Rich has recently asserted that the TPU, because of the history of
political activism of the founders, are supporters of both National
and the Government. He has also asserted from time to time that they
don't come down on the current Government because of this.

Now this:

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/newsletter_240510?utm_campaign=240507_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers

Scroll past the poll results and you will see a number of issues that
they have with Government actions (or lack thereof). This includes
accusations against the Government of hypocrisy over the MP salary
rises and of impotence in dealing with a CEO who has flagrantly
disobeyed a government directive that all Ministries refer to
themselves by the English name first.

This is all in a weekly update, so next week expect more in this vein.
I don't necessarily support the viewpoints that the TPU publishes from
time to time (it never consults members on this) but accusations of
partisan support of National are just nonsense.


--
Crash McBash

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On Fri, 10 May 2024 14:49:58 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:

Rich has recently asserted that the TPU, because of the history of
political activism of the founders, are supporters of both National
and the Government.

Of course they do. While ACT is closer to a true Atlas Network party,
National are 49% of the Government - they cannot expect to get an
Atlas Network government at the next election without National.

He has also asserted from time to time that they
don't come down on the current Government because of this.

What rubbish - they do not support the opposition - they come down on
small elements of the government - never ACT, but usually identifying
an area of spending that they can pretend is significant - they do
after purport to support taxpayers - by a one-sided view of reducing
spending. Luxon and is an easy target - they know that the coalition
may well implode before the full three year term, and they hope to
increase CT from 16% of the government to a bit higher - that will
require National to have a better leader; Peters will probably not be
there for the next election anyway.

Now this:

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/newsletter_240510?utm_campaign=240507_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers

Scroll past the poll results and you will see a number of issues that
they have with Government actions (or lack thereof). This includes >accusations against the Government of hypocrisy over the MP salary
rises and of impotence in dealing with a CEO who has flagrantly
disobeyed a government directive that all Ministries refer to
themselves by the English name first.

They are distractions that will not really change anyone to support
any opposition parties. who really cares about the ineptness of
Luxon's defense of the salary increases - ACT made no comment and was
therefore not criticised - but Luxon made a fool of himself by
suggesting donating to charity - all the Taxpayer people did was
confirm how stupid he was, by pointing out that giving to charity is
not helping government, (they didn't mention it is still a ploy to
minimise personal tax)

This is all in a weekly update, so next week expect more in this vein.
I don't necessarily support the viewpoints that the TPU publishes from
time to time (it never consults members on this) but accusations of
partisan support of National are just nonsense.

They finished the "update" with a sympathetic interview with a
relatively new National MP! - One of a Series! (and perhaps they will
even do something with Casey Costello - their Atlas Network colleague
with NZ First!)

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On Fri, 10 May 2024 18:58:09 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 10 May 2024 14:49:58 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:

Rich has recently asserted that the TPU, because of the history of >>political activism of the founders, are supporters of both National
and the Government.

Of course they do. While ACT is closer to a true Atlas Network party, >National are 49% of the Government - they cannot expect to get an
Atlas Network government at the next election without National.

Gotcha Rich. You cannot resist the temptation to trot out your
conspiracy theories yet again.

He has also asserted from time to time that they
don't come down on the current Government because of this.

What rubbish - they do not support the opposition - they come down on
small elements of the government - never ACT, but usually identifying
an area of spending that they can pretend is significant - they do
after purport to support taxpayers - by a one-sided view of reducing >spending.

Are you serious? How can a one-sided view of reducing Government
spending NOT be construed as supporting taxpayers? What planet do you
live on?

Luxon and is an easy target - they know that the coalition
may well implode before the full three year term, and they hope to
increase CT from 16% of the government to a bit higher - that will
require National to have a better leader; Peters will probably not be
there for the next election anyway.

Is that sort of conjecture the best you can do? Do you not realise
what stupidity you reveal by posting such conjecture? Do you not have
better judgment than to fire such ludicrous nonsense?

Now this:

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/newsletter_240510?utm_campaign=240507_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers

Scroll past the poll results and you will see a number of issues that
they have with Government actions (or lack thereof). This includes >>accusations against the Government of hypocrisy over the MP salary
rises and of impotence in dealing with a CEO who has flagrantly
disobeyed a government directive that all Ministries refer to
themselves by the English name first.

