• Corruption

    From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 25 10:10:45 2024
    https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2024/05/more-national-corruption.html

    Far from moving to a four year term, we should move to a two year term

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 25 11:34:27 2024
    On Sat, 25 May 2024 10:10:45 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2024/05/more-national-corruption.html

    Far from moving to a four year term, we should move to a two year term

    The facts are that charities have been singled out for support. For
    context, here is a portion of the National-NZF coalition agreement:

    ---

    • Fund Gumboot Friday/I Am Hope Charity to $6 million per annum.

    • Renegotiate the Crown funding agreement with St John with a view to
    meeting a greater portion of their annualised budget.

    • Ensure Plunket is funded to do their job properly.

    • Ensure proper funding for birthing units and maternity care,
    including providing for a three day stay for new mothers.

    ---

    So once again, in respect of Gumboot Friday they are doing exactly
    what they said they would. There seems to be a number or people,
    including you Rich, that have a problem with this.

    I agree that the relationships between donors to National and the
    Gumboot charity are of interest, but when a charity is the beneficiary
    then as long as said charity meets its legal obligations with their
    accounts, allegations of corruption are of significance only to
    National's political opponents.


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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Crash on Sat May 25 03:29:21 2024
    On 2024-05-24, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 25 May 2024 10:10:45 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2024/05/more-national-corruption.html

    Far from moving to a four year term, we should move to a two year term

    The facts are that charities have been singled out for support. For
    context, here is a portion of the National-NZF coalition agreement:

    ---

    • Fund Gumboot Friday/I Am Hope Charity to $6 million per annum.

    • Renegotiate the Crown funding agreement with St John with a view to meeting a greater portion of their annualised budget.

    • Ensure Plunket is funded to do their job properly.

    • Ensure proper funding for birthing units and maternity care,
    including providing for a three day stay for new mothers.

    ---

    So once again, in respect of Gumboot Friday they are doing exactly
    what they said they would. There seems to be a number or people,
    including you Rich, that have a problem with this.

    I agree that the relationships between donors to National and the
    Gumboot charity are of interest, but when a charity is the beneficiary
    then as long as said charity meets its legal obligations with their
    accounts, allegations of corruption are of significance only to
    National's political opponents.

    The Love of money is the root of all evil, as the saying goes. As money can
    but things, including favours, people with money use money to invest in something they see as of value. From the lastest article of clothing with
    the fashion label on it to sex, and everything in between. It is human nature.

    Since money can corrupt ideally elections, and the political system need to
    be run on a budget approved by the people. Not going to happen I know, but
    we need to do what we can to stop things from becoming lopsided.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 25 15:15:12 2024
    On Sat, 25 May 2024 11:34:27 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 25 May 2024 10:10:45 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2024/05/more-national-corruption.html

    Far from moving to a four year term, we should move to a two year term

    The facts are that charities have been singled out for support. For
    context, here is a portion of the National-NZF coalition agreement:

    ---

    • Fund Gumboot Friday/I Am Hope Charity to $6 million per annum.

    • Renegotiate the Crown funding agreement with St John with a view to
    meeting a greater portion of their annualised budget.

    • Ensure Plunket is funded to do their job properly.

    • Ensure proper funding for birthing units and maternity care,
    including providing for a three day stay for new mothers.

    ---

    So once again, in respect of Gumboot Friday they are doing exactly
    what they said they would. There seems to be a number or people,
    including you Rich, that have a problem with this.

    I agree that the relationships between donors to National and the
    Gumboot charity are of interest, but when a charity is the beneficiary
    then as long as said charity meets its legal obligations with their
    accounts, allegations of corruption are of significance only to
    National's political opponents.

    From Gerard Otto's Facebook page:

    Threads of Corruption
    If Aotearoa New Zealand was captured by a corrupt government what
    would it look like?

    In my opinion, you would most likely see a whole pattern of headlines
    relating to hidden meetings with vested interests, electoral donations
    that were not disclosed, conflicts of interest, attempts to bypass
    checks and balances and protections, tearing down of barriers to
    corruption, a concentration of executive power, crony findings by the
    Auditor General, along with unsatisfactory excuses and "nothing to see
    here" excuses about every instance that media happen to uncover.
    The "that's ridiculous, I disagree strongly what I would say to
    you..." scolding - by those trying to calm the farm and surmount
    objections - soothing the suspicious eyes of those who are on the
    case.

