• Re: Germany agrees that Covid was not a pandemic.

    From Gordon@21:1/5 to Tony on Tue Jul 23 03:48:13 2024
    On 2024-07-23, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    It was an organised deliberate attack on the population of the planet according
    to the German government.
    Now who will attack the authors and not address the considerable content? https://www.globalresearch.ca/german-government-admits-there-was-no-pandemic/5853916

    " .... to admit that so-called “conspiracy theorists” were right about everything during the Covid
    pandemic." Yes!

    No, it will not appear in Stuff for all sorts of reasons.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 23 03:29:24 2024
    XPost: nz.politics

    It was an organised deliberate attack on the population of the planet according to the German government.
    Now who will attack the authors and not address the considerable content? https://www.globalresearch.ca/german-government-admits-there-was-no-pandemic/5853916

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Jul 23 05:01:08 2024
    On 2024-07-23, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:29:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It was an organised deliberate attack on the population of the planet according
    to the German government.
    Now who will attack the authors and not address the considerable content? >>https://www.globalresearch.ca/german-government-admits-there-was-no-pandemic/5853916

    I'm not attacking the authors, - just trying to see the evidence.

    https://my.hidrive.com/share/2-hpbu3.3u#$/

    It is in German and redaction applies.

    357MB





    The article said:
    "The secret government documents – all 2,000 pages of them – reveal
    that we were right about nearly everything and the so-called
    “pandemic” was all fraud. "

    That sounds very interesting, but on reading further and following
    some links, it appears that none of those pages are available for
    review, even on other sites referred to.

    and later the page it said:

    "The data also reveals that Sweden, which was the only European
    country free of masks and lockdowns, performed much better than
    Germany. Which raises the question, what were the tyrannical lockdowns
    and mandates really about?

    Professor Homburg has the answer – and as it turns out, we were right
    all along."

    But still we cannot see this evidence - and who "we" are is not clear
    . . .

    What we do know is that New Zealand Covid experience showed
    significantly fewer deaths as a percentage of deaths based on
    pre-Covid rates than Sweden. But people here claimed that New Zealand
    had more lockdowns than Sweden - why then were our deaths lower than Sweden's?

    Perhaps you have other sources of information Tony - are you able to
    help with this one?

    From that page I found this: https://www.globalresearch.ca/excess-deaths-pandemic-response/5863267?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles

    Again, New Zealand experience seems to be at odds with what they are inferring - we had demonstrably lower deaths with higher vaccine
    takeup.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Tue Jul 23 16:16:01 2024
    On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:29:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It was an organised deliberate attack on the population of the planet according
    to the German government.
    Now who will attack the authors and not address the considerable content? >https://www.globalresearch.ca/german-government-admits-there-was-no-pandemic/5853916

    I'm not attacking the authors, - just trying to see the evidence.

    The article said:
    "The secret government documents all 2,000 pages of them reveal
    that we were right about nearly everything and the so-called
    pandemic was all fraud. "

    That sounds very interesting, but on reading further and following
    some links, it appears that none of those pages are available for
    review, even on other sites referred to.

    and later the page it said:

    "The data also reveals that Sweden, which was the only European
    country free of masks and lockdowns, performed much better than
    Germany. Which raises the question, what were the tyrannical lockdowns
    and mandates really about?

    Professor Homburg has the answer and as it turns out, we were right
    all along."

    But still we cannot see this evidence - and who "we" are is not clear
    . . .

    What we do know is that New Zealand Covid experience showed
    significantly fewer deaths as a percentage of deaths based on
    pre-Covid rates than Sweden. But people here claimed that New Zealand
    had more lockdowns than Sweden - why then were our deaths lower than
    Sweden's?

    Perhaps you have other sources of information Tony - are you able to
    help with this one?

    From that page I found this: https://www.globalresearch.ca/excess-deaths-pandemic-response/5863267?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles

    Again, New Zealand experience seems to be at odds with what they are
    inferring - we had demonstrably lower deaths with higher vaccine
    takeup.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Gordon on Tue Jul 23 05:25:54 2024
    On 2024-07-23, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-07-23, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:29:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It was an organised deliberate attack on the population of the planet according
    to the German government.
    Now who will attack the authors and not address the considerable content? >>>https://www.globalresearch.ca/german-government-admits-there-was-no-pandemic/5853916

    I'm not attacking the authors, - just trying to see the evidence.

    https://my.hidrive.com/share/2-hpbu3.3u#$/

    It is in German and redaction applies.

