Yet another National / Nicola Willis mistake . . .Nothing compared to the cost overruns that the last government's error would have led to if this government had not fixed it.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://mountaintuihere.substack.com/p/the-kiwirail-interislander-saga-continues
Nothing compared to the cost overruns that the last government's error would >have led to if this government had not fixed it.
Yet another National / Nicola Willis mistake . . .
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 07:22:55 -0000 (UTC), TonyIf you don't know then we may assume there are none.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://mountaintuihere.substack.com/p/the-kiwirail-interislander-saga-continues
Nothing compared to the cost overruns that the last government's error would >>have led to if this government had not fixed it.
Yet another National / Nicola Willis mistake . . .
Would that they had fixed it - they have cost at least $484 million
one just one aspect of it, and still without an order in to replace
the ones already under way. We also do not know about any penalties in
the contract that they cancelled.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You can assume all you like, but it does not make it true or false. It
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 07:22:55 -0000 (UTC), TonyIf you don't know then we may assume there are none.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://mountaintuihere.substack.com/p/the-kiwirail-interislander-saga-continues
Nothing compared to the cost overruns that the last government's error would >>>have led to if this government had not fixed it.
Yet another National / Nicola Willis mistake . . .
Would that they had fixed it - they have cost at least $484 million
one just one aspect of it, and still without an order in to replace
the ones already under way. We also do not know about any penalties in
the contract that they cancelled.
The cost due to the incompetence of the last government is at least $3 billion.Do you have any evidence of your unsupported assertion?
No contest with one sixth of that.
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 21:01:04 -0000 (UTC), TonyMy assumptions are exponentially better than your lies.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You can assume all you like, but it does not make it true or false. It
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 07:22:55 -0000 (UTC), TonyIf you don't know then we may assume there are none.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://mountaintuihere.substack.com/p/the-kiwirail-interislander-saga-continues
Nothing compared to the cost overruns that the last government's error >>>>would
Yet another National / Nicola Willis mistake . . .
have led to if this government had not fixed it.
Would that they had fixed it - they have cost at least $484 million
one just one aspect of it, and still without an order in to replace
the ones already under way. We also do not know about any penalties in >>>the contract that they cancelled.
just indicates that you are ignorant.
How quickly you ignore recently published facts. The overrun was announced at more than $3 billion and you know it.The cost due to the incompetence of the last government is at least $3 >>billion.Do you have any evidence of your unsupported assertion?
No contest with one sixth of that.
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 21:01:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You can assume all you like, but it does not make it true or false. It
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 07:22:55 -0000 (UTC), TonyIf you don't know then we may assume there are none.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://mountaintuihere.substack.com/p/the-kiwirail-interislander-saga-continues
Nothing compared to the cost overruns that the last government's error would
Yet another National / Nicola Willis mistake . . .
have led to if this government had not fixed it.
Would that they had fixed it - they have cost at least $484 million
one just one aspect of it, and still without an order in to replace
the ones already under way. We also do not know about any penalties in >>>the contract that they cancelled.
just indicates that you are ignorant.
The cost due to the incompetence of the last government is at least $3 billion.Do you have any evidence of your unsupported assertion?
No contest with one sixth of that.
On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 11:06:35 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>Did they approve that increase?
wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 21:01:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You can assume all you like, but it does not make it true or false. It
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 07:22:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:If you don't know then we may assume there are none.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>https://mountaintuihere.substack.com/p/the-kiwirail-interislander-saga-continues
Nothing compared to the cost overruns that the last government's error would
Yet another National / Nicola Willis mistake . . .
have led to if this government had not fixed it.
Would that they had fixed it - they have cost at least $484 million
one just one aspect of it, and still without an order in to replace
the ones already under way. We also do not know about any penalties in >>>>the contract that they cancelled.
just indicates that you are ignorant.
The cost due to the incompetence of the last government is at least $3 billion.Do you have any evidence of your unsupported assertion?
No contest with one sixth of that.
I will await Tony's response, but I also observe you ignore the facts
that do not suit your political bias. The cost of IREX would have
increased from $775 million to $3 billion if the government had
approved support to Kiwirail to fund the blowout.
Google 'Kiwirail
IREX project' to get multiple links pointing to project detail. On
that basis the write-off of costs to date (as some of those Google
links shows) is small change compared to the amount saved.
Kiwirail have clearly shown with the IREX project in particular and
the Interislander in general that they are not capable of running a
shipping service without government support.
On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 11:34:35 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 12 Jul 2024 11:06:35 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:Did they approve that increase?
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 21:01:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You can assume all you like, but it does not make it true or false. It >>>just indicates that you are ignorant.
