and for some comments: >https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/There are no winners obviously.
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air
freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so
they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is >concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users
that matter to the government . . .)
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air
freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so
they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users
that matter to the government . . .)
On 2024-06-24, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air
freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so
they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is
concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users
that matter to the government . . .)
You just not get a few billion dollars of ferries over night. It takes >several years. This issue was one of successive Governments.
If the Labour Government had not spent up large not needed stuff and the >ferry had not run around all would be fine. No fizzing in the tea cup.
On 25 Jun 2024 00:21:51 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Wrong, you don't know that - but that does not matter to you does it? Politics is all you think really have - how sad.
On 2024-06-24, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air
freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so
they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is
concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users
that matter to the government . . .)
You just not get a few billion dollars of ferries over night. It takes >>several years. This issue was one of successive Governments.
If the Labour Government had not spent up large not needed stuff and the >>ferry had not run around all would be fine. No fizzing in the tea cup.
NZ goes to the back of the queue for new ferries after losing
$600-800mn from the cancellation of i-Rex. The new ferries would have >accommodated 40 rail wagons, 3000 lane metres for vehicles, and 1800 >passengers accommodating the projected volume increases across the
Straits
The ferries were not the only problem - the wharf at Picton needed a
lot of work, and that was another project stopped by the current
government - fortunately it was nearly finished.
Now we will have to order a new ship at much greater price than the
one that would have been delivered in only a few years . . .
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: >https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air
freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so
they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is >concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users
that matter to the government . . .)
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:39:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: >>https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air >>freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so
they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is >>concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users
that matter to the government . . .)
Take a look at the IREX project documentation and you will see that
Kiwirail were encouraged by the Labour Government to go for a
gold-plated upgrade to the Interislander service. They ordered
ferries that could not be berthed at existing ports when expansion
plans for those ports had not even got resource consents let alone
started building. Stupidity or incompetence. Government or Kiwirail >management. Feel free to pair up those four entities.
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 16:10:46 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>Noweere near the massive increase in budgetted cost for the new ships that forced the cancellation.
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:39:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: >>>https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air >>>freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so >>>they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is >>>concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users
that matter to the government . . .)
Take a look at the IREX project documentation and you will see that >>Kiwirail were encouraged by the Labour Government to go for a
gold-plated upgrade to the Interislander service. They ordered
ferries that could not be berthed at existing ports when expansion
plans for those ports had not even got resource consents let alone
started building. Stupidity or incompetence. Government or Kiwirail >>management. Feel free to pair up those four entities.
Still losing $600 to $800 million on withdrawing from the ship
contract is still quite a lot of money.
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 16:10:46 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:39:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: >>>https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air >>>freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so >>>they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is >>>concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users
that matter to the government . . .)
Take a look at the IREX project documentation and you will see that >>Kiwirail were encouraged by the Labour Government to go for a
gold-plated upgrade to the Interislander service. They ordered
ferries that could not be berthed at existing ports when expansion
plans for those ports had not even got resource consents let alone
started building. Stupidity or incompetence. Government or Kiwirail >>management. Feel free to pair up those four entities.
Still losing $600 to $800 million on withdrawing from the ship
contract is still quite a lot of money.
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 16:10:46 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:39:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: >>>https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air >>>freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so >>>they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is >>>concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users
that matter to the government . . .)
Take a look at the IREX project documentation and you will see that >>Kiwirail were encouraged by the Labour Government to go for a
gold-plated upgrade to the Interislander service. They ordered
ferries that could not be berthed at existing ports when expansion
plans for those ports had not even got resource consents let alone
started building. Stupidity or incompetence. Government or Kiwirail >>management. Feel free to pair up those four entities.
Still losing $600 to $800 million on withdrawing from the ship
contract is still quite a lot of money.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Prove it! The big cost was a projected increase in the cost of the
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 16:10:46 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:Noweere near the massive increase in budgetted cost for the new ships that >forced the cancellation.
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:39:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: >>>>https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air >>>>freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so >>>>they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is >>>>concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users >>>>that matter to the government . . .)
Take a look at the IREX project documentation and you will see that >>>Kiwirail were encouraged by the Labour Government to go for a
gold-plated upgrade to the Interislander service. They ordered
ferries that could not be berthed at existing ports when expansion
plans for those ports had not even got resource consents let alone >>>started building. Stupidity or incompetence. Government or Kiwirail >>>management. Feel free to pair up those four entities.
Still losing $600 to $800 million on withdrawing from the ship
contract is still quite a lot of money.
As Crash has suggested, incompetence when the original decision was made, and >following from that a necessary decision by this government to fix it.Except they have made it worse - they lost money on canceling a new
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: >https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air >freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this soThere are no winners obviously.
they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is >concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users
that matter to the government . . .)
However if the replacement ferries had not been cancelled the blowout costs would have amounted to several billion dollars - don't you ever watch/read/listen to the news?
Also, the same accident would no doubt have happened unless you believe the butterfly effect.
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 16:24:55 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 16:10:46 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:39:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: >>>>https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air >>>>freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so >>>>they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is >>>>concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users >>>>that matter to the government . . .)
Take a look at the IREX project documentation and you will see that >>>Kiwirail were encouraged by the Labour Government to go for a
gold-plated upgrade to the Interislander service. They ordered
ferries that could not be berthed at existing ports when expansion
plans for those ports had not even got resource consents let alone >>>started building. Stupidity or incompetence. Government or Kiwirail >>>management. Feel free to pair up those four entities.
Still losing $600 to $800 million on withdrawing from the ship
contract is still quite a lot of money.
Saving billions dwarfs the cost of a project that was never viable and
the subject of multiple blowout cost increases far in excess of the
cost of the cancelled shipbuilding contract.
I note you chose not to comment that the shipbuilding cost was for
ships (ferries) that no existing port could berth. Labour would have
needed fast-track consenting to get the new ports built and even then
not fast enough to have those ports ready for when the new ships
(ferries) arrived. As Homer would say - DOH!
ends with new ports built to modern earthquake safety standards.
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 06:52:51 -0000 (UTC), TonyAn essential part of the project you duplicitous fool.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Prove it! The big cost was a projected increase in the cost of the
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 16:10:46 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:Noweere near the massive increase in budgetted cost for the new ships that >>forced the cancellation.
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:39:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: >>>>>https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air >>>>>freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so >>>>>they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is >>>>>concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users >>>>>that matter to the government . . .)
Take a look at the IREX project documentation and you will see that >>>>Kiwirail were encouraged by the Labour Government to go for a >>>>gold-plated upgrade to the Interislander service. They ordered
ferries that could not be berthed at existing ports when expansion >>>>plans for those ports had not even got resource consents let alone >>>>started building. Stupidity or incompetence. Government or Kiwirail >>>>management. Feel free to pair up those four entities.
Still losing $600 to $800 million on withdrawing from the ship
contract is still quite a lot of money.
wharf and wharf facilities.
No they made it better by preventing the waste of billions of dollars - do you ever think before you spew all over this newsgroup?As Crash has suggested, incompetence when the original decision was made, and >>following from that a necessary decision by this government to fix it. >Except they have made it worse - they lost money on canceling a newship - that is money for which we will never receive any value.