    357MB

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB8DHr-ofFc

    Steven Homburg dubbed in English. 9:24 mins

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/excess-deaths-pandemic-response/5863267

    This one is for Willy and Rich, along with other interested people

    “We conclude that nothing special would have occurred in terms of
    mortality had a pandemic not been declared and had the declaration not
    been acted upon,” the authors of the study wrote."



    The article said:
    "The secret government documents – all 2,000 pages of them – reveal
    that we were right about nearly everything and the so-called
    “pandemic” was all fraud. "

    That sounds very interesting, but on reading further and following
    some links, it appears that none of those pages are available for
    review, even on other sites referred to.

    and later the page it said:

    "The data also reveals that Sweden, which was the only European
    country free of masks and lockdowns, performed much better than
    Germany. Which raises the question, what were the tyrannical lockdowns
    and mandates really about?

    Professor Homburg has the answer – and as it turns out, we were right
    all along."

    But still we cannot see this evidence - and who "we" are is not clear
    . . .

    What we do know is that New Zealand Covid experience showed
    significantly fewer deaths as a percentage of deaths based on
    pre-Covid rates than Sweden. But people here claimed that New Zealand
    had more lockdowns than Sweden - why then were our deaths lower than
    Sweden's?

    Perhaps you have other sources of information Tony - are you able to
    help with this one?

    From that page I found this:
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/excess-deaths-pandemic-response/5863267?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles

    Again, New Zealand experience seems to be at odds with what they are
    inferring - we had demonstrably lower deaths with higher vaccine
    takeup.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Jul 23 07:01:24 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:29:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It was an organised deliberate attack on the population of the planet >>according
    to the German government.
    Now who will attack the authors and not address the considerable content? >>https://www.globalresearch.ca/german-government-admits-there-was-no-pandemic/5853916

    I'm not attacking the authors, - just trying to see the evidence.
    Do you believe the German government? Yes or no. Do tell.

    The article said:
    "The secret government documents all 2,000 pages of them reveal
    that we were right about nearly everything and the so-called
    pandemic was all fraud. "

    That sounds very interesting, but on reading further and following
    some links, it appears that none of those pages are available for
    review, even on other sites referred to.

    and later the page it said:

    "The data also reveals that Sweden, which was the only European
    country free of masks and lockdowns, performed much better than
    Germany. Which raises the question, what were the tyrannical lockdowns
    and mandates really about?

    Professor Homburg has the answer and as it turns out, we were right
    all along."

    But still we cannot see this evidence - and who "we" are is not clear
    . . .

    What we do know is that New Zealand Covid experience showed
    significantly fewer deaths as a percentage of deaths based on
    pre-Covid rates than Sweden. But people here claimed that New Zealand
    had more lockdowns than Sweden - why then were our deaths lower than >Sweden's?

    Perhaps you have other sources of information Tony - are you able to
    help with this one?

    From that page I found this: >https://www.globalresearch.ca/excess-deaths-pandemic-response/5863267?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles

    Again, New Zealand experience seems to be at odds with what they are >inferring - we had demonstrably lower deaths with higher vaccine
    takeup.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Wed Jul 24 18:29:33 2024
    On 23 Jul 2024 05:01:08 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2024-07-23, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:29:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It was an organised deliberate attack on the population of the planet according
    to the German government.
    Now who will attack the authors and not address the considerable content? >>>https://www.globalresearch.ca/german-government-admits-there-was-no-pandemic/5853916

    I'm not attacking the authors, - just trying to see the evidence.

    https://my.hidrive.com/share/2-hpbu3.3u#$/

    It is in German and redaction applies.

    357MB

    Thanks Gordon, I could in theory put it all through a translator but
    there does not seem to be any specific statement from the German
    government that says that they believe that Covid was not a pandemic -
    it appears that some information (not specified) is being interpreted
    by the author of an article on the "globalresearch" website - a
    website that appears to disseminate a wide range of views on a large
    number of topics, without however much justification for those views,
    some of which appear to be contrary to those views held by for example
    most citizens of Canada where they appear to be based.

    While it addresses misinformation as an issue, the site itself
    appears to fit many of the symptoms of such websites - assertions
    without clear support by facts being just one of those symptoms.

