https://realitycheck.radio/covid-stories/
Rich might like to read any or all of these. It gives a reflection
(snapshot) of the peoples inpressions of the Government's at the time handling of the Covid pandemic.
The others of you might also like a read of them and carmly reflect of Labour's actions which of course speak louder than words.
In article <lcv3h3FetU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz says...
https://realitycheck.radio/covid-stories/
Rich might like to read any or all of these. It gives a reflection
(snapshot) of the peoples inpressions of the Government's at the time
handling of the Covid pandemic.
The others of you might also like a read of them and carmly reflect of
Labour's actions which of course speak louder than words.
Due to self-selection bias or other reasons the stories shared here all
seem to be quite one-sided and so should perhaps be taken with a grain
of salt.
I don't wish to diminish how these people feel/felt, just that these
stories are likely not representative of the general population.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:42:21 +1200, David GoodwinTo their credit - it is always good to see people aligned with organisations >that are not politically motivated. Basically, political alignment menas closed
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lcv3h3FetU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz says...
https://realitycheck.radio/covid-stories/
Rich might like to read any or all of these. It gives a reflection
(snapshot) of the peoples inpressions of the Government's at the time
handling of the Covid pandemic.
The others of you might also like a read of them and carmly reflect of >>>> Labour's actions which of course speak louder than words.
Due to self-selection bias or other reasons the stories shared here all >>>seem to be quite one-sided and so should perhaps be taken with a grain
of salt.
I don't wish to diminish how these people feel/felt, just that these >>>stories are likely not representative of the general population.
These are self-selected responses - anonymous, unchecked, and not
really any different from statements to some social media.
I had not realised that Reality Check Radio is <off-air> - see: >>https://thespinoff.co.nz/media/30-04-2024/reality-check-radio-is-still-off-air-but-was-it-ever-really-at-risk
More about the founders of Reality Check Radio here: >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_for_Freedom
Peter Williams and Groundswell NZ both had close links with the NZ >>Taxpayers union
minds, you should know that!
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:42:21 +1200, David GoodwinTo their credit - it is always good to see people aligned with organisations that are not politically motivated. Basically, political alignment menas closed minds, you should know that!
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lcv3h3FetU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz says...
https://realitycheck.radio/covid-stories/
Rich might like to read any or all of these. It gives a reflection
(snapshot) of the peoples inpressions of the Government's at the time
handling of the Covid pandemic.
The others of you might also like a read of them and carmly reflect of
Labour's actions which of course speak louder than words.
Due to self-selection bias or other reasons the stories shared here all >>seem to be quite one-sided and so should perhaps be taken with a grain
of salt.
I don't wish to diminish how these people feel/felt, just that these >>stories are likely not representative of the general population.
These are self-selected responses - anonymous, unchecked, and not
really any different from statements to some social media.
I had not realised that Reality Check Radio is <off-air> - see: >https://thespinoff.co.nz/media/30-04-2024/reality-check-radio-is-still-off-air-but-was-it-ever-really-at-risk
More about the founders of Reality Check Radio here: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_for_Freedom
Peter Williams and Groundswell NZ both had close links with the NZ
Taxpayers union
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:42:21 +1200, David GoodwinTo their credit - it is always good to see people aligned with organisations >that are not politically motivated. Basically, political alignment menas closed
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lcv3h3FetU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz says...
https://realitycheck.radio/covid-stories/
Rich might like to read any or all of these. It gives a reflection
(snapshot) of the peoples inpressions of the Government's at the time
handling of the Covid pandemic.
The others of you might also like a read of them and carmly reflect of >>>> Labour's actions which of course speak louder than words.
Due to self-selection bias or other reasons the stories shared here all >>>seem to be quite one-sided and so should perhaps be taken with a grain
of salt.
I don't wish to diminish how these people feel/felt, just that these >>>stories are likely not representative of the general population.
These are self-selected responses - anonymous, unchecked, and not
really any different from statements to some social media.
I had not realised that Reality Check Radio is <off-air> - see: >>https://thespinoff.co.nz/media/30-04-2024/reality-check-radio-is-still-off-air-but-was-it-ever-really-at-risk
More about the founders of Reality Check Radio here: >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_for_Freedom
Peter Williams and Groundswell NZ both had close links with the NZ >>Taxpayers union
minds, you should know that!
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 20:53:18 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo I am not - that is your childishness showing itself - anybody who religiously follows a politcaql agenda is a fool, you are proof of that.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:42:21 +1200, David Goodwin >>><david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:To their credit - it is always good to see people aligned with organisations >>that are not politically motivated. Basically, political alignment menas >>closed
In article <lcv3h3FetU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz says... >>>>>
https://realitycheck.radio/covid-stories/
Rich might like to read any or all of these. It gives a reflection
(snapshot) of the peoples inpressions of the Government's at the time >>>>> handling of the Covid pandemic.
The others of you might also like a read of them and carmly reflect of >>>>> Labour's actions which of course speak louder than words.
Due to self-selection bias or other reasons the stories shared here all >>>>seem to be quite one-sided and so should perhaps be taken with a grain >>>>of salt.
I don't wish to diminish how these people feel/felt, just that these >>>>stories are likely not representative of the general population.
These are self-selected responses - anonymous, unchecked, and not
really any different from statements to some social media.
I had not realised that Reality Check Radio is <off-air> - see: >>>https://thespinoff.co.nz/media/30-04-2024/reality-check-radio-is-still-off-air-but-was-it-ever-really-at-risk
More about the founders of Reality Check Radio here: >>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_for_Freedom
Peter Williams and Groundswell NZ both had close links with the NZ >>>Taxpayers union
minds, you should know that!
That then explains why you are so closely aligned with the government >political parties, Tony.
Did you realise that the NZ Taxpayers UnionIrrel;evant, they are not politically aligned, you are lying.
has benefited from a number of past (and now at least one current)
Cabinet Ministers, that both Christopher Luxon and Nicola Willis have
ex-NZTU staffers on their ministerial staff (in the case of Willis,
her economic adviser comes from the NZTU).
If yo9u go to https://www.pundit.co.nz/ you will see under the headerInfluencing parliament does not imply political alignment, you are an idiot if you think it does.
for an article about the NZ Taxpayer Union how the NZTU feels about
politics - their mission is to influence parliament; they are doing
very well in achieving that, wouldn't you agree?
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 20:53:18 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo you are wrong as usual, the TPU is not alligned politically and you have never provided evidence to the contrary - you are defaming them once more.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:42:21 +1200, David Goodwin >>><david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:To their credit - it is always good to see people aligned with organisations >>that are not politically motivated. Basically, political alignment menas >>closed
In article <lcv3h3FetU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz says... >>>>>
https://realitycheck.radio/covid-stories/
Rich might like to read any or all of these. It gives a reflection
(snapshot) of the peoples inpressions of the Government's at the time >>>>> handling of the Covid pandemic.
The others of you might also like a read of them and carmly reflect of >>>>> Labour's actions which of course speak louder than words.
Due to self-selection bias or other reasons the stories shared here all >>>>seem to be quite one-sided and so should perhaps be taken with a grain >>>>of salt.
I don't wish to diminish how these people feel/felt, just that these >>>>stories are likely not representative of the general population.
These are self-selected responses - anonymous, unchecked, and not
really any different from statements to some social media.
I had not realised that Reality Check Radio is <off-air> - see: >>>https://thespinoff.co.nz/media/30-04-2024/reality-check-radio-is-still-off-air-but-was-it-ever-really-at-risk
More about the founders of Reality Check Radio here: >>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_for_Freedom
Peter Williams and Groundswell NZ both had close links with the NZ >>>Taxpayers union
minds, you should know that!
https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/the-taxpayers-union-at-eleven
and from that: "Where does it sit on the political spectrum? Clearly
it is on the right and there are hints of an alignment with National, >although it feels free to criticise National Governments – Bill
English winces when he relates some of the complaints when he was a
minister.
