25yo Maori All-Black Garden-Bachop dies of a "medical event".
"Safe and Effective".
25yo Maori All-Black Garden-Bachop dies of a "medical event".
"Safe and Effective".
wn@nosuch.com says...
25yo Maori All-Black Garden-Bachop dies of a "medical event".
"Safe and Effective".
You *do* realise that there is more than one cause of death in the
world, right?
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024, David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <66711fd7.1654117750@news.mixmin.net>, wn@nosuch.com says...
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024, David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
wn@nosuch.com says...
25yo Maori All-Black Garden-Bachop dies of a "medical event".
"Safe and Effective".
You *do* realise that there is more than one cause of death in the
world, right?
Your question is just rhetoric. Here is a real one:
You *do* realise that the covid vaccines are taking an ongoing toll in
death and illness on our younger (ages 15-55) population, right?
Its more than a little absurd to just assume anyone who dies aged 15-55
has died because they got a particular vaccine.
Quite wrong, we did not have young athletes dropping dead before 2021.
You are evading the question. You personify this cogent saying: "To >maintain their absurd set of beliefs, Lefties have to pretend not to
know a lot of things."
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024, David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
wn@nosuch.com says...
25yo Maori All-Black Garden-Bachop dies of a "medical event".
"Safe and Effective".
You *do* realise that there is more than one cause of death in the
world, right?
Your question is just rhetoric. Here is a real one:
You *do* realise that the covid vaccines are taking an ongoing toll in
death and illness on our younger (ages 15-55) population, right?
In article <66711fd7.1654117750@news.mixmin.net>, wn@nosuch.com says...
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024, David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
wn@nosuch.com says...
25yo Maori All-Black Garden-Bachop dies of a "medical event".
"Safe and Effective".
You *do* realise that there is more than one cause of death in the
world, right?
Your question is just rhetoric. Here is a real one:
You *do* realise that the covid vaccines are taking an ongoing toll in
death and illness on our younger (ages 15-55) population, right?
Its more than a little absurd to just assume anyone who dies aged 15-55
has died because they got a particular vaccine.
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024, David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
wn@nosuch.com says...
25yo Maori All-Black Garden-Bachop dies of a "medical event".
"Safe and Effective".
You *do* realise that there is more than one cause of death in the
world, right?
Your question is just rhetoric. Here is a real one:
You *do* realise that the covid vaccines are taking an ongoing toll in
death and illness on our younger (ages 15-55) population, right?
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 06:27:34 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
Quite wrong, we did not have young athletes dropping dead before 2021.You are welcome to provide evidence for your statements, Willy Nilly -
if you have any of course . . .
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 06:27:34 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
Quite wrong, we did not have young athletes dropping dead before 2021.You are welcome to provide evidence for your statements, Willy Nilly -
if you have any of course . . .
Typical nonsensical troll by Rich. My statement can be disproved by
you coming up with young athletes dropping dead before 2021. But you
can't, of course, because there weren't any. All the onus is on you.
And always is, actually, because a troll is all you are.
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 06:27:34 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
Quite wrong, we did not have young athletes dropping dead before 2021.You are welcome to provide evidence for your statements, Willy Nilly -
if you have any of course . . .
Typical nonsensical troll by Rich. My statement can be disproved by
you coming up with young athletes dropping dead before 2021. But you
can't, of course, because there weren't any. All the onus is on you.
And always is, actually, because a troll is all you are.
In article <66714d82.1665808484@news.mixmin.net>, wn@nosuch.com says...
Quite wrong, we did not have young athletes dropping dead before 2021.
How is he trolling? It seems perfectly reasonable to ask you for
evidence - after all, its *you* thats made the initial claim without >providing anything to back it up.
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024, David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <66714d82.1665808484@news.mixmin.net>, wn@nosuch.com says...
Quite wrong, we did not have young athletes dropping dead before 2021.
How is he trolling? It seems perfectly reasonable to ask you for
evidence - after all, its *you* thats made the initial claim without >providing anything to back it up.
A negative cannot be proven, as any school child knows. You may claim
"there are no pink elephants" and Rich will say "prove it". You can't
prove it, but the claim can be disproved if a pink elephant is found.
So your & Rich's refrain that I should "prove" that young athletes did
not drop dead before 2021 is just more worthless Leftist rhetoric.
