Interesting to see the hysterics over what was and is always likely to
happen from time to time. NZF is always going to be the weak link in
the Government with just a small dip in support (to under 5%) taking
them out of Parliament and changing the seat count substantially.
It did not warrant 'breaking news' status. Their political editor was
all over the fact that National/ACT would no longer be the government
if this was an actual election result - ignoring the fact that it is
not an election result.
No wonder they, as part of the MSM, are losing trust. These polls, >regardless of the results, are worthy of taking the 6:30pm human
interest slot for the night. The relevance of these polls is more to
do with trends and measuring the effect on polls of events from time
to time.
No wonder they, as part of the MSM, are losing trust. These polls, >regardless of the results, are worthy of taking the 6:30pm human
interest slot for the night.
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
No wonder they, as part of the MSM, are losing trust. These polls, >>regardless of the results, are worthy of taking the 6:30pm human
interest slot for the night.
These are fake polls, worthy of inclusion into the fake news. They
are false gauges of irrelevant things. Pure bunk.
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
No wonder they, as part of the MSM, are losing trust. These polls, >>regardless of the results, are worthy of taking the 6:30pm human
interest slot for the night.
These are fake polls, worthy of inclusion into the fake news. They
are false gauges of irrelevant things. Pure bunk.
These are fake polls, worthy of inclusion into the fake news.
Interesting to see the hysterics over what was and is always likely to
happen from time to time. NZF is always going to be the weak link in
the Government with just a small dip in support (to under 5%) taking
them out of Parliament and changing the seat count substantially.
It did not warrant 'breaking news' status. Their political editor was
all over the fact that National/ACT would no longer be the government
if this was an actual election result - ignoring the fact that it is
not an election result.
No wonder they, as part of the MSM, are losing trust. These polls, regardless of the results, are worthy of taking the 6:30pm human
interest slot for the night. The relevance of these polls is more to
do with trends and measuring the effect on polls of events from time
to time.
On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 20:09:53 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:There is only one poll that matters, that is an election - all others are a waste of time and suitable for you to enjoy whatever fantasies you harbour.
These are fake polls, worthy of inclusion into the fake news.
These same sorts of polls correlated with the downfall of previous >Governments, so they have some significance on that basis: history
repeating itself.
The difference being, those previous Governments only saw these sorts ofThat is not true.
poll results in their third (and final) terms; this one is getting it just >150 days into its first term.
On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 20:09:53 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:You have provided no evidence that any poll other than an election is of value - they never have been and never will be - you are indulging in fantasy.
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:You have provided no evidence that this was a fake poll. Certainly we
No wonder they, as part of the MSM, are losing trust. These polls, >>>regardless of the results, are worthy of taking the 6:30pm human
interest slot for the night.
These are fake polls, worthy of inclusion into the fake news. They
are false gauges of irrelevant things. Pure bunk.
did not need the breathless ads before hand urging us to tune in a
this time to hear big new news. There was nothing surprising about the
poll results of the poll. The government is making life harder for
most people - they committed to rewards landlords but little for
anyone else, and are clearly making life harder for the rest of us -
costs are going up, including any user pay charges they have managed
to increase, but no corresponding reduction in taxes for the rest of
us.
Luxon at least reacted to the failure of two Ministers, but at the
same time showed how weak he was in not getting an NZ First Minister
out for not telling cabinet about $42 billion of future savings
through not scrapping the smoke-free changes put in by Labour - now we
see the UK Conservative government adopting them! The reality is that
Luxon is not in control of the government, just of the National Party.
Today brought news that rentals are keeping on increasing, in part due
to the government slowing down building new state housing stock, and
building companies getting into difficulties due to the lack of new
building and costs getting too high for most purchasers
If Shane Jones gets a coal mine reopened there will be a bigger
back-lash, and there are no signs that they will back down from racist >policies in ignoring the Treaty of Waitangi, or to get the electricity >industry off maximising profit by having to use coal fired Huntly
every so often to keep profits rolling - there are plenty of further >generation plans already approved - the gen companies just like having
Coal there to justify price hikes every so often . . .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-d296gUjgM&ab_channel=BriefButSpectacular
The government has to start ding something to justify the voted they >received, not just the money that was donated - including through
Atlas Network entities that have influence in each of the Coalition
parties . . .
The difference being, those previous Governments only saw these sorts of
poll results in their third (and final) terms; this one is getting it just >150 days into its first term.
On Mon, 29 Apr 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
The difference being, those previous Governments only saw these sorts of >>poll results in their third (and final) terms; this one is getting it
just 150 days into its first term.
Nope, this government is not "getting"anything.
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 01:40:10 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:You really do think you are so very clever, do you not? Self deception is alive and well in Hamilton I see, shame really for what is otherwise a pleasant city. Your accusation is not what Willy Nilly did - you made an assumption - (you know what that caues don't you? Well don't you?)