    At best I would say caution should be used in believing any article
    from that site - others may view it differently



    The article said:
    "The secret government documents ? all 2,000 pages of them ? reveal
    that we were right about nearly everything and the so-called
    ?pandemic? was all fraud. "

    That sounds very interesting, but on reading further and following
    some links, it appears that none of those pages are available for
    review, even on other sites referred to.

    and later the page it said:

    "The data also reveals that Sweden, which was the only European
    country free of masks and lockdowns, performed much better than
    Germany. Which raises the question, what were the tyrannical lockdowns
    and mandates really about?

    Professor Homburg has the answer ? and as it turns out, we were right
    all along."

    But still we cannot see this evidence - and who "we" are is not clear
    . . .

    What we do know is that New Zealand Covid experience showed
    significantly fewer deaths as a percentage of deaths based on
    pre-Covid rates than Sweden. But people here claimed that New Zealand
    had more lockdowns than Sweden - why then were our deaths lower than
    Sweden's?

    Perhaps you have other sources of information Tony - are you able to
    help with this one?

    From that page I found this:
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/excess-deaths-pandemic-response/5863267?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles

    Again, New Zealand experience seems to be at odds with what they are
    inferring - we had demonstrably lower deaths with higher vaccine
    takeup.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed Jul 24 07:25:11 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 23 Jul 2024 05:01:08 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2024-07-23, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:29:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It was an organised deliberate attack on the population of the planet >>>>according
    to the German government.
    Now who will attack the authors and not address the considerable content? >>>>https://www.globalresearch.ca/german-government-admits-there-was-no-pandemic/5853916

    I'm not attacking the authors, - just trying to see the evidence.

    https://my.hidrive.com/share/2-hpbu3.3u#$/

    It is in German and redaction applies.

    357MB

    Thanks Gordon, I could in theory put it all through a translator but
    there does not seem to be any specific statement from the German
    government that says that they believe that Covid was not a pandemic -
    it appears that some information (not specified) is being interpreted
    by the author of an article on the "globalresearch" website - a
    website that appears to disseminate a wide range of views on a large
    number of topics, without however much justification for those views,
    some of which appear to be contrary to those views held by for example
    most citizens of Canada where they appear to be based.

    While it addresses misinformation as an issue, the site itself
    appears to fit many of the symptoms of such websites - assertions
    without clear support by facts being just one of those symptoms.

    At best I would say caution should be used in believing any article
    from that site - others may view it differently
    Only honest people will do that.



    The article said:
    "The secret government documents ? all 2,000 pages of them ? reveal
    that we were right about nearly everything and the so-called
    ?pandemic? was all fraud. "

    That sounds very interesting, but on reading further and following
    some links, it appears that none of those pages are available for
    review, even on other sites referred to.

    and later the page it said:

    "The data also reveals that Sweden, which was the only European
    country free of masks and lockdowns, performed much better than
    Germany. Which raises the question, what were the tyrannical lockdowns
    and mandates really about?

    Professor Homburg has the answer ? and as it turns out, we were right
    all along."

    But still we cannot see this evidence - and who "we" are is not clear
    . . .

    What we do know is that New Zealand Covid experience showed
    significantly fewer deaths as a percentage of deaths based on
    pre-Covid rates than Sweden. But people here claimed that New Zealand
    had more lockdowns than Sweden - why then were our deaths lower than
    Sweden's?

    Perhaps you have other sources of information Tony - are you able to
    help with this one?

    From that page I found this:
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/excess-deaths-pandemic-response/5863267?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles

    Again, New Zealand experience seems to be at odds with what they are
    inferring - we had demonstrably lower deaths with higher vaccine
    takeup.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Tony on Wed Jul 24 07:26:30 2024
    Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 23 Jul 2024 05:01:08 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2024-07-23, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:29:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It was an organised deliberate attack on the population of the planet >>>>>according
    to the German government.
    Now who will attack the authors and not address the considerable content? >>>>>https://www.globalresearch.ca/german-government-admits-there-was-no-pandemic/5853916

    I'm not attacking the authors, - just trying to see the evidence.

    https://my.hidrive.com/share/2-hpbu3.3u#$/

    It is in German and redaction applies.

    357MB

    Thanks Gordon, I could in theory put it all through a translator but
    there does not seem to be any specific statement from the German
    government that says that they believe that Covid was not a pandemic -
    it appears that some information (not specified) is being interpreted
    by the author of an article on the "globalresearch" website - a
    website that appears to disseminate a wide range of views on a large
    number of topics, without however much justification for those views,
    some of which appear to be contrary to those views held by for example
    most citizens of Canada where they appear to be based.

    While it addresses misinformation as an issue, the site itself
    appears to fit many of the symptoms of such websites - assertions
    without clear support by facts being just one of those symptoms.