In article <part1of1.1.$hbWDnrG0rXy7w@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nzThe new ports development was an essential part of the original, now cancelled foolishness.
says...
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
There are no winners obviously.https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air
freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so
they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is
concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users
that matter to the government . . .)
However if the replacement ferries had not been cancelled the blowout costs >> would have amounted to several billion dollars - don't you ever
watch/read/listen to the news?
The ferries were a fixed cost - $550m IIRC. The cost blow out was
entirely a result of replacing end of life port infrastructure at both
ends with new ports built to modern earthquake safety standards. Smaller >ferries wouldn't have significantly reduced the costs of this new >infrastructure.
So it's not clear that cost blowout has actually been avoided byIt is to me and many others who are not befuddled by politics.
cancelling the new ferries.
Sooner or later, someone is still going toIrrelevant since that is something for the future.
have to pay to replace those terminals, and presumably the replacement
is still going to have to meet the building code.
Also, the same accident would no doubt have happened unless you believe the >> butterfly effect.
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:I do not care why you are befuddled, Tony
In article <part1of1.1.$hbWDnrG0rXy7w@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >>says...The new ports development was an essential part of the original, now cancelled >foolishness.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
There are no winners obviously.https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments:
https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air
freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so
they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is
concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users
that matter to the government . . .)
However if the replacement ferries had not been cancelled the blowout costs >>> would have amounted to several billion dollars - don't you ever
watch/read/listen to the news?
The ferries were a fixed cost - $550m IIRC. The cost blow out was
entirely a result of replacing end of life port infrastructure at both
ends with new ports built to modern earthquake safety standards. Smaller >>ferries wouldn't have significantly reduced the costs of this new >>infrastructure.
It is to me and many others who are not befuddled by politics.
So it's not clear that cost blowout has actually been avoided by
cancelling the new ferries.
The ship orders were cancelled before the ferry ran aground - all theSooner or later, someone is still going toIrrelevant since that is something for the future.
have to pay to replace those terminals, and presumably the replacement
is still going to have to meet the building code.
Also, the same accident would no doubt have happened unless you believe the >>> butterfly effect.
On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 07:02:03 -0000 (UTC), TonyYour syntax is appalling. It is you that is the politically driven moron, not me.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:I do not care why you are befuddled, Tony
In article <part1of1.1.$hbWDnrG0rXy7w@ue.ph>, lizandtony@orcon.net.nz >>>says...The new ports development was an essential part of the original, now >>cancelled
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments:
There are no winners obviously.https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air
freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so >>>> >they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is >>>> >concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users
that matter to the government . . .)
However if the replacement ferries had not been cancelled the blowout >>>>costs
would have amounted to several billion dollars - don't you ever
watch/read/listen to the news?
The ferries were a fixed cost - $550m IIRC. The cost blow out was >>>entirely a result of replacing end of life port infrastructure at both >>>ends with new ports built to modern earthquake safety standards. Smaller >>>ferries wouldn't have significantly reduced the costs of this new >>>infrastructure.
foolishness.
It is to me and many others who are not befuddled by politics.
So it's not clear that cost blowout has actually been avoided by >>>cancelling the new ferries.
Abuse removed. Irrelevant, poor maintenance, nothing to do with ports - do get back on topic.The ship orders were cancelled before the ferry ran aground - all theSooner or later, someone is still going toIrrelevant since that is something for the future.
have to pay to replace those terminals, and presumably the replacement
is still going to have to meet the building code.
Also, the same accident would no doubt have happened unless you believe >>>>the
butterfly effect.
ferry grounding showed was that the current vessels are indeed nearing
the end of their life.
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: >https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air
freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so
they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is >concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users
that matter to the government . . .)
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:39:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: >>https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air >>freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so
they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is >>concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users
that matter to the government . . .)
It seems that sanity is prevailing with new ships ordering not too far
away: >https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/06/23/govt-advised-to-replace-cook-strait-ferries-with-new-smaller-boats/
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:39:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: >>https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air >>freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so
they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is >>concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users
that matter to the government . . .)
It seems that sanity is prevailing with new ships ordering not too far
away: https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/06/23/govt-advised-to-replace-cook-strait-ferries-with-new-smaller-boats/
On 2024-06-26, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:39:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>From the reading of this the advisary board had the recommendations ready
wrote:
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: >>>https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air >>>freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so >>>they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is >>>concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users
that matter to the government . . .)
It seems that sanity is prevailing with new ships ordering not too far
away:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/06/23/govt-advised-to-replace-cook-strait-ferries-with-new-smaller-boats/
but owing to some "complications" the recommdendations were not acted upon. >Sort of its too hard and it will cost too much. So no action is taken.
It is really amazing how human nature allows no action until a disaster >strikes, even though everyone knows what should be done.
Looks like we are getting back on track and repairing the state highway 1 >between Wellington and Picton.
On 27 Jun 2024 04:29:30 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Yup, the cancellation was the best possible action. In fact the only sensible one. Now well understood by sentient beings.
On 2024-06-26, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:39:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>From the reading of this the advisary board had the recommendations ready >>but owing to some "complications" the recommdendations were not acted upon. >>Sort of its too hard and it will cost too much. So no action is taken.
wrote:
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: >>>>https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air >>>>freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so >>>>they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is >>>>concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users >>>>that matter to the government . . .)
It seems that sanity is prevailing with new ships ordering not too far
away:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/06/23/govt-advised-to-replace-cook-strait-ferries-with-new-smaller-boats/
It is really amazing how human nature allows no action until a disaster >>strikes, even though everyone knows what should be done.
Looks like we are getting back on track and repairing the state highway 1 >>between Wellington and Picton.
Covered also here with some good analysis: >http://werewolf.co.nz/2024/06/gordon-campbell-on-cancer-drugs-and-the-great-ferries-cancellation-disaster-of-23/
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Jun 2024 04:29:30 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Yup, the cancellation was the best possible action. In fact the only sensible >one. Now well understood by sentient beings.
On 2024-06-26, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:39:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>From the reading of this the advisary board had the recommendations ready >>>but owing to some "complications" the recommdendations were not acted upon. >>>Sort of its too hard and it will cost too much. So no action is taken.
wrote:
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: >>>>>https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air >>>>>freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so >>>>>they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is >>>>>concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users >>>>>that matter to the government . . .)
It seems that sanity is prevailing with new ships ordering not too far >>>> away:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/06/23/govt-advised-to-replace-cook-strait-ferries-with-new-smaller-boats/
It is really amazing how human nature allows no action until a disaster >>>strikes, even though everyone knows what should be done.
Looks like we are getting back on track and repairing the state highway 1 >>>between Wellington and Picton.
Covered also here with some good analysis: >>http://werewolf.co.nz/2024/06/gordon-campbell-on-cancer-drugs-and-the-great-ferries-cancellation-disaster-of-23/
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 20:25:42 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 06:27:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Jun 2024 04:29:30 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Yup, the cancellation was the best possible action. In fact the only sensible
On 2024-06-26, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:39:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:From the reading of this the advisary board had the recommendations ready >>>>>but owing to some "complications" the recommdendations were not acted upon.
