Knight Bachelor in early 1984;
    died in July 2012.
    Gordon Burns - joined Ulster Television in his native Belfast in 1967 as a sports presenter, later presenting the station's flagship programme UTV Reports. He then moved to Granada Television, where he presented Granada Reports and also worked on World In Action in the 1970s, but he is best
    known as the long-serving host of Granada's prestigious quiz The Krypton
    Factor from 1977 until 1995. He joined BBC North West in 1997, becoming the main anchor on North West Tonight until his retirement in 2011.
    Andrea Byrne
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    Andrea Catherwood - former main presenter for ITV's weekend news bulletins; joined ITN in April 1998, starting as a newscaster and senior reporter; in these early years, she also presented the ITN Morning News and filed special reports for News at Ten; became medical correspondent; left ITN in September 2006 to front the short-lived political programme The Sunday Edition
    David Chater - award-winning former ITN international correspondent; joined
    Sky News in 1993
    Christopher Chataway
    Ros Childs
    Paul Clark - UTV Live presenter
    Paul Coia - first-ever continuity announcer on Channel 4 in 1982. He had previously been a continuity announcer for Scottish Television, and has
    since presented a number of TV and radio programmes, including the BBC's
    Pebble Mill At One and Catchword. He is married to fellow-broadcaster Debbie Greenwood.
    Stephen Cole - reporter for Central Television, Anglia Television's About Anglia and ITN
    Brian Connell - ITN newscaster during the late 1950s and early 1960s. He
    died in 1999.
    Dominic Cotton
    Bob Crampton - long-serving presenter and weather forecaster on ITV1 West, formerly HTV West, from 1983 until his retirement in 2018
    Sarah Cullen - former ITN Home Affairs correspondent
    D
    Anne Dawson
    Robin Day - worked for ITN from 1955, the first British journalist to
    interview Egypt's President Nasser after the Suez Crisis. Later moved to the BBC. He died in 2000.
    Jamie Delargy
    Katie Derham - former media/arts editor and newscaster for ITV News;
    presented the ITV Lunchtime News and London Tonight, both produced by ITN; relief presenter for the ITV Evening News and ITV News at Ten; left ITN in
    June 2010
    Anne Diamond - hosted Good Morning Britain for TV-am, which lost its license
    in 1992; began her television career starting with ATV Today and Central
    News
    Fred Dinenage - television host and newsreader, based in the south of
    England; has appeared as presenter of many British television programmes, including World of Sport, and quiz shows, such as Tell The Truth, Gambit and Pass The Buck, and the children's series How. Most of these were produced by Southern Television and its successors TVS and Meridian Broadcasting;
    however, Dinenage has also worked for the BBC on occasions. He was a
    presenter on ITV Meridian between 1983 and 2021.
    Steve Dixon
    Stephen Douglas
    Murray Dron
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    Sara Edwards
    Tom Edwards (broadcaster) - presenter and announcer on Thames Television
    during the 1980s. He was also an announcer on HTV West and ATV during this period.
    Julie Etchingham - co-presenter of ITV News at Ten from January 2008
    Sherrie Eugene - regular presenter and sign language interpreter on HTV News West, and later The West Tonight, 1982-2001
    F
    Peter Fairley - science editor for Independent Television News and TV Times magazine in the late 1960s and early 1970s. He died in 1998.
    Mimi Fawaz - former presenter and producer at ITV News
    Judy Finnigan - originally a researcher at Granada Television from 1971, she joined Anglia Television in 1974 as its first female reporter. She returned
    to Granada in 1980 as a reporter and presenter on Granada Reports. She is
    best known for presenting This Morning from its inception in 1988 until
    2001, then Richard and Judy on Channel 4 from 2001 until 2008, both of these alongside her husband, Richard Madeley.
    Anna Ford - initially worked as a researcher, news reporter and later newsreader at Granada Television; became a newsreader with ITN, and later helped launch ITV's first breakfast television service, TV-am
    Fiona Foster
    Matt Frei - Europe editor for Channel 4 News
    David Frost - one of the original presenters of TV-am on its launch in 1983.
    He then presented 'Frost on Sunday' until 1992, before moving to the BBC to present Breakfast with Frost, which ran from 1993 until 2005. He died in
    2013.
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    Steve Gaisford
    Sandy Gall - former ITN foreign correspondent and news presenter
    Andrew Gardner - presented the first News at Ten with Alastair Burnet in
    1967; following his retirement from ITN, he worked on Thames Television
    during the 1980s; died in 1999
    Kate Garraway - currently presents Good Morning Britain; previously Daybreak and GMTV
    Neil Garrett
