I said soon after the formation of this Government was announced, thatWe await the pronouncements
Peters would be the most likely one to bring about its collapse.
This bee in his bonnet that he’s got over the grounding of the Aratere is
a case in point. It’s clearly just a rumour that somebody who was supposed >to be on the bridge went off on a “coffee break”. Yet he keeps insisting >that it be investigated as though it were fact.
Notwithstanding that politicians shouldn’t be interfering in accident >investigations, if I were to think of someone I would consider more likelyMore left wing rhetoric. Get a life.
to be right until proven wrong, it would not be Winston Peters.
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 07:21:52 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:And incorrectly. Ministers have every right, indeed an obligation, to request or order accident investigations and to question the accuracy of such. That's what I pay them for amongst other things - what do you pay them for?
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
... politicians shouldn’t be interfering in accident investigations ... >>More left wing rhetoric.
Your attitude to the independence (or not) with which such crucial work >should be undertaken is noted.
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 07:32:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:Maybe, but we are not talking about "meddling", at least I am not. I am talking about ministerial responsibility. You on the other hand may prefer meddling.
Ministers have every right, indeed an obligation, to
request or order accident investigations and to question the accuracy of
such.
Political meddling is a great way to totally destroy the credibility of
any supposedly-independent organization, don’t you think?
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
... politicians shouldn’t be interfering in accident investigations ...
More left wing rhetoric.
Ministers have every right, indeed an obligation, to
request or order accident investigations and to question the accuracy of such.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 07:32:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Ministers have every right, indeed an obligation, to
request or order accident investigations and to question the accuracy
of such.
Political meddling is a great way to totally destroy the credibility
of any supposedly-independent organization, don’t you think?
Maybe, but we are not talking about "meddling", at least I am not. I am talking about ministerial responsibility.
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 08:06:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:So you say, but your lefty slip is showing.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 11 Jul 2024 07:32:29 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Ministers have every right, indeed an obligation, to
request or order accident investigations and to question the accuracy
of such.
Political meddling is a great way to totally destroy the credibility
of any supposedly-independent organization, don’t you think?
Maybe, but we are not talking about "meddling", at least I am not. I am
talking about ministerial responsibility.
Politicians are meddlers. It’s what they do. “Ministerial >responsibility”
means stepping in where questions are raised about the operation of some >body, not to start issuing direct orders as to how the body should
operate, but to make sure there is an independent investigation into those >questions.
So there is an investigation into the grounding of the Aratere. It is not
the responsibility of a Government minister to try to push particular >theories, particularly conspiratorial ones, as to what actually happened.
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