On Mon, 29 Apr 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
The difference being, those previous Governments only saw these sorts of >>>poll results in their third (and final) terms; this one is getting it >>>just 150 days into its first term.
Nope, this government is not "getting"anything.
But you were willing to accept these sorts of poll results when they >predicted the downfall of a Labour-led Government, weren’t you?
Don’t use circular arguments to try to justify why you pay attention to >some sources of evidence but not others.
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 01:40:10 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:
Nope, this government is not "getting"anything.
But you were willing to accept these sorts of poll results when they >predicted the downfall of a Labour-led Government, weren’t you?
Don’t use circular arguments to try to justify why you pay attention to >some sources of evidence but not others.
On Mon, 29 Apr 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
The difference being, those previous Governments only saw these sorts of >>poll results in their third (and final) terms; this one is getting it just >>150 days into its first term.
Nope, this government is not "getting"anything. Rather, the media is >"giving" it. This is a reflection on today's extreme-left media, not
the government.
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 01:40:10 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:Ah, but this is a biased poll, apparently. Right Rich?
On Mon, 29 Apr 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
The difference being, those previous Governments only saw these sorts of >>>poll results in their third (and final) terms; this one is getting it just >>>150 days into its first term.
Nope, this government is not "getting"anything. Rather, the media is >>"giving" it. This is a reflection on today's extreme-left media, not
the government.
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/nz-national-voting-intention-april-2024
Notice how the Roy Morgan poll, released a few days after, and showing
the government with a comfortable majority, was not covered by our
media at all. Our extremist media "gives", that's the takeaway.
wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 01:40:10 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:Ah, but this is a biased poll, apparently. Right Rich?
On Mon, 29 Apr 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
The difference being, those previous Governments only saw these sorts of >>>>poll results in their third (and final) terms; this one is getting it just >>>>150 days into its first term.
Nope, this government is not "getting"anything. Rather, the media is >>>"giving" it. This is a reflection on today's extreme-left media, not
the government.
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/nz-national-voting-intention-april-2024
Notice how the Roy Morgan poll, released a few days after, and showing
the government with a comfortable majority, was not covered by our
media at all. Our extremist media "gives", that's the takeaway.
On 2024-05-03, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 01:40:10 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:Ah, but this is a biased poll, apparently. Right Rich?
On Mon, 29 Apr 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:Notice how the Roy Morgan poll, released a few days after, and showing >>>the government with a comfortable majority, was not covered by our
The difference being, those previous Governments only saw these sorts of >>>>>poll results in their third (and final) terms; this one is getting it just >>>>>150 days into its first term.
Nope, this government is not "getting"anything. Rather, the media is >>>>"giving" it. This is a reflection on today's extreme-left media, not >>>>the government.
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/nz-national-voting-intention-april-2024 >>>
media at all. Our extremist media "gives", that's the takeaway.
Which just goes to show why we need a General poll every three years.
On 3 May 2024 02:46:10 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Anybody who takes notice of these polls is delusional, thay are and always have been nowhere near worthwhile, regardless of the number of respondents.
On 2024-05-03, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 01:40:10 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote: >>>>>On Mon, 29 Apr 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:Ah, but this is a biased poll, apparently. Right Rich?
Notice how the Roy Morgan poll, released a few days after, and showing >>>>the government with a comfortable majority, was not covered by our >>>>media at all. Our extremist media "gives", that's the takeaway.The difference being, those previous Governments only saw these sorts of >>>>>>poll results in their third (and final) terms; this one is getting it >>>>>>just
150 days into its first term.
Nope, this government is not "getting"anything. Rather, the media is >>>>>"giving" it. This is a reflection on today's extreme-left media, not >>>>>the government.
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/nz-national-voting-intention-april-2024 >>>>
Which just goes to show why we need a General poll every three years.
That the two polls are so different (although both have government
support declining since the election) does indicate that polls of only
around 1000 people are perhaps not large enough to be reliable.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 3 May 2024 02:46:10 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Anybody who takes notice of these polls is delusional, thay are and always have
On 2024-05-03, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 01:40:10 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote: >>>>>>On Mon, 29 Apr 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>The difference being, those previous Governments only saw these sorts of >>>>>>>poll results in their third (and final) terms; this one is getting it >>>>>>>justAh, but this is a biased poll, apparently. Right Rich?
Notice how the Roy Morgan poll, released a few days after, and showing >>>>>the government with a comfortable majority, was not covered by our >>>>>media at all. Our extremist media "gives", that's the takeaway.150 days into its first term.
Nope, this government is not "getting"anything. Rather, the media is >>>>>>"giving" it. This is a reflection on today's extreme-left media, not >>>>>>the government.
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/nz-national-voting-intention-april-2024 >>>>>
Which just goes to show why we need a General poll every three years.
That the two polls are so different (although both have government
support declining since the election) does indicate that polls of only >>around 1000 people are perhaps not large enough to be reliable.
been nowhere near worthwhile, regardless of the number of respondents.