    Martin Geissler - Africa correspondent for ITV News since May 2006; joined
    ITV News in April 2002 from STV Central's regional news programme Scotland Today, where he was a news reporter and presenter.
    Shiulie Ghosh - senior correspondent, Home Affairs Editor and presenter for
    ITV News, 1998-2006.
    Elinor Goodman - long-serving reporter for Channel 4 News. She joined the programme as a political correspondent on its inception in 1982, later
    becoming the programme's Political Editor, a role she held from 1988 until 2005. She also occasionally reported for ITN.
    Bob Greaves - long-serving presenter, reporter and producer for Granada Television. He originally joined the company in 1964 as a reporter on
    'Scene', then as the main anchor for 'Newscene' and Granada Reports until
    his retirement in 1999. He died in 2011.
    Mary Green
    Anne Gregg - reporter and presenter on Ulster Television's Roundabout; also worked for Anglia Television; later co-presented the BBC's Holiday programme during the 1980s; died in 2006
    Bill Grundy
    Krishnan Guru-Murthy - presenter for Channel 4 News and new presenter for
    ITV News for 2016
    H
    Simon Hall
    Will Hanrahan - presenter of Serve You Right for Meridian TV
    Gerry Harrison - in 1985 took over as Head of Sport at Anglia TV; left in
    1993
    Andrew Harvey - presenter on the ITN News Channel with Lucy Alexander; moved
    on to his own programme after breakfast, Live with Andrew Harvey
    Julian Haviland - ITN political editor, 1975-1981
    Barbara Blake Hannah - Barbara Blake-Hannah is a Jamaican journalist, politician, author, film maker, festival organiser and cultural consultant Dominic Heale - former presenter of Central News East, later moved to the
    BBC to present East Midlands Today.
    Alistair Hignell - sports presenter and reporter on HTV News West during the 1990s.
    Gerald Hine-Haycock - known by his then-broadcasting name Gerald Haycock;
    left ITN in 1981, to report for and present HTV News at HTV West, followed
    by BBC Points West at BBC West
    Derek Hobson - ATV continuity announcer and presenter of ATV Today during
    the 1970s; hosted quizzes, such as New Faces, That's My Dog and Jeopardy! Alison Holloway - worked initially as an announcer for Westward Television before joining HTV West, where she worked as an announcer and main presenter
    on HTV News during the 1980s.
    Eamonn Holmes - presenter on Ulster Television's Good Evening Ulster, 1982-1986; presented GMTV, 1993-2005; hosted a number of quiz and game
    shows; currently a regular presenter on This Morning
    Gordon Honeycombe - newscaster at ITN, 1965-1977; twice voted the most
    popular newscaster in Britain, by readers of the Daily Mirror and of The
    Sun; returned to regular newsreading, 1984-1989, as chief newsreader at
    TV-am, becoming Britain's longest-serving ITV newscaster; died in 2015
    Nina Hossain - main newscaster on ITV Lunchtime News and ITV News London
    since 2010; regular relief newscaster on all main ITV News bulletins since
    2004
    Robin Houston - main newscaster of lunchtime and late Thames News bulletins, 1978-1992
    Gloria Hunniford - presenter on Ulster Television's Good Evening Ulster, 1979-1982; became a chat show host with her own Sunday Sunday, and a quiz
    show host and panellist; now presents Rip Off Britain for the BBC; mother of the late Caron Keating, a presenter on Blue Peter and This Morning
    Alex Hyndman - freelance newscaster and reporter on ITV News London and ITV News weekend bulletins
    I
    John Irvine - ITN's Washington correspondent; before joining ITN in 1994 as
    a Northern Ireland correspondent, worked for UTV News.
    Jayne Irving - worked on Good Morning Britain from 1983 until 1986,
    originally reading the news bulletins, then as a main anchor. She left to
    join the BBC, where she presented Open Air from 1986 until 1990.
    J
    Catherine Jacob - editorial trainee at ITN from September 2000; news
    presenter for Granada Reports and ITV News Tyne Tees in 2013
    Becky Jago - news presenter at ITV Anglia
    Peter Jay - main presenter of Weekend World from 1972-77, he then became the founding chairman of TV AM in 1983. He later joined the BBC.
    Sally Jones (journalist) - reporter for Westward Television, later becoming
    a main co-presenter on Central News during the early 1980s - she also
    reported for ITN during this period. She left to join BBC Breakfast in 1986
    and became a Real Tennis world champion in 1993 - she also won the British
    and US Open Championships
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    Natasha Kaplinsky - joined ITV to present ITN News in 2011
    Robert Kee - anchor for ITN's first lunchtime bulletin First Report,
    1972-1976. He was also one of the first presenters of TV-am in 1983. He died
    in 2013.
    Chris Kelly (TV presenter) - joined Anglia Television in 1963 as a
    continuity announcer - he later became a narrator and co-presenter on World
    In Action. He is best known as a presenter on Wish You Were Here...?