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: >>>>>>>https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air >>>>>>>freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so >>>>>>>they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is >>>>>>>concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users >>>>>>>that matter to the government . . .)
It seems that sanity is prevailing with new ships ordering not too far >>>>>> away:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/06/23/govt-advised-to-replace-cook-strait-ferries-with-new-smaller-boats/
Sort of its too hard and it will cost too much. So no action is taken. >>>>>
It is really amazing how human nature allows no action until a disaster >>>>>strikes, even though everyone knows what should be done.
Looks like we are getting back on track and repairing the state highway 1 >>>>>between Wellington and Picton.
Covered also here with some good analysis: >>>>http://werewolf.co.nz/2024/06/gordon-campbell-on-cancer-drugs-and-the-great-ferries-cancellation-disaster-of-23/
one. Now well understood by sentient beings.
"he decision taken last December to cancel the contract for the two >>purpose-built Cook Strait ferries – without having a Plan B in mind,
let alone in place – has been a calamity that’s going to haunt New
Zealand for decades to come, long after the Luxon government has been >>consigned to the dustbin of history.
The contract we had signed with South Korea’s giant Hyandfai Mipo
Dockyard had locked in the building cost for ferries large enough (a)
to carry rail economically and (b) carry passengers in relative
comfort. Crucially, the vessels would have been big and sturdy enough
to handle the constant hammering from Cook Strait’s fierce weather >>conditions, for the next 30 years or so. The new ferries were due to
start arriving in about 18 -24 months time.
Instead….the ministerial advisory group has recommended that we start
again from scratch and arrange to build smaller boats that won’t be
rail capable. This means that firms will be faced with the extra costs
of the double handling of goods, and/or will have an incentive to put
more goods onto trucks that will (a) generate more carbon emissions,
and (b) cause further costs in road maintenance and (c) pose added
safety risks to motorists who will now be forced to share the
country’s roads with an ever-increasing number of large trucks, for
decades to come.
Moreover, we will be starting out afresh to find foreign shipyards
willing to take on a proven-to-be-unreliable client like New Zealand,
in order to build smaller, less capable, less robust ships at an equal
or even higher price, given the subsequent inflationary pressures.
Besides, we will still need to pay for ferry terminal upgrades that
were the actual source of the alleged cost “blowout” seized on as the >>excuse for the cancellation.
Furthermore, we will also have to pay a costly penalty fee for
breaking the original contract, with all the related reputational risk
to this country, at a time when we are looking for shipyards to build >>replacements for several of our naval vessels.
Overall, the cancellation decision made by Finance Minister Nicola
Willis is going to end up costing as much – and probably more – once
all of the ancillary costs are put on the tab. At no overall savings, >>Willis will have delayed the arrival – by the best part of five years
– of what will be an inferior ferry service across our most important >>domestic trade and tourism route. The stupidity and incompetence >>surrounding the decision to cancel the ferries order has been
breathtaking. Elsewhere, ministerial resignations have occurred over
far less."
The rest of the article is also worth reading as well . . . .
The fact of the matter remains: ferries were ordered that could not be >berthed at any port. That was an incomprehensible decision that tied
ferry replacement to port upgrades. It should be noted that most of
the current ferries are not 'rail enabled' - but interestingly do have
rail tracks in the floor.
The details are here:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/06/23/govt-advised-to-replace-cook-strait-ferries-with-new-smaller-boats/
The new government is taking actions that the old government should
have taken before the new ferries were ordered.
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 06:27:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Jun 2024 04:29:30 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Yup, the cancellation was the best possible action. In fact the only sensible >>one. Now well understood by sentient beings.
On 2024-06-26, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:39:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>> wrote:From the reading of this the advisary board had the recommendations ready >>>>but owing to some "complications" the recommdendations were not acted upon. >>>>Sort of its too hard and it will cost too much. So no action is taken.
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: >>>>>>https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air >>>>>>freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so >>>>>>they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is >>>>>>concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users >>>>>>that matter to the government . . .)
It seems that sanity is prevailing with new ships ordering not too far >>>>> away:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/06/23/govt-advised-to-replace-cook-strait-ferries-with-new-smaller-boats/
It is really amazing how human nature allows no action until a disaster >>>>strikes, even though everyone knows what should be done.
Looks like we are getting back on track and repairing the state highway 1 >>>>between Wellington and Picton.
Covered also here with some good analysis: >>>http://werewolf.co.nz/2024/06/gordon-campbell-on-cancer-drugs-and-the-great-ferries-cancellation-disaster-of-23/
"he decision taken last December to cancel the contract for the two >purpose-built Cook Strait ferries – without having a Plan B in mind,
let alone in place – has been a calamity that’s going to haunt New
Zealand for decades to come, long after the Luxon government has been >consigned to the dustbin of history.
The contract we had signed with South Korea’s giant Hyandfai Mipo
Dockyard had locked in the building cost for ferries large enough (a)
to carry rail economically and (b) carry passengers in relative
comfort. Crucially, the vessels would have been big and sturdy enough
to handle the constant hammering from Cook Strait’s fierce weather >conditions, for the next 30 years or so. The new ferries were due to
start arriving in about 18 -24 months time.
Instead….the ministerial advisory group has recommended that we start
again from scratch and arrange to build smaller boats that won’t be
rail capable. This means that firms will be faced with the extra costs
of the double handling of goods, and/or will have an incentive to put
more goods onto trucks that will (a) generate more carbon emissions,
and (b) cause further costs in road maintenance and (c) pose added
safety risks to motorists who will now be forced to share the
country’s roads with an ever-increasing number of large trucks, for
decades to come.
Moreover, we will be starting out afresh to find foreign shipyards
willing to take on a proven-to-be-unreliable client like New Zealand,
in order to build smaller, less capable, less robust ships at an equal
or even higher price, given the subsequent inflationary pressures.
Besides, we will still need to pay for ferry terminal upgrades that
were the actual source of the alleged cost “blowout” seized on as the
excuse for the cancellation.
Furthermore, we will also have to pay a costly penalty fee for
breaking the original contract, with all the related reputational risk
to this country, at a time when we are looking for shipyards to build >replacements for several of our naval vessels.
Overall, the cancellation decision made by Finance Minister Nicola
Willis is going to end up costing as much – and probably more – once
all of the ancillary costs are put on the tab. At no overall savings,
Willis will have delayed the arrival – by the best part of five years
– of what will be an inferior ferry service across our most important >domestic trade and tourism route. The stupidity and incompetence
surrounding the decision to cancel the ferries order has been
breathtaking. Elsewhere, ministerial resignations have occurred over
far less."
The rest of the article is also worth reading as well . . . .
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 21:21:08 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>What absolute nonsense. Pure politicasl rhetoric and lies.
wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 20:25:42 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 06:27:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Jun 2024 04:29:30 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Yup, the cancellation was the best possible action. In fact the only >>>>sensible
On 2024-06-26, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:39:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:From the reading of this the advisary board had the recommendations ready >>>>>>but owing to some "complications" the recommdendations were not acted >>>>>>upon.