My initial response on reading the book was that it was presenting
itself on the pragmatic political centre-right. However, on the
four-member board there is Ruth Richardson, John Boscawen a former ACT
deputy leader, and Chris Milne, a former ACT Party Parliamentary Chief
of Staff. The NZTU does not appear to produce reports – it campaigns.
But the podcasts in its ‘taxpayer talk’ are dominated by neoliberals.
I leave you to judge to what extent the pressure group is a front for
ACT and its ideology."
and:
"The level of taxation determines the balance between the public and
private sectors. The NZTU favours a smaller public one and a larger
private one. That is a policy choice. I’m not sure that it is the
majority of the public’s choice. The NZTU may have won policy minds
but has it won the public’s hearts?"
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:42:21 +1200, David Goodwin
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lcv3h3FetU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz says...
https://realitycheck.radio/covid-stories/
Rich might like to read any or all of these. It gives a reflection
(snapshot) of the peoples inpressions of the Government's at the time
handling of the Covid pandemic.
The others of you might also like a read of them and carmly reflect of >>> Labour's actions which of course speak louder than words.
Due to self-selection bias or other reasons the stories shared here all >>seem to be quite one-sided and so should perhaps be taken with a grain
of salt.
I don't wish to diminish how these people feel/felt, just that these >>stories are likely not representative of the general population.
These are self-selected responses - anonymous, unchecked, and not
really any different from statements to some social media.
I had not realised that Reality Check Radio is <off-air> - see: >https://thespinoff.co.nz/media/30-04-2024/reality-check-radio-is-still-off-air-but-was-it-ever-really-at-risk
More about the founders of Reality Check Radio here: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_for_Freedom
Peter Williams and Groundswell NZ both had close links with the NZ >Taxpayers unionTo their credit - it is always good to see people aligned with organisations that are not politically motivated. Basically, political alignment menas closed
minds, you should know that!
In article <part1of1.1.AsVFXP9u2QEOQg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nzFrom:
says...
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:42:21 +1200, David GoodwinTo their credit - it is always good to see people aligned with organisations >> that are not politically motivated. Basically, political alignment menas closed
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lcv3h3FetU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz says...
https://realitycheck.radio/covid-stories/
Rich might like to read any or all of these. It gives a reflection
(snapshot) of the peoples inpressions of the Government's at the time
handling of the Covid pandemic.
The others of you might also like a read of them and carmly reflect of >> >>> Labour's actions which of course speak louder than words.
Due to self-selection bias or other reasons the stories shared here all
seem to be quite one-sided and so should perhaps be taken with a grain
of salt.
I don't wish to diminish how these people feel/felt, just that these
stories are likely not representative of the general population.
These are self-selected responses - anonymous, unchecked, and not
really any different from statements to some social media.
I had not realised that Reality Check Radio is <off-air> - see:
https://thespinoff.co.nz/media/30-04-2024/reality-check-radio-is-still-off-air-but-was-it-ever-really-at-risk
More about the founders of Reality Check Radio here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_for_Freedom
Peter Williams and Groundswell NZ both had close links with the NZ
Taxpayers union
minds, you should know that!
The Taxpayers Union is most certainly politically, or perhaps more
correctly, ideologically motivated. While they may not be directly tied
to a particular political party, they still put ideology over saving
taxpayer money just like a political party might.
In article <part1of1.1.AsVFXP9u2QEOQg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nzWhich does not, in any way suggest they are affiliated to any political party. Sheesh David, being political is not, absoluttely not, the same as being affiliated to a party.
says...
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:42:21 +1200, David GoodwinTo their credit - it is always good to see people aligned with organisations >> that are not politically motivated. Basically, political alignment menas >>closed
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lcv3h3FetU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz says...
https://realitycheck.radio/covid-stories/
Rich might like to read any or all of these. It gives a reflection
(snapshot) of the peoples inpressions of the Government's at the time
handling of the Covid pandemic.
The others of you might also like a read of them and carmly reflect of >> >>> Labour's actions which of course speak louder than words.
Due to self-selection bias or other reasons the stories shared here all
seem to be quite one-sided and so should perhaps be taken with a grain
of salt.
I don't wish to diminish how these people feel/felt, just that these
stories are likely not representative of the general population.
These are self-selected responses - anonymous, unchecked, and not
really any different from statements to some social media.
I had not realised that Reality Check Radio is <off-air> - see:
https://thespinoff.co.nz/media/30-04-2024/reality-check-radio-is-still-off-air-but-was-it-ever-really-at-risk
More about the founders of Reality Check Radio here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_for_Freedom
Peter Williams and Groundswell NZ both had close links with the NZ
Taxpayers union
minds, you should know that!
The Taxpayers Union is most certainly politically, or perhaps more
correctly, ideologically motivated. While they may not be directly tied
to a particular political party, they still put ideology over saving
taxpayer money just like a political party might.
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 11:43:28 +1200, David GoodwinNone of which indicates an affiliation to any political party in this country. You are still a failure.
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <part1of1.1.AsVFXP9u2QEOQg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >>says...From:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:42:21 +1200, David GoodwinTo their credit - it is always good to see people aligned with >>>organisations
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lcv3h3FetU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz says... >>> >>>
https://realitycheck.radio/covid-stories/
Rich might like to read any or all of these. It gives a reflection
(snapshot) of the peoples inpressions of the Government's at the time >>> >>> handling of the Covid pandemic.
The others of you might also like a read of them and carmly reflect of >>> >>> Labour's actions which of course speak louder than words.
Due to self-selection bias or other reasons the stories shared here all >>> >>seem to be quite one-sided and so should perhaps be taken with a grain >>> >>of salt.
I don't wish to diminish how these people feel/felt, just that these
stories are likely not representative of the general population.
These are self-selected responses - anonymous, unchecked, and not
really any different from statements to some social media.
I had not realised that Reality Check Radio is <off-air> - see:
https://thespinoff.co.nz/media/30-04-2024/reality-check-radio-is-still-off-air-but-was-it-ever-really-at-risk
More about the founders of Reality Check Radio here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_for_Freedom
Peter Williams and Groundswell NZ both had close links with the NZ
Taxpayers union
that are not politically motivated. Basically, political alignment menas >>>closed
minds, you should know that!
The Taxpayers Union is most certainly politically, or perhaps more >>correctly, ideologically motivated. While they may not be directly tied
to a particular political party, they still put ideology over saving >>taxpayer money just like a political party might.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/our_mission
"We are a pressure group not just a traditional ‘think tank’ or
business association. Our grassroots advocacy model is based on
international taxpayer-group counterparts, particularly in the United
Kingdom and Canada."
"When we launched in 2013, the Union was little more than an idea that
there was a need for a fiscally conservative lobby group in New
Zealand. By 2016, we were pleased to have reached 4,000 supporters, by
2018 that was 14,700, 59,000 in 2020, and this year we hit 204,000*.
Our growth has been rapid and that is a testament to how our message
of lower taxes, less waste, and more transparency has resonated with
New Zealanders."
Also worth looking at:
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/our_team
The NZ Taxpayers Union has taken over commissioning political polls
from Curia Research - which probably led to David Farrar de-linking
himself from the operations of the TNZTP.