    Never mind the "we have a mandate from the election" juxtaposed beside
    "that was then, this is now" - selective morality of the Prime
    Minister.

    Sadly that is exactly what we are witnessing in New Zealand under
    Christopher Luxon's watch.

    Todd Stephenson, David MacLeod, Pullya Benefit, Naomi Ballantyne,
    Shane Jones, Sir Bill English, and more ...all have the smell of
    something corrupt around them right now ...but taken together...it is
    exactly what it looks like...a festering sore...a wound, showing you
    the larger reality - clustered up together ...this is the team at the
    top.

    As you know Todd Stephenson has multiple shareholdings in
    pharmaceuticals companies while at the same time holding a position
    just below the threshold where - Act would be forced to deal with this breaching the Cabinet Manual.

    Act have Stephenson working as an activist to chip away at Pharmac and
    open them up to all sorts of new crony drug access - while at the very
    top - the Chair of the Board is Pullya Benefit...presiding over the
    "nothing to see here" side of things.

    Yes you might say "but surely it's a good thing, and Todd Stephenson
    is listening to those stakeholders who are knocking on the door and
    frustrated" - but is that what is really happening?

    Others say - this is about imposing a more American Drug Company model
    on New Zealand - and Stephenson' is compromised and too close to be in
    there shaping matters - along with having a hand in "writing the
    Minister's letter of expectation" to Pharmac. That needs to be
    investigated.

    At the same time - in mirrored shadow moves after the election - the
    Atlas Network NZ Initiative appointed a pharmaceuticals Government
    Affairs and Market access director to it's Board. Liz Naylor has
    worked at Janssen, J&J, recently started up her own business...while
    at the same time the pet political party has Todd Stephenson in place
    - shaping things with Pharmac.

    Yes the neoliberals are coming for Pharmac from all angles ...and that
    whole replace the Chair with some crony to do our bidding trick -
    might have also just happened over at Kainga Ora.

    The opportunity to get state houses transferred to a Community
    Associations where Private Capital swims is also the place to sell the
    houses off or farm them out to Community Providers - and there's a new
    Chair - a new Board - a lopsided report, written by Sir Bill who was
    sold as "independent" and the half truth narrative about debt but not
    asset values smells to high heaven.

    It's all made more of a stink bomb that Luxon had engineered a problem
    around Kainga Ora's financial viability in his 18 February speech to
    the nation regarding the 10,200 houses that would only need to be sold
    off - if National cut funding from 2025 onwards. Which they told
    Kainga Ora was the case.

    The dishonest dealings with the public and portrayal of half truths is
    rife - and many want to know - so where did all that donor money
    gifted to David MacLeod go?

    Questions remain as National and its pet media hurry onwards to get
    distance away from the festering details just beyond public scrutiny.
    The Electoral Commission now needs to decide if this is an act of
    corruption or an illegal act and if the latter - Police will
    investigate.

    It does not help that one of the undeclared donations given to David
    MacLeod was from a company seeking environmental protection immunity
    for future projects via National's Fast Track Consenting Bill.
    Yes...that is what this looks like.

    Speaking of Fast Track - Pumpkin Head Jones - had that secret meeting
    with Coal Mining executives - and nobody thought it would be the one
    time - a ministerial diary entry should be so important that
    forgetting this would be tantamount to career suicide? But no ...a
    staffer could be blamed...and you get the picture as the government
    minimises the facts here.

    The surprises keep coming thick and fast and we learned Naomi
    Ballantyne - the new Chair of Mike King's "I am Hope" Foundation is a
    big time National Party donor - shelling out thousands to get National
    Across the line...and then Nek Minute - being the coincidental
    benefactor of a procurement free $6 Million dollar per year political
    grant to keep Winston happy.

    Yes that cosy "RFP free" pathway to crony gold ahead of all the other
    mental health providers, while Winston bangs on about the $5.70 return
    on investment for every dollar and Mike King sings the "I had no idea
    about Naomi's donations" song - all feels like you are being cheated.
    It feels like you are being cheated cos you are.

    Taken together each of the threads of corruption form a strong
    interwoven rope that only the most ideological Act and Nat supporter
    can still deny.