    alongside Judith Chalmers, on the BBC's Food and Drink and on the children's film review series Clapperboard.
    Lorraine Kelly - started as a reporter for Scottish Television; came to national attention by reporting on the Piper Alpha oil rig disaster in 1988. She has since presented Good Morning Britain, GMTV and Daybreak, and
    continues to host her own show Lorraine to this day.
    Martin Kelner
    Kenneth Kendall - presenter on Southern Television's flagship news programme 'Day By Day' from 1961 until 1969: he also occasionally worked for ITN
    during this period. He had originally worked for the BBC, having been their first-ever in-vision newsreader in 1955, and he returned there in 1969, continuing in the same role until his retirement in 1981. He later became
    the main presenter on the Channel 4 quiz Treasure Hunt and he also presented the BBC's Songs of Praise. He died in 2012.
    Ludovic Kennedy - newscaster and reporter during ITN's early years. He was knighted for his services to journalism in 1994. He died in 2009. He was married to the actress and dancer Moira Shearer.
    Richard Keys - presenter on TV-am from 1984 until 1990. He left to join Sky Sports as a presenter and commentator and has worked in sports broadcasting ever since.
    Lucy Kite - news presenter and producer on Central Tonight for ITV Central
    from 2002; entertainment correspondent from January 2006; from November
    2008, appointed relief presenter on West Midlands edition of Central.
    Redvers Kyle - long-serving continuity announcer, originally for Associated-Rediffusion, from 1956 until 1968: he then worked as Chief
    Announcer for Yorkshire Television from 1968 until 1993. He continued to
    work as a freelance announcer for YTV, as well as Tyne Tees Television,
    until 1998. He died in 2015.
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    Alastair Layzell - produced and directed documentaries for ITV network including Summer 1940, the story of the German occupation of the Channel Islands
    Stephen Lee
    Jan Leeming - presenter and reporter for Westward Television during the
    1960s and a presenter on HTV News West during the 1970s, before becoming a newsreader for the BBC
    Martyn Lewis - news presenter for HTV and then ITN, where he was a regular presenter for News at Ten; joined the BBC in 1986 to front the new One
    O'Clock News.
    Peter Lewis (announcer) - continuity announcer for London Weekend Television from its inception in 1968 until his departure in 1997: he became their
    chief announcer in 1977. He was also an announcer for Yorkshire Television
    and HTV West, and he was a regular newsreader on 'London News Headlines' for LWT from 1982 until 1988.
    Terry Lloyd - Middle East reporter; killed by US troops in 2003 while
    covering the 2003 Invasion of Iraq
    Jasmine Lowson
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    Hamish MacDonald - reporter for ITV
    Donal MacIntyre - presenter on ITV's London Tonight
    Robert MacNeil
    Richard Madeley - reporter on Border Television's Lookaround and presenter
    on Yorkshire Television's Calendar during the 1970s, before moving onto
    Granada Reports in the early 1980s. He is best known for presenting This Morning from its inception in 1988 until 2001, then Richard and Judy on
    Channel 4 from 2001 until 2008, both of these alongside his wife, Judy Finnigan.
    Joanne Malin
    Marc Mallett
    Barbara Mandell - first female newsreader in Britain, presenting ITN
    bulletins from 1956 to the late 1960s; died in 1998
    Penny Marshall - ITV News Africa Correspondent, September 2019 - Present.
    ITV News Social Affairs Editor until September 2019.
    Peter Marshall (UK broadcaster) - long-serving continuity announcer,
    originally for Ulster Television during the late 1960s. He then worked for Anglia Television, Southern Television, HTV West, ATV, and for Thames Television in particular: he began announcing for the latter company in 1976 and remained with them until their final day of broadcasting in 1992.
    James Mates - ITV News Europe Editor; relief newscaster for ITV News at
    1:30, ITV News at 6:30 and ITV News at Ten; main newscaster for ITV News on Sundays
    Daisy McAndrew
    Helen McDermott - television presenter, best known for her work at Anglia Television
    Trevor McDonald - ITN newscaster, 1973-2008; first black news anchor in the
    UK; joined ITN as a reporter in 1973 and rose to become a newscaster by the late 1970s; in the mid-1980s was diplomatic editor for Channel 4 News; main newscaster for News at Ten, 1992-1999 and 2001-2005; during this period he
    also hosted Granada Television's current affairs programme Tonight with
    Trevor McDonald; retired from newscasting in 2005, but returned to ITN to present the revived News at Ten for eleven months in 2008; knighted in 1999 Mark McFadden
    Lawrence McGinty - former Science and Medical Editor for ITN.
    Rachel McTavish
    Lucy Meacock - presenter of Granada Reports
    Guy Michelmore - reporter on Anglia TV's About Anglia, 1983-1993; son of the late Cliff Michelmore.