The NZ Taxpayers Union is clearly not a political Party, but it has
strong links to ACT, to National and to a lesser extent NZ First. It
acts in a similar way to how a Political Action Committee would act in
the USA - see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_action_committee
but there is a significant difference from here in that donations to
the NZ Taxpayer Union from any person are not limited, and do not need
to be made public if over a legal limit. I do not know if there is any >commercial value in the NZ Taxpayer Union sharing insights from
surveys that they commission from with others - it is possible that
some members of the organisation are permitted to see slightly more
detail than is published in the newspapers under the heading of a NZ
Taxpayer Union - Curia poll. I suspect that all of those
organisations have a good knowledge of rules relating to political
donations and services, and as I am not a member I do not know what >information may be provided to them . . .
For an example of one of the better known USA PACs, see: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Save_America
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 11:43:28 +1200, David GoodwinNone of which indicates an affiliation to any political party in this country. >You are still a failure.
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <part1of1.1.AsVFXP9u2QEOQg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >>>says...From:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:42:21 +1200, David GoodwinTo their credit - it is always good to see people aligned with >>>>organisations
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lcv3h3FetU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz says... >>>> >>>
https://realitycheck.radio/covid-stories/
Rich might like to read any or all of these. It gives a reflection >>>> >>> (snapshot) of the peoples inpressions of the Government's at the time >>>> >>> handling of the Covid pandemic.
The others of you might also like a read of them and carmly reflect of >>>> >>> Labour's actions which of course speak louder than words.
Due to self-selection bias or other reasons the stories shared here all >>>> >>seem to be quite one-sided and so should perhaps be taken with a grain >>>> >>of salt.
I don't wish to diminish how these people feel/felt, just that these >>>> >>stories are likely not representative of the general population.
These are self-selected responses - anonymous, unchecked, and not
really any different from statements to some social media.
I had not realised that Reality Check Radio is <off-air> - see:
https://thespinoff.co.nz/media/30-04-2024/reality-check-radio-is-still-off-air-but-was-it-ever-really-at-risk
More about the founders of Reality Check Radio here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_for_Freedom
Peter Williams and Groundswell NZ both had close links with the NZ
Taxpayers union
that are not politically motivated. Basically, political alignment menas >>>>closed
minds, you should know that!
The Taxpayers Union is most certainly politically, or perhaps more >>>correctly, ideologically motivated. While they may not be directly tied >>>to a particular political party, they still put ideology over saving >>>taxpayer money just like a political party might.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/our_mission
"We are a pressure group not just a traditional ‘think tank’ or
business association. Our grassroots advocacy model is based on >>international taxpayer-group counterparts, particularly in the United >>Kingdom and Canada."
"When we launched in 2013, the Union was little more than an idea that >>there was a need for a fiscally conservative lobby group in New
Zealand. By 2016, we were pleased to have reached 4,000 supporters, by
2018 that was 14,700, 59,000 in 2020, and this year we hit 204,000*.
Our growth has been rapid and that is a testament to how our message
of lower taxes, less waste, and more transparency has resonated with
New Zealanders."
Also worth looking at:
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/our_team
The NZ Taxpayers Union has taken over commissioning political polls
from Curia Research - which probably led to David Farrar de-linking
himself from the operations of the TNZTP.
The NZ Taxpayers Union is clearly not a political Party, but it has
strong links to ACT, to National and to a lesser extent NZ First. It
acts in a similar way to how a Political Action Committee would act in
the USA - see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_action_committee
but there is a significant difference from here in that donations to
the NZ Taxpayer Union from any person are not limited, and do not need
to be made public if over a legal limit. I do not know if there is any >>commercial value in the NZ Taxpayer Union sharing insights from
surveys that they commission from with others - it is possible that
some members of the organisation are permitted to see slightly more
detail than is published in the newspapers under the heading of a NZ >>Taxpayer Union - Curia poll. I suspect that all of those
organisations have a good knowledge of rules relating to political >>donations and services, and as I am not a member I do not know what >>information may be provided to them . . .
For an example of one of the better known USA PACs, see: >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Save_America
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <part1of1.1.AsVFXP9u2QEOQg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >>says...Which does not, in any way suggest they are affiliated to any political party. >Sheesh David, being political is not, absoluttely not, the same as being >affiliated to a party.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:42:21 +1200, David GoodwinTo their credit - it is always good to see people aligned with organisations
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lcv3h3FetU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz says... >>> >>>
https://realitycheck.radio/covid-stories/
Rich might like to read any or all of these. It gives a reflection
(snapshot) of the peoples inpressions of the Government's at the time >>> >>> handling of the Covid pandemic.
The others of you might also like a read of them and carmly reflect of >>> >>> Labour's actions which of course speak louder than words.
Due to self-selection bias or other reasons the stories shared here all >>> >>seem to be quite one-sided and so should perhaps be taken with a grain >>> >>of salt.
I don't wish to diminish how these people feel/felt, just that these
stories are likely not representative of the general population.
These are self-selected responses - anonymous, unchecked, and not
really any different from statements to some social media.
I had not realised that Reality Check Radio is <off-air> - see:
https://thespinoff.co.nz/media/30-04-2024/reality-check-radio-is-still-off-air-but-was-it-ever-really-at-risk
More about the founders of Reality Check Radio here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_for_Freedom
Peter Williams and Groundswell NZ both had close links with the NZ
Taxpayers union
that are not politically motivated. Basically, political alignment menas >>>closed
minds, you should know that!
The Taxpayers Union is most certainly politically, or perhaps more >>correctly, ideologically motivated. While they may not be directly tied
to a particular political party, they still put ideology over saving >>taxpayer money just like a political party might.
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 01:58:24 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are stupid - read what I said and if necessary ask a 5 year old to explain it to you.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 11:43:28 +1200, David Goodwin >>><david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:None of which indicates an affiliation to any political party in this >>country.
In article <part1of1.1.AsVFXP9u2QEOQg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >>>>says...From:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:42:21 +1200, David Goodwin
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lcv3h3FetU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz says... >>>>> >>>
https://realitycheck.radio/covid-stories/
Rich might like to read any or all of these. It gives a reflection >>>>> >>> (snapshot) of the peoples inpressions of the Government's at the time >>>>> >>> handling of the Covid pandemic.
The others of you might also like a read of them and carmly reflect of
Labour's actions which of course speak louder than words.
Due to self-selection bias or other reasons the stories shared here all >>>>> >>seem to be quite one-sided and so should perhaps be taken with a grain >>>>> >>of salt.
I don't wish to diminish how these people feel/felt, just that these >>>>> >>stories are likely not representative of the general population.
These are self-selected responses - anonymous, unchecked, and not
really any different from statements to some social media.
I had not realised that Reality Check Radio is <off-air> - see:
To their credit - it is always good to see people aligned with >>>>>organisationshttps://thespinoff.co.nz/media/30-04-2024/reality-check-radio-is-still-off-air-but-was-it-ever-really-at-risk
More about the founders of Reality Check Radio here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_for_Freedom
Peter Williams and Groundswell NZ both had close links with the NZ
Taxpayers union
that are not politically motivated. Basically, political alignment menas >>>>>closed
minds, you should know that!
The Taxpayers Union is most certainly politically, or perhaps more >>>>correctly, ideologically motivated. While they may not be directly tied >>>>to a particular political party, they still put ideology over saving >>>>taxpayer money just like a political party might.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/our_mission
"We are a pressure group not just a traditional ‘think tank’ or
business association. Our grassroots advocacy model is based on >>>international taxpayer-group counterparts, particularly in the United >>>Kingdom and Canada."
"When we launched in 2013, the Union was little more than an idea that >>>there was a need for a fiscally conservative lobby group in New
Zealand. By 2016, we were pleased to have reached 4,000 supporters, by >>>2018 that was 14,700, 59,000 in 2020, and this year we hit 204,000*.