    At best I would say caution should be used in believing any article
    from that site - others may view it differently
    Only honest people will do that.
    View it differently of course!



    The article said:
    "The secret government documents ? all 2,000 pages of them ? reveal
    that we were right about nearly everything and the so-called
    ?pandemic? was all fraud. "

    That sounds very interesting, but on reading further and following
    some links, it appears that none of those pages are available for
    review, even on other sites referred to.

    and later the page it said:

    "The data also reveals that Sweden, which was the only European
    country free of masks and lockdowns, performed much better than
    Germany. Which raises the question, what were the tyrannical lockdowns >>>> and mandates really about?

    Professor Homburg has the answer ? and as it turns out, we were right
    all along."

    But still we cannot see this evidence - and who "we" are is not clear
    . . .

    What we do know is that New Zealand Covid experience showed
    significantly fewer deaths as a percentage of deaths based on
    pre-Covid rates than Sweden. But people here claimed that New Zealand
    had more lockdowns than Sweden - why then were our deaths lower than
    Sweden's?

    Perhaps you have other sources of information Tony - are you able to
    help with this one?

    From that page I found this:
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/excess-deaths-pandemic-response/5863267?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles

    Again, New Zealand experience seems to be at odds with what they are
    inferring - we had demonstrably lower deaths with higher vaccine
    takeup.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Wed Jul 24 20:32:10 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 07:26:30 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 23 Jul 2024 05:01:08 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2024-07-23, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:29:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It was an organised deliberate attack on the population of the planet >>>>>>according
    to the German government.
    Now who will attack the authors and not address the considerable content? >>>>>>https://www.globalresearch.ca/german-government-admits-there-was-no-pandemic/5853916

    I'm not attacking the authors, - just trying to see the evidence.

    https://my.hidrive.com/share/2-hpbu3.3u#$/

    It is in German and redaction applies.

    357MB

    Thanks Gordon, I could in theory put it all through a translator but >>>there does not seem to be any specific statement from the German >>>government that says that they believe that Covid was not a pandemic -
    it appears that some information (not specified) is being interpreted
    by the author of an article on the "globalresearch" website - a
    website that appears to disseminate a wide range of views on a large >>>number of topics, without however much justification for those views, >>>some of which appear to be contrary to those views held by for example >>>most citizens of Canada where they appear to be based.

    While it addresses misinformation as an issue, the site itself
    appears to fit many of the symptoms of such websites - assertions
    without clear support by facts being just one of those symptoms.

    At best I would say caution should be used in believing any article
    from that site - others may view it differently
    Only honest people will do that.
    View it differently of course!

    There is nothing dishonest in being cautious.
    What is dishonest is implying that those that are cautious of
    accepting assertions without supporting facts are somehow being
    dishonest - and I have not seen any statement from the German
    government that suggests that they "admit there was no pandemic."



    The article said:
    "The secret government documents ? all 2,000 pages of them ? reveal
    that we were right about nearly everything and the so-called
    ?pandemic? was all fraud. "

    That sounds very interesting, but on reading further and following
    some links, it appears that none of those pages are available for
    review, even on other sites referred to.

    and later the page it said:

    "The data also reveals that Sweden, which was the only European
    country free of masks and lockdowns, performed much better than
    Germany. Which raises the question, what were the tyrannical lockdowns >>>>> and mandates really about?

    Professor Homburg has the answer ? and as it turns out, we were right >>>>> all along."

    But still we cannot see this evidence - and who "we" are is not clear >>>>> . . .

    What we do know is that New Zealand Covid experience showed
    significantly fewer deaths as a percentage of deaths based on
    pre-Covid rates than Sweden. But people here claimed that New Zealand >>>>> had more lockdowns than Sweden - why then were our deaths lower than >>>>> Sweden's?

    Perhaps you have other sources of information Tony - are you able to >>>>> help with this one?

    From that page I found this:
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/excess-deaths-pandemic-response/5863267?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles

    Again, New Zealand experience seems to be at odds with what they are >>>>> inferring - we had demonstrably lower deaths with higher vaccine
    takeup.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed Jul 24 20:24:01 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 07:26:30 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 23 Jul 2024 05:01:08 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2024-07-23, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:29:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It was an organised deliberate attack on the population of the planet >>>>>>>according
    to the German government.
    Now who will attack the authors and not address the considerable content?
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/german-government-admits-there-was-no-pandemic/5853916

    I'm not attacking the authors, - just trying to see the evidence.

    https://my.hidrive.com/share/2-hpbu3.3u#$/

    It is in German and redaction applies.

