“It takes considerable talent to take a party which is polling 12-13%In comparison it takes considerable talent for a party like Labour to screw a country so badly that they were routed, even stuffed by the voters of this country. You can do all the petty stuff you like, the fact remains that Labour went after our democracy and we stopped it.
at the beginning of the year, spend millions of dollars on a campaign
and manage to drag it down to 8% by election night”.
I had thought that ACT had done very well to get the numbers of MPs
they did, but perhaps they have a different perspective . . .
"It takes considerable talent to take a party which is polling 12-13%
at the beginning of the year, spend millions of dollars on a campaign
and manage to drag it down to 8% by election night".
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350302543/tears-and-resignations-after-train-wreck-act-party-election-campaign-sources
“It takes considerable talent to take a party which is polling 12-13%
at the beginning of the year, spend millions of dollars on a campaign
and manage to drag it down to 8% by election night”.
I had thought that ACT had done very well to get the numbers of MPs
they did, but perhaps they have a different perspective . . .
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 11:39:01 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350302543/tears-and-resignations-after-train-wreck-act-party-election-campaign-sources
“It takes considerable talent to take a party which is polling 12-13%
at the beginning of the year, spend millions of dollars on a campaign
and manage to drag it down to 8% by election night”.
I had thought that ACT had done very well to get the numbers of MPs
they did, but perhaps they have a different perspective . . .
Oh Rich you really should have thought twice about your post.
Your beloved Labour got 50% of the party vote and won 46 electorates
in 2020. In 2023 they got 38% of the party vote and won 17
electorates. Now what point were you making about ACT? How much did
Labour spend on their 2023 campaign?
You demonstrate your blind bias for political rhetoric by picking
subjects like this to post on.
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 17:19:37 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>So? What exactly is your point?
wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 11:39:01 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350302543/tears-and-resignations-after-train-wreck-act-party-election-campaign-sources
“It takes considerable talent to take a party which is polling 12-13%
at the beginning of the year, spend millions of dollars on a campaign
and manage to drag it down to 8% by election night”.
I had thought that ACT had done very well to get the numbers of MPs
they did, but perhaps they have a different perspective . . .
Oh Rich you really should have thought twice about your post.
Your beloved Labour got 50% of the party vote and won 46 electorates
in 2020. In 2023 they got 38% of the party vote and won 17
electorates. Now what point were you making about ACT? How much did >>Labour spend on their 2023 campaign?
You demonstrate your blind bias for political rhetoric by picking
subjects like this to post on.
Read the article - tears and resignations?
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 17:19:37 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 11:39:01 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350302543/tears-and-resignations-after-train-wreck-act-party-election-campaign-sources
“It takes considerable talent to take a party which is polling 12-13%
at the beginning of the year, spend millions of dollars on a campaign
and manage to drag it down to 8% by election night”.
I had thought that ACT had done very well to get the numbers of MPs
they did, but perhaps they have a different perspective . . .
Oh Rich you really should have thought twice about your post.
Your beloved Labour got 50% of the party vote and won 46 electorates
in 2020. In 2023 they got 38% of the party vote and won 17
electorates. Now what point were you making about ACT? How much did >>Labour spend on their 2023 campaign?
You demonstrate your blind bias for political rhetoric by picking
subjects like this to post on.
Read the article - tears and resignations?
ACT fell from 12% to 8% in the twinkling of an eye, when they put
forth the deranged campaign position of raising the retirement age
from 65 to 67. They instantly lost 100,000 supporters. I was
thunderstruck because it was such naked hari-kari. This was all
on Seymour.
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 22:08:56 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 17:19:37 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 11:39:01 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350302543/tears-and-resignations-after-train-wreck-act-party-election-campaign-sources
“It takes considerable talent to take a party which is polling 12-13% >>>>at the beginning of the year, spend millions of dollars on a campaign >>>>and manage to drag it down to 8% by election night”.
I had thought that ACT had done very well to get the numbers of MPs >>>>they did, but perhaps they have a different perspective . . .
Oh Rich you really should have thought twice about your post.
Your beloved Labour got 50% of the party vote and won 46 electorates
in 2020. In 2023 they got 38% of the party vote and won 17
electorates. Now what point were you making about ACT? How much did >>>Labour spend on their 2023 campaign?