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: >>>>>>>>https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air >>>>>>>>freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so >>>>>>>>they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is >>>>>>>>concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users >>>>>>>>that matter to the government . . .)
It seems that sanity is prevailing with new ships ordering not too far >>>>>>> away:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/06/23/govt-advised-to-replace-cook-strait-ferries-with-new-smaller-boats/
Sort of its too hard and it will cost too much. So no action is taken. >>>>>>
It is really amazing how human nature allows no action until a disaster >>>>>>strikes, even though everyone knows what should be done.
Looks like we are getting back on track and repairing the state highway 1 >>>>>>between Wellington and Picton.
Covered also here with some good analysis: >>>>>http://werewolf.co.nz/2024/06/gordon-campbell-on-cancer-drugs-and-the-great-ferries-cancellation-disaster-of-23/
one. Now well understood by sentient beings.
"he decision taken last December to cancel the contract for the two >>>purpose-built Cook Strait ferries – without having a Plan B in mind,
let alone in place – has been a calamity that’s going to haunt New >>>Zealand for decades to come, long after the Luxon government has been >>>consigned to the dustbin of history.
The contract we had signed with South Korea’s giant Hyandfai Mipo >>>Dockyard had locked in the building cost for ferries large enough (a)
to carry rail economically and (b) carry passengers in relative
comfort. Crucially, the vessels would have been big and sturdy enough
to handle the constant hammering from Cook Strait’s fierce weather >>>conditions, for the next 30 years or so. The new ferries were due to >>>start arriving in about 18 -24 months time.
Instead….the ministerial advisory group has recommended that we start >>>again from scratch and arrange to build smaller boats that won’t be
rail capable. This means that firms will be faced with the extra costs
of the double handling of goods, and/or will have an incentive to put >>>more goods onto trucks that will (a) generate more carbon emissions,
and (b) cause further costs in road maintenance and (c) pose added
safety risks to motorists who will now be forced to share the
country’s roads with an ever-increasing number of large trucks, for >>>decades to come.
Moreover, we will be starting out afresh to find foreign shipyards >>>willing to take on a proven-to-be-unreliable client like New Zealand,
in order to build smaller, less capable, less robust ships at an equal
or even higher price, given the subsequent inflationary pressures. >>>Besides, we will still need to pay for ferry terminal upgrades that
were the actual source of the alleged cost “blowout” seized on as the >>>excuse for the cancellation.
Furthermore, we will also have to pay a costly penalty fee for
breaking the original contract, with all the related reputational risk
to this country, at a time when we are looking for shipyards to build >>>replacements for several of our naval vessels.
Overall, the cancellation decision made by Finance Minister Nicola
Willis is going to end up costing as much – and probably more – once
all of the ancillary costs are put on the tab. At no overall savings, >>>Willis will have delayed the arrival – by the best part of five years
– of what will be an inferior ferry service across our most important >>>domestic trade and tourism route. The stupidity and incompetence >>>surrounding the decision to cancel the ferries order has been >>>breathtaking. Elsewhere, ministerial resignations have occurred over
far less."
The rest of the article is also worth reading as well . . . .
The fact of the matter remains: ferries were ordered that could not be >>berthed at any port. That was an incomprehensible decision that tied
ferry replacement to port upgrades. It should be noted that most of
the current ferries are not 'rail enabled' - but interestingly do have
rail tracks in the floor.
The details are here:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/06/23/govt-advised-to-replace-cook-strait-ferries-with-new-smaller-boats/
The new government is taking actions that the old government should
have taken before the new ferries were ordered.
Possibly, but that was different times, with a government that did not
want to reduce income by twice the cost of the ship through handouts
to landlords. Most of the port work has been completed in Picton.
The Ministerial Group was selected to give the answer that the
government wanted - a bit like the report from Bill English where he
was asked not to talk to the Department . . .
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 21:21:08 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 20:25:42 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 06:27:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Jun 2024 04:29:30 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Yup, the cancellation was the best possible action. In fact the only sensible
On 2024-06-26, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:39:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:From the reading of this the advisary board had the recommendations ready >>>>>>but owing to some "complications" the recommdendations were not acted upon.
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: >>>>>>>>https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air >>>>>>>>freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so >>>>>>>>they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is >>>>>>>>concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users >>>>>>>>that matter to the government . . .)
It seems that sanity is prevailing with new ships ordering not too far >>>>>>> away:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/06/23/govt-advised-to-replace-cook-strait-ferries-with-new-smaller-boats/
Sort of its too hard and it will cost too much. So no action is taken. >>>>>>
It is really amazing how human nature allows no action until a disaster >>>>>>strikes, even though everyone knows what should be done.
Looks like we are getting back on track and repairing the state highway 1 >>>>>>between Wellington and Picton.
Covered also here with some good analysis: >>>>>http://werewolf.co.nz/2024/06/gordon-campbell-on-cancer-drugs-and-the-great-ferries-cancellation-disaster-of-23/
one. Now well understood by sentient beings.
"he decision taken last December to cancel the contract for the two >>>purpose-built Cook Strait ferries – without having a Plan B in mind,
let alone in place – has been a calamity that’s going to haunt New >>>Zealand for decades to come, long after the Luxon government has been >>>consigned to the dustbin of history.
The contract we had signed with South Korea’s giant Hyandfai Mipo >>>Dockyard had locked in the building cost for ferries large enough (a)
to carry rail economically and (b) carry passengers in relative
comfort. Crucially, the vessels would have been big and sturdy enough
to handle the constant hammering from Cook Strait’s fierce weather >>>conditions, for the next 30 years or so. The new ferries were due to >>>start arriving in about 18 -24 months time.
Instead….the ministerial advisory group has recommended that we start >>>again from scratch and arrange to build smaller boats that won’t be
rail capable. This means that firms will be faced with the extra costs
of the double handling of goods, and/or will have an incentive to put >>>more goods onto trucks that will (a) generate more carbon emissions,
and (b) cause further costs in road maintenance and (c) pose added
safety risks to motorists who will now be forced to share the
country’s roads with an ever-increasing number of large trucks, for >>>decades to come.
Moreover, we will be starting out afresh to find foreign shipyards >>>willing to take on a proven-to-be-unreliable client like New Zealand,
in order to build smaller, less capable, less robust ships at an equal
or even higher price, given the subsequent inflationary pressures. >>>Besides, we will still need to pay for ferry terminal upgrades that
were the actual source of the alleged cost “blowout” seized on as the >>>excuse for the cancellation.
Furthermore, we will also have to pay a costly penalty fee for
breaking the original contract, with all the related reputational risk
to this country, at a time when we are looking for shipyards to build >>>replacements for several of our naval vessels.
Overall, the cancellation decision made by Finance Minister Nicola
Willis is going to end up costing as much – and probably more – once
all of the ancillary costs are put on the tab. At no overall savings, >>>Willis will have delayed the arrival – by the best part of five years
– of what will be an inferior ferry service across our most important >>>domestic trade and tourism route. The stupidity and incompetence >>>surrounding the decision to cancel the ferries order has been >>>breathtaking. Elsewhere, ministerial resignations have occurred over
far less."
