In article <lb0f4rFpujkU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz
says...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350283601/pharmacist-faulted-not-warning-man-who-died-after-covid-vaccine-myocarditis-risk

This is interesting, pharmacist is blasted for not warning the patient of
the myocarditis risk. Why should he/she when the maessage was thus down our throats that the vaccines were safe and effective.

Also if the pharmacist did the required education then they would have been shut down for suggesting that the vaccine could kill.

Real is quite amazing when you stop and think about it.

Flying is safe and effective but planes do on the rare occasion crash
and kill people. Just because you have a 0.001% (or whatever the real
number is) risk of death doesn't necessarily mean you should never set
foot on an aeroplane.

Driving is generally considered safe despite hundreds of deaths and far
more serious injuries every year but that doesn't necessarily mean you
should put your drivers license in a shredder.

Life is full of risks and *nothing* is 100% safe and the vaccine was not adverised as such. The risk of Myocarditis was not hidden. When I got vaccinated I told what to look out for and what to do if I suspected
there was anything wrong. Everyone was required to wait around for a
while afterwards just in case you had an adverse reaction. There was a
big room full of spaced out chairs someone keeping an eye on everyone
and you had to wait until your name was called before you could leave.

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https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350283601/pharmacist-faulted-not-warning-man-who-died-after-covid-vaccine-myocarditis-risk

This is interesting, pharmacist is blasted for not warning the patient of
the myocarditis risk. Why should he/she when the maessage was thus down our throats that the vaccines were safe and effective.

Also if the pharmacist did the required education then they would have been shut down for suggesting that the vaccine could kill.

Real is quite amazing when you stop and think about it.

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Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350283601/pharmacist-faulted-not-warning-man-who-died-after-covid-vaccine-myocarditis-risk

This is interesting, pharmacist is blasted for not warning the patient of
the myocarditis risk. Why should he/she when the maessage was thus down our >throats that the vaccines were safe and effective.

Also if the pharmacist did the required education then they would have been >shut down for suggesting that the vaccine could kill.

Real is quite amazing when you stop and think about it.

It should be members of the last government that should be held
accountable not the pharmacist.

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On Mon, 20 May 2024, David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:

Life is full of risks and *nothing* is 100% safe and the vaccine was not >adverised as such. The risk of Myocarditis was not hidden.

Oh it was and it was.

and you had to wait until your name was called before you could leave.

Welcome to the Hotel Covidvaccined. You can check out but you can
never leave.

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On Mon, 20 May 2024 22:43:08 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

On Mon, 20 May 2024, David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:

Life is full of risks and *nothing* is 100% safe and the vaccine was not >>adverised as such. The risk of Myocarditis was not hidden.

Oh it was and it was.

and you had to wait until your name was called before you could leave.

Welcome to the Hotel Covidvaccined. You can check out but you can
never leave.

What happened to you, Willy Nilly - were you detained or imprisoned
for not following requirements? Most people though 15 minutes was a
quite reasonable precaution, but I understand there were a few who
made a fuss.

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On Tue, 21 May 2024 09:04:43 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350283601/pharmacist-faulted-not-warning-man-who-died-after-covid-vaccine-myocarditis-risk

This is interesting, pharmacist is blasted for not warning the patient of >>the myocarditis risk. Why should he/she when the maessage was thus down our >>throats that the vaccines were safe and effective.

Also if the pharmacist did the required education then they would have been >>shut down for suggesting that the vaccine could kill.

Real is quite amazing when you stop and think about it.

It should be members of the last government that should be held
accountable not the pharmacist.

The requirement to give warnings was well publicised at the time;
perhaps you have forgotten? Certainly I received warnings, and was
required to stay for 15 minutes to monitor any quick responses, and
reminded of being on the look-out for adverse symptoms as I left.

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On Tue, 21 May 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 20 May 2024 22:43:08 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

Welcome to the Hotel Covidvaccined. You can check out but you can
never leave.

What happened to you, Willy Nilly - were you detained or imprisoned
for not following requirements? Most people though 15 minutes was a
quite reasonable precaution, but I understand there were a few who
made a fuss.

You are so thick, Rich. Was it training, or did you just not evolve?


As you would know if there were not multiple Riches, I never checked
*into* Hotel Covidvaccined.

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In article <664bd1f3.914816750@paganini.bofh.team>, wn@nosuch.com
says...

On Mon, 20 May 2024, David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:

Life is full of risks and *nothing* is 100% safe and the vaccine was not >adverised as such. The risk of Myocarditis was not hidden.

