• Not only water, now power

    From Gordon@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 29 04:31:07 2024
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/money/350294030/heres-why-your-power-bill-could-increase-another-15-month

    Stand by for the howls as this price hits the invoices.

    Here we have a situation just like water for power. Maintenance falling way behind until it is totally clear that something has to be done. Why oh way
    can not the Governments os any side sort this out. Maybe it is because it is policically damaging. The public can not see that maintenance is needed
    while everything is working. So we have breakdown maintenance.

    Solar and wind power is not going to help as it is the network which is
    unload, not the supply.

    EV's will make the problem worse as the demand reaches new heights.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to Gordon on Wed May 29 19:44:01 2024
    On 29 May 2024 04:31:07 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/money/350294030/heres-why-your-power-bill-could-increase-another-15-month

    Stand by for the howls as this price hits the invoices.

    Here we have a situation just like water for power. Maintenance falling way >behind until it is totally clear that something has to be done. Why oh way >can not the Governments os any side sort this out. Maybe it is because it is >policically damaging. The public can not see that maintenance is needed
    while everything is working. So we have breakdown maintenance.

    Solar and wind power is not going to help as it is the network which is >unload, not the supply.

    EV's will make the problem worse as the demand reaches new heights.

    While that is correct, increased costs with monopoly service providers (Transpower and lines companies) is inevitable. We are at a point
    where investment is required and that costs.

    Not mentioned is the fact that many lines companies are owned by
    community trusts. I am in an area served by Top Energy, owned by a
    community trust, and I have been notified that $300 has been credited
    to my electricity bill (by my retailer) for May as a distribution of
    profits to consumers. I am yet to see a headline in the MSM about
    this.

    So while this price increase is required, it will not flow to any
    private shareholders as increased profits.

    There is also no requirement for electricity retailers to lift their
    prices for these increased costs. It is likely, but not a given.



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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 29 22:19:40 2024
    On Wed, 29 May 2024 19:44:01 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 29 May 2024 04:31:07 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/money/350294030/heres-why-your-power-bill-could-increase-another-15-month

    Stand by for the howls as this price hits the invoices.

    Here we have a situation just like water for power. Maintenance falling way >>behind until it is totally clear that something has to be done. Why oh way >>can not the Governments os any side sort this out. Maybe it is because it is >>policically damaging. The public can not see that maintenance is needed >>while everything is working. So we have breakdown maintenance.

    Solar and wind power is not going to help as it is the network which is >>unload, not the supply.

    EV's will make the problem worse as the demand reaches new heights.

    While that is correct, increased costs with monopoly service providers >(Transpower and lines companies) is inevitable. We are at a point
    where investment is required and that costs.

    The timing is interesting. Both Transpower and lines companies have
    had increased costs due to a higher level of storms and flooding -
    Transpower had a substation badly affected by the flooding, and lines
    companies also had a lot of extra work. To the extent that these
    incidents are becoming more frequent, additional spending may well
    need to be planned for. The aging of plant such as sub-stations has
    obviously been happening for many years, and there will have been
    ongoing work to maintain it - for example I think we are up to I think
    the fourth cable across Cook Strait for example - and those are not
    cheap. It will be interesting to see if we get more information -
    part of these increased costs may well due to climate change.


    Not mentioned is the fact that many lines companies are owned by
    community trusts. I am in an area served by Top Energy, owned by a
    community trust, and I have been notified that $300 has been credited
    to my electricity bill (by my retailer) for May as a distribution of
    profits to consumers. I am yet to see a headline in the MSM about
    this.

    You are fortunate - in effect you are a shareholder in a system that
    is designed to deliver value to shareholders while also providing the underlying service - we clearly do not have the most effective system
    for a service required by all New Zealanders.

    So while this price increase is required, it will not flow to any
    private shareholders as increased profits.
    Why not? Anything the generator companies do is designed to deliver
    more profits to the shareholders . . .


    There is also no requirement for electricity retailers to lift their
    prices for these increased costs. It is likely, but not a given.

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  • From Mutley@21:1/5 to Crash on Thu May 30 09:27:30 2024
    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

    On 29 May 2024 04:31:07 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/money/350294030/heres-why-your-power-bill-could-increase-another-15-month

    Stand by for the howls as this price hits the invoices.

    Here we have a situation just like water for power. Maintenance falling way >>behind until it is totally clear that something has to be done. Why oh way >>can not the Governments os any side sort this out. Maybe it is because it is >>policically damaging. The public can not see that maintenance is needed >>while everything is working. So we have breakdown maintenance.

    Solar and wind power is not going to help as it is the network which is >>unload, not the supply.

    EV's will make the problem worse as the demand reaches new heights.

    While that is correct, increased costs with monopoly service providers >(Transpower and lines companies) is inevitable. We are at a point
    where investment is required and that costs.

    Not mentioned is the fact that many lines companies are owned by
    community trusts. I am in an area served by Top Energy, owned by a
    community trust, and I have been notified that $300 has been credited
    to my electricity bill (by my retailer) for May as a distribution of
    profits to consumers. I am yet to see a headline in the MSM about
    this.

    So while this price increase is required, it will not flow to any
    private shareholders as increased profits.

    There is also no requirement for electricity retailers to lift their
    prices for these increased costs. It is likely, but not a given.

    Maybe all the money made over the past 20 years could have been
    reinvested rather than paying big salaries etc

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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to Gordon on Wed May 29 22:25:03 2024
    On 29 May 2024, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >https://www.stuff.co.nz/money/350294030/heres-why-your-power-bill-could-increase-another-15-month
    Stand by for the howls as this price hits the invoices.

    Anyone who supports erecting more wind turbines deserves every power
    bill increase they get. Every turbine makes our grid more complex and
    harder to maintain. Turbines should be charged for grid usage just as
    trucks are charged for road usage. With correct grid-user charges,
    nobody would build any more of these worthless monsters.

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  • From David Goodwin@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 30 14:08:23 2024
    In article <6657a9cd.1690971109@news.mixmin.net>, wn@nosuch.com says...

    On 29 May 2024, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >https://www.stuff.co.nz/money/350294030/heres-why-your-power-bill-could-increase-another-15-month
    Stand by for the howls as this price hits the invoices.

    Anyone who supports erecting more wind turbines deserves every power
    bill increase they get. Every turbine makes our grid more complex and
    harder to maintain. Turbines should be charged for grid usage just as
    trucks are charged for road usage. With correct grid-user charges,
    nobody would build any more of these worthless monsters.


    This subject has nothing to do with wind turbines.

    And it has also been pointed out to you many times now that your
    information on wind turbines, as it relates to this country at least, is
    not correct.

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