• Cuts to Coastal Mapping project

    From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 11 14:46:57 2024
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-department-scales-back-coastal-mapping-project-fears-climate-planning-and-adaptation-measures-at-risk/FTAKIUNKURDDTHMNAIQCGR4QDU/

    It is behind a paywall, but even from the headline you get the idea.
    Yet again the government is taking away information that would help
    people understand risks relating to environmental factors. Now perhaps
    there are a lot of supporters of NAct1st that have coastal properties
    they want to sell before they get too affected, and ignorant buyers
    are better for getting the best price, but more likely is that this is
    just an ideological cut - predicting future problems is not where the
    "Right" think government should go - and if it all goes bad then they
    can be just as surprised and provide only minimal help.

    Money for landlords, not for other people . . .

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  • From BR@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 11 17:36:17 2024
    On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 14:46:57 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-department-scales-back-coastal-mapping-project-fears-climate-planning-and-adaptation-measures-at-risk/FTAKIUNKURDDTHMNAIQCGR4QDU/

    It is behind a paywall, but even from the headline you get the idea.
    Yet again the government is taking away information that would help
    people understand risks relating to environmental factors.

    What environmental factors?

    Now perhaps
    there are a lot of supporters of NAct1st that have coastal properties
    they want to sell before they get too affected,

    Affected by what?

    and ignorant buyers
    are better for getting the best price, but more likely is that this is
    just an ideological cut - predicting future problems

    What future problems?


    is not where the
    "Right" think government should go - and if it all goes bad then they
    can be just as surprised and provide only minimal help.

    What can go bad?


    Money for landlords, not for other people . . .

    Have you ever been a landlord, Rich80105?

    Bill.


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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Jul 11 07:25:09 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-department-scales-back-coastal-mapping-project-fears-climate-planning-and-adaptation-measures-at-risk/FTAKIUNKURDDTHMNAIQCGR4QDU/

    It is behind a paywall, but even from the headline you get the idea.
    Yet again the government is taking away information that would help
    people understand risks relating to environmental factors. Now perhaps
    there are a lot of supporters of NAct1st that have coastal properties
    they want to sell before they get too affected, and ignorant buyers
    are better for getting the best price, but more likely is that this is
    just an ideological cut - predicting future problems is not where the
    "Right" think government should go - and if it all goes bad then they
    can be just as surprised and provide only minimal help.
    The coastal risks are based on zero science. There is no evidence to support the notion that sea levels are rising other than normal historical cycles. So let's spend money where it can do good.

    Money for landlords, not for other people . . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to blah@blah.blah on Thu Jul 11 07:26:17 2024
    BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
    On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 14:46:57 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-department-scales-back-coastal-mapping-project-fears-climate-planning-and-adaptation-measures-at-risk/FTAKIUNKURDDTHMNAIQCGR4QDU/

    It is behind a paywall, but even from the headline you get the idea.
    Yet again the government is taking away information that would help
    people understand risks relating to environmental factors.

    What environmental factors?

    Now perhaps
    there are a lot of supporters of NAct1st that have coastal properties
    they want to sell before they get too affected,

    Affected by what?

    and ignorant buyers
    are better for getting the best price, but more likely is that this is
    just an ideological cut - predicting future problems

    What future problems?


    is not where the
    "Right" think government should go - and if it all goes bad then they
    can be just as surprised and provide only minimal help.

    What can go bad?


    Money for landlords, not for other people . . .

    Have you ever been a landlord, Rich80105?
    Obviously not. Oh dear, that might generate another lie from him!

    Bill.


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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Thu Jul 11 23:31:53 2024
    On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 07:25:09 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-department-scales-back-coastal-mapping-project-fears-climate-planning-and-adaptation-measures-at-risk/FTAKIUNKURDDTHMNAIQCGR4QDU/

    It is behind a paywall, but even from the headline you get the idea.
    Yet again the government is taking away information that would help
    people understand risks relating to environmental factors. Now perhaps >>there are a lot of supporters of NAct1st that have coastal properties
    they want to sell before they get too affected, and ignorant buyers
    are better for getting the best price, but more likely is that this is
    just an ideological cut - predicting future problems is not where the >>"Right" think government should go - and if it all goes bad then they
    can be just as surprised and provide only minimal help.
    The coastal risks are based on zero science. There is no evidence to support >the notion that sea levels are rising other than normal historical cycles. So >let's spend money where it can do good.

    Money for landlords, not for other people . . .

