Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are >running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to givesorry missed the second link: https://www.bikeauckland.org.nz/listen-to-aucklands-children-and-keep-safe-speed-limits/
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and
businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of
prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in
hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist
Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to
burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political)
donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are >running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to giveYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? No, because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser that makes you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this country out of the Labour caused depression we are in.
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and
businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of
prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in
hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist
Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to
burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political)
donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to give
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and
businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of
prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in
hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist
Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to
burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political)
donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are >>running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to giveYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? No, because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser that makes
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and
businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of
prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in
hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist
Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to
burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this country out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
On 2024-07-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are >>>running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to give >>>them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition ofYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? No,
prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in
hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist
Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to
burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser that makes
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this country out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
As well as getting out of the lack of confidence.
On 2024-07-02, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are
running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to give
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and
businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of
prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in
hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist
Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to
burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political)
donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
And let us remember that the previous Labour Government increased the >hospital loads by mandating the Covid-19 vaccines.
Also speed does not kill, inmcomptent drivers do.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are >>running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to giveYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? No, >because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser that makes >you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this country out
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and
businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of
prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in
hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist
Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to
burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
On 3 Jul 2024 00:52:05 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:You incessant sarcasm and deliberate mis statement of posts by more competent folk than yourself is shared by an increasing number of people.
On 2024-07-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are >>>>running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to give >>>>them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they >>>>may well say they are just facilitating competition - ChemistYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? No, >>> because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser that >>>makes
Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to
burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>>>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this country >>>out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
As well as getting out of the lack of confidence.
Your problem with lack of confidence in the current government is
shared by an increasing number of people, Gordon.
There are a lot ofNot worsening, but still bad because of the incompetence of the last government.
businesses closing due to worsening business conditions
- many areNo that is untrue. In fact it is a lie.
concerned about the effect of very high rate increases that will come
through in the next year, and the expectation that wages and salaries
are unlikely to keep pace with inflation. The cannot see the benefits
now accruing to landlords affecting them at all For most, 2024 is
turning out to be much harder than earlier years . . . .
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 21:04:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo they are not going to die because of any of those decisions. You are an appalling creature - it is you that cares not at all.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are >>>running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to give >>>them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition ofYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? No, >>because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser that >>makes
prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in
hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist
Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to
burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this country >>out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
Perhaps my attempt to soften the criticism confused you Tony. People
are going to die as a result of these decisions, Tony - do you not
care about that?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 21:04:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo they are not going to die because of any of those decisions. You are an >appalling creature - it is you that cares not at all.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are >>>>running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to give >>>>them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they >>>>may well say they are just facilitating competition - ChemistYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? No, >>>because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser that >>>makes
Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to
burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>>>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this country >>>out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
Perhaps my attempt to soften the criticism confused you Tony. People
are going to die as a result of these decisions, Tony - do you not
care about that?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Try this as just one story: https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/03/construction-downturn-bites-hard-as-kainga-ora-refocuses/
On 3 Jul 2024 00:52:05 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:You incessant sarcasm and deliberate mis statement of posts by more competent >folk than yourself is shared by an increasing number of people.
On 2024-07-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are >>>>>running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to give >>>>>them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they >>>>>may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to >>>>>burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition" >>>>>to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>>>>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?Your sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? No, >>>> because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser that >>>>makes
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
As well as getting out of the lack of confidence.
Your problem with lack of confidence in the current government is
shared by an increasing number of people, Gordon.
There are a lot ofNot worsening, but still bad because of the incompetence of the last government.
businesses closing due to worsening business conditions
- many areNo that is untrue. In fact it is a lie.
concerned about the effect of very high rate increases that will come >>through in the next year, and the expectation that wages and salaries
are unlikely to keep pace with inflation. The cannot see the benefits
now accruing to landlords affecting them at all For most, 2024 is
turning out to be much harder than earlier years . . . .
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:10:46 -0000 (UTC), TonyUnsupported politicking.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 21:04:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo they are not going to die because of any of those decisions. You are an >>appalling creature - it is you that cares not at all.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are >>>>>running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to give >>>>>them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they >>>>>may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to >>>>>burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition" >>>>>to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>>>>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?Your sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? No, >>>>because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser that >>>>makes
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this country >>>>out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
Perhaps my attempt to soften the criticism confused you Tony. People
are going to die as a result of these decisions, Tony - do you not
care about that?
Not what is says here: >https://www.bikeauckland.org.nz/listen-to-aucklands-children-and-keep-safe-speed-limits/
or in the article above about higher rates of hospital admissions forNot true - there is no increase in prescription charges. The reduction was never applied - and you know it.
those that cannot afford to collect prescriptions.
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:09:23 -0000 (UTC), TonyAbsolute nonsense. Go away until you can debate with facts and not fantasy.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Try this as just one story: >https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/03/construction-downturn-bites-hard-as-kainga-ora-refocuses/
On 3 Jul 2024 00:52:05 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:You incessant sarcasm and deliberate mis statement of posts by more competent >>folk than yourself is shared by an increasing number of people.
On 2024-07-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are >>>>>>running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to give >>>>>>them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they >>>>>>may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to >>>>>>burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition" >>>>>>to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>>>>>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?Your sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? No, >>>>> because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser that >>>>>makes
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this >>>>>country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
As well as getting out of the lack of confidence.
Your problem with lack of confidence in the current government is
shared by an increasing number of people, Gordon.
There are a lot ofNot worsening, but still bad because of the incompetence of the last >>government.
businesses closing due to worsening business conditions
- many areNo that is untrue. In fact it is a lie.
concerned about the effect of very high rate increases that will come >>>through in the next year, and the expectation that wages and salaries
are unlikely to keep pace with inflation. The cannot see the benefits
now accruing to landlords affecting them at all For most, 2024 is
turning out to be much harder than earlier years . . . .
The construction sector is starting to shut down as this government
stops building new homes, and this article highlights the problems in
the construction sector for private builds.
National is not just making a lot of people redundant, many businesses
are failing, fear of known cost increases and higher interest rates is >keeping many New Zealanders from spending or taking loans; many retail >businesses are failing - this government is frittering its time away
by telling teachers how to teach, by dropping local authorities in
huge holes with no way out, tightening rules for bank lending, not
being prepared to pay what is needed to keep GPs working (many are
retiring or moving), not able to recruit for hospitals. losing police
to Australia, etc. etc.
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are >running out of work -
so we first have Simeon Brown determined to give
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and
businesses) want kept lower,
Now we have the reimposition of
prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in
hospital.
Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist
Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to
burn off more small chemists
- that is presumably "fair competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political)
donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
On Wed, 03 Jul 2024 07:54:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are >>running out of work -
That is such an absurd statement - but it reveals the lengths you are prepared to go to in order to promote anti-government rhetoric.
so we first have Simeon Brown determined to give
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and
businesses) want kept lower,
Where I live, both NZTA and the district council lowered speed limits
against local opposition. The District Council did consult on this
but then ignored the majority of submissions.
Now we have the reimposition of
prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in
hospital.
For those on low incomes (including me now) there is a Community
Services Card available and these exempt cardholders from all
prescription fees (amongst other things).
Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist
Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to
burn off more small chemists
More of your worthless political rhetoric - and this time again using
a name-calling tactic typical of young children.
That says a lot about you - clearly more than you realise. You have
to include this stuff because factual rebuttal of government actions
is just not enough for you to post on.
This behaviour is the reason I do not respond to most of your posts.
You are not worth engagement at the level that Tony (in particular)
does.
Perhaps a fact-check is required here. Chemists are required to be substantially owned by individual qualified pharmacists. Companies
like Chemist Warehouse (and Bargain Chemist, Unichem/Life etc)) are
most often procurement agencies meaning that member pharmacies get
products (including non-subsidised medicines) at a bulk discount
price.
Most prescriptions are for medicines supplied and subsidised by
Pharmac. Chemist Warehouse probably sacrifice the prescription fee on
the basis that impulse or planned purchases of high-margin products in
the same visit offset that loss.
There are other chains such as Unichem/Life, that do not do this. They clearly think Chemist Warehouse have the wrong strategy.
- that is presumably "fair competition"Just pathetic rhetoric.
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:09:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Try this as just one story: https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/03/construction-downturn-bites-hard-as-kainga-ora-refocuses/
On 3 Jul 2024 00:52:05 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:You incessant sarcasm and deliberate mis statement of posts by more competent >>folk than yourself is shared by an increasing number of people.
On 2024-07-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are >>>>>>running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to give >>>>>>them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they >>>>>>may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to >>>>>>burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition" >>>>>>to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>>>>>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?Your sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? No, >>>>> because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser that >>>>>makes
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
As well as getting out of the lack of confidence.
Your problem with lack of confidence in the current government is
shared by an increasing number of people, Gordon.
There are a lot ofNot worsening, but still bad because of the incompetence of the last government.
businesses closing due to worsening business conditions
- many areNo that is untrue. In fact it is a lie.
concerned about the effect of very high rate increases that will come >>>through in the next year, and the expectation that wages and salaries
are unlikely to keep pace with inflation. The cannot see the benefits
now accruing to landlords affecting them at all For most, 2024 is
turning out to be much harder than earlier years . . . .
The construction sector is starting to shut down as this government
stops building new homes, and this article highlights the problems in
the construction sector for private builds.
National is not just making a lot of people redundant, many businesses
are failing, fear of known cost increases and higher interest rates is keeping many New Zealanders from spending or taking loans; many retail businesses are failing - this government is frittering its time away
by telling teachers how to teach, by dropping local authorities in
huge holes with no way out, tightening rules for bank lending, not
being prepared to pay what is needed to keep GPs working (many are
retiring or moving), not able to recruit for hospitals. losing police
to Australia, etc. etc.
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:10:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 21:04:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo they are not going to die because of any of those decisions. You are an >>appalling creature - it is you that cares not at all.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are >>>>>running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to give >>>>>them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they >>>>>may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to >>>>>burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition" >>>>>to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>>>>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?Your sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? No, >>>>because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser that >>>>makes
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this country >>>>out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
Perhaps my attempt to soften the criticism confused you Tony. People
are going to die as a result of these decisions, Tony - do you not
care about that?
Not what is says here: https://www.bikeauckland.org.nz/listen-to-aucklands-children-and-keep-safe-speed-limits/
or in the article above about higher rates of hospital admissions for
those that cannot afford to collect prescriptions.
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:10:46 -0000 (UTC), TonySo that is the bike folks avocating through a Stuff article. Certainly
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 21:04:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo they are not going to die because of any of those decisions. You are an >>>appalling creature - it is you that cares not at all.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are >>>>>>running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to give >>>>>>them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they >>>>>>may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to >>>>>>burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition" >>>>>>to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>>>>>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?Your sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? No, >>>>>because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser that >>>>>makes
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
Perhaps my attempt to soften the criticism confused you Tony. People >>>>are going to die as a result of these decisions, Tony - do you not
care about that?
Not what is says here:
https://www.bikeauckland.org.nz/listen-to-aucklands-children-and-keep-safe-speed-limits/
or in the article above about higher rates of hospital admissions for
those that cannot afford to collect prescriptions.
double bias.
On Wed, 03 Jul 2024 14:50:43 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st -...
How much do you value your freedom Rich80105?
Bill.
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:which is also covered here: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/521254/watch-housing-minister-reveals-housing-planning-changes-to-flood-country-with-new-homes
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:09:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Try this as just one story:
On 3 Jul 2024 00:52:05 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:You incessant sarcasm and deliberate mis statement of posts by more competent
On 2024-07-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are >>>>>>>running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to give >>>>>>>them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they >>>>>>>may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to >>>>>>>burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition" >>>>>>>to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>>>>>>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?Your sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? No, >>>>>> because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser that >>>>>>makes
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
As well as getting out of the lack of confidence.
Your problem with lack of confidence in the current government is >>>>shared by an increasing number of people, Gordon.
folk than yourself is shared by an increasing number of people.
There are a lot ofNot worsening, but still bad because of the incompetence of the last government.
businesses closing due to worsening business conditions
- many areNo that is untrue. In fact it is a lie.
concerned about the effect of very high rate increases that will come >>>>through in the next year, and the expectation that wages and salaries >>>>are unlikely to keep pace with inflation. The cannot see the benefits >>>>now accruing to landlords affecting them at all For most, 2024 is >>>>turning out to be much harder than earlier years . . . .
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/03/construction-downturn-bites-hard-as-kainga-ora-refocuses/
The construction sector is starting to shut down as this government
stops building new homes, and this article highlights the problems in
the construction sector for private builds.
And yet we have
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350331318/chris-bishop-sets-out-radical-land-use-and-planning-reforms
Why would we accept something that is blatantly untrue?National is not just making a lot of people redundant, many businesses
are failing, fear of known cost increases and higher interest rates is
keeping many New Zealanders from spending or taking loans; many retail
businesses are failing - this government is frittering its time away
by telling teachers how to teach, by dropping local authorities in
huge holes with no way out, tightening rules for bank lending, not
being prepared to pay what is needed to keep GPs working (many are
retiring or moving), not able to recruit for hospitals. losing police
to Australia, etc. etc.
We need to accept that the previous Goverment spent up large, and there is >now none left. Without money spending is difficult while dealing with >reality.
Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st -...
On 4 Jul 2024 05:08:15 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:That is not the issue, the degree of speed is the issue as is the balance between freedom and consequences - obviously.