Our growth has been rapid and that is a testament to how our message
of lower taxes, less waste, and more transparency has resonated with
New Zealanders."
Also worth looking at:
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/our_team
The NZ Taxpayers Union has taken over commissioning political polls
from Curia Research - which probably led to David Farrar de-linking >>>himself from the operations of the TNZTP.
The NZ Taxpayers Union is clearly not a political Party, but it has >>>strong links to ACT, to National and to a lesser extent NZ First. It
acts in a similar way to how a Political Action Committee would act in >>>the USA - see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_action_committee
but there is a significant difference from here in that donations to
the NZ Taxpayer Union from any person are not limited, and do not need
to be made public if over a legal limit. I do not know if there is any >>>commercial value in the NZ Taxpayer Union sharing insights from
surveys that they commission from with others - it is possible that
some members of the organisation are permitted to see slightly more >>>detail than is published in the newspapers under the heading of a NZ >>>Taxpayer Union - Curia poll. I suspect that all of those
organisations have a good knowledge of rules relating to political >>>donations and services, and as I am not a member I do not know what >>>information may be provided to them . . .
For an example of one of the better known USA PACs, see: >>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Save_America
You are still a failure.
Now you are being silly, Tony - Save America is nothing to do with any >political party in this country - what do you think affiliated means,
Tony? You introduced the word, I have not used it
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 01:57:27 -0000 (UTC), TonyUtter bullshit and you are squirming. There is no evidence that the TPU is politically motivated despite your many lies to that effect. That is the subject and you continue to lie.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <part1of1.1.AsVFXP9u2QEOQg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >>>says...Which does not, in any way suggest they are affiliated to any political >>party.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:42:21 +1200, David Goodwin
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lcv3h3FetU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz says... >>>> >>>
https://realitycheck.radio/covid-stories/
Rich might like to read any or all of these. It gives a reflection >>>> >>> (snapshot) of the peoples inpressions of the Government's at the time >>>> >>> handling of the Covid pandemic.
The others of you might also like a read of them and carmly reflect of >>>> >>> Labour's actions which of course speak louder than words.
Due to self-selection bias or other reasons the stories shared here all >>>> >>seem to be quite one-sided and so should perhaps be taken with a grain >>>> >>of salt.
I don't wish to diminish how these people feel/felt, just that these >>>> >>stories are likely not representative of the general population.
These are self-selected responses - anonymous, unchecked, and not
really any different from statements to some social media.
I had not realised that Reality Check Radio is <off-air> - see:
To their credit - it is always good to see people aligned with >>>>organisationshttps://thespinoff.co.nz/media/30-04-2024/reality-check-radio-is-still-off-air-but-was-it-ever-really-at-risk
More about the founders of Reality Check Radio here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_for_Freedom
Peter Williams and Groundswell NZ both had close links with the NZ
Taxpayers union
that are not politically motivated. Basically, political alignment menas >>>>closed
minds, you should know that!
The Taxpayers Union is most certainly politically, or perhaps more >>>correctly, ideologically motivated. While they may not be directly tied >>>to a particular political party, they still put ideology over saving >>>taxpayer money just like a political party might.
Sheesh David, being political is not, absoluttely not, the same as being >>affiliated to a party.
Who claimed that they were affiliated? Would you agree that they are
linked? Or even closely linked? Are they "aligned" with National or
ACT or NZ First? Does it indicate any common interests that an NZ
First Minister was Chairman of the NZTU? Is sympathy and support for
some National or ACT Party policies indicated by the number of people
with common links on the Board of the NZTU? Is Chris Luxon affiliated
to the National Party? If so, does that mean he cannot be "political"?
Put it another way - can you identify any action of the NZTU that has
been in any way contrary to that you would expect from a supporter or
member of at least one of the three government parties? Were any of
the Campaigns they ran prior to the election for any other purpose
than seeking a change of government? If you had to put the NZ First,
ACT, National, and The NZ Taxpayer Union in order of which was most >influential in obtaining a change of government, what would that order
be?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 01:57:27 -0000 (UTC), TonyUtter bullshit and you are squirming. There is no evidence that the TPU is >politically motivated despite your many lies to that effect. That is the >subject and you continue to lie.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <part1of1.1.AsVFXP9u2QEOQg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >>>>says...Which does not, in any way suggest they are affiliated to any political >>>party.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:42:21 +1200, David Goodwin
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lcv3h3FetU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz says... >>>>> >>>
https://realitycheck.radio/covid-stories/
Rich might like to read any or all of these. It gives a reflection >>>>> >>> (snapshot) of the peoples inpressions of the Government's at the time >>>>> >>> handling of the Covid pandemic.
The others of you might also like a read of them and carmly reflect of
Labour's actions which of course speak louder than words.
Due to self-selection bias or other reasons the stories shared here all >>>>> >>seem to be quite one-sided and so should perhaps be taken with a grain >>>>> >>of salt.
I don't wish to diminish how these people feel/felt, just that these >>>>> >>stories are likely not representative of the general population.
These are self-selected responses - anonymous, unchecked, and not
really any different from statements to some social media.
I had not realised that Reality Check Radio is <off-air> - see:
To their credit - it is always good to see people aligned with >>>>>organisationshttps://thespinoff.co.nz/media/30-04-2024/reality-check-radio-is-still-off-air-but-was-it-ever-really-at-risk
More about the founders of Reality Check Radio here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_for_Freedom
Peter Williams and Groundswell NZ both had close links with the NZ
Taxpayers union
that are not politically motivated. Basically, political alignment menas >>>>>closed
minds, you should know that!
The Taxpayers Union is most certainly politically, or perhaps more >>>>correctly, ideologically motivated. While they may not be directly tied >>>>to a particular political party, they still put ideology over saving >>>>taxpayer money just like a political party might.
Sheesh David, being political is not, absoluttely not, the same as being >>>affiliated to a party.
Who claimed that they were affiliated? Would you agree that they are >>linked? Or even closely linked? Are they "aligned" with National or
ACT or NZ First? Does it indicate any common interests that an NZ
First Minister was Chairman of the NZTU? Is sympathy and support for
some National or ACT Party policies indicated by the number of people
with common links on the Board of the NZTU? Is Chris Luxon affiliated
to the National Party? If so, does that mean he cannot be "political"?
Put it another way - can you identify any action of the NZTU that has
been in any way contrary to that you would expect from a supporter or >>member of at least one of the three government parties? Were any of
the Campaigns they ran prior to the election for any other purpose
than seeking a change of government? If you had to put the NZ First,
ACT, National, and The NZ Taxpayer Union in order of which was most >>influential in obtaining a change of government, what would that order
be?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 01:58:24 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are stupid - read what I said and if necessary ask a 5 year old to explain >it to you.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 11:43:28 +1200, David Goodwin >>>><david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:None of which indicates an affiliation to any political party in this >>>country.
In article <part1of1.1.AsVFXP9u2QEOQg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >>>>>says...From:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:42:21 +1200, David Goodwin
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lcv3h3FetU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz says...These are self-selected responses - anonymous, unchecked, and not >>>>>> >really any different from statements to some social media.
https://realitycheck.radio/covid-stories/
Rich might like to read any or all of these. It gives a reflection >>>>>> >>> (snapshot) of the peoples inpressions of the Government's at the time
handling of the Covid pandemic.
The others of you might also like a read of them and carmly reflect of
Labour's actions which of course speak louder than words.
Due to self-selection bias or other reasons the stories shared here all
seem to be quite one-sided and so should perhaps be taken with a grain >>>>>> >>of salt.