The rest of the article is also worth reading as well . . . .
The fact of the matter remains: ferries were ordered that could not be >>berthed at any port. That was an incomprehensible decision that tied
ferry replacement to port upgrades. It should be noted that most of
the current ferries are not 'rail enabled' - but interestingly do have
rail tracks in the floor.
The details are here:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/06/23/govt-advised-to-replace-cook-strait-ferries-with-new-smaller-boats/
The new government is taking actions that the old government should
have taken before the new ferries were ordered.
Possibly, but that was different times, with a government that did not
want to reduce income by twice the cost of the ship through handouts
to landlords.
Most of the port work has been completed in Picton.
The Ministerial Group was selected to give the answer that the
government wanted - a bit like the report from Bill English where he
was asked not to talk to the Department . . .
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 22:09:30 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>I already posted the following article - did you read it? http://werewolf.co.nz/2024/06/gordon-campbell-on-cancer-drugs-and-the-great-ferries-cancellation-disaster-of-23/
wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 21:21:08 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 20:25:42 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 06:27:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Jun 2024 04:29:30 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Yup, the cancellation was the best possible action. In fact the only sensible
On 2024-06-26, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:39:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote:From the reading of this the advisary board had the recommendations ready
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: >>>>>>>>>https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air >>>>>>>>>freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so >>>>>>>>>they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is >>>>>>>>>concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users >>>>>>>>>that matter to the government . . .)
It seems that sanity is prevailing with new ships ordering not too far >>>>>>>> away:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/06/23/govt-advised-to-replace-cook-strait-ferries-with-new-smaller-boats/
but owing to some "complications" the recommdendations were not acted upon.
Sort of its too hard and it will cost too much. So no action is taken. >>>>>>>
It is really amazing how human nature allows no action until a disaster >>>>>>>strikes, even though everyone knows what should be done.
Looks like we are getting back on track and repairing the state highway 1
between Wellington and Picton.
Covered also here with some good analysis: >>>>>>http://werewolf.co.nz/2024/06/gordon-campbell-on-cancer-drugs-and-the-great-ferries-cancellation-disaster-of-23/
one. Now well understood by sentient beings.
"he decision taken last December to cancel the contract for the two >>>>purpose-built Cook Strait ferries – without having a Plan B in mind, >>>>let alone in place – has been a calamity that’s going to haunt New >>>>Zealand for decades to come, long after the Luxon government has been >>>>consigned to the dustbin of history.
The contract we had signed with South Korea’s giant Hyandfai Mipo >>>>Dockyard had locked in the building cost for ferries large enough (a) >>>>to carry rail economically and (b) carry passengers in relative >>>>comfort. Crucially, the vessels would have been big and sturdy enough >>>>to handle the constant hammering from Cook Strait’s fierce weather >>>>conditions, for the next 30 years or so. The new ferries were due to >>>>start arriving in about 18 -24 months time.
Instead….the ministerial advisory group has recommended that we start >>>>again from scratch and arrange to build smaller boats that won’t be >>>>rail capable. This means that firms will be faced with the extra costs >>>>of the double handling of goods, and/or will have an incentive to put >>>>more goods onto trucks that will (a) generate more carbon emissions, >>>>and (b) cause further costs in road maintenance and (c) pose added >>>>safety risks to motorists who will now be forced to share the
country’s roads with an ever-increasing number of large trucks, for >>>>decades to come.
Moreover, we will be starting out afresh to find foreign shipyards >>>>willing to take on a proven-to-be-unreliable client like New Zealand, >>>>in order to build smaller, less capable, less robust ships at an equal >>>>or even higher price, given the subsequent inflationary pressures. >>>>Besides, we will still need to pay for ferry terminal upgrades that >>>>were the actual source of the alleged cost “blowout” seized on as the >>>>excuse for the cancellation.
Furthermore, we will also have to pay a costly penalty fee for
breaking the original contract, with all the related reputational risk >>>>to this country, at a time when we are looking for shipyards to build >>>>replacements for several of our naval vessels.
Overall, the cancellation decision made by Finance Minister Nicola >>>>Willis is going to end up costing as much – and probably more – once >>>>all of the ancillary costs are put on the tab. At no overall savings, >>>>Willis will have delayed the arrival – by the best part of five years
– of what will be an inferior ferry service across our most important >>>>domestic trade and tourism route. The stupidity and incompetence >>>>surrounding the decision to cancel the ferries order has been >>>>breathtaking. Elsewhere, ministerial resignations have occurred over >>>>far less."
The rest of the article is also worth reading as well . . . .
The fact of the matter remains: ferries were ordered that could not be >>>berthed at any port. That was an incomprehensible decision that tied >>>ferry replacement to port upgrades. It should be noted that most of
the current ferries are not 'rail enabled' - but interestingly do have >>>rail tracks in the floor.
The details are here:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/06/23/govt-advised-to-replace-cook-strait-ferries-with-new-smaller-boats/
The new government is taking actions that the old government should
have taken before the new ferries were ordered.
Possibly, but that was different times, with a government that did not
want to reduce income by twice the cost of the ship through handouts
to landlords.
You are stooping to new lows in your framing of political rhetoric.
You simply don't make sense.
Most of the port work has been completed in Picton.
The Ministerial Group was selected to give the answer that the
government wanted - a bit like the report from Bill English where he
was asked not to talk to the Department . . .
Who would have thought that only non-Labour governments are allegedly >stacking "Ministerial Groups". So you have no substantial rebuttal to
the Governments decisions on Interislander and port upgrades.
On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 11:07:35 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 22:09:30 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:I already posted the following article - did you read it? >http://werewolf.co.nz/2024/06/gordon-campbell-on-cancer-drugs-and-the-great-ferries-cancellation-disaster-of-23/
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 21:21:08 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 20:25:42 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 06:27:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Jun 2024 04:29:30 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Yup, the cancellation was the best possible action. In fact the only sensible
On 2024-06-26, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:39:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote:From the reading of this the advisary board had the recommendations ready
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: >>>>>>>>>>https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air >>>>>>>>>>freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so >>>>>>>>>>they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is
concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users >>>>>>>>>>that matter to the government . . .)
It seems that sanity is prevailing with new ships ordering not too far
away:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/06/23/govt-advised-to-replace-cook-strait-ferries-with-new-smaller-boats/
but owing to some "complications" the recommdendations were not acted upon.
Sort of its too hard and it will cost too much. So no action is taken. >>>>>>>>
It is really amazing how human nature allows no action until a disaster >>>>>>>>strikes, even though everyone knows what should be done.
Looks like we are getting back on track and repairing the state highway 1
between Wellington and Picton.
Covered also here with some good analysis: >>>>>>>http://werewolf.co.nz/2024/06/gordon-campbell-on-cancer-drugs-and-the-great-ferries-cancellation-disaster-of-23/
one. Now well understood by sentient beings.