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:10:46 -0000 (UTC), TonySo that is the bike folks avocating through a Stuff article. Certainly >>double bias.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 21:04:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No they are not going to die because of any of those decisions. You are an >>>>appalling creature - it is you that cares not at all.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are >>>>>>>running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to give >>>>>>>them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they >>>>>>>may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to >>>>>>>burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition" >>>>>>>to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>>>>>>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?Your sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? No, >>>>>>because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser that >>>>>>makes
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this >>>>>>country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
Perhaps my attempt to soften the criticism confused you Tony. People >>>>>are going to die as a result of these decisions, Tony - do you not >>>>>care about that?
Not what is says here:
https://www.bikeauckland.org.nz/listen-to-aucklands-children-and-keep-safe-speed-limits/
or in the article above about higher rates of hospital admissions for
those that cannot afford to collect prescriptions.
Have you any evidence that higher speeds do not lead to more severe
injuries in the event of an accident?
On 4 Jul 2024 04:59:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Guesswork.
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:which is also covered here: >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/521254/watch-housing-minister-reveals-housing-planning-changes-to-flood-country-with-new-homes
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:09:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Try this as just one story:
On 3 Jul 2024 00:52:05 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:You incessant sarcasm and deliberate mis statement of posts by more >>>>competent
On 2024-07-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are >>>>>>>>running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to give >>>>>>>>them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they >>>>>>>>may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to >>>>>>>>burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition" >>>>>>>>to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>>>>>>>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?Your sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? >>>>>>>No,
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser >>>>>>>that
makes
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this >>>>>>>country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
As well as getting out of the lack of confidence.
Your problem with lack of confidence in the current government is >>>>>shared by an increasing number of people, Gordon.
folk than yourself is shared by an increasing number of people.
There are a lot ofNot worsening, but still bad because of the incompetence of the last >>>>government.
businesses closing due to worsening business conditions
- many areNo that is untrue. In fact it is a lie.
concerned about the effect of very high rate increases that will come >>>>>through in the next year, and the expectation that wages and salaries >>>>>are unlikely to keep pace with inflation. The cannot see the benefits >>>>>now accruing to landlords affecting them at all For most, 2024 is >>>>>turning out to be much harder than earlier years . . . .
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/03/construction-downturn-bites-hard-as-kainga-ora-refocuses/
The construction sector is starting to shut down as this government
stops building new homes, and this article highlights the problems in
the construction sector for private builds.
And yet we have
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350331318/chris-bishop-sets-out-radical-land-use-and-planning-reforms
and some comment here: >https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018945459/govt-announces-policies-so-cities-can-be-expanded-outwards
and Brown is currently talking about problems for Auckland from the >dictatorial approach being taken.
The reality is that local authorities will charge through the roof for >services in new areas where they do not want new developments - until
they get through the requirements for 3 waters without government
assistance.
Otherwise all Bishop is doing is yet another flip flop on the similarNo the government is trying to fix the fuckups by the last government. Simple.
rule changes under Labour where they allowed higher density in cities
- and from commentary so far it will allow dwellings that are less
safe - being a developer is likely to get extremely risky . . .
Why would we accept something that is blatantly untrue?National is not just making a lot of people redundant, many businesses
are failing, fear of known cost increases and higher interest rates is
keeping many New Zealanders from spending or taking loans; many retail
businesses are failing - this government is frittering its time away
by telling teachers how to teach, by dropping local authorities in
huge holes with no way out, tightening rules for bank lending, not
being prepared to pay what is needed to keep GPs working (many are
retiring or moving), not able to recruit for hospitals. losing police
to Australia, etc. etc.
We need to accept that the previous Goverment spent up large, and there is >>now none left. Without money spending is difficult while dealing with >>reality.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Jul 2024 05:08:15 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:That is not the issue, the degree of speed is the issue as is the balance >between freedom and consequences - obviously.
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:10:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:So that is the bike folks avocating through a Stuff article. Certainly >>>double bias.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 21:04:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No they are not going to die because of any of those decisions. You are an >>>>>appalling creature - it is you that cares not at all.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are >>>>>>>>running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to give >>>>>>>>them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they >>>>>>>>may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to >>>>>>>>burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition" >>>>>>>>to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>>>>>>>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?Your sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? No, >>>>>>>because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser that >>>>>>>makes
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this >>>>>>>country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
Perhaps my attempt to soften the criticism confused you Tony. People >>>>>>are going to die as a result of these decisions, Tony - do you not >>>>>>care about that?
Not what is says here:
https://www.bikeauckland.org.nz/listen-to-aucklands-children-and-keep-safe-speed-limits/
or in the article above about higher rates of hospital admissions for
those that cannot afford to collect prescriptions.
Have you any evidence that higher speeds do not lead to more severe >>injuries in the event of an accident?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Jul 2024 04:59:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Guesswork.
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:which is also covered here: >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/521254/watch-housing-minister-reveals-housing-planning-changes-to-flood-country-with-new-homes
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:09:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Try this as just one story:
On 3 Jul 2024 00:52:05 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:You incessant sarcasm and deliberate mis statement of posts by more >>>>>competent
On 2024-07-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are >>>>>>>>>running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to give >>>>>>>>>them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they >>>>>>>>>may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to >>>>>>>>>burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition" >>>>>>>>>to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>>>>>>>>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?Your sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? >>>>>>>>No,
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser >>>>>>>>that
makes
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this >>>>>>>>country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
As well as getting out of the lack of confidence.
Your problem with lack of confidence in the current government is >>>>>>shared by an increasing number of people, Gordon.
folk than yourself is shared by an increasing number of people.
There are a lot ofNot worsening, but still bad because of the incompetence of the last >>>>>government.
businesses closing due to worsening business conditions
- many areNo that is untrue. In fact it is a lie.
concerned about the effect of very high rate increases that will come >>>>>>through in the next year, and the expectation that wages and salaries >>>>>>are unlikely to keep pace with inflation. The cannot see the benefits >>>>>>now accruing to landlords affecting them at all For most, 2024 is >>>>>>turning out to be much harder than earlier years . . . .
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/03/construction-downturn-bites-hard-as-kainga-ora-refocuses/
The construction sector is starting to shut down as this government
stops building new homes, and this article highlights the problems in
the construction sector for private builds.
And yet we have
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350331318/chris-bishop-sets-out-radical-land-use-and-planning-reforms
and some comment here: >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018945459/govt-announces-policies-so-cities-can-be-expanded-outwards
and Brown is currently talking about problems for Auckland from the >>dictatorial approach being taken.
The reality is that local authorities will charge through the roof for >>services in new areas where they do not want new developments - until
they get through the requirements for 3 waters without government >>assistance.
No the government is trying to fix the fuckups by the last government. Simple. What fuckups?
Otherwise all Bishop is doing is yet another flip flop on the similar
rule changes under Labour where they allowed higher density in cities
- and from commentary so far it will allow dwellings that are less
safe - being a developer is likely to get extremely risky . . .
Why would we accept something that is blatantly untrue?National is not just making a lot of people redundant, many businesses >>>> are failing, fear of known cost increases and higher interest rates is >>>> keeping many New Zealanders from spending or taking loans; many retail >>>> businesses are failing - this government is frittering its time away
by telling teachers how to teach, by dropping local authorities in
huge holes with no way out, tightening rules for bank lending, not
being prepared to pay what is needed to keep GPs working (many are
retiring or moving), not able to recruit for hospitals. losing police
to Australia, etc. etc.
We need to accept that the previous Goverment spent up large, and there is >>>now none left. Without money spending is difficult while dealing with >>>reality.
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 06:53:50 -0000 (UTC), TonyI don;t believe in freedom to speed you half wit. I did not say that. You are a sociopathic misfit and belong in a gulag.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Jul 2024 05:08:15 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:That is not the issue, the degree of speed is the issue as is the balance >>between freedom and consequences - obviously.
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:10:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:So that is the bike folks avocating through a Stuff article. Certainly >>>>double bias.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 21:04:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No they are not going to die because of any of those decisions. You are >>>>>>an
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they are >>>>>>>>>running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to give >>>>>>>>>them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they >>>>>>>>>may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to >>>>>>>>>burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition" >>>>>>>>>to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>>>>>>>>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?Your sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? >>>>>>>>No,
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser >>>>>>>>that
makes
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this >>>>>>>>country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
Perhaps my attempt to soften the criticism confused you Tony. People >>>>>>>are going to die as a result of these decisions, Tony - do you not >>>>>>>care about that?
appalling creature - it is you that cares not at all.
Not what is says here:
https://www.bikeauckland.org.nz/listen-to-aucklands-children-and-keep-safe-speed-limits/
or in the article above about higher rates of hospital admissions for >>>>> those that cannot afford to collect prescriptions.
Have you any evidence that higher speeds do not lead to more severe >>>injuries in the event of an accident?
And parents are concerned that higher speeds near schools may well
mean that an accident kills or severely injures more often than at
lower speeds. So your freedom to speed conflicts with a childs
freedom to live . . .
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 06:50:28 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou said "through the roof" which implies more than "full cost" and was deliberately emotive.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Jul 2024 04:59:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Guesswork.
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:which is also covered here: >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/521254/watch-housing-minister-reveals-housing-planning-changes-to-flood-country-with-new-homes
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:09:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Try this as just one story:
On 3 Jul 2024 00:52:05 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:You incessant sarcasm and deliberate mis statement of posts by more >>>>>>competent
On 2024-07-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they areYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? >>>>>>>>>No,
running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to give
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>>>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they >>>>>>>>>>may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to >>>>>>>>>>burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition" >>>>>>>>>>to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>>>>>>>>>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser >>>>>>>>>that
makes
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this >>>>>>>>>country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
As well as getting out of the lack of confidence.
Your problem with lack of confidence in the current government is >>>>>>>shared by an increasing number of people, Gordon.
folk than yourself is shared by an increasing number of people.
There are a lot ofNot worsening, but still bad because of the incompetence of the last >>>>>>government.
businesses closing due to worsening business conditions
- many areNo that is untrue. In fact it is a lie.
concerned about the effect of very high rate increases that will come >>>>>>>through in the next year, and the expectation that wages and salaries >>>>>>>are unlikely to keep pace with inflation. The cannot see the benefits >>>>>>>now accruing to landlords affecting them at all For most, 2024 is >>>>>>>turning out to be much harder than earlier years . . . .
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/03/construction-downturn-bites-hard-as-kainga-ora-refocuses/
The construction sector is starting to shut down as this government
stops building new homes, and this article highlights the problems in >>>>> the construction sector for private builds.
And yet we have
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350331318/chris-bishop-sets-out-radical-land-use-and-planning-reforms
and some comment here: >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018945459/govt-announces-policies-so-cities-can-be-expanded-outwards
and Brown is currently talking about problems for Auckland from the >>>dictatorial approach being taken.
The reality is that local authorities will charge through the roof for >>>services in new areas where they do not want new developments - until >>>they get through the requirements for 3 waters without government >>>assistance.
As one Mayor said: Show us the money. Most Councils are (or will be)
up to their limit on borrowing shortly, without any new developments.
So how can they afford not to charge full cost for any new
developments?
Co-governance, AKA destruction of democracy by stealth. Plus several more but that one is sufficient.What fuckups?No the government is trying to fix the fuckups by the last government. Simple.
Otherwise all Bishop is doing is yet another flip flop on the similar >>>rule changes under Labour where they allowed higher density in cities
- and from commentary so far it will allow dwellings that are less
safe - being a developer is likely to get extremely risky . . .
Why would we accept something that is blatantly untrue?National is not just making a lot of people redundant, many businesses >>>>> are failing, fear of known cost increases and higher interest rates is >>>>> keeping many New Zealanders from spending or taking loans; many retail >>>>> businesses are failing - this government is frittering its time away >>>>> by telling teachers how to teach, by dropping local authorities in
huge holes with no way out, tightening rules for bank lending, not
being prepared to pay what is needed to keep GPs working (many are
retiring or moving), not able to recruit for hospitals. losing police >>>>> to Australia, etc. etc.
We need to accept that the previous Goverment spent up large, and there is >>>>now none left. Without money spending is difficult while dealing with >>>>reality.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Full cost is what I meant - the full cost of all infrastructure. Most
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 06:50:28 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou said "through the roof" which implies more than "full cost" and was >deliberately emotive.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Jul 2024 04:59:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Guesswork.
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:which is also covered here: >>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/521254/watch-housing-minister-reveals-housing-planning-changes-to-flood-country-with-new-homes
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:09:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Try this as just one story:
On 3 Jul 2024 00:52:05 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:You incessant sarcasm and deliberate mis statement of posts by more >>>>>>>competent
On 2024-07-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they areYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? >>>>>>>>>>No,
running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to give
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>>>>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to >>>>>>>>>>>burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition" >>>>>>>>>>>to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>>>>>>>>>>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser >>>>>>>>>>that
makes
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this >>>>>>>>>>country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
As well as getting out of the lack of confidence.
Your problem with lack of confidence in the current government is >>>>>>>>shared by an increasing number of people, Gordon.
folk than yourself is shared by an increasing number of people.
There are a lot ofNot worsening, but still bad because of the incompetence of the last >>>>>>>government.
businesses closing due to worsening business conditions
- many areNo that is untrue. In fact it is a lie.
concerned about the effect of very high rate increases that will come >>>>>>>>through in the next year, and the expectation that wages and salaries >>>>>>>>are unlikely to keep pace with inflation. The cannot see the benefits >>>>>>>>now accruing to landlords affecting them at all For most, 2024 is >>>>>>>>turning out to be much harder than earlier years . . . .