They are distractions that will not really change anyone to support
any opposition parties. who really cares about the ineptness of
Luxon's defense of the salary increases - ACT made no comment and was >therefore not criticised - but Luxon made a fool of himself by
suggesting donating to charity - all the Taxpayer people did was
confirm how stupid he was, by pointing out that giving to charity is
not helping government, (they didn't mention it is still a ploy to
minimise personal tax)

The TPU did point out that donating to charity is admitting that the
Government supports unjustified spending that can only be countered by
some MPs deciding which charity benefits from excessive MP salaries.
You have no defence to thi8s Rich, as I expected.

This is all in a weekly update, so next week expect more in this vein.
I don't necessarily support the viewpoints that the TPU publishes from
time to time (it never consults members on this) but accusations of >>partisan support of National are just nonsense.

They finished the "update" with a sympathetic interview with a
relatively new National MP! - One of a Series! (and perhaps they will
even do something with Casey Costello - their Atlas Network colleague
with NZ First!)

None of which I referenced in my post. I was careful to limit my
comments to specific content. You cannot see past this in your rush
to introduce another reference to one of your conspiracy theories.

Your post is as I expected - you expose yourself as unable to respond
with reasoned debate without constant reference to past conspiracy
theories such as the Atlas thingee.


--
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In article <2gmr3jlkvql84piq7c3krul428vhu4ob8i@4ax.com>, nogood@dontbother.invalid says...

On Fri, 10 May 2024 18:58:09 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:

On Fri, 10 May 2024 14:49:58 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >wrote:

Rich has recently asserted that the TPU, because of the history of >>political activism of the founders, are supporters of both National
and the Government.

Of course they do. While ACT is closer to a true Atlas Network party, >National are 49% of the Government - they cannot expect to get an
Atlas Network government at the next election without National.

Gotcha Rich. You cannot resist the temptation to trot out your
conspiracy theories yet again.

He has also asserted from time to time that they
don't come down on the current Government because of this.

What rubbish - they do not support the opposition - they come down on
small elements of the government - never ACT, but usually identifying
an area of spending that they can pretend is significant - they do
after purport to support taxpayers - by a one-sided view of reducing >spending.

Are you serious? How can a one-sided view of reducing Government
spending NOT be construed as supporting taxpayers? What planet do you
live on?

Not all taxpayers are interested in reducing Government spending at all
costs.

I don't mind Government spending if it is spent well. I'd rather the
government pay for healthcare in bulk than have everyone take out health insurance whether they can afford it or not like the USA. If the
government has to raise taxes to run the healthcare system properly then
so be it, I'll gladly pay the extra tax to ensure that I or anyone else
who needs healthcare is seen to properly.

From what I've seen, the TPU are also not strictly interested in
reducing government spending. They have a particular ideology which
takes priority over saving taxpayers money.

As an example, they're against road users subsidising walking, cycling
and public transport even though subsidising these activities is the
cheapest way the government can reduce congestion and road users are the
ones who chiefly benefit from reduced congestion. If they were
advocating for taxpayers here (or road users!) they'd be campaigning
against the government cutting PT, etc, funding instead if welcoming it.

If they were to truly live up to their name they would leave ideology
out of it and pursue whatever policy delivers the best results for
taxpayers regardless of where on the political spectrum that policy best
lies. They would represent all taxpayers, not just those on the right.

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Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 10 May 2024 14:49:58 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:

Rich has recently asserted that the TPU, because of the history of >>political activism of the founders, are supporters of both National
and the Government.

Of course they do. While ACT is closer to a true Atlas Network party, >National are 49% of the Government - they cannot expect to get an
Atlas Network government at the next election without National.

He has also asserted from time to time that they
don't come down on the current Government because of this.

What rubbish - they do not support the opposition - they come down on
small elements of the government - never ACT, but usually identifying
an area of spending that they can pretend is significant - they do
after purport to support taxpayers - by a one-sided view of reducing >spending. Luxon and is an easy target - they know that the coalition
may well implode before the full three year term, and they hope to
increase CT from 16% of the government to a bit higher - that will
require National to have a better leader; Peters will probably not be
there for the next election anyway.

Now this:

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/newsletter_240510?utm_campaign=240507_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers

Scroll past the poll results and you will see a number of issues that
they have with Government actions (or lack thereof). This includes >>accusations against the Government of hypocrisy over the MP salary
rises and of impotence in dealing with a CEO who has flagrantly
disobeyed a government directive that all Ministries refer to
themselves by the English name first.

