• Sad case of buyer beware

    From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 19 10:39:32 2024
    This is a case where those that signed up for an Occupational Right
    Agreement (ORA) at a retirement village were reportedly promised
    construction of communal facilities (including hospital care
    facilities) in the future.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/issues-at-whangarei-retirement-village-highlighted-in-push-for-law-reform/S3MMKUCSMRDRTH74BRLWOI4UL4/

    There is no law change needed. The promises were all verbal so are
    difficult to prove, but potentially Summerset mislead or made
    inaccurate claims about when facilities were built, and ORA buyers are
    upset it the building project is delayed. Not mentioned is that fact
    that residents can leave the village, although there are usually
    substantial financial costs to resell ORAs.

    The moral of this story is that when considering signing an ORA,
    promises in respect of facilities not yet built need to be included in
    the ORA. This way the village owner (including the new one if
    ownership changes) has a contractual obligation. If the ORA
    salesperson makes a promise about future facilities to be built then
    if they will not put that promise into the agreement it is worthless
    so don't sign up.

    ORA buyers should also always consult a lawyer about it before
    signing, just as you should with any purchase of real estate.

    If you don't do this, don't expect the government to bail you out if
    it all turns to custard.


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    Crash McBash

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 19 14:51:28 2024
    On Fri, 19 Jul 2024 10:39:32 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    This is a case where those that signed up for an Occupational Right
    Agreement (ORA) at a retirement village were reportedly promised
    construction of communal facilities (including hospital care
    facilities) in the future.

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/issues-at-whangarei-retirement-village-highlighted-in-push-for-law-reform/S3MMKUCSMRDRTH74BRLWOI4UL4/

    There is no law change needed. The promises were all verbal so are
    difficult to prove, but potentially Summerset mislead or made
    inaccurate claims about when facilities were built, and ORA buyers are
    upset it the building project is delayed. Not mentioned is that fact
    that residents can leave the village, although there are usually
    substantial financial costs to resell ORAs.

    The moral of this story is that when considering signing an ORA,
    promises in respect of facilities not yet built need to be included in
    the ORA. This way the village owner (including the new one if
    ownership changes) has a contractual obligation. If the ORA
    salesperson makes a promise about future facilities to be built then
    if they will not put that promise into the agreement it is worthless
    so don't sign up.

    ORA buyers should also always consult a lawyer about it before
    signing, just as you should with any purchase of real estate.

    If you don't do this, don't expect the government to bail you out if
    it all turns to custard.

    I agree, Crash. I was not able to read the article in full due to the
    paywall, but I have heard similar concerns about retirement village
    operators before.

    See also: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/510176/summerset-posts-strong-lift-in-profit#:~:text=Retirement%20village%20operator%20Summerset%20posted,%24436.3m%20vs%20%24269.1m

    Not all retirement home companies have done as well: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/business/509954/metlifecare-reports-first-half-loss

    but the key is how they valued their agreements.

    Some have found it harder to attract purchasers recently as prices for
    houses that they compete with (smaller homes close to services) have
    dropped in many places, and they have found that their costs for
    building have increased, and in some cases they have found that
    residents may be living a little longer - they rely on good turnover
    and in part due to the Covid response the average lifetime in their
    properties was increasing.

    Hospital care facilities are particularly difficult due to
    difficulties in finding staff, and the cost of the construction.

    Your advice to those thinking of moving to such a village is spot on.

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