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/03/construction-downturn-bites-hard-as-kainga-ora-refocuses/
The construction sector is starting to shut down as this government >>>>>> stops building new homes, and this article highlights the problems in >>>>>> the construction sector for private builds.
And yet we have
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350331318/chris-bishop-sets-out-radical-land-use-and-planning-reforms
and some comment here: >>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018945459/govt-announces-policies-so-cities-can-be-expanded-outwards
and Brown is currently talking about problems for Auckland from the >>>>dictatorial approach being taken.
The reality is that local authorities will charge through the roof for >>>>services in new areas where they do not want new developments - until >>>>they get through the requirements for 3 waters without government >>>>assistance.
As one Mayor said: Show us the money. Most Councils are (or will be)
up to their limit on borrowing shortly, without any new developments.
So how can they afford not to charge full cost for any new
developments?
So you have changed your mind. Well done. Full cost it is and should be.
Co-governance have little or nothing to do with resource consentingCo-governance, AKA destruction of democracy by stealth. Plus several more but >that one is sufficient.
What fuckups?No the government is trying to fix the fuckups by the last government. Simple.
Otherwise all Bishop is doing is yet another flip flop on the similar >>>>rule changes under Labour where they allowed higher density in cities
- and from commentary so far it will allow dwellings that are less
safe - being a developer is likely to get extremely risky . . .
Why would we accept something that is blatantly untrue?National is not just making a lot of people redundant, many businesses >>>>>> are failing, fear of known cost increases and higher interest rates is >>>>>> keeping many New Zealanders from spending or taking loans; many retail >>>>>> businesses are failing - this government is frittering its time away >>>>>> by telling teachers how to teach, by dropping local authorities in >>>>>> huge holes with no way out, tightening rules for bank lending, not >>>>>> being prepared to pay what is needed to keep GPs working (many are >>>>>> retiring or moving), not able to recruit for hospitals. losing police >>>>>> to Australia, etc. etc.
We need to accept that the previous Goverment spent up large, and there is >>>>>now none left. Without money spending is difficult while dealing with >>>>>reality.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:There you are going off track again. Clearly a higher speed limit
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 06:53:50 -0000 (UTC), TonyI don;t believe in freedom to speed you half wit. I did not say that. You are a
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Jul 2024 05:08:15 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:That is not the issue, the degree of speed is the issue as is the balance >>>between freedom and consequences - obviously.
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:10:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:So that is the bike folks avocating through a Stuff article. Certainly >>>>>double bias.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 21:04:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No they are not going to die because of any of those decisions. You are >>>>>>>an
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they areYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? >>>>>>>>>No,
running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to give
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>>>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they >>>>>>>>>>may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to >>>>>>>>>>burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition" >>>>>>>>>>to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>>>>>>>>>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser >>>>>>>>>that
makes
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this >>>>>>>>>country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
Perhaps my attempt to soften the criticism confused you Tony. People >>>>>>>>are going to die as a result of these decisions, Tony - do you not >>>>>>>>care about that?
appalling creature - it is you that cares not at all.
Not what is says here:
https://www.bikeauckland.org.nz/listen-to-aucklands-children-and-keep-safe-speed-limits/
or in the article above about higher rates of hospital admissions for >>>>>> those that cannot afford to collect prescriptions.
Have you any evidence that higher speeds do not lead to more severe >>>>injuries in the event of an accident?
And parents are concerned that higher speeds near schools may well
mean that an accident kills or severely injures more often than at
lower speeds. So your freedom to speed conflicts with a childs
freedom to live . . .
sociopathic misfit and belong in a gulag.
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 20:04:04 -0000 (UTC), TonyWell done, you finally stopped deliberately changing my meaning - you have now put into words eaxtly what I wrote. Excellent.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:There you are going off track again. Clearly a higher speed limit
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 06:53:50 -0000 (UTC), TonyI don;t believe in freedom to speed you half wit. I did not say that. You are >>a
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Jul 2024 05:08:15 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:That is not the issue, the degree of speed is the issue as is the balance >>>>between freedom and consequences - obviously.
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:10:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:So that is the bike folks avocating through a Stuff article. Certainly >>>>>>double bias.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 21:04:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No they are not going to die because of any of those decisions. You are >>>>>>>>an
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they >>>>>>>>>>>areYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? >>>>>>>>>>No,
running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to >>>>>>>>>>>give
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>>>>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to >>>>>>>>>>>burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition" >>>>>>>>>>>to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>>>>>>>>>>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser >>>>>>>>>>that
makes
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this >>>>>>>>>>country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
Perhaps my attempt to soften the criticism confused you Tony. People >>>>>>>>>are going to die as a result of these decisions, Tony - do you not >>>>>>>>>care about that?
appalling creature - it is you that cares not at all.
Not what is says here:
https://www.bikeauckland.org.nz/listen-to-aucklands-children-and-keep-safe-speed-limits/
or in the article above about higher rates of hospital admissions for >>>>>>> those that cannot afford to collect prescriptions.
Have you any evidence that higher speeds do not lead to more severe >>>>>injuries in the event of an accident?
And parents are concerned that higher speeds near schools may well
mean that an accident kills or severely injures more often than at
lower speeds. So your freedom to speed conflicts with a childs
freedom to live . . .
sociopathic misfit and belong in a gulag.
enables you freedom to increase your speed within that new limit Tony
- and if an accident happens with a car driving at a higher speed,
injuries are likely to be worse than an accident involving lower
speeds.
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 20:02:48 -0000 (UTC), TonyIt certainly is not what you wrote and what you wrote was deliberately npolitical and emotive, but why would that surprise anybody?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 06:50:28 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou said "through the roof" which implies more than "full cost" and was >>deliberately emotive.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Jul 2024 04:59:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Guesswork.
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:which is also covered here: >>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/521254/watch-housing-minister-reveals-housing-planning-changes-to-flood-country-with-new-homes
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:09:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Try this as just one story:
On 3 Jul 2024 00:52:05 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>You incessant sarcasm and deliberate mis statement of posts by more >>>>>>>>competent
On 2024-07-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they >>>>>>>>>>>>areYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is >>>>>>>>>>>due?
running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to >>>>>>>>>>>>give
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>>>>>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>>>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course >>>>>>>>>>>>they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to >>>>>>>>>>>>burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>>>>>>>>>>>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
No,
because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser >>>>>>>>>>>that
makes
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this >>>>>>>>>>>country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
As well as getting out of the lack of confidence.
Your problem with lack of confidence in the current government is >>>>>>>>>shared by an increasing number of people, Gordon.
folk than yourself is shared by an increasing number of people. >>>>>>>>> There are a lot of
businesses closing due to worsening business conditionsNot worsening, but still bad because of the incompetence of the last >>>>>>>>government.
- many areNo that is untrue. In fact it is a lie.
concerned about the effect of very high rate increases that will come >>>>>>>>>through in the next year, and the expectation that wages and salaries >>>>>>>>>are unlikely to keep pace with inflation. The cannot see the benefits >>>>>>>>>now accruing to landlords affecting them at all For most, 2024 is >>>>>>>>>turning out to be much harder than earlier years . . . .
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/03/construction-downturn-bites-hard-as-kainga-ora-refocuses/
The construction sector is starting to shut down as this government >>>>>>> stops building new homes, and this article highlights the problems in >>>>>>> the construction sector for private builds.
And yet we have
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350331318/chris-bishop-sets-out-radical-land-use-and-planning-reforms
and some comment here: >>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018945459/govt-announces-policies-so-cities-can-be-expanded-outwards
and Brown is currently talking about problems for Auckland from the >>>>>dictatorial approach being taken.
The reality is that local authorities will charge through the roof for >>>>>services in new areas where they do not want new developments - until >>>>>they get through the requirements for 3 waters without government >>>>>assistance.
As one Mayor said: Show us the money. Most Councils are (or will be)
up to their limit on borrowing shortly, without any new developments.
So how can they afford not to charge full cost for any new
developments?
So you have changed your mind. Well done. Full cost it is and should be. >Full cost is what I meant
- the full cost of all infrastructure. MostNonsense. If it needs to be done, and is not just a hope, then we need to fund it - that means ratepayers. SImple, the council needs to find the money - it is not up to government. Otherwise we might as well scrap local councils - is that your plan?
Councils will be at or close to their maximum borrowing limit - in
case that went over your head, that means they will not be able to
borrow more to meet any share of costs for new developments. They will >therefore be unable to assist new developments with any of the costs
of necessary infrastructure - and Councils are also likely to be using
all their relevant staff and equipment on current water projects. if >developers have to pay for all that there will be significant
increases in costs compared with re-developing land already zoned >residential. Would you call a doubling of costs (for example) "through
the roof", Tony? As one Mayor said "Show us the money" . . .
There are no problems, you have identified none.Co-governance have little or nothing to do with resource consentingCo-governance, AKA destruction of democracy by stealth. Plus several more but >>that one is sufficient.
What fuckups?No the government is trying to fix the fuckups by the last government. >>>>Simple.
Otherwise all Bishop is doing is yet another flip flop on the similar >>>>>rule changes under Labour where they allowed higher density in cities >>>>>- and from commentary so far it will allow dwellings that are less >>>>>safe - being a developer is likely to get extremely risky . . .
process for new housing - at least in most Councils. Why did you think >Co-governance is at all relevant? I don't recall the Minister
referring to that issue? Are you trying to distract from the real
problems with the recent announcements?
Why would we accept something that is blatantly untrue?National is not just making a lot of people redundant, many businesses >>>>>>> are failing, fear of known cost increases and higher interest rates is >>>>>>> keeping many New Zealanders from spending or taking loans; many retail >>>>>>> businesses are failing - this government is frittering its time away >>>>>>> by telling teachers how to teach, by dropping local authorities in >>>>>>> huge holes with no way out, tightening rules for bank lending, not >>>>>>> being prepared to pay what is needed to keep GPs working (many are >>>>>>> retiring or moving), not able to recruit for hospitals. losing police >>>>>>> to Australia, etc. etc.
We need to accept that the previous Goverment spent up large, and there is
now none left. Without money spending is difficult while dealing with >>>>>>reality.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:When children get knocked down by a vehicle they can die.
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 20:04:04 -0000 (UTC), TonyWell done, you finally stopped deliberately changing my meaning - you have now >put into words eaxtly what I wrote. Excellent.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:There you are going off track again. Clearly a higher speed limit
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 06:53:50 -0000 (UTC), TonyI don;t believe in freedom to speed you half wit. I did not say that. You are
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Jul 2024 05:08:15 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:That is not the issue, the degree of speed is the issue as is the balance >>>>>between freedom and consequences - obviously.
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:10:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:So that is the bike folks avocating through a Stuff article. Certainly >>>>>>>double bias.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 21:04:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No they are not going to die because of any of those decisions. You are
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they >>>>>>>>>>>>areYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is due? >>>>>>>>>>>No,
running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to >>>>>>>>>>>>give
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>>>>>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>>>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to >>>>>>>>>>>>burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political) >>>>>>>>>>>>donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser >>>>>>>>>>>that
makes
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this >>>>>>>>>>>country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
Perhaps my attempt to soften the criticism confused you Tony. People >>>>>>>>>>are going to die as a result of these decisions, Tony - do you not >>>>>>>>>>care about that?
an
appalling creature - it is you that cares not at all.
Not what is says here:
https://www.bikeauckland.org.nz/listen-to-aucklands-children-and-keep-safe-speed-limits/
or in the article above about higher rates of hospital admissions for >>>>>>>> those that cannot afford to collect prescriptions.
Have you any evidence that higher speeds do not lead to more severe >>>>>>injuries in the event of an accident?
And parents are concerned that higher speeds near schools may well
mean that an accident kills or severely injures more often than at >>>>lower speeds. So your freedom to speed conflicts with a childs
freedom to live . . .
a
sociopathic misfit and belong in a gulag.
enables you freedom to increase your speed within that new limit Tony
- and if an accident happens with a car driving at a higher speed,
injuries are likely to be worse than an accident involving lower
speeds.
The balance is, as in all things, the issue - not silly and offensive absolutes
like "freedom to speed conflicts with a childs freedom to live" That was an >appalling piece of abuse by you and you know it - that is what happens when you
lose.
We balance lives with freedoms every day. and that is all I meant.And the government is over-ruling local councils with their "we have
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You were responding to my post which said: "So how can they afford not
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 20:02:48 -0000 (UTC), TonyIt certainly is not what you wrote and what you wrote was deliberately >npolitical and emotive, but why would that surprise anybody?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 06:50:28 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou said "through the roof" which implies more than "full cost" and was >>>deliberately emotive.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Jul 2024 04:59:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Guesswork.
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:which is also covered here: >>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/521254/watch-housing-minister-reveals-housing-planning-changes-to-flood-country-with-new-homes
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:09:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Try this as just one story:
On 3 Jul 2024 00:52:05 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>You incessant sarcasm and deliberate mis statement of posts by more >>>>>>>>>competent
On 2024-07-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they >>>>>>>>>>>>>areYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is >>>>>>>>>>>>due?
running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to >>>>>>>>>>>>>give
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>>>>>>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>>>>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course >>>>>>>>>>>>>they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to >>>>>>>>>>>>>burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political)
donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
No,
because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser
that
makes
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this
country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
As well as getting out of the lack of confidence.
