• Looks like the Government has done it okay.

    From Gordon@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 30 02:15:58 2024
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350290040/nz-politics-live-tax-cuts-locked-nicola-willis-first-budget

    "Delivering her first Budget, Finance Minister Nicola Willis has essentially stayed the course."

    Remember all the excitement of the fiscal hole? Another point for the
    coalition Government.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to Gordon on Thu May 30 20:08:31 2024
    On 30 May 2024 02:15:58 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350290040/nz-politics-live-tax-cuts-locked-nicola-willis-first-budget

    "Delivering her first Budget, Finance Minister Nicola Willis has essentially >stayed the course."

    Remember all the excitement of the fiscal hole? Another point for the >coalition Government.

    I consider that this budget misses the point. The biggest achievement
    seems to be reduced tax revenue because of a one-time-only adjustment
    of tax brackets to allow for wage inflation since this was last done
    in 2010(?).

    Nothing is being done about the bloated civil service and Government
    debt levels. Civil Service headcount reductions seem to be primarily
    based on eliminated unfilled vacancies rather than actually getting
    headcount levels back to pre-Covid times. This signals a lack of
    courage to make the big decisions, and I wonder if this is the reason
    why National in particular are seeing volatile support levels in
    current polls.

    Mt message to Luxon and Willis, in the very unlikely event that an
    opportunity to do so will occur, is that your courage to make the
    right decisions on fiscal responsibility, has been demonstrated as
    absent. What a shame.


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  • From David Goodwin@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 30 21:47:39 2024
    In article <fdcg5jp72ig1hcd8b465g2c7n7b8kjbego@4ax.com>, nogood@dontbother.invalid says...
    Nothing is being done about the bloated civil service and Government
    debt levels.

    Do we know that the civil service is *actually* bloated? I'm not sure
    I've seen any explanation anywhere that *in general* these extra people
    are doing nothing or that the work they're doing doesn't need to be
    done. There just seems to have been an effort to blindly reduce head
    count to meet some arbitrary figure without any analysis to confirm the
    cuts actually make sense or what impact they'll have.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to david+usenet@zx.net.nz on Fri May 31 08:27:04 2024
    On Thu, 30 May 2024 21:47:39 +1200, David Goodwin
    <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:

    In article <fdcg5jp72ig1hcd8b465g2c7n7b8kjbego@4ax.com>, >nogood@dontbother.invalid says...
    Nothing is being done about the bloated civil service and Government
    debt levels.

    Do we know that the civil service is *actually* bloated? I'm not sure
    I've seen any explanation anywhere that *in general* these extra people
    are doing nothing or that the work they're doing doesn't need to be
    done. There just seems to have been an effort to blindly reduce head
    count to meet some arbitrary figure without any analysis to confirm the
    cuts actually make sense or what impact they'll have.

    Civil Service headcount and cost has risen at levels disproportionate
    to population trends.

    https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/research-and-data/workforce-data-public-sector-composition/workforce-data-workforce-size

    Scroll down to the chart on the right under "Public Sector workforce
    trend and distribution". The steepest increase started in 2017.

    National has said that the headcount reduction is not at 'front line
    staff' (meaning those that directly serve the public) but in
    management roles. Weather this is the case or not depends on whether
    Cabinet Ministers have asked for, got and scrutinised data on proposed headcount reductions.

    There is really no way of knowing what effect headcount reductions
    will have. If any Civil Service CEO were to admit there will be no
    impact on performance with planned reductions they are tacitly
    admitting they employed people who were not needed - so that will
    never happen. There is not likely to be any consultancy with the
    expertise and unbiased staff to do this either so we can never really
    know.

    Headcount reduction is a blunt-force tool, but the only one available
    to ensure cost reductions. It is worth noting that private sector organisations use this tool extensively.


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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 31 12:55:05 2024
    On Fri, 31 May 2024 08:27:04 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 30 May 2024 21:47:39 +1200, David Goodwin
    <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:

    In article <fdcg5jp72ig1hcd8b465g2c7n7b8kjbego@4ax.com>, >>nogood@dontbother.invalid says...
    Nothing is being done about the bloated civil service and Government
    debt levels.