    Lucrezia Millarini - presenter and reporter
    Austin Mitchell - main presenter on Yorkshire Television's Calendar from
    1969 until 1977. He then became best known as the Labour MP for Great
    Grimsby, a role he held from 1977 until 2015. He died in 2021.
    Ed Mitchell - reporter on ITN News
    Frank Mitchell
    Leslie Mitchell - senior announcer for Associated-Rediffusion from 1955
    until 1958. He had previously been the first-ever announcer on the then-fledgling BBC Television in 1936. He died in 1985.
    Saima Mohsin
    Kristina Moore
    Diana Moran - former newsreader and announcer for HTV News West. She is best known as 'The Green Goddess', the resident fitness expert on BBC Breakfast
    Time from 1983 until 1987.
    Chris Morgan (journalist) - reporter for Thames News and TV-am during the 1990s, having previously been a main presenter on the BBC's Wales Today. He died in 2008.
    Jonathan Morrell
    Mike Morris - main anchor on Good Morning Britain during the 1980s and early 1990s; previously worked for Thames News; later worked on GMTV; main anchor
    on Calendar, 1996-2002; died in 2012
    Tony Morris - presenter of Granada Reports for more than 10 years from 2003.
    He died in 2020.
    Dermot Murnaghan
    Emma Murphy - correspondent. Served as Europe Correspondent for ITV News and then Foreign Correspondent. In September 2020 it was announced that Murphy would take over as US Correspondent in early 2021. [3]
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    Jennifer Nadel - ITN's Home Affairs Editor, 1994-1999
    Shereen Nanjiani
    Nina Nannar
    Bill Neely - joined ITN in 1989, was Washington Correspondent for 6 years, Europe Correspondent for 5, International Editor for 12; covered many events including the fall of the Berlin Wall, break-up of the Soviet Union, both
    Gulf Wars, and September 11 attacks; left in 2014 to join NBC News
    Mike Neville - joined Tyne Tees Television in 1959 as a young reporter;
    later became presenter of regional news programme before leaving for the
    BBC; returned to ITV in 1996 with his own programme on Tyne Tees until 2005.
    He died in 2017.
    Gary Newbon
    Jeremy Nicholas
    Michael Nicholson - former ITN senior foreign correspondent and newscaster; original host of ITN News at 5:45 when it was introduced in 1976; died in December 2016
    Nicol Nicolson
    Mary Nightingale - main newscaster on ITV Evening News; joined ITV News in January 2001 and has since presented both the 6:30 pm bulletin as well as special ITN programmes on ITV
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    Glen Oglaza
    Joyce Ohajah
    Rageh Omaar - joined ITV News in 2013 after being a newsreader on Al Jazeera English and a columnist for BBC News
    Lucy Owen
    Nicholas Owen - joined ITN in 1984 as Channel 4 News business and economics correspondent; ITN's royal correspondent, 1994-2000; in 2003, he became the main presenter of ITV News at 1:30; left ITN in 2006 for the BBC, where he
    is currently a relief presenter for the BBC News at Six, as well as a main presenter on the BBC News Channel, and a radio presenter on Classic FM.
    Nick Owen - presenter on TV-am and Good Morning Britain during the 1980s. He had previously worked for ATV as a presenter and sports reporter. He later hosted Sporting Triangles and Good Morning with Anne and Nick, the latter
    with his former TV-am co-presenter Anne Diamond. He is now the main anchor
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    Leonard Parkin - reporter and newscaster with ITN from circa 1973 to 1987; between 1976 and 1987 he was one of the main presenters for ITN's News at
    One; often hosted the News at 5:45 in the early 1980s; occasionally
    presented News at Ten; and retired in 1987; subsequently presented documentaries for Yorkshire Television until his death in 1993.
    Michael Parkinson - one of the original presenters of TV-am on its inception
    in 1983. He is best known as a chat show host, having hosted his own BBC
    show Parkinson from 1971 until 1982: he later presented a revival, from 1998 until 2007. Other shows he has presented have included Give Us A Clue and Desert Island Discs. He was knighted in 2008.
    Matthew Parris - former Conservative MP, who presented Weekend World from
    1986 to 1988.
    Roger Parry
    Ian Payne - lead news anchor of ITV News Border
    Kylie Pentelow
    Robert Peston - ITV News' Political Editor since January 2016, replacing Tom Bradby; formerly BBC News' Business and Economics Editor.
    Karen Petch - continuity announcer for Yorkshire Television and Tyne Tees Television during the 1990s. She then became a main presenter and reporter
    on Yorkshire's Calendar. She died from cancer in 2019.
    Fiona Phillips - main anchor on GMTV, presented GMTV Today, 1997-2008
    Ronke Phillips - senior correspondent, newscaster
    John Pilger - journalist on World In Action, 1969-1971.
    Amanda Piper - journalist and presenter, ITV Meridian