    There are quite a few areas around New Zealand where houses are having
    to be moved back from the sea as erosion and storms make it unsafe to
    leave them where they are.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Jul 11 20:58:27 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 07:25:09 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-department-scales-back-coastal-mapping-project-fears-climate-planning-and-adaptation-measures-at-risk/FTAKIUNKURDDTHMNAIQCGR4QDU/

    It is behind a paywall, but even from the headline you get the idea.
    Yet again the government is taking away information that would help >>>people understand risks relating to environmental factors. Now perhaps >>>there are a lot of supporters of NAct1st that have coastal properties >>>they want to sell before they get too affected, and ignorant buyers
    are better for getting the best price, but more likely is that this is >>>just an ideological cut - predicting future problems is not where the >>>"Right" think government should go - and if it all goes bad then they
    can be just as surprised and provide only minimal help.
    The coastal risks are based on zero science. There is no evidence to support >>the notion that sea levels are rising other than normal historical cycles. So >>let's spend money where it can do good.

    Money for landlords, not for other people . . .

    There are quite a few areas around New Zealand where houses are having
    to be moved back from the sea as erosion and storms make it unsafe to
    leave them where they are.
    Cite? And only ones that show the cause is climate change and not historical erosion.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Tony on Thu Jul 11 21:41:46 2024
    On 2024-07-11, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 07:25:09 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-department-scales-back-coastal-mapping-project-fears-climate-planning-and-adaptation-measures-at-risk/FTAKIUNKURDDTHMNAIQCGR4QDU/

    It is behind a paywall, but even from the headline you get the idea. >>>>Yet again the government is taking away information that would help >>>>people understand risks relating to environmental factors. Now perhaps >>>>there are a lot of supporters of NAct1st that have coastal properties >>>>they want to sell before they get too affected, and ignorant buyers
    are better for getting the best price, but more likely is that this is >>>>just an ideological cut - predicting future problems is not where the >>>>"Right" think government should go - and if it all goes bad then they >>>>can be just as surprised and provide only minimal help.
    The coastal risks are based on zero science. There is no evidence to support >>>the notion that sea levels are rising other than normal historical cycles. So
    let's spend money where it can do good.

    Money for landlords, not for other people . . .

    There are quite a few areas around New Zealand where houses are having
    to be moved back from the sea as erosion and storms make it unsafe to
    leave them where they are.
    Cite? And only ones that show the cause is climate change and not historical erosion.
    There are other parts where the coastline is building up ( not by EQ),
    Farwell Spit. Cherry picking is best done in orchards.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Tony on Thu Jul 11 21:35:57 2024
    On 2024-07-11, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-department-scales-back-coastal-mapping-project-fears-climate-planning-and-adaptation-measures-at-risk/FTAKIUNKURDDTHMNAIQCGR4QDU/

    It is behind a paywall, but even from the headline you get the idea.
    Yet again the government is taking away information that would help
    people understand risks relating to environmental factors. Now perhaps >>there are a lot of supporters of NAct1st that have coastal properties
    they want to sell before they get too affected, and ignorant buyers
    are better for getting the best price, but more likely is that this is
    just an ideological cut - predicting future problems is not where the >>"Right" think government should go - and if it all goes bad then they
    can be just as surprised and provide only minimal help.
    The coastal risks are based on zero science. There is no evidence to support the notion that sea levels are rising other than normal historical cycles. So let's spend money where it can do good.

    In the past the sea levels have been lower and higher than in the present levels. Often caused by global warming way before 1800.


    Money for landlords, not for other people . . .

    Without Landlords there will not be any rental properties. Thus you should
    be putting the case that the Government offering help for the landlords is a good idea as it will reduce rentals.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Thu Jul 11 22:19:51 2024
    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-07-11, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 07:25:09 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-department-scales-back-coastal-mapping-project-fears-climate-planning-and-adaptation-measures-at-risk/FTAKIUNKURDDTHMNAIQCGR4QDU/

    It is behind a paywall, but even from the headline you get the idea. >>>>>Yet again the government is taking away information that would help >>>>>people understand risks relating to environmental factors. Now perhaps >>>>>there are a lot of supporters of NAct1st that have coastal properties >>>>>they want to sell before they get too affected, and ignorant buyers >>>>>are better for getting the best price, but more likely is that this is >>>>>just an ideological cut - predicting future problems is not where the >>>>>"Right" think government should go - and if it all goes bad then they >>>>>can be just as surprised and provide only minimal help.
    The coastal risks are based on zero science. There is no evidence to >>>>support
    the notion that sea levels are rising other than normal historical cycles. >>>>So
    let's spend money where it can do good.

    Money for landlords, not for other people . . .