"he decision taken last December to cancel the contract for the two >>>>>purpose-built Cook Strait ferries – without having a Plan B in mind, >>>>>let alone in place – has been a calamity that’s going to haunt New >>>>>Zealand for decades to come, long after the Luxon government has been >>>>>consigned to the dustbin of history.
The contract we had signed with South Korea’s giant Hyandfai Mipo >>>>>Dockyard had locked in the building cost for ferries large enough (a) >>>>>to carry rail economically and (b) carry passengers in relative >>>>>comfort. Crucially, the vessels would have been big and sturdy enough >>>>>to handle the constant hammering from Cook Strait’s fierce weather >>>>>conditions, for the next 30 years or so. The new ferries were due to >>>>>start arriving in about 18 -24 months time.
Instead….the ministerial advisory group has recommended that we start >>>>>again from scratch and arrange to build smaller boats that won’t be >>>>>rail capable. This means that firms will be faced with the extra costs >>>>>of the double handling of goods, and/or will have an incentive to put >>>>>more goods onto trucks that will (a) generate more carbon emissions, >>>>>and (b) cause further costs in road maintenance and (c) pose added >>>>>safety risks to motorists who will now be forced to share the >>>>>country’s roads with an ever-increasing number of large trucks, for >>>>>decades to come.
Moreover, we will be starting out afresh to find foreign shipyards >>>>>willing to take on a proven-to-be-unreliable client like New Zealand, >>>>>in order to build smaller, less capable, less robust ships at an equal >>>>>or even higher price, given the subsequent inflationary pressures. >>>>>Besides, we will still need to pay for ferry terminal upgrades that >>>>>were the actual source of the alleged cost “blowout” seized on as the >>>>>excuse for the cancellation.
Furthermore, we will also have to pay a costly penalty fee for >>>>>breaking the original contract, with all the related reputational risk >>>>>to this country, at a time when we are looking for shipyards to build >>>>>replacements for several of our naval vessels.
Overall, the cancellation decision made by Finance Minister Nicola >>>>>Willis is going to end up costing as much – and probably more – once >>>>>all of the ancillary costs are put on the tab. At no overall savings, >>>>>Willis will have delayed the arrival – by the best part of five years >>>>>– of what will be an inferior ferry service across our most important >>>>>domestic trade and tourism route. The stupidity and incompetence >>>>>surrounding the decision to cancel the ferries order has been >>>>>breathtaking. Elsewhere, ministerial resignations have occurred over >>>>>far less."
The rest of the article is also worth reading as well . . . .
The fact of the matter remains: ferries were ordered that could not be >>>>berthed at any port. That was an incomprehensible decision that tied >>>>ferry replacement to port upgrades. It should be noted that most of >>>>the current ferries are not 'rail enabled' - but interestingly do have >>>>rail tracks in the floor.
The details are here:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/06/23/govt-advised-to-replace-cook-strait-ferries-with-new-smaller-boats/
The new government is taking actions that the old government should >>>>have taken before the new ferries were ordered.
Possibly, but that was different times, with a government that did not >>>want to reduce income by twice the cost of the ship through handouts
to landlords.
You are stooping to new lows in your framing of political rhetoric.
You simply don't make sense.
Most of the port work has been completed in Picton.
The Ministerial Group was selected to give the answer that the
government wanted - a bit like the report from Bill English where he
was asked not to talk to the Department . . .
Who would have thought that only non-Labour governments are allegedly >>stacking "Ministerial Groups". So you have no substantial rebuttal to
the Governments decisions on Interislander and port upgrades.
try also:
https://x.com/StrayDogNZ/status/1805367790083424632
and to see what deal has been thrown away: >https://x.com/farmgeek/status/1804451225146146950/photo/1
The need for work on the Picton wharf was made more urgent by the
Kaikoura earthquake
As for the stacking of the group asked to give advice on the ferry >replacement, see: >https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/independent-ferry-service-advisory-group-place
which announces the appointment :
“So I’m very pleased to announce the appointment of Nelson Airport
Chief Executive, Mark Thompson as Chair of the Ministerial Advisory
Group. He will be joined by a further two members, Mark Cairns and
Roger Sowry.
“Mark Thompson has had a 30-year career in logistics and transport
operations with senior executive roles in Australasia, the United
States, China and the Philippines, leading public and private service
focused organisations.
“Mark Cairns also brings extensive logistics and transport experience.
He is currently a director of Freightways and Auckland International
Airport . He also has experience in infrastructure, construction,
contracting and capital markets that will be valuable for the advisory
group.
“Roger Sowry is a professional director with considerable governance >expertise. His current and previous director roles span companies in
several sectors including technology, health, infrastructure and
energy. He is also a former Member of Parliament and Cabinet
Minister."
So National appointed the director of an Auckland trucking firm and of >Auckland airport, the Nelson Airport Chief Executive and a former
National; MP. Where is the expertise in either sea or rail?
And how much are we losing from the cancellations? >https://x.com/rugbyintel/status/1805427116936511974
On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 19:44:07 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 11:07:35 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:Political rhetoric devoid of the context that Irex involved ordering
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 22:09:30 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:I already posted the following article - did you read it? >>http://werewolf.co.nz/2024/06/gordon-campbell-on-cancer-drugs-and-the-great-ferries-cancellation-disaster-of-23/
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 21:21:08 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 20:25:42 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 06:27:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Jun 2024 04:29:30 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>Yup, the cancellation was the best possible action. In fact the only sensible
On 2024-06-26, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:39:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>From the reading of this the advisary board had the recommendations ready
wrote:
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: >>>>>>>>>>>https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air >>>>>>>>>>>freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this so
they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government is
concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users >>>>>>>>>>>that matter to the government . . .)
It seems that sanity is prevailing with new ships ordering not too far
away:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/06/23/govt-advised-to-replace-cook-strait-ferries-with-new-smaller-boats/
but owing to some "complications" the recommdendations were not acted upon.
Sort of its too hard and it will cost too much. So no action is taken. >>>>>>>>>
It is really amazing how human nature allows no action until a disaster
strikes, even though everyone knows what should be done.
Looks like we are getting back on track and repairing the state highway 1
between Wellington and Picton.
Covered also here with some good analysis: >>>>>>>>http://werewolf.co.nz/2024/06/gordon-campbell-on-cancer-drugs-and-the-great-ferries-cancellation-disaster-of-23/
one. Now well understood by sentient beings.
"he decision taken last December to cancel the contract for the two >>>>>>purpose-built Cook Strait ferries – without having a Plan B in mind, >>>>>>let alone in place – has been a calamity that’s going to haunt New >>>>>>Zealand for decades to come, long after the Luxon government has been >>>>>>consigned to the dustbin of history.
The contract we had signed with South Korea’s giant Hyandfai Mipo >>>>>>Dockyard had locked in the building cost for ferries large enough (a) >>>>>>to carry rail economically and (b) carry passengers in relative >>>>>>comfort. Crucially, the vessels would have been big and sturdy enough >>>>>>to handle the constant hammering from Cook Strait’s fierce weather >>>>>>conditions, for the next 30 years or so. The new ferries were due to >>>>>>start arriving in about 18 -24 months time.