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    Gaby Rado - journalist who died in Iraq during the 2003 invasion; joined BBC News as a radio reporter, then ITN in 1985 as a writer for ITV bulletins, before transferring to ITN's Channel 4 News in 1988.
    Jeff Randall - produced television documentaries for ITV.
    Andrew Rawnsley - co-presenter of 'A Week In Politics', alongside Vincent Hanna, during the 1990s.
    Phil Reay-Smith - general correspondent for ITV News until August 2010; now Consumer Editor on ITV Breakfast show Daybreak since its launch in September 2010
    Pam Rhodes - presenter of Anglia Television's About Anglia during the 1970s
    and 1980s. She is now best known as a long-serving presenter of the BBC's
    Songs of Praise.
    Steve Rider - sports presenter and anchorman of ITV's football coverage,
    having previously been a long-serving main anchor on the BBC's Grandstand Angela Rippon
    Dan Rivers - international correspondent for ITV News
    Sue Robbie - continuity announcer for Granada Television during the late
    1970s and early 1980s. She also presented a number of children's series
    during the 1980s, including 'Hold Tight' and 'First Post', and she was the original host on the Granada quiz Connections (1985-88).
    Graham Roberts - continuity announcer for Yorkshire Television until his retirement in 1993: he was also an announcer for Grampian Television. He
    died in 2004.
    Nick Robinson - political editor for ITV News, 2002-2005
    Chris Rogers - presented and reported for ITV News
    Peter Rowell - continuity announcer and daytime newsreader for HTV West from the late 1980s until he left in 2010 to join BBC Radio Bristol. He was
    jailed in 2012 on historical sexual assault charges.
    Pam Royle - lead news anchor on ITV News Border.
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    Brent Sadler - joined ITN in 1981 as a news reporter, before being promoted
    to the position of Middle East Correspondent. He left to join CNN in 1991. Annie St John - announcer for HTV West, Tyne Tees and LWT during the 1980s,
    and later a main presenter on HTV News West. She died from a drugs overdose
    in 1990.
    Angus Scott - regular sports presenter for HTV during the 1980s and 1990s:
    he frequently presented sports news on HTV News. He is the brother of Steve Scott.
    Mike Scott - reporter and presenter on World In Action and Granada's local
    news programmes: he was the company's programme controller from 1979 until 1987. He was probably best known for hosting The Time, The Place from 1987 until 1993, in rotation with John Stapleton. Scott died in 2008.
    Selina Scott - presenter of Grampian Today; in 1980 moved to ITN to replace Anna Ford on News at Ten; left to present the BBC's Breakfast Time; later co-hosted The Clothes Show
    Steve Scott - sports editor and newscaster for ITV News from ITN; began his television career as Industrial Correspondent with West Tonight on ITV West; joined ITN in 1993. He is married to the former HTV News presenter Patricia Yorston, and is also the brother of Angus Scott.
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    has also hosted quiz shows, including The Krypton Factor, Tipping Point and
    1 vs. 100.
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    1982; left in 1989 to join BBC News. He died in 2019.
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    News, and on Sky News at its inception in 1989. She also co-hosted the last series of The Krypton Factor alongside Gordon Burns.
    Jon Snow - journalist and presenter for ITN, best known for presenting
    Channel 4 News since 1989; cousin of fellow-journalist Peter Snow.
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    time, he became especially famous for his use of the Swingometer during the BBC's election coverage. He later co-presented Tomorrow's World and also a number of history programmes, the latter normally with his historian son,
    Dan Snow. He is also the cousin of fellow-journalist Jon Snow.
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    for the ITN News Channel
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    on ITV Evening News and relief newscaster on ITV News at Ten
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    Westward Television, TSW and Westcountry Television. He died in 2005.
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    of Channel 4 News and worked in various roles on the programme, including copywriter, producer, duty home news editor and chief sub-editor. He joined
    the BBC in 1988 as their Paris Correspondent, before returning to ITN as
    their Diplomatic Editor in 1990. He rejoined the BBC in 1993 to present the
    One O'Clock News and he later presented the 'Today' programme, to which he still contributes to this day.
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    he was also a relief presenter for News at Ten; retired from ITN in 2004; brother of the actor David Suchet
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  • From Lars Anders@21:1/5 to Bernd Rose on Fri Mar 25 22:41:28 2022
    On 25 Mar 2022, Bernd Rose <b.rose.tmpbox@arcor.de> wrote :

