https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/07/one_cm_difference.html
and >https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/unsurprising-but-trump-shooting-creates-opportunity-for-a-surprising-response
and >https://thestandard.org.nz/mountain-tui-trumps-shooting-reveals-a-hidden-danger-for-new-zealand-too/
Certainly there are lessons for New Zealand - it confirms to me that
we need more gun control rather than less; we need more journalism and >reasoned argument and less political spin; we need less influence by
money and more reasoned argument in our political discourse.
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 13:30:38 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/07/one_cm_difference.html
and >>https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/unsurprising-but-trump-shooting-creates-opportunity-for-a-surprising-response
and >>https://thestandard.org.nz/mountain-tui-trumps-shooting-reveals-a-hidden-danger-for-new-zealand-too/
Certainly there are lessons for New Zealand - it confirms to me that
we need more gun control rather than less; we need more journalism and >>reasoned argument and less political spin; we need less influence by
money and more reasoned argument in our political discourse.
I disagree entirely - it is the USA that can learn from us. How many
PMs and political candidates have been assassinated or shot at here
compared to there?
Our political system and theirs is quite different and while there is
always something to be learned there is no justification for us to
change anything.
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 13:30:38 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/07/one_cm_difference.html
and >>https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/unsurprising-but-trump-shooting-creates-opportunity-for-a-surprising-response
and >>https://thestandard.org.nz/mountain-tui-trumps-shooting-reveals-a-hidden-danger-for-new-zealand-too/
Certainly there are lessons for New Zealand - it confirms to me that
we need more gun control rather than less; we need more journalism and >>reasoned argument and less political spin; we need less influence by
money and more reasoned argument in our political discourse.
I disagree entirely - it is the USA that can learn from us. How many
PMs and political candidates have been assassinated or shot at here
compared to there?
Our political system and theirs is quite different and while there is
always something to be learned there is no justification for us to
change anything.
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 15:26:54 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>Amost any rifle with more power than .22 could have been used at that range. Are you suggesting that those rifles be banned here?
wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 13:30:38 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/07/one_cm_difference.html
and >>>https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/unsurprising-but-trump-shooting-creates-opportunity-for-a-surprising-response
and >>>https://thestandard.org.nz/mountain-tui-trumps-shooting-reveals-a-hidden-danger-for-new-zealand-too/
Certainly there are lessons for New Zealand - it confirms to me that
we need more gun control rather than less; we need more journalism and >>>reasoned argument and less political spin; we need less influence by >>>money and more reasoned argument in our political discourse.
I disagree entirely - it is the USA that can learn from us. How many
PMs and political candidates have been assassinated or shot at here >>compared to there?
Our political system and theirs is quite different and while there is >>always something to be learned there is no justification for us to
change anything.
This group is however nz.general - I do not disagree that the USA
could learn from us, but New Zealanders are not, with a few
exceptions, able to influence attitudes and actions in the USA. That
the shooter was aged 20 and had obtained the rifle and ammunition
legally could possibly have happened here - I suggest that this is
generally undesirable without there being good reason to believe a
rifle will not be so used here.
Do you disagree?WHat are you suggesting? Sounds a bit like controlling what people say, is that it?
Our current and past governments have seen the need to make many
changes; the incident in the USA is an example of what can go wrong
when division becomes too extreme, when individuals resort to extreme >measures, and when mis-information and dis-information creates
divisions that are greater than they need be. We need to make changes
to avoid that division, and the incidents that can result from extreme >division such as the attempted shooting of Trump.
On 2024-07-15, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 13:30:38 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>Certainly not to tell the other country how to run itself. How about we just >focus on sorting out the issuses we have in NZ. That will take awhile.
wrote:
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/07/one_cm_difference.html
and >>>https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/unsurprising-but-trump-shooting-creates-opportunity-for-a-surprising-response
and >>>https://thestandard.org.nz/mountain-tui-trumps-shooting-reveals-a-hidden-danger-for-new-zealand-too/
Certainly there are lessons for New Zealand - it confirms to me that
we need more gun control rather than less; we need more journalism and >>>reasoned argument and less political spin; we need less influence by >>>money and more reasoned argument in our political discourse.
I disagree entirely - it is the USA that can learn from us. How many
PMs and political candidates have been assassinated or shot at here
compared to there?