Your problem with lack of confidence in the current government is >>>>>>>>>>shared by an increasing number of people, Gordon.
folk than yourself is shared by an increasing number of people. >>>>>>>>>> There are a lot of
businesses closing due to worsening business conditionsNot worsening, but still bad because of the incompetence of the last >>>>>>>>>government.
- many areNo that is untrue. In fact it is a lie.
concerned about the effect of very high rate increases that will come >>>>>>>>>>through in the next year, and the expectation that wages and salaries >>>>>>>>>>are unlikely to keep pace with inflation. The cannot see the benefits >>>>>>>>>>now accruing to landlords affecting them at all For most, 2024 is >>>>>>>>>>turning out to be much harder than earlier years . . . .
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/03/construction-downturn-bites-hard-as-kainga-ora-refocuses/
The construction sector is starting to shut down as this government >>>>>>>> stops building new homes, and this article highlights the problems in >>>>>>>> the construction sector for private builds.
And yet we have
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350331318/chris-bishop-sets-out-radical-land-use-and-planning-reforms
and some comment here: >>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018945459/govt-announces-policies-so-cities-can-be-expanded-outwards
and Brown is currently talking about problems for Auckland from the >>>>>>dictatorial approach being taken.
The reality is that local authorities will charge through the roof for >>>>>>services in new areas where they do not want new developments - until >>>>>>they get through the requirements for 3 waters without government >>>>>>assistance.
As one Mayor said: Show us the money. Most Councils are (or will be) >>>>up to their limit on borrowing shortly, without any new developments. >>>>So how can they afford not to charge full cost for any new >>>>developments?
So you have changed your mind. Well done. Full cost it is and should be. >>Full cost is what I meant
- the full cost of all infrastructure. MostNonsense. If it needs to be done, and is not just a hope, then we need to fund >it - that means ratepayers. SImple, the council needs to find the money - it is
Councils will be at or close to their maximum borrowing limit - in
case that went over your head, that means they will not be able to
borrow more to meet any share of costs for new developments. They will >>therefore be unable to assist new developments with any of the costs
of necessary infrastructure - and Councils are also likely to be using
all their relevant staff and equipment on current water projects. if >>developers have to pay for all that there will be significant
increases in costs compared with re-developing land already zoned >>residential. Would you call a doubling of costs (for example) "through
the roof", Tony? As one Mayor said "Show us the money" . . .
not up to government. Otherwise we might as well scrap local councils - is that
your plan?
Co-governance, AKA destruction of democracy by stealth. Plus several more but
What fuckups?Otherwise all Bishop is doing is yet another flip flop on the similar >>>>>>rule changes under Labour where they allowed higher density in cities >>>>>>- and from commentary so far it will allow dwellings that are less >>>>>>safe - being a developer is likely to get extremely risky . . .No the government is trying to fix the fuckups by the last government. >>>>>Simple.
that one is sufficient.
Co-governance have little or nothing to do with resource consentingThere are no problems, you have identified none.
process for new housing - at least in most Councils. Why did you think >>Co-governance is at all relevant? I don't recall the Minister
referring to that issue? Are you trying to distract from the real
problems with the recent announcements?
And you are deliberately twisting my motive which is clear from what I wrote >-read it and try to understand - I used short words just for you.And there we see you real response Tony - when you don't like the
Why would we accept something that is blatantly untrue?National is not just making a lot of people redundant, many businesses >>>>>>>> are failing, fear of known cost increases and higher interest rates is >>>>>>>> keeping many New Zealanders from spending or taking loans; many retail >>>>>>>> businesses are failing - this government is frittering its time away >>>>>>>> by telling teachers how to teach, by dropping local authorities in >>>>>>>> huge holes with no way out, tightening rules for bank lending, not >>>>>>>> being prepared to pay what is needed to keep GPs working (many are >>>>>>>> retiring or moving), not able to recruit for hospitals. losing police >>>>>>>> to Australia, etc. etc.
We need to accept that the previous Goverment spent up large, and there is
now none left. Without money spending is difficult while dealing with >>>>>>>reality.
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 02:36:18 -0000 (UTC), TonyYes and when people go for a swim in the sea they can die. You are still ignoring the truth - you are so dishonest. If we want to stop all children dying from accidents then we need to stop all vehicles, close all roads, prevent swiming in the sea, not allow kids to climb ablve 1m from the ground. You really are digging yourself into a hole. It is balance, it is always balance, do you get it now?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:When children get knocked down by a vehicle they can die.
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 20:04:04 -0000 (UTC), TonyWell done, you finally stopped deliberately changing my meaning - you have >>now
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:There you are going off track again. Clearly a higher speed limit
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 06:53:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I don;t believe in freedom to speed you half wit. I did not say that. You >>>>are
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Jul 2024 05:08:15 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:That is not the issue, the degree of speed is the issue as is the balance >>>>>>between freedom and consequences - obviously.
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:10:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:So that is the bike folks avocating through a Stuff article. Certainly >>>>>>>>double bias.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 21:04:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No they are not going to die because of any of those decisions. You >>>>>>>>>>are
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that they >>>>>>>>>>>>>areYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is >>>>>>>>>>>>due?
running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to >>>>>>>>>>>>>give
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>>>>>>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>>>>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course >>>>>>>>>>>>>they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to >>>>>>>>>>>>>burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair >>>>>>>>>>>>>competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political)
donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
No,
because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser >>>>>>>>>>>>that
makes
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this >>>>>>>>>>>>country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
Perhaps my attempt to soften the criticism confused you Tony. People >>>>>>>>>>>are going to die as a result of these decisions, Tony - do you not >>>>>>>>>>>care about that?
an
appalling creature - it is you that cares not at all.
Not what is says here:
https://www.bikeauckland.org.nz/listen-to-aucklands-children-and-keep-safe-speed-limits/
or in the article above about higher rates of hospital admissions for >>>>>>>>> those that cannot afford to collect prescriptions.
Have you any evidence that higher speeds do not lead to more severe >>>>>>>injuries in the event of an accident?
And parents are concerned that higher speeds near schools may well >>>>>mean that an accident kills or severely injures more often than at >>>>>lower speeds. So your freedom to speed conflicts with a childs >>>>>freedom to live . . .
a
sociopathic misfit and belong in a gulag.
enables you freedom to increase your speed within that new limit Tony
- and if an accident happens with a car driving at a higher speed, >>>injuries are likely to be worse than an accident involving lower
speeds.
put into words eaxtly what I wrote. Excellent.
The balance is, as in all things, the issue - not silly and offensive >>absolutes
like "freedom to speed conflicts with a childs freedom to live" That was an >>appalling piece of abuse by you and you know it - that is what happens when >>you
lose.
Above line- grammar corrected.We balance lives with freedoms every day. and that is all I meant.And the government is over-ruling local councils with their "we have
decided and we will tell local people what they must decide"
arrogance. Your sort of people, right, Tony?
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 02:32:49 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou have changed the topic again, just stop it and try some honesty.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You were responding to my post which said: "So how can they afford not
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 20:02:48 -0000 (UTC), TonyIt certainly is not what you wrote and what you wrote was deliberately >>npolitical and emotive, but why would that surprise anybody?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 06:50:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You said "through the roof" which implies more than "full cost" and was >>>>deliberately emotive.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Jul 2024 04:59:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Guesswork.
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:which is also covered here: >>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/521254/watch-housing-minister-reveals-housing-planning-changes-to-flood-country-with-new-homes
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:09:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Try this as just one story:
On 3 Jul 2024 00:52:05 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>You incessant sarcasm and deliberate mis statement of posts by more >>>>>>>>>>competent
On 2024-07-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>theyYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>due?
are
running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>give
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course >>>>>>>>>>>>>>they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to
burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair >>>>>>>>>>>>>>competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>political)
donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
No,
because all you want is to bring the government down - what a >>>>>>>>>>>>>loser
that
makes
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>this
country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
As well as getting out of the lack of confidence.
Your problem with lack of confidence in the current government is >>>>>>>>>>>shared by an increasing number of people, Gordon.
folk than yourself is shared by an increasing number of people. >>>>>>>>>>> There are a lot of
businesses closing due to worsening business conditions >>>>>>>>>>Not worsening, but still bad because of the incompetence of the last >>>>>>>>>>government.
- many are
concerned about the effect of very high rate increases that will come
through in the next year, and the expectation that wages and salaries
are unlikely to keep pace with inflation. The cannot see the benefits
now accruing to landlords affecting them at all For most, 2024 is >>>>>>>>>>>turning out to be much harder than earlier years . . . . >>>>>>>>>>No that is untrue. In fact it is a lie.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/03/construction-downturn-bites-hard-as-kainga-ora-refocuses/
The construction sector is starting to shut down as this government >>>>>>>>> stops building new homes, and this article highlights the problems in >>>>>>>>> the construction sector for private builds.
And yet we have
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350331318/chris-bishop-sets-out-radical-land-use-and-planning-reforms
and some comment here: >>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018945459/govt-announces-policies-so-cities-can-be-expanded-outwards
and Brown is currently talking about problems for Auckland from the >>>>>>>dictatorial approach being taken.
The reality is that local authorities will charge through the roof for >>>>>>>services in new areas where they do not want new developments - until >>>>>>>they get through the requirements for 3 waters without government >>>>>>>assistance.
As one Mayor said: Show us the money. Most Councils are (or will be) >>>>>up to their limit on borrowing shortly, without any new developments. >>>>>So how can they afford not to charge full cost for any new >>>>>developments?
So you have changed your mind. Well done. Full cost it is and should be. >>>Full cost is what I meant
to charge full cost for any new developments? "
So yes I did refer to "full cost," which is hugely more than
developers have paid in the past for infrastructure.
- the full cost of all infrastructure. MostNonsense. If it needs to be done, and is not just a hope, then we need to >>fund
Councils will be at or close to their maximum borrowing limit - in
case that went over your head, that means they will not be able to
borrow more to meet any share of costs for new developments. They will >>>therefore be unable to assist new developments with any of the costs
of necessary infrastructure - and Councils are also likely to be using >>>all their relevant staff and equipment on current water projects. if >>>developers have to pay for all that there will be significant
increases in costs compared with re-developing land already zoned >>>residential. Would you call a doubling of costs (for example) "through >>>the roof", Tony? As one Mayor said "Show us the money" . . .
it - that means ratepayers. SImple, the council needs to find the money - it >>is
not up to government. Otherwise we might as well scrap local councils - is >>that
your plan?
After years of right wing "NAct" local councilors winning elections by >promising to "keep rates low", we now know that what they were really
doing was cutting corners - and large corners at that - in long term >maintenance and development of services. But now our New Zealand
government has decided it wants to "keep taxes low" - well mostly for >landlords, (but then nobody else really counts to this Government) and
they cannot afford to help local authorities out - with either
existing infrastructure or new infrastructure - and if some local
authorities reached limits on borrowing well they will just have to
stop borrowing . . . .
Now if you have "The Answer" for building all this new development atYou are a fool, you think you can move the goalposts - you cannot, The fact is the cost is the cost and we all have to pay for it. All else is rhetoric.
higher interest rates than government can borrow at then do let us
know Tony, but it does seem that Government are saying that local
bodies just have to get on with it and make 30 years development land
able to be rezoned to give Developers a choice of where to expand . .
. so if you were a local body Councilor what would you do, Tony?
3 waters you fool.
Co-governance, AKA destruction of democracy by stealth. Plus several more >>>>but
What fuckups?Otherwise all Bishop is doing is yet another flip flop on the similar >>>>>>>rule changes under Labour where they allowed higher density in cities >>>>>>>- and from commentary so far it will allow dwellings that are less >>>>>>>safe - being a developer is likely to get extremely risky . . .No the government is trying to fix the fuckups by the last government. >>>>>>Simple.
that one is sufficient.
What Co-governance happened during the years of Labour-led government,
Tony?
You are possibly thinking of some of the settlements underYou rude prick - stop your abuse and keep to topic. You know what I was referring to and yet you lie again and again.
National and Chris Finlayson. What destruction of democracy? Did you
vote in the election that resulted in the NAct1st government that we
now have? So no you didn't even get to the start line for identifying
any fuckups - or are you claiming that it is all John Keys fault?
You have identified nothing of the sort - the costs have not changed, they are exactly what they were before. The only change is how they are managed, much more democratically now.Co-governance have little or nothing to do with resource consenting >>>process for new housing - at least in most Councils. Why did you think >>>Co-governance is at all relevant? I don't recall the MinisterThere are no problems, you have identified none.
referring to that issue? Are you trying to distract from the real >>>problems with the recent announcements?
I have identified a problem with local authorities having to increase
rates for 3 Waters, and now you seem to want further increases in
rates to subsidise developers - I did not invent those problems, they
are all NAct1st!
You appalling piece of abusive garbage, it is you that is losing your ability to control your shit, not me.And you are deliberately twisting my motive which is clear from what I wrote >>-read it and try to understand - I used short words just for you.And there we see you real response Tony - when you don't like the
Why would we accept something that is blatantly untrue?National is not just making a lot of people redundant, many businesses
are failing, fear of known cost increases and higher interest rates is
keeping many New Zealanders from spending or taking loans; many retail
businesses are failing - this government is frittering its time away >>>>>>>>> by telling teachers how to teach, by dropping local authorities in >>>>>>>>> huge holes with no way out, tightening rules for bank lending, not >>>>>>>>> being prepared to pay what is needed to keep GPs working (many are >>>>>>>>> retiring or moving), not able to recruit for hospitals. losing police >>>>>>>>> to Australia, etc. etc.