Instead….the ministerial advisory group has recommended that we start >>>>>>again from scratch and arrange to build smaller boats that won’t be >>>>>>rail capable. This means that firms will be faced with the extra costs >>>>>>of the double handling of goods, and/or will have an incentive to put >>>>>>more goods onto trucks that will (a) generate more carbon emissions, >>>>>>and (b) cause further costs in road maintenance and (c) pose added >>>>>>safety risks to motorists who will now be forced to share the >>>>>>country’s roads with an ever-increasing number of large trucks, for >>>>>>decades to come.
Moreover, we will be starting out afresh to find foreign shipyards >>>>>>willing to take on a proven-to-be-unreliable client like New Zealand, >>>>>>in order to build smaller, less capable, less robust ships at an equal >>>>>>or even higher price, given the subsequent inflationary pressures. >>>>>>Besides, we will still need to pay for ferry terminal upgrades that >>>>>>were the actual source of the alleged cost “blowout” seized on as the >>>>>>excuse for the cancellation.
Furthermore, we will also have to pay a costly penalty fee for >>>>>>breaking the original contract, with all the related reputational risk >>>>>>to this country, at a time when we are looking for shipyards to build >>>>>>replacements for several of our naval vessels.
Overall, the cancellation decision made by Finance Minister Nicola >>>>>>Willis is going to end up costing as much – and probably more – once >>>>>>all of the ancillary costs are put on the tab. At no overall savings, >>>>>>Willis will have delayed the arrival – by the best part of five years >>>>>>– of what will be an inferior ferry service across our most important >>>>>>domestic trade and tourism route. The stupidity and incompetence >>>>>>surrounding the decision to cancel the ferries order has been >>>>>>breathtaking. Elsewhere, ministerial resignations have occurred over >>>>>>far less."
The rest of the article is also worth reading as well . . . .
The fact of the matter remains: ferries were ordered that could not be >>>>>berthed at any port. That was an incomprehensible decision that tied >>>>>ferry replacement to port upgrades. It should be noted that most of >>>>>the current ferries are not 'rail enabled' - but interestingly do have >>>>>rail tracks in the floor.
The details are here:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/06/23/govt-advised-to-replace-cook-strait-ferries-with-new-smaller-boats/
The new government is taking actions that the old government should >>>>>have taken before the new ferries were ordered.
Possibly, but that was different times, with a government that did not >>>>want to reduce income by twice the cost of the ship through handouts
to landlords.
You are stooping to new lows in your framing of political rhetoric.
You simply don't make sense.
Most of the port work has been completed in Picton.
The Ministerial Group was selected to give the answer that the >>>>government wanted - a bit like the report from Bill English where he >>>>was asked not to talk to the Department . . .
Who would have thought that only non-Labour governments are allegedly >>>stacking "Ministerial Groups". So you have no substantial rebuttal to >>>the Governments decisions on Interislander and port upgrades.
ferries that could not be berthed at existing ports.
Why not? Just because you don't like what they say, do you disputetry also:Are you serious? X is not usable as a cite.
https://x.com/StrayDogNZ/status/1805367790083424632
Same query againand to see what deal has been thrown away: >>https://x.com/farmgeek/status/1804451225146146950/photo/1See above.
The need for work on the Picton wharf was made more urgent by theNow nearly complete as you have said earlier and not a part of the
Kaikoura earthquake
government decision to cancel Irex.
Yeah yeah. So what?
As for the stacking of the group asked to give advice on the ferry >>replacement, see: >>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/independent-ferry-service-advisory-group-place
which announces the appointment :
“So I’m very pleased to announce the appointment of Nelson Airport
Chief Executive, Mark Thompson as Chair of the Ministerial Advisory
Group. He will be joined by a further two members, Mark Cairns and
Roger Sowry.
“Mark Thompson has had a 30-year career in logistics and transport >>operations with senior executive roles in Australasia, the United
States, China and the Philippines, leading public and private service >>focused organisations.
“Mark Cairns also brings extensive logistics and transport experience.
He is currently a director of Freightways and Auckland International >>Airport . He also has experience in infrastructure, construction, >>contracting and capital markets that will be valuable for the advisory >>group.
“Roger Sowry is a professional director with considerable governance >>expertise. His current and previous director roles span companies in >>several sectors including technology, health, infrastructure and
energy. He is also a former Member of Parliament and Cabinet
Minister."
So National appointed the director of an Auckland trucking firm and of >>Auckland airport, the Nelson Airport Chief Executive and a former
National; MP. Where is the expertise in either sea or rail?
No, steel had been purchased and stored; and the ships were due to beAnd how much are we losing from the cancellations? >>https://x.com/rugbyintel/status/1805427116936511974
See above, but near in mind that the government cancellation of Irex
was because $3.1 billion EXTRA was being sought and that was declined.
It should be noted that the cancelled order had not yet got to a start
on the build so the cost is purely a cancellation of contract, not a
recovery on a started build.
Keep digging yourself into a bigger hole Rich. You have succeeded
only in demonstrating how the last Labour government excelled at
wasting taxpayers money on gold-plated projects subject to
uncontrolled cost blowouts prior to completion.
On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 22:10:16 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 19:44:07 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 11:07:35 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:Political rhetoric devoid of the context that Irex involved ordering >>ferries that could not be berthed at existing ports.
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 22:09:30 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:I already posted the following article - did you read it? >>>http://werewolf.co.nz/2024/06/gordon-campbell-on-cancer-drugs-and-the-great-ferries-cancellation-disaster-of-23/
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 21:21:08 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 20:25:42 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 06:27:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Jun 2024 04:29:30 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>Yup, the cancellation was the best possible action. In fact the only >>>>>>>>sensible
On 2024-06-26, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:39:47 +1200, Rich80105 >>>>>>>>>>><Rich80105@hotmail.com>From the reading of this the advisary board had the recommendations >>>>>>>>>>ready
wrote:
https://www.thepost.co.nz/politics/350321642/luxon-has-no-regrets-about-cancelling-new-cook-strait-ferries
and for some comments: >>>>>>>>>>>>https://www.reddit.com/r/nzpolitics/comments/1dmxi5p/nz_goes_to_the_back_of_the_queue_for_new_ferries/
So who are the winners? Morgan Stanley (who own Bluebridge), and air
freight forms and trucking. Gosh - are we surprised - and all this >>>>>>>>>>>>so
they could afford tax cuts for landlords - as far as the government >>>>>>>>>>>>is
concerned there are no losers! (or perhaps more accurately, no users
that matter to the government . . .)
It seems that sanity is prevailing with new ships ordering not too >>>>>>>>>>>far
away:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/06/23/govt-advised-to-replace-cook-strait-ferries-with-new-smaller-boats/
but owing to some "complications" the recommdendations were not acted >>>>>>>>>>upon.
Sort of its too hard and it will cost too much. So no action is taken.
It is really amazing how human nature allows no action until a >>>>>>>>>>disaster
strikes, even though everyone knows what should be done.
Looks like we are getting back on track and repairing the state >>>>>>>>>>highway 1
between Wellington and Picton.
Covered also here with some good analysis: >>>>>>>>>http://werewolf.co.nz/2024/06/gordon-campbell-on-cancer-drugs-and-the-great-ferries-cancellation-disaster-of-23/
one. Now well understood by sentient beings.