Oh it was and it was.

The risks were not hidden. I was told about it, what the symptoms were
and what to do if I thought I had the symptoms when I got vaccinated.
Now that I think about it I'm pretty sure I was even given a piece of
paper, though I can't find it right now.

I suspect you have no actual knowledge on this subject and are just
repeating what you've read on some equally uninformed website.

and you had to wait until your name was called before you could leave.

Welcome to the Hotel Covidvaccined. You can check out but you can
never leave.

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On Tue, 21 May 2024 03:08:32 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

On Tue, 21 May 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 20 May 2024 22:43:08 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote: >>>Welcome to the Hotel Covidvaccined. You can check out but you can

never leave.

What happened to you, Willy Nilly - were you detained or imprisoned
for not following requirements? Most people though 15 minutes was a >>quite reasonable precaution, but I understand there were a few who
made a fuss.

You are so thick, Rich. Was it training, or did you just not evolve?

As you would know if there were not multiple Riches, I never checked
*into* Hotel Covidvaccined.

Are you trying to say that you were never vaccinated, Willy Nilly? Did
you catch Covid-19?

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On 2024-05-20, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 20 May 2024 22:43:08 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

On Mon, 20 May 2024, David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:

Life is full of risks and *nothing* is 100% safe and the vaccine was not >>>adverised as such. The risk of Myocarditis was not hidden.

Oh it was and it was.

and you had to wait until your name was called before you could leave.

Welcome to the Hotel Covidvaccined. You can check out but you can
never leave.

What happened to you, Willy Nilly - were you detained or imprisoned
for not following requirements? Most people though 15 minutes was a
quite reasonable precaution, but I understand there were a few who
made a fuss.

The few that made the fuss as the Government, and used its power to close
down free speech.

Willy Nilly is correct as the situation changed, the safe and effective
theme was held through the narrative, until it was clear that it was not.

Even now talking about excess deaths is taboo.

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On 2024-05-21, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 21 May 2024 03:08:32 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

On Tue, 21 May 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 20 May 2024 22:43:08 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote: >>>>Welcome to the Hotel Covidvaccined. You can check out but you can >>>>never leave.

What happened to you, Willy Nilly - were you detained or imprisoned
for not following requirements? Most people though 15 minutes was a >>>quite reasonable precaution, but I understand there were a few who
made a fuss.

You are so thick, Rich. Was it training, or did you just not evolve?


As you would know if there were not multiple Riches, I never checked
*into* Hotel Covidvaccined.

Are you trying to say that you were never vaccinated, Willy Nilly? Did
you catch Covid-19?

Oh yes, that was another part of the narrative that a jab made you immune to the virus. That fell apart as the covid boosters rolled out and the virus
just carried on infecting everyone and they passed it on. Natural immunity
is being established without the help of big pharma.

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On Tue, 21 May 2024, David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:

wn@nosuch.com says...

On Mon, 20 May 2024, David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:

Life is full of risks and *nothing* is 100% safe and the vaccine was not
adverised as such. The risk of Myocarditis was not hidden.

Oh it was and it was.

The risks were not hidden. I was told about it, what the symptoms were
and what to do if I thought I had the symptoms when I got vaccinated.
Now that I think about it I'm pretty sure I was even given a piece of
paper, though I can't find it right now.

I suspect you have no actual knowledge on this subject and are just
repeating what you've read on some equally uninformed website.

I lived through it just the same as I presume you did. If you'd been
on nz.general at the time you would have been privy to a large body of information put out by yours truly -- accurate information, as opposed
to the stream of lies/ignorance from our masters.

My question is when (roughly) you had this vaccination at which you
were given such full information about symptoms. It changed over
time, you know -- we could both be right, depending on the dates.

You may have seen this recent article: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/517304/rory-nairn-pharmacist-faulted-for-not-warning-of-myocarditis-risk-from-covid-19-vaccine
in which our masters blame the pharmacy which administered the fatal
dose. But the article says about the ex-fiancee of the deceased: "She
did not blame the pharmacy involved - which has name suppression -
saying it was common practice for pharmacies not to advise consumers
of heart-related side effects. 'The pharmacy was simply following the
practices and protocols set out by ministry of health who
unfortunately did not make clear the risks associated with the
vaccination and that myocarditis could be a potential side effect,'
Wilson said."

So at that time and in that place, such information was not given.
Maybe yours came later.

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On Tue, 21 May 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 21 May 2024 03:08:32 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

As you would know if there were not multiple Riches, I never checked
*into* Hotel Covidvaccined.