We need to accept that the previous Goverment spent up large, and there >>>>>>>>is
now none left. Without money spending is difficult while dealing with >>>>>>>>reality.
answer you just spray and walk away. Just watch where you sit, Tony -
the wet patch may stain . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 02:32:49 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou appalling piece of abusive garbage, it is you that is losing your ability >to control your shit, not me.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
And there we see you real response Tony - when you don't like theWhy would we accept something that is blatantly untrue?
answer you just spray and walk away. Just watch where you sit, Tony -
the wet patch may stain . . .
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 07:05:27 -0000 (UTC), TonyAbove grammar now corrected.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 02:36:18 -0000 (UTC), TonyYes and when people go for a swim in the sea they can die. You are still >>ignoring the truth - you are so dishonest. If we want to stop all children >>dying from accidents then we need to stop all vehicles, close all roads, >>prevent swiming in the sea, not allow kids to climb ablve 1m from the ground. >>You really are digging yourself into a hole. It is balance, it is always >>balance, do you get it now?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:When children get knocked down by a vehicle they can die.
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 20:04:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Well done, you finally stopped deliberately changing my meaning - you have >>>>now
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:There you are going off track again. Clearly a higher speed limit >>>>>enables you freedom to increase your speed within that new limit Tony >>>>>- and if an accident happens with a car driving at a higher speed, >>>>>injuries are likely to be worse than an accident involving lower >>>>>speeds.
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 06:53:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I don;t believe in freedom to speed you half wit. I did not say that. You >>>>>>are
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Jul 2024 05:08:15 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>That is not the issue, the degree of speed is the issue as is the >>>>>>>>balance
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:10:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:So that is the bike folks avocating through a Stuff article. Certainly
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 21:04:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No they are not going to die because of any of those decisions. You >>>>>>>>>>>>are
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>theyYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>due?
are
running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
give
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>political)
donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
No,
because all you want is to bring the government down - what a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>loser
that
makes
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>this
country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
Perhaps my attempt to soften the criticism confused you Tony. >>>>>>>>>>>>>People
are going to die as a result of these decisions, Tony - do you not >>>>>>>>>>>>>care about that?
an
appalling creature - it is you that cares not at all.
Not what is says here:
https://www.bikeauckland.org.nz/listen-to-aucklands-children-and-keep-safe-speed-limits/
or in the article above about higher rates of hospital admissions >>>>>>>>>>>for
those that cannot afford to collect prescriptions.
double bias.
Have you any evidence that higher speeds do not lead to more severe >>>>>>>>>injuries in the event of an accident?
between freedom and consequences - obviously.
And parents are concerned that higher speeds near schools may well >>>>>>>mean that an accident kills or severely injures more often than at >>>>>>>lower speeds. So your freedom to speed conflicts with a childs >>>>>>>freedom to live . . .
a
sociopathic misfit and belong in a gulag.
put into words eaxtly what I wrote. Excellent.
The balance is, as in all things, the issue - not silly and offensive >>>>absolutes
like "freedom to speed conflicts with a childs freedom to live" That was an >>>>appalling piece of abuse by you and you know it - that is what happens when >>>>you
lose.
Above line- grammar corrected.We balance lives with freedoms every day. and that is all I meant.And the government is over-ruling local councils with their "we have >>>decided and we will tell local people what they must decide"
arrogance. Your sort of people, right, Tony?
No yours, you supported the last government which did exactly the same - >>don't
you remember 3 waters? Of course you don't - how convenient.
Tony, I object to your deliberate deception in part of my post. For
the record, I said:
"And the government is over-ruling local councils with their "we have >decided and we will tell local people what they must decide"
arrogance. Your sort of people, right, Tony?"
And the people that would agree with me would include the Mayor ofThe last government did exactly the same thing - see above. All governments dictate, it is their job on occasion.
Auckland and other local politicians of various political viewpoints
that have worked hard to get agreement from local citizens on what
happens in their local area.
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 06:56:44 -0000 (UTC), TonyOnly becsuae we stopped it - it was planned and that is sufficient.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 02:32:49 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou have changed the topic again, just stop it and try some honesty.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You were responding to my post which said: "So how can they afford not
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 20:02:48 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:It certainly is not what you wrote and what you wrote was deliberately >>>>npolitical and emotive, but why would that surprise anybody?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 06:50:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You said "through the roof" which implies more than "full cost" and was >>>>>>deliberately emotive.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Jul 2024 04:59:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>Guesswork.
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:which is also covered here: >>>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/521254/watch-housing-minister-reveals-housing-planning-changes-to-flood-country-with-new-homes
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:09:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Try this as just one story:
On 3 Jul 2024 00:52:05 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>You incessant sarcasm and deliberate mis statement of posts by more >>>>>>>>>>>>competent
On 2024-07-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>theyYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>due?
are
running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
give
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>course
they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>political)
donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
No,
because all you want is to bring the government down - what a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>loser
that
makes
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>this
country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
As well as getting out of the lack of confidence.
Your problem with lack of confidence in the current government is >>>>>>>>>>>>>shared by an increasing number of people, Gordon.
folk than yourself is shared by an increasing number of people. >>>>>>>>>>>>> There are a lot of
businesses closing due to worsening business conditions >>>>>>>>>>>>Not worsening, but still bad because of the incompetence of the >>>>>>>>>>>>lastgovernment.
- many are
concerned about the effect of very high rate increases that will >>>>>>>>>>>>>come
through in the next year, and the expectation that wages and >>>>>>>>>>>>>salaries
are unlikely to keep pace with inflation. The cannot see the >>>>>>>>>>>>>benefits
now accruing to landlords affecting them at all For most, 2024 is >>>>>>>>>>>>>turning out to be much harder than earlier years . . . . >>>>>>>>>>>>No that is untrue. In fact it is a lie.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/03/construction-downturn-bites-hard-as-kainga-ora-refocuses/
The construction sector is starting to shut down as this government >>>>>>>>>>> stops building new homes, and this article highlights the problems >>>>>>>>>>>in
the construction sector for private builds.
And yet we have
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350331318/chris-bishop-sets-out-radical-land-use-and-planning-reforms
and some comment here: >>>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018945459/govt-announces-policies-so-cities-can-be-expanded-outwards
and Brown is currently talking about problems for Auckland from the >>>>>>>>>dictatorial approach being taken.
The reality is that local authorities will charge through the roof for >>>>>>>>>services in new areas where they do not want new developments - until >>>>>>>>>they get through the requirements for 3 waters without government >>>>>>>>>assistance.
As one Mayor said: Show us the money. Most Councils are (or will be) >>>>>>>up to their limit on borrowing shortly, without any new developments. >>>>>>>So how can they afford not to charge full cost for any new >>>>>>>developments?
So you have changed your mind. Well done. Full cost it is and should be. >>>>>Full cost is what I meant
to charge full cost for any new developments? "
So yes I did refer to "full cost," which is hugely more than
developers have paid in the past for infrastructure.
- the full cost of all infrastructure. Mostit - that means ratepayers. SImple, the council needs to find the money - >>>>it
Councils will be at or close to their maximum borrowing limit - in >>>>>case that went over your head, that means they will not be able to >>>>>borrow more to meet any share of costs for new developments. They will >>>>>therefore be unable to assist new developments with any of the costs >>>>>of necessary infrastructure - and Councils are also likely to be using >>>>>all their relevant staff and equipment on current water projects. if >>>>>developers have to pay for all that there will be significant >>>>>increases in costs compared with re-developing land already zoned >>>>>residential. Would you call a doubling of costs (for example) "through >>>>>the roof", Tony? As one Mayor said "Show us the money" . . . >>>>Nonsense. If it needs to be done, and is not just a hope, then we need to >>>>fund
is
not up to government. Otherwise we might as well scrap local councils - is >>>>that
your plan?
After years of right wing "NAct" local councilors winning elections by >>>promising to "keep rates low", we now know that what they were really >>>doing was cutting corners - and large corners at that - in long term >>>maintenance and development of services. But now our New Zealand >>>government has decided it wants to "keep taxes low" - well mostly for >>>landlords, (but then nobody else really counts to this Government) and >>>they cannot afford to help local authorities out - with either
existing infrastructure or new infrastructure - and if some local >>>authorities reached limits on borrowing well they will just have to
stop borrowing . . . .
You are a fool, you think you can move the goalposts - you cannot, The fact >>is
Now if you have "The Answer" for building all this new development at >>>higher interest rates than government can borrow at then do let us
know Tony, but it does seem that Government are saying that local
bodies just have to get on with it and make 30 years development land >>>able to be rezoned to give Developers a choice of where to expand . .
. so if you were a local body Councilor what would you do, Tony?
the cost is the cost and we all have to pay for it. All else is rhetoric.
3 waters you fool.
Co-governance, AKA destruction of democracy by stealth. Plus several more >>>>>>but
What fuckups?Otherwise all Bishop is doing is yet another flip flop on the similar >>>>>>>>>rule changes under Labour where they allowed higher density in cities >>>>>>>>>- and from commentary so far it will allow dwellings that are less >>>>>>>>>safe - being a developer is likely to get extremely risky . . . >>>>>>>>No the government is trying to fix the fuckups by the last government. >>>>>>>>Simple.
that one is sufficient.
What Co-governance happened during the years of Labour-led government, >>>Tony?
It did not happen . . .
There was no co-governance, it was co-management and you know that.You are possibly thinking of some of the settlements underYou rude prick - stop your abuse and keep to topic. You know what I was >>referring to and yet you lie again and again.
National and Chris Finlayson. What destruction of democracy? Did you >>>vote in the election that resulted in the NAct1st government that we
now have? So no you didn't even get to the start line for identifying
any fuckups - or are you claiming that it is all John Keys fault?
I was referring to the justifiable pride the Key Government, and
Finlayson in particular, took from treaty settlements based on
co-governance (to use the term that he used)
Many local authorities have reached or are close to reaching theirYou have identified nothing of the sort - the costs have not changed, they >>are
Co-governance have little or nothing to do with resource consenting >>>>>process for new housing - at least in most Councils. Why did you think >>>>>Co-governance is at all relevant? I don't recall the Minister >>>>>referring to that issue? Are you trying to distract from the real >>>>>problems with the recent announcements?There are no problems, you have identified none.
I have identified a problem with local authorities having to increase >>>rates for 3 Waters, and now you seem to want further increases in
rates to subsidise developers - I did not invent those problems, they
are all NAct1st!
exactly what they were before. The only change is how they are managed, much >>more democratically now.
debt limits - set by government, but also set to avoid default should >ratepayers not be able to meet those costs. The Government have given
no indication that they will allow increased borrowing even if
Councils wanted to have an increased limit.
You are abusive, you have always been it is in your DNA.Try reading that comment again, and reflect on it, Tony. Perhaps ifYou appalling piece of abusive garbage, it is you that is losing your ability >>to control your shit, not me.And you are deliberately twisting my motive which is clear from what I >>>>wroteAnd there we see you real response Tony - when you don't like the
-read it and try to understand - I used short words just for you.
Why would we accept something that is blatantly untrue?National is not just making a lot of people redundant, many >>>>>>>>>>>businesses
are failing, fear of known cost increases and higher interest rates >>>>>>>>>>>is
keeping many New Zealanders from spending or taking loans; many >>>>>>>>>>>retail
businesses are failing - this government is frittering its time away
by telling teachers how to teach, by dropping local authorities in >>>>>>>>>>> huge holes with no way out, tightening rules for bank lending, not >>>>>>>>>>> being prepared to pay what is needed to keep GPs working (many are >>>>>>>>>>> retiring or moving), not able to recruit for hospitals. losing >>>>>>>>>>>police
to Australia, etc. etc.
We need to accept that the previous Goverment spent up large, and >>>>>>>>>>there
is
now none left. Without money spending is difficult while dealing with >>>>>>>>>>reality.
answer you just spray and walk away. Just watch where you sit, Tony -
the wet patch may stain . . .
you have half a mind to be abusive, that is all you need . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 02:36:18 -0000 (UTC), TonyYes and when people go for a swim in the sea they can die. You are still >ignoring the truth - you are so dishonest. If we want to stop all children >dying from accidents then we need to stop all vehicles, close all roads, >prevent swiming in the sea, not allow kids to climb ablve 1m from the ground. >You really are digging yourself into a hole. It is balance, it is always >balance, do you get it now?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:When children get knocked down by a vehicle they can die.
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 20:04:04 -0000 (UTC), TonyWell done, you finally stopped deliberately changing my meaning - you have >>>now
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:There you are going off track again. Clearly a higher speed limit >>>>enables you freedom to increase your speed within that new limit Tony
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 06:53:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I don;t believe in freedom to speed you half wit. I did not say that. You >>>>>are
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Jul 2024 05:08:15 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:That is not the issue, the degree of speed is the issue as is the balance
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:10:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:So that is the bike folks avocating through a Stuff article. Certainly >>>>>>>>>double bias.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 21:04:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No they are not going to die because of any of those decisions. You >>>>>>>>>>>are
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that theyYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>due?
are
running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>give
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course >>>>>>>>>>>>>>they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to
burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair >>>>>>>>>>>>>>competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not political)
donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
No,
because all you want is to bring the government down - what a loser
that
makes
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get this
country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
Perhaps my attempt to soften the criticism confused you Tony. People
are going to die as a result of these decisions, Tony - do you not >>>>>>>>>>>>care about that?
an
appalling creature - it is you that cares not at all.