You demonstrate your blind bias for political rhetoric by picking >>>subjects like this to post on.
Read the article - tears and resignations?
What leads you to believe I did not read the article? Sad for
everyone involved if the allegations are true. In your OP you
postulated on ACT's election campaign - this is inconsequential when
compared to what has happened to Labour as I outlined in my earlier
post.
This illuminates your reason for posting as being anti-ACT political >rhetoric. Instead as I have posted it is an 'own goal'.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350302543/tears-and-resignations-after-train-wreck-act-party-election-campaign-sourcesIn comparison it takes considerable talent for a party like Labour to screw a country so badly that they were routed, even stuffed by the voters of this country. You can do all the petty stuff you like, the fact remains that Labour
“It takes considerable talent to take a party which is polling 12-13%
at the beginning of the year, spend millions of dollars on a campaign
and manage to drag it down to 8% by election night”.
I had thought that ACT had done very well to get the numbers of MPs
they did, but perhaps they have a different perspective . . .
went after our democracy and we stopped it.
On Sat, 08 Jun 2024 10:34:22 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 22:08:56 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 17:19:37 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 11:39:01 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350302543/tears-and-resignations-after-train-wreck-act-party-election-campaign-sources
“It takes considerable talent to take a party which is polling 12-13% >>>>>at the beginning of the year, spend millions of dollars on a campaign >>>>>and manage to drag it down to 8% by election night”.
I had thought that ACT had done very well to get the numbers of MPs >>>>>they did, but perhaps they have a different perspective . . .
Oh Rich you really should have thought twice about your post.
Your beloved Labour got 50% of the party vote and won 46 electorates
in 2020. In 2023 they got 38% of the party vote and won 17 >>>>electorates. Now what point were you making about ACT? How much did >>>>Labour spend on their 2023 campaign?
You demonstrate your blind bias for political rhetoric by picking >>>>subjects like this to post on.
Read the article - tears and resignations?
What leads you to believe I did not read the article? Sad for
everyone involved if the allegations are true. In your OP you
postulated on ACT's election campaign - this is inconsequential when >>compared to what has happened to Labour as I outlined in my earlier
post.
Labour are now in opposition - their views are of interest, but ACT is
of more interest as they are having a more significant influence on government policies than their size would suggest.
This illuminates your reason for posting as being anti-ACT political >>rhetoric. Instead as I have posted it is an 'own goal'.
Own goals are always a problem for small parties see for example: https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350079264/act-candidate-homophobic-tweets-and-why-some-party-insiders-say-selection
That is not to say that other parties do not have selection problems -
of course they do, and the article mentions at least in part some that National had that were blamed at least in part on Peter Goodfellow.
ACT is the political wing of the Atlas Network in New Zealand. They
are further Right on economic policies than National - and to have
influence on that they need to speak with one voice - and Seymour is
it. They were not happy with the recent budget because it did not
reduce the size of the State as quickly as they would like - I posted
an article by Mathew Hooten that criticised the budget from the
perspective of the far right. On social policies, they really don't
care at all provided they don't cost money, and as a small party they
saw on opportunity to take a Libertarian view - when you don't really
care it is easy to tolerate a wide range of views, and that is what
they have got, but they are now finding that it is not always good to
have their pet foibles like racism and sexism and prejudice and even anti-Vaxx nutters too strongly demonstrated - but that is the price
for getting their financial and voting support .
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350302543/tears-and-resignations-after-train-wreck-act-party-election-campaign-sources
"It takes considerable talent to take a party which is polling 12-13%
at the beginning of the year, spend millions of dollars on a campaign
and manage to drag it down to 8% by election night".
Indeed, but the article misses the main point, which today's
journalism always does. ACT fell from 12% to 8% in the twinkling of
an eye, when they put forth the deranged campaign position of raising
the retirement age from 65 to 67. They instantly lost 100,000
supporters. I was thunderstruck because it was such naked hari-kari.
This was all on Seymour. The very next poll showed the expected big
drop of their support. Kidz, not adults, in ACT. Fortunately NZF are providing the adults, led by Winston and the excellent Shane Jones.