On Fri, 3 May 2024 03:35:05 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are proof that polls between elections only appeal to idiots and only serve to boost the egos of political parties.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 3 May 2024 02:46:10 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Anybody who takes notice of these polls is delusional, thay are and always >>have
On 2024-05-03, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 01:40:10 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote: >>>>>>>On Mon, 29 Apr 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>The difference being, those previous Governments only saw these sorts >>>>>>>>ofAh, but this is a biased poll, apparently. Right Rich?
poll results in their third (and final) terms; this one is getting it >>>>>>>>just
150 days into its first term.
Nope, this government is not "getting"anything. Rather, the media is >>>>>>>"giving" it. This is a reflection on today's extreme-left media, not >>>>>>>the government.
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/nz-national-voting-intention-april-2024
Notice how the Roy Morgan poll, released a few days after, and showing >>>>>>the government with a comfortable majority, was not covered by our >>>>>>media at all. Our extremist media "gives", that's the takeaway.
Which just goes to show why we need a General poll every three years.
That the two polls are so different (although both have government >>>support declining since the election) does indicate that polls of only >>>around 1000 people are perhaps not large enough to be reliable.
been nowhere near worthwhile, regardless of the number of respondents.
It is telling that there has not been a Curia poll released recently -
the taxpayer Union is probably getting polls sufficiently regularly
that they can try to limit public releases to polls that show ACT, NZ
First and National in a better light . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I am sure there are a few people that agree with you, Tony, https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/05/04/the-secret-diary-of-coalition-sheriff-luxon/
On Fri, 3 May 2024 03:35:05 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are proof that polls between elections only appeal to idiots and only serve
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 3 May 2024 02:46:10 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Anybody who takes notice of these polls is delusional, thay are and always >>>have
On 2024-05-03, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 01:40:10 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote: >>>>>>>>On Mon, 29 Apr 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>The difference being, those previous Governments only saw these sorts >>>>>>>>>ofAh, but this is a biased poll, apparently. Right Rich?
poll results in their third (and final) terms; this one is getting it >>>>>>>>>just
150 days into its first term.
Nope, this government is not "getting"anything. Rather, the media is >>>>>>>>"giving" it. This is a reflection on today's extreme-left media, not >>>>>>>>the government.
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/nz-national-voting-intention-april-2024
Notice how the Roy Morgan poll, released a few days after, and showing >>>>>>>the government with a comfortable majority, was not covered by our >>>>>>>media at all. Our extremist media "gives", that's the takeaway.
Which just goes to show why we need a General poll every three years.
That the two polls are so different (although both have government >>>>support declining since the election) does indicate that polls of only >>>>around 1000 people are perhaps not large enough to be reliable.
been nowhere near worthwhile, regardless of the number of respondents.
It is telling that there has not been a Curia poll released recently -
the taxpayer Union is probably getting polls sufficiently regularly
that they can try to limit public releases to polls that show ACT, NZ
First and National in a better light . . .
to boost the egos of political parties.
On Fri, 3 May 2024 20:34:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I am sure there are a few people that agree with you, Tony, >https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/05/04/the-secret-diary-of-coalition-sheriff-luxon/ The only problem with these cuts is that there are nowhere near enough. There is a huge surplus of public servants courtesy of the last government's excesses.
On Fri, 3 May 2024 03:35:05 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are proof that polls between elections only appeal to idiots and only >>serve
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 3 May 2024 02:46:10 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:been nowhere near worthwhile, regardless of the number of respondents.
On 2024-05-03, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:That the two polls are so different (although both have government >>>>>support declining since the election) does indicate that polls of only >>>>>around 1000 people are perhaps not large enough to be reliable. >>>>Anybody who takes notice of these polls is delusional, thay are and always >>>>have
wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 01:40:10 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote: >>>>>>>>>On Mon, 29 Apr 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>The difference being, those previous Governments only saw these sorts >>>>>>>>>>of
poll results in their third (and final) terms; this one is getting it >>>>>>>>>>just
150 days into its first term.
Nope, this government is not "getting"anything. Rather, the media is >>>>>>>>>"giving" it. This is a reflection on today's extreme-left media, not >>>>>>>>>the government.
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/nz-national-voting-intention-april-2024
Notice how the Roy Morgan poll, released a few days after, and showing >>>>>>>>the government with a comfortable majority, was not covered by our >>>>>>>>media at all. Our extremist media "gives", that's the takeaway. >>>>>>> Ah, but this is a biased poll, apparently. Right Rich?
Which just goes to show why we need a General poll every three years. >>>>>
It is telling that there has not been a Curia poll released recently - >>>the taxpayer Union is probably getting polls sufficiently regularly
that they can try to limit public releases to polls that show ACT, NZ >>>First and National in a better light . . .
to boost the egos of political parties.
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