    I hope Dialog does not permit running scripts in HTML content

    It doesn't.

    I just test.
    It only happen in COMPOSE message window body!
    Not happen in MESSAGE VIEW message window body!

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  • From Bernd Rose@21:1/5 to Lars Anders on Fri Mar 25 23:23:19 2022
    On Fr, 25th Mar 2022 21:46:11 +0100, Lars Anders wrote:

    Here is random test we can three of us use same for consistent. https://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_ITV_journalists_and_newsreaders

    SIMPLE TESTING:
    1. Copy & paste above long list A-Z into Dialog message body below
    2. In long message body left mouse select and scroll to sweep select UP
    3. In long message body left mouse select and scroll to sweep select DOWN

    The difference in scroll time is 100 times much more slow on DOWN than UP! Very very noticing every time.
    No exception.

    And from your message with Message-ID: <t1lcu1$1hlc$1@gioia.aioe.org>:
    | It only happen in COMPOSE message window body!
    | Not happen in MESSAGE VIEW message window body!

    I just tested here and see no noticeable difference. Either your PC is
    really slow, or some running process interferes, or there is a system-wide setting for mouse selection speed. The last of the three is unlikely,
    because you wrote, the difference only occurs inside the Compose window
    and not the MessageView window. Both text windows have an identical type (TPlusMemoU) and near-identical major properties.

    My bets would go to an interfering third-party process.

    Bernd

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  • From Lars Anders@21:1/5 to Bernd Rose on Sat Mar 26 00:46:45 2022
    On 25 Mar 2022, Bernd Rose <b.rose.tmpbox@arcor.de> wrote :

    I just tested here and see no noticeable difference.

    Am amazed.
    Difference is big. But accept your test.

    Good your data tests.
    Must be me.
    Wait to see VanguardLH test too.
    Thanks.

    Either your PC is
    really slow, or some running process interferes, or there is a system-wide setting for mouse selection speed. The last of the three is unlikely,
    because you wrote, the difference only occurs inside the Compose window
    and not the MessageView window.

    Yes. Only in window which COMPOSE is. Not MESSAGE view.
    Only Compose. And only DOWN selection. Never up selection.
    Speed CHANGES depending on how fast I move mouse with left button down too! Slow.... slow.... line & line slow... then WHAM! FAST! Too fast!
    Start over.

    Maybe mouses driver problem?
    Logitech.

    Maybe I try different mouses.

    Both text windows have an identical type
    (TPlusMemoU) and near-identical major properties.

    My bets would go to an interfering third-party process.

    My bets is mouses driver.
    Thank you.