They are distractions that will not really change anyone to support
any opposition parties. who really cares about the ineptness of
Luxon's defense of the salary increases - ACT made no comment and was >therefore not criticised - but Luxon made a fool of himself by
suggesting donating to charity - all the Taxpayer people did was
confirm how stupid he was, by pointing out that giving to charity is
not helping government, (they didn't mention it is still a ploy to
minimise personal tax)

This is all in a weekly update, so next week expect more in this vein.
I don't necessarily support the viewpoints that the TPU publishes from
time to time (it never consults members on this) but accusations of >>partisan support of National are just nonsense.

They finished the "update" with a sympathetic interview with a
relatively new National MP! - One of a Series! (and perhaps they will
even do something with Casey Costello - their Atlas Network colleague
with NZ First!)

You are pathetic. You argue that black is white.
Simple facts are beyond your reasoning ability.
The TPU criticises whatever government is in power, because that is what their charter requires.
Criticising the opposition is not tgheir job, and only you would argue that it is.

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On Mon, 13 May 2024 06:52:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 10 May 2024 14:49:58 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:

Rich has recently asserted that the TPU, because of the history of >>>political activism of the founders, are supporters of both National
and the Government.

Of course they do. While ACT is closer to a true Atlas Network party, >>National are 49% of the Government - they cannot expect to get an
Atlas Network government at the next election without National.

He has also asserted from time to time that they
don't come down on the current Government because of this.

What rubbish - they do not support the opposition - they come down on
small elements of the government - never ACT, but usually identifying
an area of spending that they can pretend is significant - they do
after purport to support taxpayers - by a one-sided view of reducing >>spending. Luxon and is an easy target - they know that the coalition
may well implode before the full three year term, and they hope to
increase CT from 16% of the government to a bit higher - that will
require National to have a better leader; Peters will probably not be
there for the next election anyway.

Now this:

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/newsletter_240510?utm_campaign=240507_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers

Scroll past the poll results and you will see a number of issues that >>>they have with Government actions (or lack thereof). This includes >>>accusations against the Government of hypocrisy over the MP salary
rises and of impotence in dealing with a CEO who has flagrantly
disobeyed a government directive that all Ministries refer to
themselves by the English name first.

They are distractions that will not really change anyone to support
any opposition parties. who really cares about the ineptness of
Luxon's defense of the salary increases - ACT made no comment and was >>therefore not criticised - but Luxon made a fool of himself by
suggesting donating to charity - all the Taxpayer people did was
confirm how stupid he was, by pointing out that giving to charity is
not helping government, (they didn't mention it is still a ploy to
minimise personal tax)

This is all in a weekly update, so next week expect more in this vein.
I don't necessarily support the viewpoints that the TPU publishes from >>>time to time (it never consults members on this) but accusations of >>>partisan support of National are just nonsense.

They finished the "update" with a sympathetic interview with a
relatively new National MP! - One of a Series! (and perhaps they will
even do something with Casey Costello - their Atlas Network colleague
with NZ First!)

You are pathetic. You argue that black is white.
Simple facts are beyond your reasoning ability.
The TPU criticises whatever government is in power, because that is what their >charter requires.
Criticising the opposition is not tgheir job, and only you would argue that it >is.

I have of course not argued that it is. The NZ Taxpayers Union's job
it to get the Atlas Network policies developed by them and the NZ
Initiative through Parliament - if criticising the opposition will
help that they do criticise the opposition - but you are correct that
it is secondary to pushing far right policies. They are doing far
better than the government political parties are doing because they
don't have to be nice to anyone . . .

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On Mon, 13 May 2024 19:26:24 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 13 May 2024 06:52:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 10 May 2024 14:49:58 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:

Rich has recently asserted that the TPU, because of the history of >>>>political activism of the founders, are supporters of both National
and the Government.

Of course they do. While ACT is closer to a true Atlas Network party, >>>National are 49% of the Government - they cannot expect to get an
Atlas Network government at the next election without National.

He has also asserted from time to time that they
don't come down on the current Government because of this.

What rubbish - they do not support the opposition - they come down on >>>small elements of the government - never ACT, but usually identifying
an area of spending that they can pretend is significant - they do
after purport to support taxpayers - by a one-sided view of reducing >>>spending. Luxon and is an easy target - they know that the coalition
may well implode before the full three year term, and they hope to >>>increase CT from 16% of the government to a bit higher - that will >>>require National to have a better leader; Peters will probably not be >>>there for the next election anyway.