    Do we know that the civil service is *actually* bloated? I'm not sure
    I've seen any explanation anywhere that *in general* these extra people
    are doing nothing or that the work they're doing doesn't need to be
    done. There just seems to have been an effort to blindly reduce head
    count to meet some arbitrary figure without any analysis to confirm the >>cuts actually make sense or what impact they'll have.

    Civil Service headcount and cost has risen at levels disproportionate
    to population trends.

    https://www.publicservice.govt.nz/research-and-data/workforce-data-public-sector-composition/workforce-data-workforce-size

    Scroll down to the chart on the right under "Public Sector workforce
    trend and distribution". The steepest increase started in 2017.

    National has said that the headcount reduction is not at 'front line
    staff' (meaning those that directly serve the public) but in
    management roles. Weather this is the case or not depends on whether
    Cabinet Ministers have asked for, got and scrutinised data on proposed >headcount reductions.

    There is really no way of knowing what effect headcount reductions
    will have. If any Civil Service CEO were to admit there will be no
    impact on performance with planned reductions they are tacitly
    admitting they employed people who were not needed - so that will
    never happen. There is not likely to be any consultancy with the
    expertise and unbiased staff to do this either so we can never really
    know.

    Headcount reduction is a blunt-force tool, but the only one available
    to ensure cost reductions. It is worth noting that private sector >organisations use this tool extensively.

    We have been assured that each Minister was doing a line by line
    review of all cost savings, but also that they were leaving details to
    the Departments. Categorisation of public sector staffing is not
    always easy - a previous National-led Government made huge savings -
    they re-classified a group of workers (I think nurses but I cannot be
    sure) as not being public servants as they did not work directly for a government department.

    Government debt levels were not really much of a concern previously -
    the previous Government had kept Government debt lower than most other countries, but the Coalition is borrowing about $12 billion in the
    next year to pay for the tax cuts. See:

    https://thekaka.substack.com/p/willis-borrows-an-extra-12b-to-pay

    From that article:
    Meanwhile, costs of living and direct inflationary pressure will be
    elevated by decisions in Budget 2024 to:

    re-impose a $5 prescription charge on most adults;

    nearly triple the visitor conservation and tourism levy to $100 per
    visit;

    increasing waste disposal levies by an average of $5 per household per
    year and $45 per new house to raise an extra $175 million over four
    years;

    increase the interest rate for students loan recipients overseas and late-paying local students by one percentage point to 4.8%; and,

    re-introducing tuition fees for first-year students and increasing
    overall fees by 6%.

    That comes on top of fee increases and Government decisions previously announced that increase the fees and charges portion of CPI inflation
    directly or indirectly through;

    removing subsidies for bus fares;

    imposing road user chargers for electric car owners;

    increasing car registration costs by 50% to $93.50 by 2026;

    planned fuel excise increases totalling 22c per litre from 2027 to
    2030; and,

    widespread double-digit rates increases that councils have blamed on
    Government funding shortfalls.
    __________________________________

    The most significant two things to come from the budget are first, the
    extent to which this government is prepared to lie about the financial
    impact of their decisions on ordinary New Zealanders.

    Second, the extent to which the government is trying to most to a more
    American system with lower income taxes (particularly for the wealthy)
    and higher charges for services. This is a radical move for the
    coalition, and a distinct change of tack for the National Party who
    have had their people standing for local government (either as
    independents of under some other banner) recite the mantra that better
    local government leads to lower rates. That major and largely
    uncommented on shift in political philosophy can be attributed to the
    Atlas Network - working in New Zeland largely through the NZ
    Initiative and the NZ Taxpayers union, with former staff and
    supporters prominent in some Ministers offices and other advisers to Government. That Seymour has managed to stay strong on a campaign for
    lower taxes while the government of which he is a part shifts towards
    more user pays - taxes for most of us) while reducing reliance on
    income tax is an impressive achievement for a small political party -
    he has cleverly hidden behind a goofy smile and the distractions of
    issues like Free Speech (enabling a lot of distractions) while pushing
    for an agenda that also appeals to the National Party - encouraging
    support from the very wealthy.

    Of the three Leaders in the coalition, ACT has made the biggest
    changes to New Zealand. The pay-offs to large landlords are matched by
    making the poor less well off, distracting the middle class from the
    reality that they are going to be worse off, and the poor
    significantly worse off.

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