    357MB

    Thanks Gordon, I could in theory put it all through a translator but >>>>there does not seem to be any specific statement from the German >>>>government that says that they believe that Covid was not a pandemic - >>>>it appears that some information (not specified) is being interpreted >>>>by the author of an article on the "globalresearch" website - a >>>>website that appears to disseminate a wide range of views on a large >>>>number of topics, without however much justification for those views, >>>>some of which appear to be contrary to those views held by for example >>>>most citizens of Canada where they appear to be based.

    While it addresses misinformation as an issue, the site itself
    appears to fit many of the symptoms of such websites - assertions >>>>without clear support by facts being just one of those symptoms.

    At best I would say caution should be used in believing any article >>>>from that site - others may view it differently
    Only honest people will do that.
    View it differently of course!

    There is nothing dishonest in being cautious.
    What is dishonest is implying that those that are cautious of
    accepting assertions without supporting facts are somehow being
    dishonest - and I have not seen any statement from the German
    government that suggests that they "admit there was no pandemic."
    Can't you read?



    The article said:
    "The secret government documents ? all 2,000 pages of them ? reveal >>>>>> that we were right about nearly everything and the so-called
    ?pandemic? was all fraud. "

    That sounds very interesting, but on reading further and following >>>>>> some links, it appears that none of those pages are available for
    review, even on other sites referred to.

    and later the page it said:

    "The data also reveals that Sweden, which was the only European
    country free of masks and lockdowns, performed much better than
    Germany. Which raises the question, what were the tyrannical lockdowns >>>>>> and mandates really about?

    Professor Homburg has the answer ? and as it turns out, we were right >>>>>> all along."

    But still we cannot see this evidence - and who "we" are is not clear >>>>>> . . .

    What we do know is that New Zealand Covid experience showed
    significantly fewer deaths as a percentage of deaths based on
    pre-Covid rates than Sweden. But people here claimed that New Zealand >>>>>> had more lockdowns than Sweden - why then were our deaths lower than >>>>>> Sweden's?

    Perhaps you have other sources of information Tony - are you able to >>>>>> help with this one?

    From that page I found this:
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/excess-deaths-pandemic-response/5863267?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles

    Again, New Zealand experience seems to be at odds with what they are >>>>>> inferring - we had demonstrably lower deaths with higher vaccine
    takeup.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Thu Jul 25 12:19:33 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 20:24:01 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 07:26:30 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 23 Jul 2024 05:01:08 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2024-07-23, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:29:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It was an organised deliberate attack on the population of the planet >>>>>>>>according
    to the German government.
    Now who will attack the authors and not address the considerable content?
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/german-government-admits-there-was-no-pandemic/5853916

    I'm not attacking the authors, - just trying to see the evidence. >>>>>>
    https://my.hidrive.com/share/2-hpbu3.3u#$/

    It is in German and redaction applies.

    357MB

    Thanks Gordon, I could in theory put it all through a translator but >>>>>there does not seem to be any specific statement from the German >>>>>government that says that they believe that Covid was not a pandemic - >>>>>it appears that some information (not specified) is being interpreted >>>>>by the author of an article on the "globalresearch" website - a >>>>>website that appears to disseminate a wide range of views on a large >>>>>number of topics, without however much justification for those views, >>>>>some of which appear to be contrary to those views held by for example >>>>>most citizens of Canada where they appear to be based.

    While it addresses misinformation as an issue, the site itself >>>>>appears to fit many of the symptoms of such websites - assertions >>>>>without clear support by facts being just one of those symptoms.

    At best I would say caution should be used in believing any article >>>>>from that site - others may view it differently
    Only honest people will do that.
    View it differently of course!

    There is nothing dishonest in being cautious.
    What is dishonest is implying that those that are cautious of
    accepting assertions without supporting facts are somehow being
    dishonest - and I have not seen any statement from the German
    government that suggests that they "admit there was no pandemic."
    Can't you read?
    Yes - and the statements to that effect on the website referred to
    were not from the German government. Surely you were not misled by
    what appears to be deliberate misrepresentation of the German
    Government, Tony!