Now this:

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/newsletter_240510?utm_campaign=240507_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers

Scroll past the poll results and you will see a number of issues that >>>>they have with Government actions (or lack thereof). This includes >>>>accusations against the Government of hypocrisy over the MP salary >>>>rises and of impotence in dealing with a CEO who has flagrantly >>>>disobeyed a government directive that all Ministries refer to >>>>themselves by the English name first.

They are distractions that will not really change anyone to support
any opposition parties. who really cares about the ineptness of
Luxon's defense of the salary increases - ACT made no comment and was >>>therefore not criticised - but Luxon made a fool of himself by
suggesting donating to charity - all the Taxpayer people did was
confirm how stupid he was, by pointing out that giving to charity is
not helping government, (they didn't mention it is still a ploy to >>>minimise personal tax)

This is all in a weekly update, so next week expect more in this vein. >>>>I don't necessarily support the viewpoints that the TPU publishes from >>>>time to time (it never consults members on this) but accusations of >>>>partisan support of National are just nonsense.

They finished the "update" with a sympathetic interview with a
relatively new National MP! - One of a Series! (and perhaps they will >>>even do something with Casey Costello - their Atlas Network colleague >>>with NZ First!)

You are pathetic. You argue that black is white.
Simple facts are beyond your reasoning ability.
The TPU criticises whatever government is in power, because that is what their
charter requires.
Criticising the opposition is not tgheir job, and only you would argue that it
is.

I have of course not argued that it is. The NZ Taxpayers Union's job
it to get the Atlas Network policies developed by them and the NZ
Initiative through Parliament - if criticising the opposition will
help that they do criticise the opposition - but you are correct that
it is secondary to pushing far right policies. They are doing far
better than the government political parties are doing because they
don't have to be nice to anyone . . .

Rich you are having difficulty differentiating between reality and
imagination if you believe any of this. You are becoming consumed by conspiracy theories - particularly in respect of the TPU and ACT. If
this trend continues you will end up talking only to yourself.


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On Tue, 14 May 2024 09:29:40 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:

On Mon, 13 May 2024 19:26:24 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:

On Mon, 13 May 2024 06:52:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 10 May 2024 14:49:58 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:

Rich has recently asserted that the TPU, because of the history of >>>>>political activism of the founders, are supporters of both National >>>>>and the Government.

Of course they do. While ACT is closer to a true Atlas Network party, >>>>National are 49% of the Government - they cannot expect to get an
Atlas Network government at the next election without National.

He has also asserted from time to time that they
don't come down on the current Government because of this.

What rubbish - they do not support the opposition - they come down on >>>>small elements of the government - never ACT, but usually identifying >>>>an area of spending that they can pretend is significant - they do >>>>after purport to support taxpayers - by a one-sided view of reducing >>>>spending. Luxon and is an easy target - they know that the coalition >>>>may well implode before the full three year term, and they hope to >>>>increase CT from 16% of the government to a bit higher - that will >>>>require National to have a better leader; Peters will probably not be >>>>there for the next election anyway.

Now this:

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/newsletter_240510?utm_campaign=240507_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers

Scroll past the poll results and you will see a number of issues that >>>>>they have with Government actions (or lack thereof). This includes >>>>>accusations against the Government of hypocrisy over the MP salary >>>>>rises and of impotence in dealing with a CEO who has flagrantly >>>>>disobeyed a government directive that all Ministries refer to >>>>>themselves by the English name first.

They are distractions that will not really change anyone to support
any opposition parties. who really cares about the ineptness of
Luxon's defense of the salary increases - ACT made no comment and was >>>>therefore not criticised - but Luxon made a fool of himself by >>>>suggesting donating to charity - all the Taxpayer people did was >>>>confirm how stupid he was, by pointing out that giving to charity is >>>>not helping government, (they didn't mention it is still a ploy to >>>>minimise personal tax)

This is all in a weekly update, so next week expect more in this vein. >>>>>I don't necessarily support the viewpoints that the TPU publishes from >>>>>time to time (it never consults members on this) but accusations of >>>>>partisan support of National are just nonsense.

They finished the "update" with a sympathetic interview with a >>>>relatively new National MP! - One of a Series! (and perhaps they will >>>>even do something with Casey Costello - their Atlas Network colleague >>>>with NZ First!)