Are you trying to say that you were never vaccinated, Willy Nilly? Did
you catch Covid-19?

I was never, and I did catch it once, as your predecessor(s) was fully
aware.

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On 21 May 2024 04:40:03 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

On 2024-05-21, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, 21 May 2024 03:08:32 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

On Tue, 21 May 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, 20 May 2024 22:43:08 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote: >>>>>Welcome to the Hotel Covidvaccined. You can check out but you can >>>>>never leave.

What happened to you, Willy Nilly - were you detained or imprisoned
for not following requirements? Most people though 15 minutes was a >>>>quite reasonable precaution, but I understand there were a few who
made a fuss.

You are so thick, Rich. Was it training, or did you just not evolve?


As you would know if there were not multiple Riches, I never checked >>>*into* Hotel Covidvaccined.

Are you trying to say that you were never vaccinated, Willy Nilly? Did
you catch Covid-19?

Oh yes, that was another part of the narrative that a jab made you immune to >the virus. That fell apart as the covid boosters rolled out and the virus >just carried on infecting everyone and they passed it on. Natural immunity
is being established without the help of big pharma.

I'm glad you spotted that lie, Gordon, I agree that it was very
irritating to have statements from medical experts distorted by such exaggerations from the anti-vax nutters. Of course vaccinations
greatly reduce the risk of becoming infected, and for those few that
still get infected despite being vaccinated the effects are likely to
be lower. The rates of reduction in infection depend on a lot of
variables, but with the effects of infection being potentially fatal,
other precautions were also considered desirable - like masks and
lockdowns and distancing. Those were also needed because we did not
have sufficient longer term evidence of the degree of protection
provided, and different vaccines were reputed to have different
characteristics and probably different levels of protection. But you
are correct that misrepresentation was common in those early days, and
some still push the lies that the vaccine was 100% effective - close,
but certainly not all the way there.

Natural immunity is also a similar fallacy - or as used by the
disinformation people a lie. Yes we all have some level of immunity
from most diseases, but it varies greatly by individual and by their
physical condition and by what they are exposed to.

It is like a politician saying that our roads are safe and then
accusing them of being responsible for a crash where the driver
assumed that he could speed and ignore safety precautions because the
road was "safe."

What we do know however is that New Zealand's response resulted in a
lower level of deaths than we had expected to occur - at least in part
through vaccination reducing (but not eliminating you will note) the
level of influenza cases (and probably other infectious diseases), and
hence reducing the rate of deaths from that cause.

Those that vaccinated were less likely to catch an infection, and less
likely to die even if they were infected. But not being vaccinated
merely increased the risk - Wellington Hospitals experienced an
increase in people with Covid needing hospital assistance during and
shortly after the parliamentary protests , but that was, particularly
with hindsight, only to be expected. Maybe there was a correlation
between low intelligence and being anti-vax . . .

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On Tue, 21 May 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

exaggerations from the anti-vax nutters. Of course <etc>

What a pile of codswallop you wrote, Rich. You should tin it all up
and try to sell it as pet food.

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David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:

In article <lb0f4rFpujkU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz
says...

https://www.stuff.co.nz/nz-news/350283601/pharmacist-faulted-not-warning-man-who-died-after-covid-vaccine-myocarditis-risk

This is interesting, pharmacist is blasted for not warning the patient of
the myocarditis risk. Why should he/she when the maessage was thus down our >> throats that the vaccines were safe and effective.

Also if the pharmacist did the required education then they would have been >> shut down for suggesting that the vaccine could kill.

Real is quite amazing when you stop and think about it.

Flying is safe and effective but planes do on the rare occasion crash
and kill people. Just because you have a 0.001% (or whatever the real
number is) risk of death doesn't necessarily mean you should never set
foot on an aeroplane.

Driving is generally considered safe despite hundreds of deaths and far
more serious injuries every year but that doesn't necessarily mean you
should put your drivers license in a shredder.

Life is full of risks and *nothing* is 100% safe and the vaccine was not >adverised as such. The risk of Myocarditis was not hidden. When I got >vaccinated I told what to look out for and what to do if I suspected
there was anything wrong. Everyone was required to wait around for a
while afterwards just in case you had an adverse reaction. There was a
big room full of spaced out chairs someone keeping an eye on everyone
and you had to wait until your name was called before you could leave.

Airline operators do not have to warn customers that they might, although unlikely, die in a crash. Why should a pharmacist warn people, unless of course the risk is significantly higher? Any idea?

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