On 2024-06-07, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Yes of course. Hopefully not for nearly 9 years or longer which might give them a chance to grow up and forget their childish undemocratic policies.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350302543/tears-and-resignations-after-train-wreck-act-party-election-campaign-sources
In comparison it takes considerable talent for a party like Labour to screw >>a
“It takes considerable talent to take a party which is polling 12-13%
at the beginning of the year, spend millions of dollars on a campaign
and manage to drag it down to 8% by election night”.
I had thought that ACT had done very well to get the numbers of MPs
they did, but perhaps they have a different perspective . . .
country so badly that they were routed, even stuffed by the voters of this >> country. You can do all the petty stuff you like, the fact remains that >>Labour
went after our democracy and we stopped it.
Labour will be back, and once again they will try the same policies in >different clothing.
On Sat, 08 Jun 2024 10:34:22 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>None of which addresses Crash's posts.
wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 22:08:56 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 17:19:37 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jun 2024 11:39:01 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350302543/tears-and-resignations-after-train-wreck-act-party-election-campaign-sources
“It takes considerable talent to take a party which is polling 12-13% >>>>>at the beginning of the year, spend millions of dollars on a campaign >>>>>and manage to drag it down to 8% by election night”.
I had thought that ACT had done very well to get the numbers of MPs >>>>>they did, but perhaps they have a different perspective . . .
Oh Rich you really should have thought twice about your post.
Your beloved Labour got 50% of the party vote and won 46 electorates
in 2020. In 2023 they got 38% of the party vote and won 17 >>>>electorates. Now what point were you making about ACT? How much did >>>>Labour spend on their 2023 campaign?
You demonstrate your blind bias for political rhetoric by picking >>>>subjects like this to post on.
Read the article - tears and resignations?
What leads you to believe I did not read the article? Sad for
everyone involved if the allegations are true. In your OP you
postulated on ACT's election campaign - this is inconsequential when >>compared to what has happened to Labour as I outlined in my earlier
post.
Labour are now in opposition - their views are of interest, but ACT is
of more interest as they are having a more significant influence on >government policies than their size would suggest.
This illuminates your reason for posting as being anti-ACT political >>rhetoric. Instead as I have posted it is an 'own goal'.
Own goals are always a problem for small parties see for example: >https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350079264/act-candidate-homophobic-tweets-and-why-some-party-insiders-say-selection
That is not to say that other parties do not have selection problems -
of course they do, and the article mentions at least in part some that >National had that were blamed at least in part on Peter Goodfellow.
ACT is the political wing of the Atlas Network in New Zealand. They
are further Right on economic policies than National - and to have
influence on that they need to speak with one voice - and Seymour is
it. They were not happy with the recent budget because it did not
reduce the size of the State as quickly as they would like - I posted
an article by Mathew Hooten that criticised the budget from the
perspective of the far right. On social policies, they really don't
care at all provided they don't cost money, and as a small party they
saw on opportunity to take a Libertarian view - when you don't really
care it is easy to tolerate a wide range of views, and that is what
they have got, but they are now finding that it is not always good to
have their pet foibles like racism and sexism and prejudice and even >anti-Vaxx nutters too strongly demonstrated - but that is the price
for getting their financial and voting support .
Indeed, but the article misses the main point, which today's
journalism always does. ACT fell from 12% to 8% in the twinkling of
an eye, when they put forth the deranged campaign position of raising
the retirement age from 65 to 67.
In article <66629ed3.703585703@news.mixmin.net>, wn@nosuch.com says...
Indeed, but the article misses the main point, which today's
journalism always does. ACT fell from 12% to 8% in the twinkling of
an eye, when they put forth the deranged campaign position of raising
the retirement age from 65 to 67.
How is it deranged? It actually seems like one of their more sensible >policies.
NZ super is, as it is currently run, not affordable in the long term.
Its already costing more than education and the cost will only rise as
the population ages. Either the eligibility age will have to rise, means >testing will have to be introduced, or the government will have to get a >whole lot of extra money from *somewhere*.
In article <66629ed3.703585703@news.mixmin.net>, wn@nosuch.com says...
Indeed, but the article misses the main point, which today's
journalism always does. ACT fell from 12% to 8% in the twinkling of
an eye, when they put forth the deranged campaign position of raising
the retirement age from 65 to 67.
How is it deranged? It actually seems like one of their more sensible >policies.
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