I don't wish to diminish how these people feel/felt, just that these >>>>>> >>stories are likely not representative of the general population. >>>>>> >
I had not realised that Reality Check Radio is <off-air> - see:
To their credit - it is always good to see people aligned with >>>>>>organisationshttps://thespinoff.co.nz/media/30-04-2024/reality-check-radio-is-still-off-air-but-was-it-ever-really-at-risk
More about the founders of Reality Check Radio here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_for_Freedom
Peter Williams and Groundswell NZ both had close links with the NZ >>>>>> >Taxpayers union
that are not politically motivated. Basically, political alignment menas >>>>>>closed
minds, you should know that!
The Taxpayers Union is most certainly politically, or perhaps more >>>>>correctly, ideologically motivated. While they may not be directly tied >>>>>to a particular political party, they still put ideology over saving >>>>>taxpayer money just like a political party might.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/our_mission
"We are a pressure group not just a traditional ‘think tank’ or >>>>business association. Our grassroots advocacy model is based on >>>>international taxpayer-group counterparts, particularly in the United >>>>Kingdom and Canada."
"When we launched in 2013, the Union was little more than an idea that >>>>there was a need for a fiscally conservative lobby group in New >>>>Zealand. By 2016, we were pleased to have reached 4,000 supporters, by >>>>2018 that was 14,700, 59,000 in 2020, and this year we hit 204,000*. >>>>Our growth has been rapid and that is a testament to how our message
of lower taxes, less waste, and more transparency has resonated with >>>>New Zealanders."
Also worth looking at:
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/our_team
The NZ Taxpayers Union has taken over commissioning political polls >>>>from Curia Research - which probably led to David Farrar de-linking >>>>himself from the operations of the TNZTP.
The NZ Taxpayers Union is clearly not a political Party, but it has >>>>strong links to ACT, to National and to a lesser extent NZ First. It >>>>acts in a similar way to how a Political Action Committee would act in >>>>the USA - see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_action_committee
but there is a significant difference from here in that donations to >>>>the NZ Taxpayer Union from any person are not limited, and do not need >>>>to be made public if over a legal limit. I do not know if there is any >>>>commercial value in the NZ Taxpayer Union sharing insights from
surveys that they commission from with others - it is possible that >>>>some members of the organisation are permitted to see slightly more >>>>detail than is published in the newspapers under the heading of a NZ >>>>Taxpayer Union - Curia poll. I suspect that all of those
organisations have a good knowledge of rules relating to political >>>>donations and services, and as I am not a member I do not know what >>>>information may be provided to them . . .
For an example of one of the better known USA PACs, see: >>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Save_America
You are still a failure.
Now you are being silly, Tony - Save America is nothing to do with any >>political party in this country - what do you think affiliated means,
Tony? You introduced the word, I have not used it
Nothing you wrote above indicates an affiliation with any poltical party - so >you have failed to show political bias in the TPU, again!
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 06:50:37 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo - you did that, as usual, with your lies.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 01:57:27 -0000 (UTC), TonyUtter bullshit and you are squirming. There is no evidence that the TPU is >>politically motivated despite your many lies to that effect. That is the >>subject and you continue to lie.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <part1of1.1.AsVFXP9u2QEOQg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >>>>>says...Which does not, in any way suggest they are affiliated to any political >>>>party.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:42:21 +1200, David Goodwin
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lcv3h3FetU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz says...These are self-selected responses - anonymous, unchecked, and not >>>>>> >really any different from statements to some social media.
https://realitycheck.radio/covid-stories/
Rich might like to read any or all of these. It gives a reflection >>>>>> >>> (snapshot) of the peoples inpressions of the Government's at the time
handling of the Covid pandemic.
The others of you might also like a read of them and carmly reflect >>>>>> >>>of
Labour's actions which of course speak louder than words.
Due to self-selection bias or other reasons the stories shared here >>>>>> >>all
seem to be quite one-sided and so should perhaps be taken with a grain >>>>>> >>of salt.
I don't wish to diminish how these people feel/felt, just that these >>>>>> >>stories are likely not representative of the general population. >>>>>> >
I had not realised that Reality Check Radio is <off-air> - see:
To their credit - it is always good to see people aligned with >>>>>>organisationshttps://thespinoff.co.nz/media/30-04-2024/reality-check-radio-is-still-off-air-but-was-it-ever-really-at-risk
More about the founders of Reality Check Radio here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_for_Freedom
Peter Williams and Groundswell NZ both had close links with the NZ >>>>>> >Taxpayers union
that are not politically motivated. Basically, political alignment menas >>>>>>closed
minds, you should know that!
The Taxpayers Union is most certainly politically, or perhaps more >>>>>correctly, ideologically motivated. While they may not be directly tied >>>>>to a particular political party, they still put ideology over saving >>>>>taxpayer money just like a political party might.
Sheesh David, being political is not, absoluttely not, the same as being >>>>affiliated to a party.
Who claimed that they were affiliated? Would you agree that they are >>>linked? Or even closely linked? Are they "aligned" with National or
ACT or NZ First? Does it indicate any common interests that an NZ
First Minister was Chairman of the NZTU? Is sympathy and support for
some National or ACT Party policies indicated by the number of people >>>with common links on the Board of the NZTU? Is Chris Luxon affiliated
to the National Party? If so, does that mean he cannot be "political"?
Put it another way - can you identify any action of the NZTU that has >>>been in any way contrary to that you would expect from a supporter or >>>member of at least one of the three government parties? Were any of
the Campaigns they ran prior to the election for any other purpose
than seeking a change of government? If you had to put the NZ First, >>>ACT, National, and The NZ Taxpayer Union in order of which was most >>>influential in obtaining a change of government, what would that order >>>be?
Try reading : https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/our_mission
You have not shown any lie from anyone, Tony, but if you think about
it you will see that your assertions are just that, unsupported
statements of what you would like to believe rather than what is fact.
But you have successfully twisted the thread away from the
embarrassing outpourings from the now possibly failed "Reality Check
Radio" and the linked organisation "Voices for Freedom"
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 06:44:03 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are a fool iof you think your silliness impresses anybody.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 01:58:24 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are stupid - read what I said and if necessary ask a 5 year old to >>explain
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 11:43:28 +1200, David Goodwin >>>>><david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:None of which indicates an affiliation to any political party in this >>>>country.
In article <part1of1.1.AsVFXP9u2QEOQg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >>>>>>says...From:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:42:21 +1200, David Goodwin
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lcv3h3FetU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz >>>>>>> >>says...These are self-selected responses - anonymous, unchecked, and not >>>>>>> >really any different from statements to some social media.
https://realitycheck.radio/covid-stories/
Rich might like to read any or all of these. It gives a reflection >>>>>>> >>> (snapshot) of the peoples inpressions of the Government's at the >>>>>>> >>>time
handling of the Covid pandemic.
The others of you might also like a read of them and carmly reflect >>>>>>> >>>of
Labour's actions which of course speak louder than words.
Due to self-selection bias or other reasons the stories shared here >>>>>>> >>all
seem to be quite one-sided and so should perhaps be taken with a >>>>>>> >>grain
of salt.
I don't wish to diminish how these people feel/felt, just that these >>>>>>> >>stories are likely not representative of the general population. >>>>>>> >
I had not realised that Reality Check Radio is <off-air> - see: >>>>>>>
To their credit - it is always good to see people aligned with >>>>>>>organisationshttps://thespinoff.co.nz/media/30-04-2024/reality-check-radio-is-still-off-air-but-was-it-ever-really-at-risk
More about the founders of Reality Check Radio here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_for_Freedom
Peter Williams and Groundswell NZ both had close links with the NZ >>>>>>> >Taxpayers union
that are not politically motivated. Basically, political alignment >>>>>>>menas
closed
minds, you should know that!