You are pathetic. You argue that black is white.
Simple facts are beyond your reasoning ability.
The TPU criticises whatever government is in power, because that is what their
charter requires.
Criticising the opposition is not tgheir job, and only you would argue that it
is.

I have of course not argued that it is. The NZ Taxpayers Union's job
it to get the Atlas Network policies developed by them and the NZ >>Initiative through Parliament - if criticising the opposition will
help that they do criticise the opposition - but you are correct that
it is secondary to pushing far right policies. They are doing far
better than the government political parties are doing because they
don't have to be nice to anyone . . .

Rich you are having difficulty differentiating between reality and >imagination if you believe any of this. You are becoming consumed by >conspiracy theories - particularly in respect of the TPU and ACT. If
this trend continues you will end up talking only to yourself.

ACT policies are probably closest to those pushed by the NZ Taxpayer
Union - Seymour was of course at one time employed by the Atlas
Network in Canada; but other parties have close connections as well -
Casey Costello is a past Chair of the NZ Taxpayer Union and her
tobacco policies were clearly consistent with Atlas views. National
have at least one Ministerial adviser that used to work for the NZ
Taxpayers Union, and John Bishop (father of Chris Bishop) used to be
Chairman of the NZ Taxpayers Union. Some previous members of the Board
include David Farrar (long time National supporter and employee),
Peter Williams (former broadcaster who still writes articles on a
website linked to the NZ Taxpayer Union, and Barrie Saunders - see
recent commentary from him here: https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/barrie-saunders-exiting-the-constitutional-rabbit-hole

Current members of the NZTPU Board with at least past links to
government parties are Ruth Richardson (National), Chris Milne (ACT),
John Boscowan (ACT). There is one other Board member (Chair: Laurence
Kubiak) who does not have a party affiliation acknowledged on their
website . . .

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Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 13 May 2024 06:52:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 10 May 2024 14:49:58 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:

Rich has recently asserted that the TPU, because of the history of >>>>political activism of the founders, are supporters of both National
and the Government.

Of course they do. While ACT is closer to a true Atlas Network party, >>>National are 49% of the Government - they cannot expect to get an
Atlas Network government at the next election without National.

He has also asserted from time to time that they
don't come down on the current Government because of this.

What rubbish - they do not support the opposition - they come down on >>>small elements of the government - never ACT, but usually identifying
an area of spending that they can pretend is significant - they do
after purport to support taxpayers - by a one-sided view of reducing >>>spending. Luxon and is an easy target - they know that the coalition
may well implode before the full three year term, and they hope to >>>increase CT from 16% of the government to a bit higher - that will >>>require National to have a better leader; Peters will probably not be >>>there for the next election anyway.

Now this:

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/newsletter_240510?utm_campaign=240507_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers

Scroll past the poll results and you will see a number of issues that >>>>they have with Government actions (or lack thereof). This includes >>>>accusations against the Government of hypocrisy over the MP salary >>>>rises and of impotence in dealing with a CEO who has flagrantly >>>>disobeyed a government directive that all Ministries refer to >>>>themselves by the English name first.

They are distractions that will not really change anyone to support
any opposition parties. who really cares about the ineptness of
Luxon's defense of the salary increases - ACT made no comment and was >>>therefore not criticised - but Luxon made a fool of himself by
suggesting donating to charity - all the Taxpayer people did was
confirm how stupid he was, by pointing out that giving to charity is
not helping government, (they didn't mention it is still a ploy to >>>minimise personal tax)

This is all in a weekly update, so next week expect more in this vein. >>>>I don't necessarily support the viewpoints that the TPU publishes from >>>>time to time (it never consults members on this) but accusations of >>>>partisan support of National are just nonsense.

They finished the "update" with a sympathetic interview with a
relatively new National MP! - One of a Series! (and perhaps they will >>>even do something with Casey Costello - their Atlas Network colleague >>>with NZ First!)

You are pathetic. You argue that black is white.
Simple facts are beyond your reasoning ability.
The TPU criticises whatever government is in power, because that is what >>their
charter requires.
Criticising the opposition is not tgheir job, and only you would argue that >>it
is.

I have of course not argued that it is.

Yes you have, both directly in the past and indirectly in this and other threads. You are lying.
The NZ Taxpayers Union's job

it to get the Atlas Network policies developed by them and the NZ
Initiative through Parliament - if criticising the opposition will
help that they do criticise the opposition - but you are correct that
it is secondary to pushing far right policies.

I did not say that - fuck off you cretin. Your sarcasm is tiresome just like your integrity.

