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    From Tony@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 12 20:28:33 2023
    XPost: nz.politics

    https://www.thepost.co.nz/a/politics/350071555/prefu-election-and-new-zealands-troubled-waters-ahead?utm_source=stuff_website&utm_medium=stuff_referral&utm_campaign=mh_stuff&utm_id=mh_stuff
    A somewhat soft commentary, the reality is much worse.
    See https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/08/29/nz-at-risk-of-falling-into-deeper-recession/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwmICoBhDxARIsABXkXlLyOEFbxIYoGKR4popeHueJdFP3QfTv8aE7dTtQ8tZLVQ2hYoB_NjcaAmyWEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
    Grant Robertson's fingers are all over the PREFU, in an attempt to sugar coat what is a disaster in progress. He and the rest of this government have spent more than they told us they were spending.
    An absolute disgrace, we have the second worst balance of payments of all developed countries.
    And yet some have been known to bleat about how well this government has done - what a crock.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Tony on Tue Sep 12 14:39:46 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 8:28:36 AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    https://www.thepost.co.nz/a/politics/350071555/prefu-election-and-new-zealands-troubled-waters-ahead?utm_source=stuff_website&utm_medium=stuff_referral&utm_campaign=mh_stuff&utm_id=mh_stuff
    A somewhat soft commentary, the reality is much worse.
    See https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/08/29/nz-at-risk-of-falling-into-deeper-recession/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwmICoBhDxARIsABXkXlLyOEFbxIYoGKR4popeHueJdFP3QfTv8aE7dTtQ8tZLVQ2hYoB_NjcaAmyWEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
    Grant Robertson's fingers are all over the PREFU, in an attempt to sugar coat
    what is a disaster in progress. He and the rest of this government have spent
    more than they told us they were spending.
    An absolute disgrace, we have the second worst balance of payments of all developed countries.
    And yet some have been known to bleat about how well this government has done -
    what a crock.
    We live in interesting times. I find it amusing that many of the media have finally got their heads out of their arses and telling the truth about the government.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Crash@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Wed Sep 13 15:48:58 2023
    On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:28:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.thepost.co.nz/a/politics/350071555/prefu-election-and-new-zealands-troubled-waters-ahead?utm_source=stuff_website&utm_medium=stuff_referral&utm_campaign=mh_stuff&utm_id=mh_stuff
    A somewhat soft commentary, the reality is much worse.
    See >https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/08/29/nz-at-risk-of-falling-into-deeper-recession/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwmICoBhDxARIsABXkXlLyOEFbxIYoGKR4popeHueJdFP3QfTv8aE7dTtQ8tZLVQ2hYoB_NjcaAmyWEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
    Grant Robertson's fingers are all over the PREFU, in an attempt to sugar coat >what is a disaster in progress. He and the rest of this government have spent >more than they told us they were spending.
    An absolute disgrace, we have the second worst balance of payments of all >developed countries.
    And yet some have been known to bleat about how well this government has done -
    what a crock.

    With PREFU now done, National has the perfect opportunity to see
    indexation of tax brackets as a future intent based on affordably,
    rather than 'tax cuts' now. Not the projections of a $9Billion cost
    of servicing debt - better use of taxation revenue is to retire debt
    rather than reduce it.


    --
    Crash McBash

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sat Sep 16 21:23:10 2023
    On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:28:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.thepost.co.nz/a/politics/350071555/prefu-election-and-new-zealands-troubled-waters-ahead?utm_source=stuff_website&utm_medium=stuff_referral&utm_campaign=mh_stuff&utm_id=mh_stuff
    A somewhat soft commentary, the reality is much worse.
    See >https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/08/29/nz-at-risk-of-falling-into-deeper-recession/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwmICoBhDxARIsABXkXlLyOEFbxIYoGKR4popeHueJdFP3QfTv8aE7dTtQ8tZLVQ2hYoB_NjcaAmyWEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
    Grant Robertson's fingers are all over the PREFU, in an attempt to sugar coat >what is a disaster in progress. He and the rest of this government have spent >more than they told us they were spending.
    An absolute disgrace, we have the second worst balance of payments of all >developed countries.
    And yet some have been known to bleat about how well this government has done -
    what a crock.

    You have raised the Current Account Deficit previously, but I suspect
    you are ignoring one of the significant factors in the amount of that
    deficit. First of all our overall position should also be looked at in
    relation to the level of debt - that we have a lower level of debt as
    a percentage of GSP than many countries is a good thing - and both
    Labour and National have tried to keep that level relatively low over
    the years. The Current account deficit includes on factor that has
    become significantly more important in recent years - the flow of
    dividends to and from New Zealand. Many of our large companies are
    ultimately owned by overseas investors - so for example when our banks
    paid $5 billion of dividends to shareholders in the last year, the
    majority of that would have gone to Australian owners - boosting the
    balance on current account of Australia while reducing our balance on
    current account.

    In effect we may work hard to maximise efficiencies and hence profits,
    but given the enthusiasm for some past governments to sell off to
    overseas owners (Banks and Electricity companies being recent
    examples), we are in part working against our own country and on
    behalf of foreigners if you measure success by the Balance on Current
    Account.

    For a bit more information, see: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/currentaccountdeficit.asp

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Sep 17 20:53:08 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 20:28:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.thepost.co.nz/a/politics/350071555/prefu-election-and-new-zealands-troubled-waters-ahead?utm_source=stuff_website&utm_medium=stuff_referral&utm_campaign=mh_stuff&utm_id=mh_stuff
    A somewhat soft commentary, the reality is much worse.
    See >>https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/08/29/nz-at-risk-of-falling-into-deeper-recession/?gclid=Cj0KCQjwmICoBhDxARIsABXkXlLyOEFbxIYoGKR4popeHueJdFP3QfTv8aE7dTtQ8tZLVQ2hYoB_NjcaAmyWEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds
    Grant Robertson's fingers are all over the PREFU, in an attempt to sugar coat >>what is a disaster in progress. He and the rest of this government have spent >>more than they told us they were spending.
    An absolute disgrace, we have the second worst balance of payments of all >>developed countries.
    And yet some have been known to bleat about how well this government has done >>-
    what a crock.

    You have raised the Current Account Deficit previously, but I suspect
    you are ignoring one of the significant factors in the amount of that >deficit. First of all our overall position should also be looked at in >relation to the level of debt - that we have a lower level of debt as
    a percentage of GSP than many countries is a good thing - and both
    Labour and National have tried to keep that level relatively low over
    the years. The Current account deficit includes on factor that has
    become significantly more important in recent years - the flow of
    dividends to and from New Zealand. Many of our large companies are
    ultimately owned by overseas investors - so for example when our banks
    paid $5 billion of dividends to shareholders in the last year, the
    majority of that would have gone to Australian owners - boosting the
    balance on current account of Australia while reducing our balance on
    current account.
    Balance oif payments is far more important than you pretend.
    It is a major measurement used by the IMF and other international organisations. Ours is terrible.

    In effect we may work hard to maximise efficiencies and hence profits,
    but given the enthusiasm for some past governments to sell off to
    overseas owners (Banks and Electricity companies being recent
    examples), we are in part working against our own country and on
    behalf of foreigners if you measure success by the Balance on Current >Account.

    For a bit more information, see: >https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/currentaccountdeficit.asp

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
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