The Taxpayers Union is most certainly politically, or perhaps more >>>>>>correctly, ideologically motivated. While they may not be directly tied >>>>>>to a particular political party, they still put ideology over saving >>>>>>taxpayer money just like a political party might.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/our_mission
"We are a pressure group not just a traditional ‘think tank’ or >>>>>business association. Our grassroots advocacy model is based on >>>>>international taxpayer-group counterparts, particularly in the United >>>>>Kingdom and Canada."
"When we launched in 2013, the Union was little more than an idea that >>>>>there was a need for a fiscally conservative lobby group in New >>>>>Zealand. By 2016, we were pleased to have reached 4,000 supporters, by >>>>>2018 that was 14,700, 59,000 in 2020, and this year we hit 204,000*. >>>>>Our growth has been rapid and that is a testament to how our message >>>>>of lower taxes, less waste, and more transparency has resonated with >>>>>New Zealanders."
Also worth looking at:
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/our_team
The NZ Taxpayers Union has taken over commissioning political polls >>>>>from Curia Research - which probably led to David Farrar de-linking >>>>>himself from the operations of the TNZTP.
The NZ Taxpayers Union is clearly not a political Party, but it has >>>>>strong links to ACT, to National and to a lesser extent NZ First. It >>>>>acts in a similar way to how a Political Action Committee would act in >>>>>the USA - see >>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_action_committee
but there is a significant difference from here in that donations to >>>>>the NZ Taxpayer Union from any person are not limited, and do not need >>>>>to be made public if over a legal limit. I do not know if there is any >>>>>commercial value in the NZ Taxpayer Union sharing insights from >>>>>surveys that they commission from with others - it is possible that >>>>>some members of the organisation are permitted to see slightly more >>>>>detail than is published in the newspapers under the heading of a NZ >>>>>Taxpayer Union - Curia poll. I suspect that all of those >>>>>organisations have a good knowledge of rules relating to political >>>>>donations and services, and as I am not a member I do not know what >>>>>information may be provided to them . . .
For an example of one of the better known USA PACs, see: >>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Save_America
You are still a failure.
Now you are being silly, Tony - Save America is nothing to do with any >>>political party in this country - what do you think affiliated means, >>>Tony? You introduced the word, I have not used it
it to you.
Nothing you wrote above indicates an affiliation with any poltical party - so >>you have failed to show political bias in the TPU, again!
Nobody but you has referred to any "affiliation", and it is not clear
what you mean by that term anyway. Are you arguing against your own
posts, Tony?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You are wrong again (and not just the spelling).
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 06:44:03 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are a fool iof you think your silliness impresses anybody.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 01:58:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You are stupid - read what I said and if necessary ask a 5 year old to >>>explain
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 11:43:28 +1200, David Goodwin >>>>>><david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:None of which indicates an affiliation to any political party in this >>>>>country.
In article <part1of1.1.AsVFXP9u2QEOQg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >>>>>>>says...From:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:42:21 +1200, David Goodwin
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lcv3h3FetU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz >>>>>>>> >>says...These are self-selected responses - anonymous, unchecked, and not >>>>>>>> >really any different from statements to some social media.
https://realitycheck.radio/covid-stories/
Rich might like to read any or all of these. It gives a reflection >>>>>>>> >>> (snapshot) of the peoples inpressions of the Government's at the >>>>>>>> >>>time
handling of the Covid pandemic.
The others of you might also like a read of them and carmly reflect
of
Labour's actions which of course speak louder than words.
Due to self-selection bias or other reasons the stories shared here >>>>>>>> >>all
seem to be quite one-sided and so should perhaps be taken with a >>>>>>>> >>grain
of salt.
I don't wish to diminish how these people feel/felt, just that these >>>>>>>> >>stories are likely not representative of the general population. >>>>>>>> >
I had not realised that Reality Check Radio is <off-air> - see: >>>>>>>>
To their credit - it is always good to see people aligned with >>>>>>>>organisationshttps://thespinoff.co.nz/media/30-04-2024/reality-check-radio-is-still-off-air-but-was-it-ever-really-at-risk
More about the founders of Reality Check Radio here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_for_Freedom
Peter Williams and Groundswell NZ both had close links with the NZ >>>>>>>> >Taxpayers union
that are not politically motivated. Basically, political alignment >>>>>>>>menas
closed
minds, you should know that!
The Taxpayers Union is most certainly politically, or perhaps more >>>>>>>correctly, ideologically motivated. While they may not be directly tied >>>>>>>to a particular political party, they still put ideology over saving >>>>>>>taxpayer money just like a political party might.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/our_mission
"We are a pressure group not just a traditional ‘think tank’ or >>>>>>business association. Our grassroots advocacy model is based on >>>>>>international taxpayer-group counterparts, particularly in the United >>>>>>Kingdom and Canada."
"When we launched in 2013, the Union was little more than an idea that >>>>>>there was a need for a fiscally conservative lobby group in New >>>>>>Zealand. By 2016, we were pleased to have reached 4,000 supporters, by >>>>>>2018 that was 14,700, 59,000 in 2020, and this year we hit 204,000*. >>>>>>Our growth has been rapid and that is a testament to how our message >>>>>>of lower taxes, less waste, and more transparency has resonated with >>>>>>New Zealanders."
Also worth looking at:
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/our_team
The NZ Taxpayers Union has taken over commissioning political polls >>>>>>from Curia Research - which probably led to David Farrar de-linking >>>>>>himself from the operations of the TNZTP.
The NZ Taxpayers Union is clearly not a political Party, but it has >>>>>>strong links to ACT, to National and to a lesser extent NZ First. It >>>>>>acts in a similar way to how a Political Action Committee would act in >>>>>>the USA - see >>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_action_committee
but there is a significant difference from here in that donations to >>>>>>the NZ Taxpayer Union from any person are not limited, and do not need >>>>>>to be made public if over a legal limit. I do not know if there is any >>>>>>commercial value in the NZ Taxpayer Union sharing insights from >>>>>>surveys that they commission from with others - it is possible that >>>>>>some members of the organisation are permitted to see slightly more >>>>>>detail than is published in the newspapers under the heading of a NZ >>>>>>Taxpayer Union - Curia poll. I suspect that all of those >>>>>>organisations have a good knowledge of rules relating to political >>>>>>donations and services, and as I am not a member I do not know what >>>>>>information may be provided to them . . .
For an example of one of the better known USA PACs, see: >>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Save_America
You are still a failure.
Now you are being silly, Tony - Save America is nothing to do with any >>>>political party in this country - what do you think affiliated means, >>>>Tony? You introduced the word, I have not used it
it to you.
Nothing you wrote above indicates an affiliation with any poltical party - so
you have failed to show political bias in the TPU, again!
Nobody but you has referred to any "affiliation", and it is not clear
what you mean by that term anyway. Are you arguing against your own
posts, Tony?
You have for years argued that the TPU is affgiliated with National. That was >and is a lie. Simple to all but you.
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 20:51:58 -0000 (UTC), TonySo you say with no evidence. I am correct, you are a lying piece of scum.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You are wrong again (and not just the spelling).
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 06:44:03 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are a fool iof you think your silliness impresses anybody.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 01:58:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You are stupid - read what I said and if necessary ask a 5 year old to >>>>explain
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 11:43:28 +1200, David Goodwin >>>>>>><david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:None of which indicates an affiliation to any political party in this >>>>>>country.