They are doing far
better than the government political parties are doing because they
don't have to be nice to anyone . . .

Just like you!

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Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 14 May 2024 09:29:40 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:

On Mon, 13 May 2024 19:26:24 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:

On Mon, 13 May 2024 06:52:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 10 May 2024 14:49:58 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:

Rich has recently asserted that the TPU, because of the history of >>>>>>political activism of the founders, are supporters of both National >>>>>>and the Government.

Of course they do. While ACT is closer to a true Atlas Network party, >>>>>National are 49% of the Government - they cannot expect to get an >>>>>Atlas Network government at the next election without National.

He has also asserted from time to time that they
don't come down on the current Government because of this.

What rubbish - they do not support the opposition - they come down on >>>>>small elements of the government - never ACT, but usually identifying >>>>>an area of spending that they can pretend is significant - they do >>>>>after purport to support taxpayers - by a one-sided view of reducing >>>>>spending. Luxon and is an easy target - they know that the coalition >>>>>may well implode before the full three year term, and they hope to >>>>>increase CT from 16% of the government to a bit higher - that will >>>>>require National to have a better leader; Peters will probably not be >>>>>there for the next election anyway.

Now this:

https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/newsletter_240510?utm_campaign=240507_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=taxpayers

Scroll past the poll results and you will see a number of issues that >>>>>>they have with Government actions (or lack thereof). This includes >>>>>>accusations against the Government of hypocrisy over the MP salary >>>>>>rises and of impotence in dealing with a CEO who has flagrantly >>>>>>disobeyed a government directive that all Ministries refer to >>>>>>themselves by the English name first.

They are distractions that will not really change anyone to support >>>>>any opposition parties. who really cares about the ineptness of >>>>>Luxon's defense of the salary increases - ACT made no comment and was >>>>>therefore not criticised - but Luxon made a fool of himself by >>>>>suggesting donating to charity - all the Taxpayer people did was >>>>>confirm how stupid he was, by pointing out that giving to charity is >>>>>not helping government, (they didn't mention it is still a ploy to >>>>>minimise personal tax)

This is all in a weekly update, so next week expect more in this vein. >>>>>>I don't necessarily support the viewpoints that the TPU publishes from >>>>>>time to time (it never consults members on this) but accusations of >>>>>>partisan support of National are just nonsense.

They finished the "update" with a sympathetic interview with a >>>>>relatively new National MP! - One of a Series! (and perhaps they will >>>>>even do something with Casey Costello - their Atlas Network colleague >>>>>with NZ First!)

You are pathetic. You argue that black is white.
Simple facts are beyond your reasoning ability.
The TPU criticises whatever government is in power, because that is what >>>>their
charter requires.
Criticising the opposition is not tgheir job, and only you would argue that >>>>it
is.

I have of course not argued that it is. The NZ Taxpayers Union's job
it to get the Atlas Network policies developed by them and the NZ >>>Initiative through Parliament - if criticising the opposition will
help that they do criticise the opposition - but you are correct that
it is secondary to pushing far right policies. They are doing far
better than the government political parties are doing because they
don't have to be nice to anyone . . .

Rich you are having difficulty differentiating between reality and >>imagination if you believe any of this. You are becoming consumed by >>conspiracy theories - particularly in respect of the TPU and ACT. If
this trend continues you will end up talking only to yourself.

ACT policies are probably closest to those pushed by the NZ Taxpayer
Union - Seymour was of course at one time employed by the Atlas
Network in Canada; but other parties have close connections as well -
Casey Costello is a past Chair of the NZ Taxpayer Union and her
tobacco policies were clearly consistent with Atlas views. National
have at least one Ministerial adviser that used to work for the NZ
Taxpayers Union, and John Bishop (father of Chris Bishop) used to be
Chairman of the NZ Taxpayers Union. Some previous members of the Board >include David Farrar (long time National supporter and employee),
Peter Williams (former broadcaster who still writes articles on a
website linked to the NZ Taxpayer Union, and Barrie Saunders - see
recent commentary from him here: >https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/barrie-saunders-exiting-the-constitutional-rabbit-hole

Current members of the NZTPU Board with at least past links to
government parties are Ruth Richardson (National), Chris Milne (ACT),
John Boscowan (ACT). There is one other Board member (Chair: Laurence
Kubiak) who does not have a party affiliation acknowledged on their
website . . .

What incredible horseshit - what are you on?

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