Everyone knows they did not,
but a negative cannot be proven. Nor can
you disprove it, because there were none, so my statement stands. My "evidence" is that you cannot disprove it.
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 09:12:09 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Your thread, Willy - onus on you to support your assertions . . .
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 06:27:34 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote: >>>>Quite wrong, we did not have young athletes dropping dead before 2021.
You are welcome to provide evidence for your statements, Willy Nilly -
if you have any of course . . .
Typical nonsensical troll by Rich. My statement can be disproved by
you coming up with young athletes dropping dead before 2021. But you >>can't, of course, because there weren't any. All the onus is on you.
And always is, actually, because a troll is all you are.
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024, David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <66714d82.1665808484@news.mixmin.net>, wn@nosuch.com says...
Quite wrong, we did not have young athletes dropping dead before 2021.
How is he trolling? It seems perfectly reasonable to ask you for
evidence - after all, its *you* thats made the initial claim without >>providing anything to back it up.
A negative cannot be proven, as any school child knows. You may claim
"there are no pink elephants" and Rich will say "prove it". You can't
prove it, but the claim can be disproved if a pink elephant is found.
So your & Rich's refrain that I should "prove" that young athletes did
not drop dead before 2021 is just more worthless Leftist rhetoric.
Everyone knows they did not, but a negative cannot be proven. Nor can
you disprove it, because there were none, so my statement stands. My "evidence" is that you cannot disprove it.
In article <66711fd7.1654117750@news.mixmin.net>, wn@nosuch.com says...
On Tue, 18 Jun 2024, David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
wn@nosuch.com says...
25yo Maori All-Black Garden-Bachop dies of a "medical event".
"Safe and Effective".
You *do* realise that there is more than one cause of death in the
world, right?
Your question is just rhetoric. Here is a real one:
You *do* realise that the covid vaccines are taking an ongoing toll in
death and illness on our younger (ages 15-55) population, right?
Its more than a little absurd to just assume anyone who dies aged 15-55
has died because they got a particular vaccine.
In article <6671f31e.1708204390@news.mixmin.net>, wn@nosuch.com says... >>>>>>Quite wrong, we did not have young athletes dropping dead before 2021.
A negative cannot be proven, as any school child knows.
Fine, don't prove the negative. Prove the positive. You're claiming that
all or most deaths since 2021 have a particular cause. That the leading
cause of death for people aged 15-55 has changed in the last few years. >Provide the statistics you're basing this claim on. Where is the
research that backs up your claim?
You are well-versed at fetching these graphs, Rich, but apparentlyhttps://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?country=~NZL... show(s) the 5-month bulge in excess deaths from March to July 2022. >>>Where did your figure of 15% come from, Willy?
unable to read them. Looking at (the above) graph, observe the
plotted points from 13 March 2022 to 31 July 2022, which were right
after NZ's big covid booster programme of Jan-Feb 2022. Those
points bulge upwards to reach the 15% excess-deaths horizontal line.
Do they? I've not seen any statistics one way or another. I suspect you >haven't either and you're just making stuff up.
That isn't evidence. You're guessing, and almost certainly guessing >incorrectly.
In article <667214c2.1716816328@news.mixmin.net>, wn@nosuch.com says...
I gave this already, in my posting of the 3rd-June in the thread of
"Japan first off the mark". You are pretending you haven't already
seen it, a typical Lefty tactic, but here is an excerpt of it:
Not pretending. I often don't read your posts as I can usually guess the >content from the subject.
Point is, that graph doesn't prove anything about the cause. It only
shows more people died than was otherwise expected.
From my interactions with you so far, it always appears to be you that >refuses to accept logic and data. If you can provide some *reputable*
data to back up your claims, I'll happily accept it.
Here's another "guess": The covid jabs you took will shorten your
life-span by about 4 years per jab. Enjoy.
Your guesses don't appear to have any value given your inability to
provide data to support your claims, so I'm not at all concerned.
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024, David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <6671f31e.1708204390@news.mixmin.net>, wn@nosuch.com says... >>>>>>Quite wrong, we did not have young athletes dropping dead before 2021. >> A negative cannot be proven, as any school child knows.
Fine, don't prove the negative. Prove the positive. You're claiming that >all or most deaths since 2021 have a particular cause. That the leading >cause of death for people aged 15-55 has changed in the last few years. >Provide the statistics you're basing this claim on. Where is the
research that backs up your claim?
