While our generation mix is not the same as that of the USA, it is
good to know that battery storage is being found sufficiently
profitable in the USA for developers are deploying batteries at a
record pace.
https://www.ft.com/content/ac126e7e-6c8d-4ba2-84ea-bcada85e5e8f
While our generation mix is not the same as that of the USA, it isOn the face of it a good idea. However, we still have not solved the problem of recycling/disposal of old batteries. Another headlong rush into new technology without a real plan for the future?
good to know that battery storage is being found sufficiently
profitable in the USA for developers are deploying batteries at a
record pace.
https://www.ft.com/content/ac126e7e-6c8d-4ba2-84ea-bcada85e5e8f
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
While our generation mix is not the same as that of the USA, it is
good to know that battery storage is being found sufficiently
profitable in the USA for developers are deploying batteries at a
record pace.
https://www.ft.com/content/ac126e7e-6c8d-4ba2-84ea-bcada85e5e8fOn the face of it a good idea. However, we still have not solved the problem of
recycling/disposal of old batteries. Another headlong rush into new technology
without a real plan for the future?
In article <part1of1.1.TTyG#bNNBQQS4A@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nzOK but it is still to happen. There needs to be something that drives it. Regulation or profit.
says...
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
While our generation mix is not the same as that of the USA, it isOn the face of it a good idea. However, we still have not solved the problem >>of
good to know that battery storage is being found sufficiently
profitable in the USA for developers are deploying batteries at a
record pace.
https://www.ft.com/content/ac126e7e-6c8d-4ba2-84ea-bcada85e5e8f
recycling/disposal of old batteries. Another headlong rush into new >>technology
without a real plan for the future?
There is no particular reason why Lithium chemistry batteries can't be >recycled in the same fashion as lead-acid, and there are far more
valuable things in a lithium battery than the lead, sulfur and plastic
in a Lead-Acid batter making recycling them much more worthwhile.
It will just cost *a lot* of money to setup that industry from scratch
which means volume is required to make it viable. And until recently I
guess that volume just hasn't existed. It takes effort to remove the >batteries from old phones, laptops, vapes and other small consumer
devices and there appears to be no regulation requiring this to be done
like there are for lead-acid batteries. But now that there are cars
driving around with huge battery packs that volume is now possibly
there.
Li-Cycle is one company working to setup a full recycling process for
them, though I think they've been having difficulty getting the money >required to finish building their main recycling hub facility. You can
see a video showing the first stage of their recycling process here
though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2xrarUWVRQ
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <part1of1.1.TTyG#bNNBQQS4A@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >says...
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
While our generation mix is not the same as that of the USA, it isOn the face of it a good idea. However, we still have not solved the problem
good to know that battery storage is being found sufficiently
profitable in the USA for developers are deploying batteries at a
record pace.
https://www.ft.com/content/ac126e7e-6c8d-4ba2-84ea-bcada85e5e8f
of
recycling/disposal of old batteries. Another headlong rush into new >>technology
without a real plan for the future?
There is no particular reason why Lithium chemistry batteries can't be >recycled in the same fashion as lead-acid, and there are far more
valuable things in a lithium battery than the lead, sulfur and plastic
in a Lead-Acid batter making recycling them much more worthwhile.
It will just cost *a lot* of money to setup that industry from scratch >which means volume is required to make it viable. And until recently I >guess that volume just hasn't existed. It takes effort to remove the >batteries from old phones, laptops, vapes and other small consumer
devices and there appears to be no regulation requiring this to be done >like there are for lead-acid batteries. But now that there are cars
driving around with huge battery packs that volume is now possibly
there.
Li-Cycle is one company working to setup a full recycling process forOK but it is still to happen. There needs to be something that drives it. Regulation or profit.
them, though I think they've been having difficulty getting the money >required to finish building their main recycling hub facility. You can
see a video showing the first stage of their recycling process here
though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2xrarUWVRQ
What I failed to menation is the human/environmental cost of mining lithium - but that is another question.
In article <part1of1.1.FRMBH4kJvCZcFA@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nzI don't think anybody is planning, that is my concern.
says...
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <part1of1.1.TTyG#bNNBQQS4A@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nzOK but it is still to happen. There needs to be something that drives it.
says...
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
While our generation mix is not the same as that of the USA, it isOn the face of it a good idea. However, we still have not solved the
good to know that battery storage is being found sufficiently
profitable in the USA for developers are deploying batteries at a
record pace.
https://www.ft.com/content/ac126e7e-6c8d-4ba2-84ea-bcada85e5e8f
problem
of
recycling/disposal of old batteries. Another headlong rush into new
technology
without a real plan for the future?
There is no particular reason why Lithium chemistry batteries can't be
recycled in the same fashion as lead-acid, and there are far more
valuable things in a lithium battery than the lead, sulfur and plastic
in a Lead-Acid batter making recycling them much more worthwhile.
It will just cost *a lot* of money to setup that industry from scratch
which means volume is required to make it viable. And until recently I
guess that volume just hasn't existed. It takes effort to remove the
batteries from old phones, laptops, vapes and other small consumer
devices and there appears to be no regulation requiring this to be done
like there are for lead-acid batteries. But now that there are cars
driving around with huge battery packs that volume is now possibly
there.
Li-Cycle is one company working to setup a full recycling process for
them, though I think they've been having difficulty getting the money
required to finish building their main recycling hub facility. You can
see a video showing the first stage of their recycling process here
though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2xrarUWVRQ
Regulation or profit.
Li-Cycle (and their investors) seem to thing recycling will be
profitable enough to be worthwhile - time will tell I guess. Of course
its still fairly early days with all of this stuff and no one was going
to attempt large scale recycling before there was large scale deployment
of stuff to recycle so I don't think the lack of recycling today is
cause for concern.
I am not opposed to electrification in the slightest - fact is Lithium mining carries some environmental and human consequences. Just because other activities also do does not excuse the fact.What I failed to menation is the human/environmental cost of mining lithium >>-
but that is another question.
People opposed to electrification in one way or another often seem to
bring up the human and environment cost of mining lithium as though the
oil, gas and coal industries have a clean environmental record (not to >mention all the other minerals we mine and process).
No mining is good for the environment but avoiding it entirely isn'tI just want to see some planning.
really an option so we're left with choosing the least worst options. In
the case of lithium it is at least reusable (you can charge a battery >multiple times) and recycleable (even if it isn't recycled right now),
where as the fossil fuels lithium batteries displace are single use.
They're gone forever once used requiring additional mining/extraction to >obtain more.
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