    The article said:
    "The secret government documents ? all 2,000 pages of them ? reveal >>>>>>> that we were right about nearly everything and the so-called
    ?pandemic? was all fraud. "

    That sounds very interesting, but on reading further and following >>>>>>> some links, it appears that none of those pages are available for >>>>>>> review, even on other sites referred to.

    and later the page it said:

    "The data also reveals that Sweden, which was the only European
    country free of masks and lockdowns, performed much better than
    Germany. Which raises the question, what were the tyrannical lockdowns >>>>>>> and mandates really about?

    Professor Homburg has the answer ? and as it turns out, we were right >>>>>>> all along."

    But still we cannot see this evidence - and who "we" are is not clear >>>>>>> . . .

    What we do know is that New Zealand Covid experience showed
    significantly fewer deaths as a percentage of deaths based on
    pre-Covid rates than Sweden. But people here claimed that New Zealand >>>>>>> had more lockdowns than Sweden - why then were our deaths lower than >>>>>>> Sweden's?

    Perhaps you have other sources of information Tony - are you able to >>>>>>> help with this one?

    From that page I found this:
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/excess-deaths-pandemic-response/5863267?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles

    Again, New Zealand experience seems to be at odds with what they are >>>>>>> inferring - we had demonstrably lower deaths with higher vaccine >>>>>>> takeup.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Jul 25 01:34:55 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 20:24:01 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 07:26:30 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 23 Jul 2024 05:01:08 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2024-07-23, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 23 Jul 2024 03:29:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It was an organised deliberate attack on the population of the planet >>>>>>>>>according
    to the German government.
    Now who will attack the authors and not address the considerable >>>>>>>>>content? >>>>>>>>>https://www.globalresearch.ca/german-government-admits-there-was-no-pandemic/5853916

    I'm not attacking the authors, - just trying to see the evidence. >>>>>>>
    https://my.hidrive.com/share/2-hpbu3.3u#$/

    It is in German and redaction applies.

    357MB

    Thanks Gordon, I could in theory put it all through a translator but >>>>>>there does not seem to be any specific statement from the German >>>>>>government that says that they believe that Covid was not a pandemic - >>>>>>it appears that some information (not specified) is being interpreted >>>>>>by the author of an article on the "globalresearch" website - a >>>>>>website that appears to disseminate a wide range of views on a large >>>>>>number of topics, without however much justification for those views, >>>>>>some of which appear to be contrary to those views held by for example >>>>>>most citizens of Canada where they appear to be based.

    While it addresses misinformation as an issue, the site itself >>>>>>appears to fit many of the symptoms of such websites - assertions >>>>>>without clear support by facts being just one of those symptoms.

    At best I would say caution should be used in believing any article >>>>>>from that site - others may view it differently
    Only honest people will do that.
    View it differently of course!

    There is nothing dishonest in being cautious.
    What is dishonest is implying that those that are cautious of
    accepting assertions without supporting facts are somehow being
    dishonest - and I have not seen any statement from the German
    government that suggests that they "admit there was no pandemic."
    Can't you read?
    Yes - and the statements to that effect on the website referred to
    were not from the German government. Surely you were not misled by
    what appears to be deliberate misrepresentation of the German
    Government, Tony!
    No because there is no such thing.
    You are believeing what you want to believe, as do all biased people.




    The article said:
    "The secret government documents ? all 2,000 pages of them ? reveal >>>>>>>> that we were right about nearly everything and the so-called
    ?pandemic? was all fraud. "

    That sounds very interesting, but on reading further and following >>>>>>>> some links, it appears that none of those pages are available for >>>>>>>> review, even on other sites referred to.

    and later the page it said:

    "The data also reveals that Sweden, which was the only European >>>>>>>> country free of masks and lockdowns, performed much better than >>>>>>>> Germany. Which raises the question, what were the tyrannical lockdowns >>>>>>>> and mandates really about?

    Professor Homburg has the answer ? and as it turns out, we were right >>>>>>>> all along."

    But still we cannot see this evidence - and who "we" are is not clear >>>>>>>> . . .

    What we do know is that New Zealand Covid experience showed
    significantly fewer deaths as a percentage of deaths based on
    pre-Covid rates than Sweden. But people here claimed that New Zealand >>>>>>>> had more lockdowns than Sweden - why then were our deaths lower than >>>>>>>> Sweden's?

    Perhaps you have other sources of information Tony - are you able to >>>>>>>> help with this one?

    From that page I found this:
    https://www.globalresearch.ca/excess-deaths-pandemic-response/5863267?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles

    Again, New Zealand experience seems to be at odds with what they are >>>>>>>> inferring - we had demonstrably lower deaths with higher vaccine >>>>>>>> takeup.

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