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Lars Anders on Fri Mar 25 23:43:00 2022
    Lars Anders wrote:

    On 25 Mar 2022, VanguardLH <V@nguard.LH> wrote :

    The content selected is at the same rate as however you do the select
    which you did not mention.

    I try start again better! :0)

    Here is random test we can three of us use same for consistent. https://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_ITV_journalists_and_newsreaders

    SIMPLE TESTING:
    1. Copy & paste above long list A-Z into Dialog message body below
    2. In long message body left mouse select and scroll to sweep select UP
    3. In long message body left mouse select and scroll to sweep select DOWN

    The difference in scroll time is 100 times much more slow on DOWN than UP! Very very noticing every time.
    No exception.

    Why?

    Does not happens for me. When I paste, I am pasting *text*, not HTML
    code. There is no option within Dialog as to how to do the paste.

    My clipboard manager (Clipmate) maintains an application profile of
    content types that it detects are used for an application. For Dialog,
    it has only the text and Rich-Text content types enabled. That is, it
    won't paste HTML, just text or RTF into a compose window. So, my
    clipboard manager is assisting me by not pasting in a clip whose content
    type is not compatible, or has not been used, with an app.

    You are pasting HTML code into your new message in the compose window.
    That's why I said HTML can screw up not only formatting, but also
    behavior, when you copying it elsewhere, especially if only pasting an incomplete HTML document.

    I don't know if you participate in HTML-allowed newsgroups. I haven't
    been in any for 3 decades, my entire time in Usenet. When posting in
    text-only newsgroups (and that's the vast majority of them), HTML is
    considered impolite, and users may flag or filter out any posts where
    the MIME type is text/html.

    I can edit the app profile in my clip manager to add/remove content
    types for what I want to support when pasting clips into an app.
    However, just because I enable a content type doesn't mean the app will
    support it. Before I discovered this feature in the clipboard manager,
    I also had another tool that lets me paste in only a text version of a
    clip called PureText; see:

    https://stevemiller.net/puretext/

    To paste, you normally use Ctrl+V. To get the text-only copy of a clip
    (the last one in the clipboard since Windows 10 added a history to their
    own clipboard manager), the default key combo is Win+V; however, that conflicted with the Windows 10 clipboard history manager (which I still
    want despite I use a different clipboard manager that has history), I
    changed it to Ctrl+Shift+V. When I want to ensure I copy a plain text
    version of a clip, I use that key combo.

    With pasting of HTML content, you don't know the HTML tags used within
    to define the document. While scripts are not supported (well, not ran,
    but they'll get copied when pasting), there are lots of HTML code that
    affects how content is rendered. Likely it's that rendering that is
    causing problems when scrolling through the HTML-formatted content that
    you pasted into a new message.

    Don't paste HTML-formatted content into Usenet messages unless you know
    the newsgroup allows HTML-formatted content. You should be using plain
    text in Usenet messages. Usenet was not intended for HTML messaging.
    If you just must present an HTML version of the content, insert a URL
    into your message pointing at where is the HTML content.

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Sat Mar 26 00:02:13 2022
    VanguardLH wrote:

    I don't know if you participate in HTML-allowed newsgroups. I haven't
    been in any for 3 decades, my entire time in Usenet. When posting in text-only newsgroups (and that's the vast majority of them), HTML is considered impolite, and users may flag or filter out any posts where
    the MIME type is text/html.

    It's not just users that may use rules/filters to eliminate/delete/hide HTML-formatted messages, but servers can, too. Many NNTP servers only
    allow plain text messages, and will discard and not peer to other
    servers any messages in HTML format.

    You might like using HTML to make pretty messages for e-mail, but don't
    use HTML in Usenet messages. Usenet is text based.

    This isn't just me orating on the sins of using HTML in Usenet. The
    author of Dialog has a "Writing Style on Usenet" section in Help:

    Special note to users of Netscape Communicator and MicroSoft Internet
    News or Outlook Express: Please don't attach Vcards to your post or
    post in HTML. Many newsreaders are unable to properly interpret the
    code, making the message hard to read, so many people will just skip
    those messages. Also, some major ISPs are filtering out any posts
    which contain HTML, so your message will be poorly propagated.

    Yes, there are NNTP servers that will reject HTML formatted messages on submission, and may not accept an HTML-formatted message peered from
    another NNTP server. Usenet is text. HTML is rude. You can search
    online to find many articles about Usenet netiquette that recommend
    against using HTML format in Usenet messages.