    There are quite a few areas around New Zealand where houses are having
    to be moved back from the sea as erosion and storms make it unsafe to >>>leave them where they are.
    Cite? And only ones that show the cause is climate change and not historical >> erosion.
    There are other parts where the coastline is building up ( not by EQ), Farwell Spit. Cherry picking is best done in orchards.
    Exactly - there are far too many people earning far too much money making shit up like Rich does.
    There is no climate emergency and no unusual coastal erosion.
    I am prepared to change that opinion in the face of scientific evidence, to dat there is none.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Fri Jul 12 11:41:48 2024
    On 11 Jul 2024 21:41:46 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2024-07-11, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 07:25:09 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-department-scales-back-coastal-mapping-project-fears-climate-planning-and-adaptation-measures-at-risk/FTAKIUNKURDDTHMNAIQCGR4QDU/

    It is behind a paywall, but even from the headline you get the idea. >>>>>Yet again the government is taking away information that would help >>>>>people understand risks relating to environmental factors. Now perhaps >>>>>there are a lot of supporters of NAct1st that have coastal properties >>>>>they want to sell before they get too affected, and ignorant buyers >>>>>are better for getting the best price, but more likely is that this is >>>>>just an ideological cut - predicting future problems is not where the >>>>>"Right" think government should go - and if it all goes bad then they >>>>>can be just as surprised and provide only minimal help.
    The coastal risks are based on zero science. There is no evidence to support
    the notion that sea levels are rising other than normal historical cycles. So
    let's spend money where it can do good.

    Money for landlords, not for other people . . .

    There are quite a few areas around New Zealand where houses are having
    to be moved back from the sea as erosion and storms make it unsafe to >>>leave them where they are.
    Cite? And only ones that show the cause is climate change and not historical >> erosion.
    There are other parts where the coastline is building up ( not by EQ), Farwell Spit. Cherry picking is best done in orchards.

    Have a look at the photograph in the article referenced above. Do you
    think the owners care why the sea may be threatening their land and
    house? Think about the people flooded in Wairoa due to the Bar
    closing - do you think they care whether that is happening because of
    increased abnormal climate events or other causes? They just want it
    fixed, and if scientists can analyse what is happening and assist in
    predicting those abnormal events then they would prefer that
    information than ''reckons'' on nz.general . . .

    Gordon is also correct that different forces will affect different
    parts of New Zealand (and the world) in different ways. The coastal
    mapping project , and assessing different adaption measures however
    appears to be yet another casualty of current government priorities .
    . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Jul 12 03:16:09 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 11 Jul 2024 21:41:46 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2024-07-11, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 07:25:09 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/govt-department-scales-back-coastal-mapping-project-fears-climate-planning-and-adaptation-measures-at-risk/FTAKIUNKURDDTHMNAIQCGR4QDU/

    It is behind a paywall, but even from the headline you get the idea. >>>>>>Yet again the government is taking away information that would help >>>>>>people understand risks relating to environmental factors. Now perhaps >>>>>>there are a lot of supporters of NAct1st that have coastal properties >>>>>>they want to sell before they get too affected, and ignorant buyers >>>>>>are better for getting the best price, but more likely is that this is >>>>>>just an ideological cut - predicting future problems is not where the >>>>>>"Right" think government should go - and if it all goes bad then they >>>>>>can be just as surprised and provide only minimal help.
    The coastal risks are based on zero science. There is no evidence to >>>>>support
    the notion that sea levels are rising other than normal historical cycles. >>>>>So
    let's spend money where it can do good.

    Money for landlords, not for other people . . .

    There are quite a few areas around New Zealand where houses are having >>>>to be moved back from the sea as erosion and storms make it unsafe to >>>>leave them where they are.
    Cite? And only ones that show the cause is climate change and not >>>historical
    erosion.
    There are other parts where the coastline is building up ( not by EQ),
    Farwell Spit. Cherry picking is best done in orchards.

    Have a look at the photograph in the article referenced above. Do you
    think the owners care why the sea may be threatening their land and
    house? Think about the people flooded in Wairoa due to the Bar
    closing - do you think they care whether that is happening because of >increased abnormal climate events or other causes? They just want it
    fixed, and if scientists can analyse what is happening and assist in >predicting those abnormal events then they would prefer that
    information than ''reckons'' on nz.general . . .
    There is no eviodence that these issues are related to the any climate emergency that you are other fools fantasise about.

    Gordon is also correct that different forces will affect different
    parts of New Zealand (and the world) in different ways. The coastal
    mapping project , and assessing different adaption measures however
    appears to be yet another casualty of current government priorities .
    . .

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