Not what is says here:
https://www.bikeauckland.org.nz/listen-to-aucklands-children-and-keep-safe-speed-limits/
or in the article above about higher rates of hospital admissions for
those that cannot afford to collect prescriptions.
Have you any evidence that higher speeds do not lead to more severe >>>>>>>>injuries in the event of an accident?
between freedom and consequences - obviously.
And parents are concerned that higher speeds near schools may well >>>>>>mean that an accident kills or severely injures more often than at >>>>>>lower speeds. So your freedom to speed conflicts with a childs >>>>>>freedom to live . . .
a
sociopathic misfit and belong in a gulag.
- and if an accident happens with a car driving at a higher speed, >>>>injuries are likely to be worse than an accident involving lower >>>>speeds.
put into words eaxtly what I wrote. Excellent.
The balance is, as in all things, the issue - not silly and offensive >>>absolutes
like "freedom to speed conflicts with a childs freedom to live" That was an >>>appalling piece of abuse by you and you know it - that is what happens when >>>you
lose.
Above line- grammar corrected.We balance lives with freedoms every day. and that is all I meant.And the government is over-ruling local councils with their "we have >>decided and we will tell local people what they must decide"
arrogance. Your sort of people, right, Tony?
No yours, you supported the last government which did exactly the same - don't >you remember 3 waters? Of course you don't - how convenient.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 02:32:49 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou have changed the topic again, just stop it and try some honesty.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You were responding to my post which said: "So how can they afford not
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 20:02:48 -0000 (UTC), TonyIt certainly is not what you wrote and what you wrote was deliberately >>>npolitical and emotive, but why would that surprise anybody?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 06:50:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You said "through the roof" which implies more than "full cost" and was >>>>>deliberately emotive.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Jul 2024 04:59:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Guesswork.
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:which is also covered here: >>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/521254/watch-housing-minister-reveals-housing-planning-changes-to-flood-country-with-new-homes
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:09:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Try this as just one story:
On 3 Jul 2024 00:52:05 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>You incessant sarcasm and deliberate mis statement of posts by more >>>>>>>>>>>competent
On 2024-07-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>theyYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>due?
are
running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined to
give
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions to
burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>political)
donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
No,
because all you want is to bring the government down - what a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>loser
that
makes
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>this
country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
As well as getting out of the lack of confidence.
Your problem with lack of confidence in the current government is >>>>>>>>>>>>shared by an increasing number of people, Gordon.
folk than yourself is shared by an increasing number of people. >>>>>>>>>>>> There are a lot of
businesses closing due to worsening business conditions >>>>>>>>>>>Not worsening, but still bad because of the incompetence of the last >>>>>>>>>>>government.
- many are
concerned about the effect of very high rate increases that will come
through in the next year, and the expectation that wages and salaries
are unlikely to keep pace with inflation. The cannot see the benefits
now accruing to landlords affecting them at all For most, 2024 is >>>>>>>>>>>>turning out to be much harder than earlier years . . . . >>>>>>>>>>>No that is untrue. In fact it is a lie.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/03/construction-downturn-bites-hard-as-kainga-ora-refocuses/
The construction sector is starting to shut down as this government >>>>>>>>>> stops building new homes, and this article highlights the problems in
the construction sector for private builds.
And yet we have
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350331318/chris-bishop-sets-out-radical-land-use-and-planning-reforms
and some comment here: >>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018945459/govt-announces-policies-so-cities-can-be-expanded-outwards
and Brown is currently talking about problems for Auckland from the >>>>>>>>dictatorial approach being taken.
The reality is that local authorities will charge through the roof for >>>>>>>>services in new areas where they do not want new developments - until >>>>>>>>they get through the requirements for 3 waters without government >>>>>>>>assistance.
As one Mayor said: Show us the money. Most Councils are (or will be) >>>>>>up to their limit on borrowing shortly, without any new developments. >>>>>>So how can they afford not to charge full cost for any new >>>>>>developments?
So you have changed your mind. Well done. Full cost it is and should be. >>>>Full cost is what I meant
to charge full cost for any new developments? "
So yes I did refer to "full cost," which is hugely more than
developers have paid in the past for infrastructure.
- the full cost of all infrastructure. Mostit - that means ratepayers. SImple, the council needs to find the money - it >>>is
Councils will be at or close to their maximum borrowing limit - in
case that went over your head, that means they will not be able to >>>>borrow more to meet any share of costs for new developments. They will >>>>therefore be unable to assist new developments with any of the costs
of necessary infrastructure - and Councils are also likely to be using >>>>all their relevant staff and equipment on current water projects. if >>>>developers have to pay for all that there will be significant
increases in costs compared with re-developing land already zoned >>>>residential. Would you call a doubling of costs (for example) "through >>>>the roof", Tony? As one Mayor said "Show us the money" . . . >>>Nonsense. If it needs to be done, and is not just a hope, then we need to >>>fund
not up to government. Otherwise we might as well scrap local councils - is >>>that
your plan?
After years of right wing "NAct" local councilors winning elections by >>promising to "keep rates low", we now know that what they were really
doing was cutting corners - and large corners at that - in long term >>maintenance and development of services. But now our New Zealand
government has decided it wants to "keep taxes low" - well mostly for >>landlords, (but then nobody else really counts to this Government) and
they cannot afford to help local authorities out - with either
existing infrastructure or new infrastructure - and if some local >>authorities reached limits on borrowing well they will just have to
stop borrowing . . . .
You are a fool, you think you can move the goalposts - you cannot, The fact is >the cost is the cost and we all have to pay for it. All else is rhetoric.
Now if you have "The Answer" for building all this new development at >>higher interest rates than government can borrow at then do let us
know Tony, but it does seem that Government are saying that local
bodies just have to get on with it and make 30 years development land
able to be rezoned to give Developers a choice of where to expand . .
. so if you were a local body Councilor what would you do, Tony?
3 waters you fool.
Co-governance, AKA destruction of democracy by stealth. Plus several more >>>>>but
What fuckups?Otherwise all Bishop is doing is yet another flip flop on the similar >>>>>>>>rule changes under Labour where they allowed higher density in cities >>>>>>>>- and from commentary so far it will allow dwellings that are less >>>>>>>>safe - being a developer is likely to get extremely risky . . . >>>>>>>No the government is trying to fix the fuckups by the last government. >>>>>>>Simple.
that one is sufficient.
What Co-governance happened during the years of Labour-led government, >>Tony?
You are possibly thinking of some of the settlements underYou rude prick - stop your abuse and keep to topic. You know what I was >referring to and yet you lie again and again.
National and Chris Finlayson. What destruction of democracy? Did you
vote in the election that resulted in the NAct1st government that we
now have? So no you didn't even get to the start line for identifying
any fuckups - or are you claiming that it is all John Keys fault?
Many local authorities have reached or are close to reaching theirYou have identified nothing of the sort - the costs have not changed, they are >exactly what they were before. The only change is how they are managed, much >more democratically now.
Co-governance have little or nothing to do with resource consenting >>>>process for new housing - at least in most Councils. Why did you think >>>>Co-governance is at all relevant? I don't recall the MinisterThere are no problems, you have identified none.
referring to that issue? Are you trying to distract from the real >>>>problems with the recent announcements?
I have identified a problem with local authorities having to increase
rates for 3 Waters, and now you seem to want further increases in
rates to subsidise developers - I did not invent those problems, they
are all NAct1st!
Try reading that comment again, and reflect on it, Tony. Perhaps ifYou appalling piece of abusive garbage, it is you that is losing your ability >to control your shit, not me.And you are deliberately twisting my motive which is clear from what I wrote >>>-read it and try to understand - I used short words just for you.And there we see you real response Tony - when you don't like the
Why would we accept something that is blatantly untrue?National is not just making a lot of people redundant, many businesses
are failing, fear of known cost increases and higher interest rates is
keeping many New Zealanders from spending or taking loans; many retail
businesses are failing - this government is frittering its time away >>>>>>>>>> by telling teachers how to teach, by dropping local authorities in >>>>>>>>>> huge holes with no way out, tightening rules for bank lending, not >>>>>>>>>> being prepared to pay what is needed to keep GPs working (many are >>>>>>>>>> retiring or moving), not able to recruit for hospitals. losing police
to Australia, etc. etc.
We need to accept that the previous Goverment spent up large, and there
is
now none left. Without money spending is difficult while dealing with >>>>>>>>>reality.
answer you just spray and walk away. Just watch where you sit, Tony -
the wet patch may stain . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Indeed.
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 07:05:27 -0000 (UTC), TonyAbove grammar now corrected.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 02:36:18 -0000 (UTC), TonyYes and when people go for a swim in the sea they can die. You are still >>>ignoring the truth - you are so dishonest. If we want to stop all children >>>dying from accidents then we need to stop all vehicles, close all roads, >>>prevent swiming in the sea, not allow kids to climb ablve 1m from the ground.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:When children get knocked down by a vehicle they can die.
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 20:04:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Well done, you finally stopped deliberately changing my meaning - you have >>>>>now
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:There you are going off track again. Clearly a higher speed limit >>>>>>enables you freedom to increase your speed within that new limit Tony >>>>>>- and if an accident happens with a car driving at a higher speed, >>>>>>injuries are likely to be worse than an accident involving lower >>>>>>speeds.
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 06:53:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I don;t believe in freedom to speed you half wit. I did not say that. You
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Jul 2024 05:08:15 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>That is not the issue, the degree of speed is the issue as is the >>>>>>>>>balance
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:10:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:So that is the bike folks avocating through a Stuff article. Certainly
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 21:04:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No they are not going to die because of any of those decisions. You
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>theyYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>due?
are
running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
give
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of course
they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>political)
donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
No,
because all you want is to bring the government down - what a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>loser
that
makes
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>this
country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
Perhaps my attempt to soften the criticism confused you Tony. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>People
are going to die as a result of these decisions, Tony - do you not
care about that?
are
an
appalling creature - it is you that cares not at all.
Not what is says here:
https://www.bikeauckland.org.nz/listen-to-aucklands-children-and-keep-safe-speed-limits/
or in the article above about higher rates of hospital admissions >>>>>>>>>>>>for
those that cannot afford to collect prescriptions.
double bias.
Have you any evidence that higher speeds do not lead to more severe >>>>>>>>>>injuries in the event of an accident?
between freedom and consequences - obviously.
And parents are concerned that higher speeds near schools may well >>>>>>>>mean that an accident kills or severely injures more often than at >>>>>>>>lower speeds. So your freedom to speed conflicts with a childs >>>>>>>>freedom to live . . .
are
a
sociopathic misfit and belong in a gulag.
put into words eaxtly what I wrote. Excellent.
The balance is, as in all things, the issue - not silly and offensive >>>>>absolutes
like "freedom to speed conflicts with a childs freedom to live" That was an
appalling piece of abuse by you and you know it - that is what happens when
you
lose.
You really are digging yourself into a hole. It is balance, it is always >>>balance, do you get it now?
Above line- grammar corrected.We balance lives with freedoms every day. and that is all I meant.And the government is over-ruling local councils with their "we have >>>>decided and we will tell local people what they must decide"
arrogance. Your sort of people, right, Tony?
No yours, you supported the last government which did exactly the same - >>>don't
you remember 3 waters? Of course you don't - how convenient.
Tony, I object to your deliberate deception in part of my post. For
the record, I said:
"And the government is over-ruling local councils with their "we have >>decided and we will tell local people what they must decide"
arrogance. Your sort of people, "Right", Tony?"
The last government did exactly the same thing - see above. All governments >dictate, it is their job on occasion.
And the people that would agree with me would include the Mayor of
Auckland and other local politicians of various political viewpoints
that have worked hard to get agreement from local citizens on what
happens in their local area.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:have other priorities for money.
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 06:56:44 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 02:32:49 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou have changed the topic again, just stop it and try some honesty.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You were responding to my post which said: "So how can they afford not >>>>to charge full cost for any new developments? "
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 20:02:48 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:It certainly is not what you wrote and what you wrote was deliberately >>>>>npolitical and emotive, but why would that surprise anybody?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 06:50:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You said "through the roof" which implies more than "full cost" and was >>>>>>>deliberately emotive.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Jul 2024 04:59:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>Guesswork.
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:which is also covered here: >>>>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/521254/watch-housing-minister-reveals-housing-planning-changes-to-flood-country-with-new-homes
On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:09:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Try this as just one story:
On 3 Jul 2024 00:52:05 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>competent
On 2024-07-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>theyYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is
are
running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
give
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and
businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>course
they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free prescriptions
to
burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>political)
donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
due?
No,
because all you want is to bring the government down - what a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>loser
that
makes
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>this
country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
As well as getting out of the lack of confidence.
Your problem with lack of confidence in the current government is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>shared by an increasing number of people, Gordon. >>>>>>>>>>>>>You incessant sarcasm and deliberate mis statement of posts by more
folk than yourself is shared by an increasing number of people. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are a lot of
businesses closing due to worsening business conditions >>>>>>>>>>>>>Not worsening, but still bad because of the incompetence of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>lastgovernment.
- many are
concerned about the effect of very high rate increases that will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>come
through in the next year, and the expectation that wages and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>salaries
are unlikely to keep pace with inflation. The cannot see the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>benefits
now accruing to landlords affecting them at all For most, 2024 is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>turning out to be much harder than earlier years . . . . >>>>>>>>>>>>>No that is untrue. In fact it is a lie.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/03/construction-downturn-bites-hard-as-kainga-ora-refocuses/
The construction sector is starting to shut down as this government
stops building new homes, and this article highlights the problems >>>>>>>>>>>>in
the construction sector for private builds.