"he decision taken last December to cancel the contract for the two >>>>>>>purpose-built Cook Strait ferries – without having a Plan B in mind, >>>>>>>let alone in place – has been a calamity that’s going to haunt New >>>>>>>Zealand for decades to come, long after the Luxon government has been >>>>>>>consigned to the dustbin of history.
The contract we had signed with South Korea’s giant Hyandfai Mipo >>>>>>>Dockyard had locked in the building cost for ferries large enough (a) >>>>>>>to carry rail economically and (b) carry passengers in relative >>>>>>>comfort. Crucially, the vessels would have been big and sturdy enough >>>>>>>to handle the constant hammering from Cook Strait’s fierce weather >>>>>>>conditions, for the next 30 years or so. The new ferries were due to >>>>>>>start arriving in about 18 -24 months time.
Instead….the ministerial advisory group has recommended that we start >>>>>>>again from scratch and arrange to build smaller boats that won’t be >>>>>>>rail capable. This means that firms will be faced with the extra costs >>>>>>>of the double handling of goods, and/or will have an incentive to put >>>>>>>more goods onto trucks that will (a) generate more carbon emissions, >>>>>>>and (b) cause further costs in road maintenance and (c) pose added >>>>>>>safety risks to motorists who will now be forced to share the >>>>>>>country’s roads with an ever-increasing number of large trucks, for >>>>>>>decades to come.
Moreover, we will be starting out afresh to find foreign shipyards >>>>>>>willing to take on a proven-to-be-unreliable client like New Zealand, >>>>>>>in order to build smaller, less capable, less robust ships at an equal >>>>>>>or even higher price, given the subsequent inflationary pressures. >>>>>>>Besides, we will still need to pay for ferry terminal upgrades that >>>>>>>were the actual source of the alleged cost “blowout” seized on as the >>>>>>>excuse for the cancellation.
Furthermore, we will also have to pay a costly penalty fee for >>>>>>>breaking the original contract, with all the related reputational risk >>>>>>>to this country, at a time when we are looking for shipyards to build >>>>>>>replacements for several of our naval vessels.
Overall, the cancellation decision made by Finance Minister Nicola >>>>>>>Willis is going to end up costing as much – and probably more – once >>>>>>>all of the ancillary costs are put on the tab. At no overall savings, >>>>>>>Willis will have delayed the arrival – by the best part of five years >>>>>>>– of what will be an inferior ferry service across our most important >>>>>>>domestic trade and tourism route. The stupidity and incompetence >>>>>>>surrounding the decision to cancel the ferries order has been >>>>>>>breathtaking. Elsewhere, ministerial resignations have occurred over >>>>>>>far less."
The rest of the article is also worth reading as well . . . .
The fact of the matter remains: ferries were ordered that could not be >>>>>>berthed at any port. That was an incomprehensible decision that tied >>>>>>ferry replacement to port upgrades. It should be noted that most of >>>>>>the current ferries are not 'rail enabled' - but interestingly do have >>>>>>rail tracks in the floor.
The details are here:
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/06/23/govt-advised-to-replace-cook-strait-ferries-with-new-smaller-boats/
The new government is taking actions that the old government should >>>>>>have taken before the new ferries were ordered.
Possibly, but that was different times, with a government that did not >>>>>want to reduce income by twice the cost of the ship through handouts >>>>>to landlords.
You are stooping to new lows in your framing of political rhetoric.
You simply don't make sense.
Most of the port work has been completed in Picton.
The Ministerial Group was selected to give the answer that the >>>>>government wanted - a bit like the report from Bill English where he >>>>>was asked not to talk to the Department . . .
Who would have thought that only non-Labour governments are allegedly >>>>stacking "Ministerial Groups". So you have no substantial rebuttal to >>>>the Governments decisions on Interislander and port upgrades.
The Kaikoura earthquake prompted the need to review quite a lot of >facilities, and one that had some urgency was the Picton wharf and
terminal - I suspect also contributing was various impacts from
ferries over the years. Slightly different considerations led to work >starting on a new site for the ferry terminal in at the Wellington
end.
Why not? Just because you don't like what they say, do you dispute
try also:Are you serious? X is not usable as a cite.
https://x.com/StrayDogNZ/status/1805367790083424632
that the video is real?
Same query again
and to see what deal has been thrown away: >>>https://x.com/farmgeek/status/1804451225146146950/photo/1See above.
The need for work on the Picton wharf was made more urgent by the >>>Kaikoura earthquakeNow nearly complete as you have said earlier and not a part of the >>government decision to cancel Irex.
The cost of those upgrades has been given as part of the reason for
the cancellation of the ships. When you consider the cost for the
order made, it is significantly lower than the likely cost for a new
ship now - the market has changed and costs are higher, and Luxon has >admitted that there will be a $300 million loss on the cancellation.
Yeah yeah. So what?
As for the stacking of the group asked to give advice on the ferry >>>replacement, see: >>>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/independent-ferry-service-advisory-group-place
which announces the appointment :
“So I’m very pleased to announce the appointment of Nelson Airport
Chief Executive, Mark Thompson as Chair of the Ministerial Advisory >>>Group. He will be joined by a further two members, Mark Cairns and
Roger Sowry.
“Mark Thompson has had a 30-year career in logistics and transport >>>operations with senior executive roles in Australasia, the United
States, China and the Philippines, leading public and private service >>>focused organisations.
“Mark Cairns also brings extensive logistics and transport experience.
He is currently a director of Freightways and Auckland International >>>Airport . He also has experience in infrastructure, construction, >>>contracting and capital markets that will be valuable for the advisory >>>group.
“Roger Sowry is a professional director with considerable governance >>>expertise. His current and previous director roles span companies in >>>several sectors including technology, health, infrastructure and
energy. He is also a former Member of Parliament and Cabinet
Minister."
So National appointed the director of an Auckland trucking firm and of >>>Auckland airport, the Nelson Airport Chief Executive and a former >>>National; MP. Where is the expertise in either sea or rail?
It is an ''independent'' review in exactly the same way as the recent
Bill English review was a jackup - he was not supposed to speak to the >department, and he gave the conclusions the politicians wanted they
then ignored the facts disclosed which showed that he had been wrong.
And may not. You are guessing.No, steel had been purchased and stored; and the ships were due to be >delivered in only a few years - work had started. They may well be
And how much are we losing from the cancellations? >>>https://x.com/rugbyintel/status/1805427116936511974
See above, but near in mind that the government cancellation of Irex
was because $3.1 billion EXTRA was being sought and that was declined.
It should be noted that the cancelled order had not yet got to a start
on the build so the cost is purely a cancellation of contract, not a >>recovery on a started build.
able to sell to another purchaser, but there is a net cost to NZ of
around $300 million - confirmed by Luxon. A new order for a different
ship may well take longer, and cost more.
Keep digging yourself into a bigger hole Rich. You have succeeded
only in demonstrating how the last Labour government excelled at
wasting taxpayers money on gold-plated projects subject to
uncontrolled cost blowouts prior to completion.
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