    I've never participated in newsgroups where HTML is accepted. My guess
    is you should see .html appended to the newsgroup name for where HTML is acceptable, but maybe other newsgroups accept HTML. There is a whole
    process of adding a newsgroup to the Big-8 set of newsgroups (not to the
    alt.* newsgroups). After discussion (forget which newsgroup that is,
    maybe news.groups or news.groups.proposals), a poll calls for votes in news.announce.newsgroups, and if accepted the same newsgroup announced
    the addition, but an NNTP admin must add the newsgroup, and ensure it
    gets peered. As part of the announcement, a manifest is posted that
    states the purpose of the new newsgroup. One of the declarations what
    content type is allowed, like only text or text and HTML. Good luck on
    finding the manifests. There might not be or is no longer a manifest,
    or the manifest doesn't declare what content types are allowed in
    messages, but that's likely due to the assumption that Usenet is text.

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  • From Bernd Rose@21:1/5 to Lars Anders on Sat Mar 26 08:43:03 2022
    On Sat, 26th Mar 2022 00:46:45 +0100, Lars Anders wrote:

    [Text selection (scrolling) speed]
    Yes. Only in window which COMPOSE is. Not MESSAGE view.
    Only Compose. And only DOWN selection. Never up selection.
    Speed CHANGES depending on how fast I move mouse with left button down too! Slow.... slow.... line & line slow... then WHAM! FAST! Too fast!
    Start over.

    Maybe mouses driver problem?

    Please bear in mind, that selection speed increases with distance between
    mouse pointer position and current position of the selection. So, if you
    want slow selection speed, don't drag the mouse pointer far below the
    bottom of the Compose window. Instead, hover it just below the current
    end of the selection block. (Or only a few pixels below the text entry
    pane, once the selection has reached the bottom of the visible area.)

    The same applies when selecting upwards. You probably just do not drag
    the mouse pointer as far above the upper selection end as you do with
    the lower selection end when selecting downwards.

    This is system-wide behavior, btw. So you should encounter this effect
    in other programs, as well.

    Bernd

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  • From Bernd Rose@21:1/5 to VanguardLH on Sat Mar 26 08:28:32 2022
    On Fr, 25th Mar 2022 23:43:00 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

    When I paste, I am pasting *text*, not HTML code. There is no option
    within Dialog as to how to do the paste.
    [...]
    You are pasting HTML code into your new message in the compose window.

    Dialog only supports /reading/ of Html messages. Outgoing messages are
    always text-only. Therefore, the composition window only accepts content
    from clipboard, that is labeled as text (CF_TEXT, CF_UNICODETEXT).

    Whenever Html text is copied /into/ the clipboard, the Windows system
    functions create an additional (reduced) text-only representation of
    that Html content. That's the text used when "Html" content is inserted
    into the Dialog composition window.

    Bernd

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  • From VanguardLH@21:1/5 to Bernd Rose on Sat Mar 26 07:01:03 2022
    Bernd Rose wrote:

    On Fr, 25th Mar 2022 23:43:00 -0500, VanguardLH wrote:

    When I paste, I am pasting *text*, not HTML code. There is no option
    within Dialog as to how to do the paste.
    [...]
    You are pasting HTML code into your new message in the compose window.

    Dialog only supports /reading/ of Html messages. Outgoing messages are
    always text-only. Therefore, the composition window only accepts content
    from clipboard, that is labeled as text (CF_TEXT, CF_UNICODETEXT).

    Whenever Html text is copied /into/ the clipboard, the Windows system functions create an additional (reduced) text-only representation of
    that Html content. That's the text used when "Html" content is inserted
    into the Dialog composition window.

    Bernd

    Okay, explains why when I pasted the content of the OP's example article
    that I got only text in the new message composition window. I had no
    slow down in either direction when selecting text in the body pane of
    the composition window. I tried both dragging with the mouse to select
    past the window size to force scrolling up and down, and also using shift+arrowkey to select text beyond the window size to scroll up and
    down while selecting. Selection was not slowed during scrolling in
    either direction.

    Since it is just text in Dialog's composition window in the body pane,
    perhaps the OP should try pasting the article into Notepad to see if
    scroll selection is faster in one direction over the other direction.
    Doesn't seem Dialog could be at fault if it is just text-only being
    selected during a scroll operation.

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