And yet we have
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350331318/chris-bishop-sets-out-radical-land-use-and-planning-reforms
and some comment here: >>>>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018945459/govt-announces-policies-so-cities-can-be-expanded-outwards
and Brown is currently talking about problems for Auckland from the >>>>>>>>>>dictatorial approach being taken.
The reality is that local authorities will charge through the roof for
services in new areas where they do not want new developments - until >>>>>>>>>>they get through the requirements for 3 waters without government >>>>>>>>>>assistance.
As one Mayor said: Show us the money. Most Councils are (or will be) >>>>>>>>up to their limit on borrowing shortly, without any new developments. >>>>>>>>So how can they afford not to charge full cost for any new >>>>>>>>developments?
So you have changed your mind. Well done. Full cost it is and should be. >>>>>>Full cost is what I meant
So yes I did refer to "full cost," which is hugely more than
developers have paid in the past for infrastructure.
- the full cost of all infrastructure. Mostit - that means ratepayers. SImple, the council needs to find the money - >>>>>it
Councils will be at or close to their maximum borrowing limit - in >>>>>>case that went over your head, that means they will not be able to >>>>>>borrow more to meet any share of costs for new developments. They will >>>>>>therefore be unable to assist new developments with any of the costs >>>>>>of necessary infrastructure - and Councils are also likely to be using >>>>>>all their relevant staff and equipment on current water projects. if >>>>>>developers have to pay for all that there will be significant >>>>>>increases in costs compared with re-developing land already zoned >>>>>>residential. Would you call a doubling of costs (for example) "through >>>>>>the roof", Tony? As one Mayor said "Show us the money" . . . >>>>>Nonsense. If it needs to be done, and is not just a hope, then we need to >>>>>fund
is
not up to government. Otherwise we might as well scrap local councils - is >>>>>that
your plan?
After years of right wing "NAct" local councilors winning elections by >>>>promising to "keep rates low", we now know that what they were really >>>>doing was cutting corners - and large corners at that - in long term >>>>maintenance and development of services. But now our New Zealand >>>>government has decided it wants to "keep taxes low" - well mostly for >>>>landlords, (but then nobody else really counts to this Government) and >>>>they cannot afford to help local authorities out - with either >>>>existing infrastructure or new infrastructure - and if some local >>>>authorities reached limits on borrowing well they will just have to >>>>stop borrowing . . . .
You are a fool, you think you can move the goalposts - you cannot, The fact >>>is
Now if you have "The Answer" for building all this new development at >>>>higher interest rates than government can borrow at then do let us
know Tony, but it does seem that Government are saying that local >>>>bodies just have to get on with it and make 30 years development land >>>>able to be rezoned to give Developers a choice of where to expand . .
. so if you were a local body Councilor what would you do, Tony?
the cost is the cost and we all have to pay for it. All else is rhetoric. The Government have said that "all of us" does not include them - they
Are you calling Chris Finlayson and John Key liars? That was the termOnly becsuae we stopped it - it was planned and that is sufficient.3 waters you fool.
Co-governance, AKA destruction of democracy by stealth. Plus several more
What fuckups?Otherwise all Bishop is doing is yet another flip flop on the similar >>>>>>>>>>rule changes under Labour where they allowed higher density in cities >>>>>>>>>>- and from commentary so far it will allow dwellings that are less >>>>>>>>>>safe - being a developer is likely to get extremely risky . . . >>>>>>>>>No the government is trying to fix the fuckups by the last government. >>>>>>>>>Simple.
but
that one is sufficient.
What Co-governance happened during the years of Labour-led government, >>>>Tony?
It did not happen . . .
There was no co-governance, it was co-management and you know that.
You are possibly thinking of some of the settlements underYou rude prick - stop your abuse and keep to topic. You know what I was >>>referring to and yet you lie again and again.
National and Chris Finlayson. What destruction of democracy? Did you >>>>vote in the election that resulted in the NAct1st government that we >>>>now have? So no you didn't even get to the start line for identifying >>>>any fuckups - or are you claiming that it is all John Keys fault?
I was referring to the justifiable pride the Key Government, and
Finlayson in particular, took from treaty settlements based on >>co-governance (to use the term that he used)
Many local authorities have reached or are close to reaching theirYou have identified nothing of the sort - the costs have not changed, they >>>are
Co-governance have little or nothing to do with resource consenting >>>>>>process for new housing - at least in most Councils. Why did you think >>>>>>Co-governance is at all relevant? I don't recall the Minister >>>>>>referring to that issue? Are you trying to distract from the real >>>>>>problems with the recent announcements?There are no problems, you have identified none.
I have identified a problem with local authorities having to increase >>>>rates for 3 Waters, and now you seem to want further increases in
rates to subsidise developers - I did not invent those problems, they >>>>are all NAct1st!
exactly what they were before. The only change is how they are managed, much >>>more democratically now.
debt limits - set by government, but also set to avoid default should >>ratepayers not be able to meet those costs. The Government have given
no indication that they will allow increased borrowing even if
Councils wanted to have an increased limit.
The cost has not imcreased - listen to your brain for once.
You are abusive, you have always been it is in your DNA.
Try reading that comment again, and reflect on it, Tony. Perhaps ifYou appalling piece of abusive garbage, it is you that is losing your abilityAnd you are deliberately twisting my motive which is clear from what I >>>>>wroteAnd there we see you real response Tony - when you don't like the >>>>answer you just spray and walk away. Just watch where you sit, Tony - >>>>the wet patch may stain . . .
-read it and try to understand - I used short words just for you.
Why would we accept something that is blatantly untrue?National is not just making a lot of people redundant, many >>>>>>>>>>>>businesses
are failing, fear of known cost increases and higher interest rates
is
keeping many New Zealanders from spending or taking loans; many >>>>>>>>>>>>retail
businesses are failing - this government is frittering its time away
by telling teachers how to teach, by dropping local authorities in >>>>>>>>>>>> huge holes with no way out, tightening rules for bank lending, not >>>>>>>>>>>> being prepared to pay what is needed to keep GPs working (many are >>>>>>>>>>>> retiring or moving), not able to recruit for hospitals. losing >>>>>>>>>>>>police
to Australia, etc. etc.
We need to accept that the previous Goverment spent up large, and >>>>>>>>>>>there
is
now none left. Without money spending is difficult while dealing with
reality.
to control your shit, not me.
you have half a mind to be abusive, that is all you need . . .
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 22:50:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyToo late - I fixed it you failed again.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Indeed.
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 07:05:27 -0000 (UTC), TonyAbove grammar now corrected.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 02:36:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Yes and when people go for a swim in the sea they can die. You are still >>>>ignoring the truth - you are so dishonest. If we want to stop all children >>>>dying from accidents then we need to stop all vehicles, close all roads, >>>>prevent swiming in the sea, not allow kids to climb ablve 1m from the >>>>ground.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:When children get knocked down by a vehicle they can die.
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 20:04:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Well done, you finally stopped deliberately changing my meaning - you >>>>>>have
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:There you are going off track again. Clearly a higher speed limit >>>>>>>enables you freedom to increase your speed within that new limit Tony >>>>>>>- and if an accident happens with a car driving at a higher speed, >>>>>>>injuries are likely to be worse than an accident involving lower >>>>>>>speeds.
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 06:53:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I don;t believe in freedom to speed you half wit. I did not say that. >>>>>>>>You
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Jul 2024 05:08:15 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>That is not the issue, the degree of speed is the issue as is the >>>>>>>>>>balance
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:10:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
So that is the bike folks avocating through a Stuff article. >>>>>>>>>>>>Certainly
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Not what is says here:
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 21:04:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No they are not going to die because of any of those decisions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>You
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>theyYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>due?
are
running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
give
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and
businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>course
they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>prescriptions
to
burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>political)
donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
No,
because all you want is to bring the government down - what a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>loser
that
makes
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>this
country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
Perhaps my attempt to soften the criticism confused you Tony. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>People
are going to die as a result of these decisions, Tony - do you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not
care about that?
are
an
appalling creature - it is you that cares not at all. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://www.bikeauckland.org.nz/listen-to-aucklands-children-and-keep-safe-speed-limits/
or in the article above about higher rates of hospital admissions >>>>>>>>>>>>>for
those that cannot afford to collect prescriptions.
double bias.
Have you any evidence that higher speeds do not lead to more severe >>>>>>>>>>>injuries in the event of an accident?
between freedom and consequences - obviously.
And parents are concerned that higher speeds near schools may well >>>>>>>>>mean that an accident kills or severely injures more often than at >>>>>>>>>lower speeds. So your freedom to speed conflicts with a childs >>>>>>>>>freedom to live . . .
are
a
sociopathic misfit and belong in a gulag.
now
put into words eaxtly what I wrote. Excellent.
The balance is, as in all things, the issue - not silly and offensive >>>>>>absolutes
like "freedom to speed conflicts with a childs freedom to live" That was >>>>>>an
appalling piece of abuse by you and you know it - that is what happens >>>>>>when
you
lose.
You really are digging yourself into a hole. It is balance, it is always >>>>balance, do you get it now?
Above line- grammar corrected.We balance lives with freedoms every day. and that is all I meant. >>>>>And the government is over-ruling local councils with their "we have >>>>>decided and we will tell local people what they must decide" >>>>>arrogance. Your sort of people, right, Tony?
No yours, you supported the last government which did exactly the same - >>>>don't
you remember 3 waters? Of course you don't - how convenient.
Tony, I object to your deliberate deception in part of my post. For
the record, I said:
"And the government is over-ruling local councils with their "we have >>>decided and we will tell local people what they must decide"
arrogance. Your sort of people, right, Tony?"
The last government did exactly the same thing - see above. All governments >>dictate, it is their job on occasion.
And the people that would agree with me would include the Mayor of >>>Auckland and other local politicians of various political viewpoints
that have worked hard to get agreement from local citizens on what >>>happens in their local area.
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 22:49:04 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are being idiotic. The government only has one source of money and that is "all of us"
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:have other priorities for money.
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 06:56:44 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 02:32:49 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You have changed the topic again, just stop it and try some honesty.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You were responding to my post which said: "So how can they afford not >>>>>to charge full cost for any new developments? "
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 20:02:48 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:It certainly is not what you wrote and what you wrote was deliberately >>>>>>npolitical and emotive, but why would that surprise anybody?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Full cost is what I meant
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 06:50:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You said "through the roof" which implies more than "full cost" and was >>>>>>>>deliberately emotive.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Jul 2024 04:59:39 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>Guesswork.
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:09:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:which is also covered here: >>>>>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/521254/watch-housing-minister-reveals-housing-planning-changes-to-flood-country-with-new-homes
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Try this as just one story:
On 3 Jul 2024 00:52:05 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>competent
On 2024-07-02, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>theyYour problem with lack of confidence in the current government is
areYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is
running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>determined
to
give
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(and
businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in
hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>course
they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>prescriptions
to
burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>political)
donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
due?
No,
because all you want is to bring the government down - what a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>loser
that
makes
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>get
this
country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
As well as getting out of the lack of confidence. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
shared by an increasing number of people, Gordon. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>You incessant sarcasm and deliberate mis statement of posts by >>>>>>>>>>>>>>more
folk than yourself is shared by an increasing number of people. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There are a lot of
businesses closing due to worsening business conditions >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Not worsening, but still bad because of the incompetence of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>lastgovernment.
- many are
concerned about the effect of very high rate increases that will >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>come
through in the next year, and the expectation that wages and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>salaries
are unlikely to keep pace with inflation. The cannot see the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>benefits
now accruing to landlords affecting them at all For most, 2024 is
turning out to be much harder than earlier years . . . . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>No that is untrue. In fact it is a lie.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/03/construction-downturn-bites-hard-as-kainga-ora-refocuses/
The construction sector is starting to shut down as this >>>>>>>>>>>>>government
stops building new homes, and this article highlights the >>>>>>>>>>>>>problems
in
the construction sector for private builds.
And yet we have
https://www.stuff.co.nz/politics/350331318/chris-bishop-sets-out-radical-land-use-and-planning-reforms
and some comment here: >>>>>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/2018945459/govt-announces-policies-so-cities-can-be-expanded-outwards
and Brown is currently talking about problems for Auckland from the >>>>>>>>>>>dictatorial approach being taken.
The reality is that local authorities will charge through the roof >>>>>>>>>>>for
services in new areas where they do not want new developments - until
they get through the requirements for 3 waters without government >>>>>>>>>>>assistance.
As one Mayor said: Show us the money. Most Councils are (or will be) >>>>>>>>>up to their limit on borrowing shortly, without any new developments. >>>>>>>>>So how can they afford not to charge full cost for any new >>>>>>>>>developments?
So you have changed your mind. Well done. Full cost it is and should be.
So yes I did refer to "full cost," which is hugely more than >>>>>developers have paid in the past for infrastructure.