    I have not mentioned the bogus rhetoric around Big Tobacco and a black
    market, pseudoephedrine in pharmacies, stealing from the poor to give
    to donors as reward, nullifying Te Tiriti, the broken promise to first
    home buyers, the 80 transitional housing places in Sir Bill's wallet,
    Steven Joyce and his Million Dollar deal with Waikato Uni, Steven
    Joyce on $4,000 per day to set up a crony infrastructure agency under
    Treasury, the appointment of Atlas Network Michael Johnston to the
    Chair of a committee to review our school curriculum, the embedded
    Atlas Network Matt Burgess as Luxon's economic advisor on no climate
    action, the $2.9 Billion for Landlords as Sate house building grinds
    to a halt, the return of soaring house price inflation with the 2 year Brightline and return of Interest Deductibility - followed by massive
    rate increases, higher rents and more homelessness.

    That would be all too much to swallow and nobody would believe it -
    unless it was all brought together into one place.

    If Aotearoa New Zealand was captured by a corrupt government what
    would it look like?

    Threads of Corruption

    Morena

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat May 25 03:18:04 2024
    On 2024-05-24, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2024/05/more-national-corruption.html

    Far from moving to a four year term, we should move to a two year term

    That would allow for more "corruption", or is what you desire as it would
    allow Labour/Greens to accuse the National Government of evenmore
    corruption.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Sat May 25 04:18:44 2024
    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-05-24, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2024/05/more-national-corruption.html

    Far from moving to a four year term, we should move to a two year term

    That would allow for more "corruption", or is what you desire as it would >allow Labour/Greens to accuse the National Government of evenmore
    corruption.
    Yes Gordon. Rich is a true believer, a believer in the rule of tyranny and a minority.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat May 25 04:17:53 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 25 May 2024 11:34:27 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 25 May 2024 10:10:45 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:

    https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2024/05/more-national-corruption.html

    Far from moving to a four year term, we should move to a two year term

    The facts are that charities have been singled out for support. For >>context, here is a portion of the National-NZF coalition agreement:

    ---

    • Fund Gumboot Friday/I Am Hope Charity to $6 million per annum.

    • Renegotiate the Crown funding agreement with St John with a view to >>meeting a greater portion of their annualised budget.

    • Ensure Plunket is funded to do their job properly.

    • Ensure proper funding for birthing units and maternity care,
    including providing for a three day stay for new mothers.

    ---

    So once again, in respect of Gumboot Friday they are doing exactly
    what they said they would. There seems to be a number or people,
    including you Rich, that have a problem with this.

    I agree that the relationships between donors to National and the
    Gumboot charity are of interest, but when a charity is the beneficiary
    then as long as said charity meets its legal obligations with their >>accounts, allegations of corruption are of significance only to
    National's political opponents.

    From Gerard Otto's Facebook page:

    Threads of Corruption
    If Aotearoa New Zealand was captured by a corrupt government what
    would it look like?

    In my opinion, you would most likely see a whole pattern of headlines >relating to hidden meetings with vested interests, electoral donations
    that were not disclosed, conflicts of interest, attempts to bypass
    checks and balances and protections, tearing down of barriers to
    corruption, a concentration of executive power, crony findings by the
    Auditor General, along with unsatisfactory excuses and "nothing to see
    here" excuses about every instance that media happen to uncover.
    The "that's ridiculous, I disagree strongly what I would say to
    you..." scolding - by those trying to calm the farm and surmount
    objections - soothing the suspicious eyes of those who are on the
    case.

    Never mind the "we have a mandate from the election" juxtaposed beside
    "that was then, this is now" - selective morality of the Prime
    Minister.

    Sadly that is exactly what we are witnessing in New Zealand under
    Christopher Luxon's watch.

    Todd Stephenson, David MacLeod, Pullya Benefit, Naomi Ballantyne,
    Shane Jones, Sir Bill English, and more ...all have the smell of
    something corrupt around them right now ...but taken together...it is
    exactly what it looks like...a festering sore...a wound, showing you
    the larger reality - clustered up together ...this is the team at the
    top.

    As you know Todd Stephenson has multiple shareholdings in
    pharmaceuticals companies while at the same time holding a position
    just below the threshold where - Act would be forced to deal with this >breaching the Cabinet Manual.

    Act have Stephenson working as an activist to chip away at Pharmac and
    open them up to all sorts of new crony drug access - while at the very
    top - the Chair of the Board is Pullya Benefit...presiding over the
    "nothing to see here" side of things.