In article <part1of1.1.AsVFXP9u2QEOQg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >>>>>>>>says...From:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:42:21 +1200, David Goodwin
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lcv3h3FetU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz >>>>>>>>> >>says...These are self-selected responses - anonymous, unchecked, and not >>>>>>>>> >really any different from statements to some social media.
Due to self-selection bias or other reasons the stories shared here >>>>>>>>> >>all
https://realitycheck.radio/covid-stories/
Rich might like to read any or all of these. It gives a reflection
(snapshot) of the peoples inpressions of the Government's at the >>>>>>>>> >>>time
handling of the Covid pandemic.
The others of you might also like a read of them and carmly >>>>>>>>> >>>reflect
of
Labour's actions which of course speak louder than words. >>>>>>>>> >>
seem to be quite one-sided and so should perhaps be taken with a >>>>>>>>> >>grain
of salt.
I don't wish to diminish how these people feel/felt, just that >>>>>>>>> >>these
stories are likely not representative of the general population. >>>>>>>>> >
I had not realised that Reality Check Radio is <off-air> - see: >>>>>>>>>
To their credit - it is always good to see people aligned with >>>>>>>>>organisationshttps://thespinoff.co.nz/media/30-04-2024/reality-check-radio-is-still-off-air-but-was-it-ever-really-at-risk
More about the founders of Reality Check Radio here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_for_Freedom
Peter Williams and Groundswell NZ both had close links with the NZ >>>>>>>>> >Taxpayers union
that are not politically motivated. Basically, political alignment >>>>>>>>>menas
closed
minds, you should know that!
The Taxpayers Union is most certainly politically, or perhaps more >>>>>>>>correctly, ideologically motivated. While they may not be directly tied >>>>>>>>to a particular political party, they still put ideology over saving >>>>>>>>taxpayer money just like a political party might.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/our_mission
"We are a pressure group not just a traditional ‘think tank’ or >>>>>>>business association. Our grassroots advocacy model is based on >>>>>>>international taxpayer-group counterparts, particularly in the United >>>>>>>Kingdom and Canada."
"When we launched in 2013, the Union was little more than an idea that >>>>>>>there was a need for a fiscally conservative lobby group in New >>>>>>>Zealand. By 2016, we were pleased to have reached 4,000 supporters, by >>>>>>>2018 that was 14,700, 59,000 in 2020, and this year we hit 204,000*. >>>>>>>Our growth has been rapid and that is a testament to how our message >>>>>>>of lower taxes, less waste, and more transparency has resonated with >>>>>>>New Zealanders."
Also worth looking at:
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/our_team
The NZ Taxpayers Union has taken over commissioning political polls >>>>>>>from Curia Research - which probably led to David Farrar de-linking >>>>>>>himself from the operations of the TNZTP.
The NZ Taxpayers Union is clearly not a political Party, but it has >>>>>>>strong links to ACT, to National and to a lesser extent NZ First. It >>>>>>>acts in a similar way to how a Political Action Committee would act in >>>>>>>the USA - see >>>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_action_committee
but there is a significant difference from here in that donations to >>>>>>>the NZ Taxpayer Union from any person are not limited, and do not need >>>>>>>to be made public if over a legal limit. I do not know if there is any >>>>>>>commercial value in the NZ Taxpayer Union sharing insights from >>>>>>>surveys that they commission from with others - it is possible that >>>>>>>some members of the organisation are permitted to see slightly more >>>>>>>detail than is published in the newspapers under the heading of a NZ >>>>>>>Taxpayer Union - Curia poll. I suspect that all of those >>>>>>>organisations have a good knowledge of rules relating to political >>>>>>>donations and services, and as I am not a member I do not know what >>>>>>>information may be provided to them . . .
For an example of one of the better known USA PACs, see: >>>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Save_America
You are still a failure.
Now you are being silly, Tony - Save America is nothing to do with any >>>>>political party in this country - what do you think affiliated means, >>>>>Tony? You introduced the word, I have not used it
it to you.
Nothing you wrote above indicates an affiliation with any poltical party - >>>>so
you have failed to show political bias in the TPU, again!
Nobody but you has referred to any "affiliation", and it is not clear >>>what you mean by that term anyway. Are you arguing against your own >>>posts, Tony?
You have for years argued that the TPU is affgiliated with National. That was >>and is a lie. Simple to all but you.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 20:51:58 -0000 (UTC), TonySo you say with no evidence. I am correct, you are a lying piece of scum.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You are wrong again (and not just the spelling).
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 06:44:03 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You are a fool iof you think your silliness impresses anybody.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 01:58:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You are stupid - read what I said and if necessary ask a 5 year old to >>>>>explain
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 11:43:28 +1200, David Goodwin >>>>>>>><david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:None of which indicates an affiliation to any political party in this >>>>>>>country.
In article <part1of1.1.AsVFXP9u2QEOQg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >>>>>>>>>says...From:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:42:21 +1200, David Goodwin
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lcv3h3FetU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz >>>>>>>>>> >>says...These are self-selected responses - anonymous, unchecked, and not >>>>>>>>>> >really any different from statements to some social media. >>>>>>>>>> >
Due to self-selection bias or other reasons the stories shared here
https://realitycheck.radio/covid-stories/
Rich might like to read any or all of these. It gives a reflection
(snapshot) of the peoples inpressions of the Government's at the >>>>>>>>>> >>>time
handling of the Covid pandemic.
The others of you might also like a read of them and carmly >>>>>>>>>> >>>reflect
of
Labour's actions which of course speak louder than words. >>>>>>>>>> >>
all
seem to be quite one-sided and so should perhaps be taken with a >>>>>>>>>> >>grain
of salt.
I don't wish to diminish how these people feel/felt, just that >>>>>>>>>> >>these
stories are likely not representative of the general population. >>>>>>>>>> >
I had not realised that Reality Check Radio is <off-air> - see: >>>>>>>>>>
To their credit - it is always good to see people aligned with >>>>>>>>>>organisationshttps://thespinoff.co.nz/media/30-04-2024/reality-check-radio-is-still-off-air-but-was-it-ever-really-at-risk
More about the founders of Reality Check Radio here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_for_Freedom
Peter Williams and Groundswell NZ both had close links with the NZ >>>>>>>>>> >Taxpayers union
that are not politically motivated. Basically, political alignment >>>>>>>>>>menas
closed
minds, you should know that!
The Taxpayers Union is most certainly politically, or perhaps more >>>>>>>>>correctly, ideologically motivated. While they may not be directly tied
to a particular political party, they still put ideology over saving >>>>>>>>>taxpayer money just like a political party might.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/our_mission
"We are a pressure group not just a traditional ‘think tank’ or >>>>>>>>business association. Our grassroots advocacy model is based on >>>>>>>>international taxpayer-group counterparts, particularly in the United >>>>>>>>Kingdom and Canada."
"When we launched in 2013, the Union was little more than an idea that >>>>>>>>there was a need for a fiscally conservative lobby group in New >>>>>>>>Zealand. By 2016, we were pleased to have reached 4,000 supporters, by >>>>>>>>2018 that was 14,700, 59,000 in 2020, and this year we hit 204,000*. >>>>>>>>Our growth has been rapid and that is a testament to how our message >>>>>>>>of lower taxes, less waste, and more transparency has resonated with >>>>>>>>New Zealanders."
Also worth looking at:
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/our_team
The NZ Taxpayers Union has taken over commissioning political polls >>>>>>>>from Curia Research - which probably led to David Farrar de-linking >>>>>>>>himself from the operations of the TNZTP.