Our political system and theirs is quite different and while there is
always something to be learned there is no justification for us to
change anything.
Let us not meddle in other countries affairs.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No I was not suggesting that. Do you have any suggestions to
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 15:26:54 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:Amost any rifle with more power than .22 could have been used at that range. >Are you suggesting that those rifles be banned here?
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 13:30:38 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/07/one_cm_difference.html
and >>>>https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/unsurprising-but-trump-shooting-creates-opportunity-for-a-surprising-response
and >>>>https://thestandard.org.nz/mountain-tui-trumps-shooting-reveals-a-hidden-danger-for-new-zealand-too/
Certainly there are lessons for New Zealand - it confirms to me that
we need more gun control rather than less; we need more journalism and >>>>reasoned argument and less political spin; we need less influence by >>>>money and more reasoned argument in our political discourse.
I disagree entirely - it is the USA that can learn from us. How many
PMs and political candidates have been assassinated or shot at here >>>compared to there?
Our political system and theirs is quite different and while there is >>>always something to be learned there is no justification for us to
change anything.
This group is however nz.general - I do not disagree that the USA
could learn from us, but New Zealanders are not, with a few
exceptions, able to influence attitudes and actions in the USA. That
the shooter was aged 20 and had obtained the rifle and ammunition
legally could possibly have happened here - I suggest that this is >>generally undesirable without there being good reason to believe a
rifle will not be so used here.
No, I was not proposing controlling what people say.Do you disagree?WHat are you suggesting? Sounds a bit like controlling what people say, is that
Our current and past governments have seen the need to make many
changes; the incident in the USA is an example of what can go wrong
when division becomes too extreme, when individuals resort to extreme >>measures, and when mis-information and dis-information creates
divisions that are greater than they need be. We need to make changes
to avoid that division, and the incidents that can result from extreme >>division such as the attempted shooting of Trump.
it?
Generally, we have no reason to take this action in the USA and make changes >based on it here. It would be a knee jerk overreaction.
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 06:47:55 -0000 (UTC), TonyIt is your thread, do you?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No I was not suggesting that. Do you have any suggestions to
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 15:26:54 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:Amost any rifle with more power than .22 could have been used at that range. >>Are you suggesting that those rifles be banned here?
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 13:30:38 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/07/one_cm_difference.html
and >>>>>https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/unsurprising-but-trump-shooting-creates-opportunity-for-a-surprising-response
and >>>>>https://thestandard.org.nz/mountain-tui-trumps-shooting-reveals-a-hidden-danger-for-new-zealand-too/
Certainly there are lessons for New Zealand - it confirms to me that >>>>>we need more gun control rather than less; we need more journalism and >>>>>reasoned argument and less political spin; we need less influence by >>>>>money and more reasoned argument in our political discourse.
I disagree entirely - it is the USA that can learn from us. How many >>>>PMs and political candidates have been assassinated or shot at here >>>>compared to there?
Our political system and theirs is quite different and while there is >>>>always something to be learned there is no justification for us to >>>>change anything.
This group is however nz.general - I do not disagree that the USA
could learn from us, but New Zealanders are not, with a few
exceptions, able to influence attitudes and actions in the USA. That
the shooter was aged 20 and had obtained the rifle and ammunition
legally could possibly have happened here - I suggest that this is >>>generally undesirable without there being good reason to believe a
rifle will not be so used here.
minimise the risk of a person making an attempt to shoot a politician
here in New Zealand?
Maybe you should be clearer in your choice of words.No, I was not proposing controlling what people say.Do you disagree?WHat are you suggesting? Sounds a bit like controlling what people say, is >>that
Our current and past governments have seen the need to make many
changes; the incident in the USA is an example of what can go wrong
when division becomes too extreme, when individuals resort to extreme >>>measures, and when mis-information and dis-information creates
divisions that are greater than they need be. We need to make changes
to avoid that division, and the incidents that can result from extreme >>>division such as the attempted shooting of Trump.
it?
So do tell, what are you reconmmending?Generally, we have no reason to take this action in the USA and make changes >>based on it here. It would be a knee jerk overreaction.
What action are you referring to, Tony? I had not suggested any
specific actions, but it is desirable that we find ways to seek
agreement without getting to the stage that some resort to such
extreme actions for whatever reason.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 15:26:54 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:Amost any rifle with more power than .22 could have been used at that range. >Are you suggesting that those rifles be banned here?