I gave this already, in my posting of the 3rd-June in the thread of
"Japan first off the mark". You are pretending you haven't already
seen it, a typical Lefty tactic, but here is an excerpt of it:
You are well-versed at fetching these graphs, Rich, but apparentlyhttps://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?country=~NZL... show(s) the 5-month bulge in excess deaths from March to July 2022. >>>Where did your figure of 15% come from, Willy?
unable to read them. Looking at (the above) graph, observe the
plotted points from 13 March 2022 to 31 July 2022, which were right
after NZ's big covid booster programme of Jan-Feb 2022. Those
points bulge upwards to reach the 15% excess-deaths horizontal line.
Do they? I've not seen any statistics one way or another. I suspect you >haven't either and you're just making stuff up.
Of course; logic and data can never shift the Leftist mind.
That isn't evidence. You're guessing, and almost certainly guessing >incorrectly.
Here's another "guess": The covid jabs you took will shorten your
life-span by about 4 years per jab. Enjoy.
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024, David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <667214c2.1716816328@news.mixmin.net>, wn@nosuch.com says...
I gave this already, in my posting of the 3rd-June in the thread of
"Japan first off the mark". You are pretending you haven't already
seen it, a typical Lefty tactic, but here is an excerpt of it:
Not pretending. I often don't read your posts as I can usually guess the >content from the subject.
More nonsense from you as I was not the OP of that thread.
Point is, that graph doesn't prove anything about the cause. It only
shows more people died than was otherwise expected.
And if the obvious cause is not to your liking, you'll just pretend
that there was no cause.
From my interactions with you so far, it always appears to be you that >refuses to accept logic and data. If you can provide some *reputable*
data to back up your claims, I'll happily accept it.
That data was fully reputable, and that link: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?country=~NZL
was given by Rich in the post immediately before my own. Rich, are
you there? -- David Goodwin says that your data is not reputable.
Here's another "guess": The covid jabs you took will shorten your
life-span by about 4 years per jab. Enjoy.
Your guesses don't appear to have any value given your inability to
provide data to support your claims, so I'm not at all concerned.
I think you're lying, David. I think you won't have any covid jabs
any more, but you'll never admit it. Actions speak louder than words.
Don't forget to say "Thanks, Willy".
In article <66722533.1721025843@news.mixmin.net>, wn@nosuch.com says...I agree. It is measuring the rates of death from all causes against
On Wed, 19 Jun 2024, David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <667214c2.1716816328@news.mixmin.net>, wn@nosuch.com says...
I gave this already, in my posting of the 3rd-June in the thread of
"Japan first off the mark". You are pretending you haven't already
seen it, a typical Lefty tactic, but here is an excerpt of it:
Not pretending. I often don't read your posts as I can usually guess the
content from the subject.
More nonsense from you as I was not the OP of that thread.
Point is, that graph doesn't prove anything about the cause. It only
shows more people died than was otherwise expected.
And if the obvious cause is not to your liking, you'll just pretend
that there was no cause.
I did not say there was no cause, just that that graph says nothing
about the *cause* of the excess mortality.
You're claiming a specific cause of death has become vastly more common
in recent years, so your evidence needs to show that the number of
deaths attributed to that cause have also risen in recent years.
If you cannot find such evidence, then perhaps your claims are wrong and
you should consider changing your mind.
From my interactions with you so far, it always appears to be you that
refuses to accept logic and data. If you can provide some *reputable*
data to back up your claims, I'll happily accept it.
That data was fully reputable, and that link:
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-mortality-p-scores-projected-baseline?country=~NZL
was given by Rich in the post immediately before my own. Rich, are
you there? -- David Goodwin says that your data is not reputable.
Yes, that data is reputable. But it has nothing to with your claims and
so is irrelevant to this discussion.
Here's another "guess": The covid jabs you took will shorten your
life-span by about 4 years per jab. Enjoy.
Your guesses don't appear to have any value given your inability to
provide data to support your claims, so I'm not at all concerned.
I think you're lying, David. I think you won't have any covid jabs
any more, but you'll never admit it. Actions speak louder than words.
Don't forget to say "Thanks, Willy".
Wouldn't be the first belief you've adopted without supporting evidence.
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