The NZ Taxpayers Union is clearly not a political Party, but it has >>>>>>>>strong links to ACT, to National and to a lesser extent NZ First. It >>>>>>>>acts in a similar way to how a Political Action Committee would act in >>>>>>>>the USA - see >>>>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_action_committee
but there is a significant difference from here in that donations to >>>>>>>>the NZ Taxpayer Union from any person are not limited, and do not need >>>>>>>>to be made public if over a legal limit. I do not know if there is any >>>>>>>>commercial value in the NZ Taxpayer Union sharing insights from >>>>>>>>surveys that they commission from with others - it is possible that >>>>>>>>some members of the organisation are permitted to see slightly more >>>>>>>>detail than is published in the newspapers under the heading of a NZ >>>>>>>>Taxpayer Union - Curia poll. I suspect that all of those >>>>>>>>organisations have a good knowledge of rules relating to political >>>>>>>>donations and services, and as I am not a member I do not know what >>>>>>>>information may be provided to them . . .
For an example of one of the better known USA PACs, see: >>>>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Save_America
You are still a failure.
Now you are being silly, Tony - Save America is nothing to do with any >>>>>>political party in this country - what do you think affiliated means, >>>>>>Tony? You introduced the word, I have not used it
it to you.
Nothing you wrote above indicates an affiliation with any poltical party - >>>>>so
you have failed to show political bias in the TPU, again!
Nobody but you has referred to any "affiliation", and it is not clear >>>>what you mean by that term anyway. Are you arguing against your own >>>>posts, Tony?
You have for years argued that the TPU is affgiliated with National. That was
and is a lie. Simple to all but you.
On Sat, 15 Jun 2024 01:26:39 -0000 (UTC), TonyI repeat the TPU is not poltically affiliated - you lie every time you say otherwise and at least 3 times in this thread alone.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 20:51:58 -0000 (UTC), TonySo you say with no evidence. I am correct, you are a lying piece of scum.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You are wrong again (and not just the spelling).
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 06:44:03 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You are a fool iof you think your silliness impresses anybody.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 01:58:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You are stupid - read what I said and if necessary ask a 5 year old to >>>>>>explain
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 11:43:28 +1200, David Goodwin >>>>>>>>><david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:None of which indicates an affiliation to any political party in this >>>>>>>>country.
In article <part1of1.1.AsVFXP9u2QEOQg@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >>>>>>>>>>says...From:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jun 2024 14:42:21 +1200, David Goodwin
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lcv3h3FetU1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz >>>>>>>>>>> >>says...These are self-selected responses - anonymous, unchecked, and not >>>>>>>>>>> >really any different from statements to some social media. >>>>>>>>>>> >
Due to self-selection bias or other reasons the stories shared >>>>>>>>>>> >>here
https://realitycheck.radio/covid-stories/
Rich might like to read any or all of these. It gives a >>>>>>>>>>> >>>reflection
(snapshot) of the peoples inpressions of the Government's at >>>>>>>>>>> >>>the
time
handling of the Covid pandemic.
The others of you might also like a read of them and carmly >>>>>>>>>>> >>>reflect
of
Labour's actions which of course speak louder than words. >>>>>>>>>>> >>
all
seem to be quite one-sided and so should perhaps be taken with a >>>>>>>>>>> >>grain
of salt.
I don't wish to diminish how these people feel/felt, just that >>>>>>>>>>> >>these
stories are likely not representative of the general population. >>>>>>>>>>> >
I had not realised that Reality Check Radio is <off-air> - see: >>>>>>>>>>>
To their credit - it is always good to see people aligned with >>>>>>>>>>>organisationshttps://thespinoff.co.nz/media/30-04-2024/reality-check-radio-is-still-off-air-but-was-it-ever-really-at-risk
More about the founders of Reality Check Radio here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voices_for_Freedom
Peter Williams and Groundswell NZ both had close links with the NZ >>>>>>>>>>> >Taxpayers union
that are not politically motivated. Basically, political alignment >>>>>>>>>>>menas
closed
minds, you should know that!
The Taxpayers Union is most certainly politically, or perhaps more >>>>>>>>>>correctly, ideologically motivated. While they may not be directly >>>>>>>>>>tied
to a particular political party, they still put ideology over saving >>>>>>>>>>taxpayer money just like a political party might.
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/our_mission
"We are a pressure group not just a traditional ‘think tank’ or >>>>>>>>>business association. Our grassroots advocacy model is based on >>>>>>>>>international taxpayer-group counterparts, particularly in the United >>>>>>>>>Kingdom and Canada."
"When we launched in 2013, the Union was little more than an idea that >>>>>>>>>there was a need for a fiscally conservative lobby group in New >>>>>>>>>Zealand. By 2016, we were pleased to have reached 4,000 supporters, by >>>>>>>>>2018 that was 14,700, 59,000 in 2020, and this year we hit 204,000*. >>>>>>>>>Our growth has been rapid and that is a testament to how our message >>>>>>>>>of lower taxes, less waste, and more transparency has resonated with >>>>>>>>>New Zealanders."
Also worth looking at:
https://www.taxpayers.org.nz/our_team
The NZ Taxpayers Union has taken over commissioning political polls >>>>>>>>>from Curia Research - which probably led to David Farrar de-linking >>>>>>>>>himself from the operations of the TNZTP.
The NZ Taxpayers Union is clearly not a political Party, but it has >>>>>>>>>strong links to ACT, to National and to a lesser extent NZ First. It >>>>>>>>>acts in a similar way to how a Political Action Committee would act in >>>>>>>>>the USA - see >>>>>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_action_committee
but there is a significant difference from here in that donations to >>>>>>>>>the NZ Taxpayer Union from any person are not limited, and do not need >>>>>>>>>to be made public if over a legal limit. I do not know if there is any >>>>>>>>>commercial value in the NZ Taxpayer Union sharing insights from >>>>>>>>>surveys that they commission from with others - it is possible that >>>>>>>>>some members of the organisation are permitted to see slightly more >>>>>>>>>detail than is published in the newspapers under the heading of a NZ >>>>>>>>>Taxpayer Union - Curia poll. I suspect that all of those >>>>>>>>>organisations have a good knowledge of rules relating to political >>>>>>>>>donations and services, and as I am not a member I do not know what >>>>>>>>>information may be provided to them . . .
For an example of one of the better known USA PACs, see: >>>>>>>>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Save_America
You are still a failure.
Now you are being silly, Tony - Save America is nothing to do with any >>>>>>>political party in this country - what do you think affiliated means, >>>>>>>Tony? You introduced the word, I have not used it
it to you.
Nothing you wrote above indicates an affiliation with any poltical party >>>>>>-
so
you have failed to show political bias in the TPU, again!
Nobody but you has referred to any "affiliation", and it is not clear >>>>>what you mean by that term anyway. Are you arguing against your own >>>>>posts, Tony?
You have for years argued that the TPU is affgiliated with National. That >>>>was
and is a lie. Simple to all but you.
Affiliated does not contain a 'g' Tony, but as I indicated that is a
minor issue. I have never said that the NZ Taxpayers Union is
affiliated with National; I have said that it carefully preserves a >structural independence from all political parties in order to retain
that independence. It is clear however that just by looking at those
involved in the NZ Taxpayers Union that it shares some views with at
least sections of the ACT and National Parties, and that is emphasised
by both Luxon and Willis having staff members that previously worked
for the NZTPU. It is also significant that the NZ Taxpayers Union now >publishes results from regular Curia political polls, which possible
enables both ACT and National at least to receive results of such
polls. Sharing interests and even many policies does not mean that the >Taxpayers Union is in any way formally affiliated to the National
Party - but I do also note that you are unable to define what _you_
mean by the word "affiliated" in the context of this thread.
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