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 07:22:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:If you don't know then we may assume there are none.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>https://mountaintuihere.substack.com/p/the-kiwirail-interislander-saga-continues
Nothing compared to the cost overruns that the last government's error would
Yet another National / Nicola Willis mistake . . .
have led to if this government had not fixed it.
Would that they had fixed it - they have cost at least $484 million >>>>>one just one aspect of it, and still without an order in to replace >>>>>the ones already under way. We also do not know about any penalties in >>>>>the contract that they cancelled.
The cost due to the incompetence of the last government is at least $3 billion.Do you have any evidence of your unsupported assertion?
No contest with one sixth of that.
I will await Tony's response, but I also observe you ignore the facts
that do not suit your political bias. The cost of IREX would have >>increased from $775 million to $3 billion if the government had
approved support to Kiwirail to fund the blowout.
There were two linked projects - one was to purchase two new ships,
needed as the existing ships are nearing end of life as has been
adequately demonstrated. A second related project is the berths at
each end - needed to cope with increases in usage (current and
future), but also to allow for seismic risks - more clear following
the Kaikoura earthquakes, and also at the Wellington end efficiencies
with the port to allow for increasing cruise ships as well as seismic >concerns.
Most of the loss incurred by the new Government (at least so far) has
been through Willis canceling the order for two ships; I do not recall
seeing any advice regarding that cancellation . . .
Most major projects are presented on the basis of current costs, and
it is expected that future budgets will need to allow for cost
inflation and adjustments to allow for unforeseen issues. Most will be
aware of the cost increases that affected the Kapiti Expressway for
example. We have yet to see analysis of increases to the State Highway
1 Cook Strait terminals project(s).
Google 'Kiwirail
IREX project' to get multiple links pointing to project detail. On
that basis the write-off of costs to date (as some of those Google
links shows) is small change compared to the amount saved.
Kiwirail have clearly shown with the IREX project in particular and
the Interislander in general that they are not capable of running a >>shipping service without government support.
The cost due to the incompetence of the last government is at least $3 billion.
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 21:01:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:No, for their own incompetence for 3 years before the last election.
The cost due to the incompetence of the last government is at least $3
billion.
Are we still blaming the previous Government for the costs being racked up
by this one?
How very ... Trump-like ...Indeed, that government was very Trump like. Thank goodness this one is not.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Are we still blaming the previous Government for the costs being racked
up by this one?
No, for their own incompetence for 3 years before the last election.
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 02:46:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:Lawrence the word "previous" is a descriptive one meaning before the current government (in this context). Most English speakers understand that words describing nouns are called adjectives.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Are we still blaming the previous Government for the costs being racked >>>up by this one?
No, for their own incompetence for 3 years before the last election.
Wow, 3 years’ worth of incompetence in just 9 months??
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 02:46:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Are we still blaming the previous Government for the costs being
racked up by this one?
No, for their own incompetence for 3 years before the last election.
Wow, 3 years’ worth of incompetence in just 9 months??
Lawrence the word "previous" is a descriptive one meaning before the
current government (in this context).
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 07:17:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:Irrelevant - you clearly do not understand English syntax.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 02:46:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Are we still blaming the previous Government for the costs being >>>>>racked up by this one?
No, for their own incompetence for 3 years before the last election.
Wow, 3 years’ worth of incompetence in just 9 months??
Lawrence the word "previous" is a descriptive one meaning before the
current government (in this context).
You did say “no, for their own incompetence” where I said “blaming the >previous Government”, did you not?
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 07:17:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 02:46:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Are we still blaming the previous Government for the costs being >>>>>>racked up by this one?
No, for their own incompetence for 3 years before the last election.
Wow, 3 years’ worth of incompetence in just 9 months??
Lawrence the word "previous" is a descriptive one meaning before the
current government (in this context).
You did say “no, for their own incompetence” where I said “blaming the >>previous Government”, did you not?
Irrelevant - you clearly do not understand English syntax.
On Wed, 17 Jul 2024 03:31:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:Yes, unlike you.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 07:17:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Tue, 16 Jul 2024 02:46:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:Wow, 3 years’ worth of incompetence in just 9 months??
Are we still blaming the previous Government for the costs being >>>>>>>racked up by this one?
No, for their own incompetence for 3 years before the last election. >>>>>
Lawrence the word "previous" is a descriptive one meaning before the
current government (in this context).
You did say “no, for their own incompetence” where I said “blaming the >>>previous Government”, did you not?
Irrelevant - you clearly do not understand English syntax.
Did you ever pass those comprehension exercises in school?
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