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    From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 4 19:42:19 2024
    https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/03/business/trump-media-accounting-firm-charged-fraud


    Back on the day, the National Party here took leads from the
    Republican Party in the USA. They must be very thankful that they and
    ACT now take advice from the Atlas Network . . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat May 4 08:16:26 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://edition.cnn.com/2024/05/03/business/trump-media-accounting-firm-charged-fraud


    Back on the day, the National Party here took leads from the
    Republican Party in the USA. They must be very thankful that they and
    ACT now take advice from the Atlas Network . . .
    No they didn't and no they don't.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 5 01:23:43 2024
    On Sat, 04 May 2024 19:42:19 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:

    Back on the day, the National Party here took leads from the Republican
    Party in the USA.

    I doubt that the US Democrats were that much friends with Labour here. Our
    idea of “centre-left” would still be much too “Socialist” for them.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to ldo@nz.invalid on Sun May 5 14:54:57 2024
    On Sun, 5 May 2024 01:23:43 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Sat, 04 May 2024 19:42:19 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:

    Back on the day, the National Party here took leads from the Republican
    Party in the USA.

    I doubt that the US Democrats were that much friends with Labour here. Our >idea of centre-left would still be much too Socialist for them.

    I agree. NZ Labour has traditionally had more contact with Australian
    and UK Labour Parties. While not perfect, the "Political Compass"
    gives a fairly accurate assessment of how far "left" or "right"
    different parties are - see https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2023
    and https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020
    and https://www.politicalcompass.org/aus2022
    and https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2019 (and that last has Labour
    very much to the left; having lived there for a while and reading
    about the party under the current leader I suspect they are closer to
    where the Lib Dems are on that chart.

    Nevertheless, the USA government has consistently dealt with our
    governments regardless of the political party in power in either
    country the National party used to often send people from here to do
    voluntary work with the Republicans and their campaign leader would
    visit the party in the year before our election to see how they did
    things. Trump's use of money to send propaganda to different postcodes
    based on polling was a radical change towards the now common use of disinformation by the Right; the National Party now get that advice
    through Atlas and the NZ Taxpayer Union which acts like a political
    action Committee in the USA - now covering each of the government
    coalition parties here and dreaming up "campaigns' like Groundswell
    that they can pretend are "concerned members of the public"

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun May 5 03:16:34 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 5 May 2024 01:23:43 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
    <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

    On Sat, 04 May 2024 19:42:19 +1200, Rich80105 wrote:

    Back on the day, the National Party here took leads from the Republican
    Party in the USA.

    I doubt that the US Democrats were that much friends with Labour here. Our >>idea of centre-left would still be much too Socialist for them.

    I agree. NZ Labour has traditionally had more contact with Australian
    and UK Labour Parties. While not perfect, the "Political Compass"
    gives a fairly accurate assessment of how far "left" or "right"
    different parties are - see https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2023
    and https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020
    and https://www.politicalcompass.org/aus2022
    and https://www.politicalcompass.org/uk2019 (and that last has Labour
    very much to the left; having lived there for a while and reading
    about the party under the current leader I suspect they are closer to
    where the Lib Dems are on that chart.

    Nevertheless, the USA government has consistently dealt with our
    governments regardless of the political party in power in either
    country the National party used to often send people from here to do >voluntary work with the Republicans and their campaign leader would
    visit the party in the year before our election to see how they did
    things. Trump's use of money to send propaganda to different postcodes
    based on polling was a radical change towards the now common use of >disinformation by the Right; the National Party now get that advice
    through Atlas and the NZ Taxpayer Union which acts like a political
    action Committee in the USA - now covering each of the government
    coalition parties here and dreaming up "campaigns' like Groundswell
    that they can pretend are "concerned members of the public"
    Far too many lies in the above two paragraphs to count - the entire diatribe is priceless, it is a perfect example of what happens to somebody who has bben brainwashed and hasn't the intellect to understand that they have been engineered. Almost dystopian.

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