    Yes you might say "but surely it's a good thing, and Todd Stephenson
    is listening to those stakeholders who are knocking on the door and >frustrated" - but is that what is really happening?

    Others say - this is about imposing a more American Drug Company model
    on New Zealand - and Stephenson' is compromised and too close to be in
    there shaping matters - along with having a hand in "writing the
    Minister's letter of expectation" to Pharmac. That needs to be
    investigated.

    At the same time - in mirrored shadow moves after the election - the
    Atlas Network NZ Initiative appointed a pharmaceuticals Government
    Affairs and Market access director to it's Board. Liz Naylor has
    worked at Janssen, J&J, recently started up her own business...while
    at the same time the pet political party has Todd Stephenson in place
    - shaping things with Pharmac.

    Yes the neoliberals are coming for Pharmac from all angles ...and that
    whole replace the Chair with some crony to do our bidding trick -
    might have also just happened over at Kainga Ora.

    The opportunity to get state houses transferred to a Community
    Associations where Private Capital swims is also the place to sell the
    houses off or farm them out to Community Providers - and there's a new
    Chair - a new Board - a lopsided report, written by Sir Bill who was
    sold as "independent" and the half truth narrative about debt but not
    asset values smells to high heaven.

    It's all made more of a stink bomb that Luxon had engineered a problem
    around Kainga Ora's financial viability in his 18 February speech to
    the nation regarding the 10,200 houses that would only need to be sold
    off - if National cut funding from 2025 onwards. Which they told
    Kainga Ora was the case.

    The dishonest dealings with the public and portrayal of half truths is
    rife - and many want to know - so where did all that donor money
    gifted to David MacLeod go?

    Questions remain as National and its pet media hurry onwards to get
    distance away from the festering details just beyond public scrutiny.
    The Electoral Commission now needs to decide if this is an act of
    corruption or an illegal act and if the latter - Police will
    investigate.

    It does not help that one of the undeclared donations given to David
    MacLeod was from a company seeking environmental protection immunity
    for future projects via National's Fast Track Consenting Bill.
    Yes...that is what this looks like.

    Speaking of Fast Track - Pumpkin Head Jones - had that secret meeting
    with Coal Mining executives - and nobody thought it would be the one
    time - a ministerial diary entry should be so important that
    forgetting this would be tantamount to career suicide? But no ...a
    staffer could be blamed...and you get the picture as the government
    minimises the facts here.

    The surprises keep coming thick and fast and we learned Naomi
    Ballantyne - the new Chair of Mike King's "I am Hope" Foundation is a
    big time National Party donor - shelling out thousands to get National
    Across the line...and then Nek Minute - being the coincidental
    benefactor of a procurement free $6 Million dollar per year political
    grant to keep Winston happy.

    Yes that cosy "RFP free" pathway to crony gold ahead of all the other
    mental health providers, while Winston bangs on about the $5.70 return
    on investment for every dollar and Mike King sings the "I had no idea
    about Naomi's donations" song - all feels like you are being cheated.
    It feels like you are being cheated cos you are.

    Taken together each of the threads of corruption form a strong
    interwoven rope that only the most ideological Act and Nat supporter
    can still deny.

    I have not mentioned the bogus rhetoric around Big Tobacco and a black >market, pseudoephedrine in pharmacies, stealing from the poor to give
    to donors as reward, nullifying Te Tiriti, the broken promise to first
    home buyers, the 80 transitional housing places in Sir Bill's wallet,
    Steven Joyce and his Million Dollar deal with Waikato Uni, Steven
    Joyce on $4,000 per day to set up a crony infrastructure agency under >Treasury, the appointment of Atlas Network Michael Johnston to the
    Chair of a committee to review our school curriculum, the embedded
    Atlas Network Matt Burgess as Luxon's economic advisor on no climate
    action, the $2.9 Billion for Landlords as Sate house building grinds
    to a halt, the return of soaring house price inflation with the 2 year >Brightline and return of Interest Deductibility - followed by massive
    rate increases, higher rents and more homelessness.

    That would be all too much to swallow and nobody would believe it -
    unless it was all brought together into one place.

    If Aotearoa New Zealand was captured by a corrupt government what
    would it look like?

    Threads of Corruption

    Morena
    Spoken like the true racist he is and you are.
    What a load of nonsense. If you want corruption look at the last government who pushed matters that were not disclosed prior to their election and who did all possible to give rule to a minority - now that is real corruption.

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