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 13:30:38 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/07/one_cm_difference.html
and >>>>https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/unsurprising-but-trump-shooting-creates-opportunity-for-a-surprising-response
and >>>>https://thestandard.org.nz/mountain-tui-trumps-shooting-reveals-a-hidden-danger-for-new-zealand-too/
Certainly there are lessons for New Zealand - it confirms to me that
we need more gun control rather than less; we need more journalism and >>>>reasoned argument and less political spin; we need less influence by >>>>money and more reasoned argument in our political discourse.
I disagree entirely - it is the USA that can learn from us. How many
PMs and political candidates have been assassinated or shot at here >>>compared to there?
Our political system and theirs is quite different and while there is >>>always something to be learned there is no justification for us to
change anything.
This group is however nz.general - I do not disagree that the USA
could learn from us, but New Zealanders are not, with a few
exceptions, able to influence attitudes and actions in the USA. That
the shooter was aged 20 and had obtained the rifle and ammunition
legally could possibly have happened here - I suggest that this is >>generally undesirable without there being good reason to believe a
rifle will not be so used here.
Do you disagree?WHat are you suggesting? Sounds a bit like controlling what people say, is that
Our current and past governments have seen the need to make many
changes; the incident in the USA is an example of what can go wrong
when division becomes too extreme, when individuals resort to extreme >>measures, and when mis-information and dis-information creates
divisions that are greater than they need be. We need to make changes
to avoid that division, and the incidents that can result from extreme >>division such as the attempted shooting of Trump.
it?
Generally, we have no reason to take this action in the USA and make changes >based on it here. It would be a knee jerk overreaction.
Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:That could be correct. His blind commitment to party dogma is legendary.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 15:26:54 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:Amost any rifle with more power than .22 could have been used at that range. >>Are you suggesting that those rifles be banned here?
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 13:30:38 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/07/one_cm_difference.html
and >>>>>https://www.pundit.co.nz/content/unsurprising-but-trump-shooting-creates-opportunity-for-a-surprising-response
and >>>>>https://thestandard.org.nz/mountain-tui-trumps-shooting-reveals-a-hidden-danger-for-new-zealand-too/
Certainly there are lessons for New Zealand - it confirms to me that >>>>>we need more gun control rather than less; we need more journalism and >>>>>reasoned argument and less political spin; we need less influence by >>>>>money and more reasoned argument in our political discourse.
I disagree entirely - it is the USA that can learn from us. How many >>>>PMs and political candidates have been assassinated or shot at here >>>>compared to there?
Our political system and theirs is quite different and while there is >>>>always something to be learned there is no justification for us to >>>>change anything.
This group is however nz.general - I do not disagree that the USA
could learn from us, but New Zealanders are not, with a few
exceptions, able to influence attitudes and actions in the USA. That
the shooter was aged 20 and had obtained the rifle and ammunition
legally could possibly have happened here - I suggest that this is >>>generally undesirable without there being good reason to believe a
rifle will not be so used here.
Do you disagree?WHat are you suggesting? Sounds a bit like controlling what people say, is >>that
Our current and past governments have seen the need to make many
changes; the incident in the USA is an example of what can go wrong
when division becomes too extreme, when individuals resort to extreme >>>measures, and when mis-information and dis-information creates
divisions that are greater than they need be. We need to make changes
to avoid that division, and the incidents that can result from extreme >>>division such as the attempted shooting of Trump.
it?
Generally, we have no reason to take this action in the USA and make changes >>based on it here. It would be a knee jerk overreaction.
He wants all guns banned here so that there can't be an armed revolt
next time his marxist parties get in..
Certainly there are lessons for New Zealand - it confirms to me that
we need more gun control rather than less; we need more journalism and >reasoned argument and less political spin; we need less influence by
money and more reasoned argument in our political discourse.
Amost any rifle with more power than .22 could have been used at that
range.
...
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 06:47:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Amost any rifle with more power than .22 could have been used at that
range.
Makes you wonder how he was allowed to get within that range, doesn’t it? No.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jul 2024 06:47:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
Amost any rifle with more power than .22 could have been used at that
range.
Makes you wonder how he was allowed to get within that range, doesn’t
it?
No.
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