- the full cost of all infrastructure. Mostit - that means ratepayers. SImple, the council needs to find the money - >>>>>>it
Councils will be at or close to their maximum borrowing limit - in >>>>>>>case that went over your head, that means they will not be able to >>>>>>>borrow more to meet any share of costs for new developments. They will >>>>>>>therefore be unable to assist new developments with any of the costs >>>>>>>of necessary infrastructure - and Councils are also likely to be using >>>>>>>all their relevant staff and equipment on current water projects. if >>>>>>>developers have to pay for all that there will be significant >>>>>>>increases in costs compared with re-developing land already zoned >>>>>>>residential. Would you call a doubling of costs (for example) "through >>>>>>>the roof", Tony? As one Mayor said "Show us the money" . . . >>>>>>Nonsense. If it needs to be done, and is not just a hope, then we need to >>>>>>fund
is
not up to government. Otherwise we might as well scrap local councils - >>>>>>is
that
your plan?
After years of right wing "NAct" local councilors winning elections by >>>>>promising to "keep rates low", we now know that what they were really >>>>>doing was cutting corners - and large corners at that - in long term >>>>>maintenance and development of services. But now our New Zealand >>>>>government has decided it wants to "keep taxes low" - well mostly for >>>>>landlords, (but then nobody else really counts to this Government) and >>>>>they cannot afford to help local authorities out - with either >>>>>existing infrastructure or new infrastructure - and if some local >>>>>authorities reached limits on borrowing well they will just have to >>>>>stop borrowing . . . .
You are a fool, you think you can move the goalposts - you cannot, The fact >>>>is
Now if you have "The Answer" for building all this new development at >>>>>higher interest rates than government can borrow at then do let us >>>>>know Tony, but it does seem that Government are saying that local >>>>>bodies just have to get on with it and make 30 years development land >>>>>able to be rezoned to give Developers a choice of where to expand . . >>>>>. so if you were a local body Councilor what would you do, Tony?
the cost is the cost and we all have to pay for it. All else is rhetoric. >The Government have said that "all of us" does not include them - they
Used wrongly, as you well know and have had it explained to you so many times you are now being ridiculous.Are you calling Chris Finlayson and John Key liars? That was the termOnly becsuae we stopped it - it was planned and that is sufficient.3 waters you fool.
Co-governance, AKA destruction of democracy by stealth. Plus several >>>>>>>>more
What fuckups?Otherwise all Bishop is doing is yet another flip flop on the similarSimple.
rule changes under Labour where they allowed higher density in cities
- and from commentary so far it will allow dwellings that are less >>>>>>>>>>>safe - being a developer is likely to get extremely risky . . . >>>>>>>>>>No the government is trying to fix the fuckups by the last >>>>>>>>>>government.
but
that one is sufficient.
What Co-governance happened during the years of Labour-led government, >>>>>Tony?
It did not happen . . .
There was no co-governance, it was co-management and you know that.
You are possibly thinking of some of the settlements underYou rude prick - stop your abuse and keep to topic. You know what I was >>>>referring to and yet you lie again and again.
National and Chris Finlayson. What destruction of democracy? Did you >>>>>vote in the election that resulted in the NAct1st government that we >>>>>now have? So no you didn't even get to the start line for identifying >>>>>any fuckups - or are you claiming that it is all John Keys fault?
I was referring to the justifiable pride the Key Government, and >>>Finlayson in particular, took from treaty settlements based on >>>co-governance (to use the term that he used)
that they used.
Many local authorities have reached or are close to reaching theirYou have identified nothing of the sort - the costs have not changed, they >>>>are
Co-governance have little or nothing to do with resource consenting >>>>>>>process for new housing - at least in most Councils. Why did you think >>>>>>>Co-governance is at all relevant? I don't recall the Minister >>>>>>>referring to that issue? Are you trying to distract from the real >>>>>>>problems with the recent announcements?There are no problems, you have identified none.
I have identified a problem with local authorities having to increase >>>>>rates for 3 Waters, and now you seem to want further increases in >>>>>rates to subsidise developers - I did not invent those problems, they >>>>>are all NAct1st!
exactly what they were before. The only change is how they are managed, >>>>much
more democratically now.
debt limits - set by government, but also set to avoid default should >>>ratepayers not be able to meet those costs. The Government have given
no indication that they will allow increased borrowing even if
Councils wanted to have an increased limit.
The cost has not imcreased - listen to your brain for once.
You are abusive, you have always been it is in your DNA.
Try reading that comment again, and reflect on it, Tony. Perhaps ifYou appalling piece of abusive garbage, it is you that is losing your >>>>abilityAnd you are deliberately twisting my motive which is clear from what I >>>>>>wroteAnd there we see you real response Tony - when you don't like the >>>>>answer you just spray and walk away. Just watch where you sit, Tony - >>>>>the wet patch may stain . . .
-read it and try to understand - I used short words just for you.
Why would we accept something that is blatantly untrue?National is not just making a lot of people redundant, many >>>>>>>>>>>>>businesses
are failing, fear of known cost increases and higher interest >>>>>>>>>>>>>rates
is
keeping many New Zealanders from spending or taking loans; many >>>>>>>>>>>>>retail
businesses are failing - this government is frittering its time >>>>>>>>>>>>>away
by telling teachers how to teach, by dropping local authorities in
huge holes with no way out, tightening rules for bank lending, not
being prepared to pay what is needed to keep GPs working (many are
retiring or moving), not able to recruit for hospitals. losing >>>>>>>>>>>>>police
to Australia, etc. etc.
We need to accept that the previous Goverment spent up large, and >>>>>>>>>>>>there
is
now none left. Without money spending is difficult while dealing >>>>>>>>>>>>with
reality.
to control your shit, not me.
you have half a mind to be abusive, that is all you need . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 22:50:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 07:05:27 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe last government did exactly the same thing - see above. All governments >>>dictate, it is their job on occasion.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 02:36:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Yes and when people go for a swim in the sea they can die. You are still >>>>>ignoring the truth - you are so dishonest. If we want to stop all children >>>>>dying from accidents then we need to stop all vehicles, close all roads, >>>>>prevent swiming in the sea, not allow kids to climb ablve 1m from the >>>>>ground.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:When children get knocked down by a vehicle they can die.
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 20:04:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Well done, you finally stopped deliberately changing my meaning - you >>>>>>>have
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:There you are going off track again. Clearly a higher speed limit >>>>>>>>enables you freedom to increase your speed within that new limit Tony >>>>>>>>- and if an accident happens with a car driving at a higher speed, >>>>>>>>injuries are likely to be worse than an accident involving lower >>>>>>>>speeds.
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 06:53:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I don;t believe in freedom to speed you half wit. I did not say that. >>>>>>>>>You
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Jul 2024 05:08:15 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>That is not the issue, the degree of speed is the issue as is the >>>>>>>>>>>balance
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:10:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
So that is the bike folks avocating through a Stuff article. >>>>>>>>>>>>>Certainly
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Not what is says here:
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 21:04:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No they are not going to die because of any of those decisions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>theyYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it is
are
running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown determined
to
give
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas (and
businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people in
hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>course
they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>prescriptions
to
burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>political)
donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
due?
No,
because all you want is to bring the government down - what a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>loser
that
makes
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to get >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>this
country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
Perhaps my attempt to soften the criticism confused you Tony. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>People
are going to die as a result of these decisions, Tony - do you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not
care about that?
are
an
appalling creature - it is you that cares not at all. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://www.bikeauckland.org.nz/listen-to-aucklands-children-and-keep-safe-speed-limits/
or in the article above about higher rates of hospital admissions
for
those that cannot afford to collect prescriptions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
double bias.
Have you any evidence that higher speeds do not lead to more severe >>>>>>>>>>>>injuries in the event of an accident?
between freedom and consequences - obviously.
And parents are concerned that higher speeds near schools may well >>>>>>>>>>mean that an accident kills or severely injures more often than at >>>>>>>>>>lower speeds. So your freedom to speed conflicts with a childs >>>>>>>>>>freedom to live . . .
are
a
sociopathic misfit and belong in a gulag.
now
put into words eaxtly what I wrote. Excellent.
The balance is, as in all things, the issue - not silly and offensive >>>>>>>absolutes
like "freedom to speed conflicts with a childs freedom to live" That was >>>>>>>an
appalling piece of abuse by you and you know it - that is what happens >>>>>>>when
you
lose.
You really are digging yourself into a hole. It is balance, it is always >>>>>balance, do you get it now?
Above line- grammar corrected.We balance lives with freedoms every day. and that is all I meant. >>>>>>And the government is over-ruling local councils with their "we have >>>>>>decided and we will tell local people what they must decide" >>>>>>arrogance. Your sort of people, right, Tony?
No yours, you supported the last government which did exactly the same - >>>>>don't
you remember 3 waters? Of course you don't - how convenient.
Tony, I object to your deliberate deception in part of my post. For
the record, I said:
"And the government is over-ruling local councils with their "we have >>>>decided and we will tell local people what they must decide"
arrogance. Your sort of people, 'far far rabid Right', Tony?"
And the people that would agree with me would include the Mayor of >>>>Auckland and other local politicians of various political viewpoints >>>>that have worked hard to get agreement from local citizens on what >>>>happens in their local area.
On Sat, 6 Jul 2024 06:37:32 -0000 (UTC), TonyOnly when it suited, they also dictated and mandated on several occasions on several matters. You are lying. How can you be so transparently immoral?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 22:50:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 07:05:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:The last government did exactly the same thing - see above. All governments >>>>dictate, it is their job on occasion.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 5 Jul 2024 02:36:18 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Yes and when people go for a swim in the sea they can die. You are still >>>>>>ignoring the truth - you are so dishonest. If we want to stop all >>>>>>children
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:When children get knocked down by a vehicle they can die.
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 20:04:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Well done, you finally stopped deliberately changing my meaning - you >>>>>>>>have
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:There you are going off track again. Clearly a higher speed limit >>>>>>>>>enables you freedom to increase your speed within that new limit Tony >>>>>>>>>- and if an accident happens with a car driving at a higher speed, >>>>>>>>>injuries are likely to be worse than an accident involving lower >>>>>>>>>speeds.
On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 06:53:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I don;t believe in freedom to speed you half wit. I did not say that. >>>>>>>>>>You
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 4 Jul 2024 05:08:15 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>That is not the issue, the degree of speed is the issue as is the >>>>>>>>>>>>balance
On 2024-07-03, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 08:10:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
So that is the bike folks avocating through a Stuff article. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Certainly
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Not what is says here:
On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 21:04:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No they are not going to die because of any of those decisions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Our hospitals are going so well under the new Government >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that
theyYour sarcasm is showing - how about you give credit where it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is
are
running out of work - so we first have Simeon Brown >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>determined
to
give
them more work by putting up speed limits that local areas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(and
businesses) want kept lower, Now we have the reimposition of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>prescription fees that researchers say will put more people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in
hospital. Another "FreeDumb" policy from NAct1st - but of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>course
they
may well say they are just facilitating competition - Chemist
Warehouse is big enough to continue offering free >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>prescriptions
to
burn off more small chemists - that is presumably "fair >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>competition"
to NAct1st - did Chemist Warehouse make a (carefully not >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>political)
donation to the NZ Taxpayer union?
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/521003/prescription-fees-return-we-re-going-to-see-higher-rates-of-hospital-admissions
due?
No,
because all you want is to bring the government down - what a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>loser
that
makes
you. Get a life and support a government that is trying to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>get
this
country
out
of the Labour caused depression we are in.
Perhaps my attempt to soften the criticism confused you Tony. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>People
are going to die as a result of these decisions, Tony - do you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not
care about that?
are
an
appalling creature - it is you that cares not at all. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
https://www.bikeauckland.org.nz/listen-to-aucklands-children-and-keep-safe-speed-limits/
or in the article above about higher rates of hospital >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>admissions
for
those that cannot afford to collect prescriptions. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
double bias.
Have you any evidence that higher speeds do not lead to more severe
injuries in the event of an accident?
between freedom and consequences - obviously.
And parents are concerned that higher speeds near schools may well >>>>>>>>>>>mean that an accident kills or severely injures more often than at >>>>>>>>>>>lower speeds. So your freedom to speed conflicts with a childs >>>>>>>>>>>freedom to live . . .
are
a
sociopathic misfit and belong in a gulag.
now
put into words eaxtly what I wrote. Excellent.
The balance is, as in all things, the issue - not silly and offensive >>>>>>>>absolutes
like "freedom to speed conflicts with a childs freedom to live" That >>>>>>>>was
an
appalling piece of abuse by you and you know it - that is what happens >>>>>>>>when
you
lose.
dying from accidents then we need to stop all vehicles, close all roads, >>>>>>prevent swiming in the sea, not allow kids to climb ablve 1m from the >>>>>>ground.
You really are digging yourself into a hole. It is balance, it is always >>>>>>balance, do you get it now?
Above line- grammar corrected.We balance lives with freedoms every day. and that is all I meant. >>>>>>>And the government is over-ruling local councils with their "we have >>>>>>>decided and we will tell local people what they must decide" >>>>>>>arrogance. Your sort of people, right, Tony?
No yours, you supported the last government which did exactly the same - >>>>>>don't
you remember 3 waters? Of course you don't - how convenient.
Tony, I object to your deliberate deception in part of my post. For >>>>>the record, I said:
"And the government is over-ruling local councils with their "we have >>>>>decided and we will tell local people what they must decide" >>>>>arrogance. Your sort of people, 'far far rabid Right', Tony?"
And the people that would agree with me would include the Mayor of >>>>>Auckland and other local politicians of various political viewpoints >>>>>that have worked hard to get agreement from local citizens on what >>>>>happens in their local area.
No, the last government did consult, and more importantly listened and
acted
- see a letter to the current Minister here:
https://x.com/GreaterAKL/status/1809350523713384854/photo/1
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