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  • An education for Chris Penk

    From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 24 22:25:18 2024
    One of the good things that sometimes happen is that it is possible to
    follow a story through successive related articles - see: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522288/government-considers-rolling-back-insulation-standards
    then https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522414/dismay-at-plan-to-revert-to-less-strict-insulation-standards
    then https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home
    and now today: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home

    Hopefully there will be a further article tomorrow following a
    statement from the Minister that he will not be proceeding with the
    reversal of good standards relating to housing insulation . . .

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  • From BR@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 25 05:29:43 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:25:18 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    One of the good things that sometimes happen is that it is possible to
    follow a story through successive related articles - see: >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522288/government-considers-rolling-back-insulation-standards
    then >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522414/dismay-at-plan-to-revert-to-less-strict-insulation-standards
    then >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home
    and now today: >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home

    Hopefully there will be a further article tomorrow following a
    statement from the Minister that he will not be proceeding with the
    reversal of good standards relating to housing insulation . . .

    My own house doesn't comply.

    If I had to go away for a long time, I would sooner leave it empty
    than spend oney that does not need spending.

    Bill.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to blah@blah.blah on Wed Jul 24 20:25:02 2024
    BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:25:18 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    One of the good things that sometimes happen is that it is possible to >>follow a story through successive related articles - see: >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522288/government-considers-rolling-back-insulation-standards
    then >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522414/dismay-at-plan-to-revert-to-less-strict-insulation-standards
    then >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home
    and now today: >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home

    Hopefully there will be a further article tomorrow following a
    statement from the Minister that he will not be proceeding with the >>reversal of good standards relating to housing insulation . . .

    My own house doesn't comply.

    If I had to go away for a long time, I would sooner leave it empty
    than spend oney that does not need spending.

    Bill.

    Yes that is exactly the point.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Thu Jul 25 12:29:52 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 20:25:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:25:18 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:

    One of the good things that sometimes happen is that it is possible to >>>follow a story through successive related articles - see: >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522288/government-considers-rolling-back-insulation-standards
    then >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522414/dismay-at-plan-to-revert-to-less-strict-insulation-standards
    then >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home
    and now today: >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home

    Hopefully there will be a further article tomorrow following a
    statement from the Minister that he will not be proceeding with the >>>reversal of good standards relating to housing insulation . . .

    My own house doesn't comply.

    If I had to go away for a long time, I would sooner leave it empty
    than spend oney that does not need spending.

    Bill.

    Yes that is exactly the point.

    No it is not. The articles were on the impact on standards for new
    homes, and possibly also homes being made available for rent. I have
    seen houses that have been condemned and owners forced to move, but I
    suspect the houses that Bill and you Tony live in are not in that
    category. Should Bill wish to rent his house he may need to make
    changes to comply with the law, but it is possible that provided it is
    not used for commercial income it does not need that additional work.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Jul 25 01:31:06 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 20:25:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:25:18 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:

    One of the good things that sometimes happen is that it is possible to >>>>follow a story through successive related articles - see: >>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522288/government-considers-rolling-back-insulation-standards
    then >>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522414/dismay-at-plan-to-revert-to-less-strict-insulation-standards
    then >>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home
    and now today: >>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home

    Hopefully there will be a further article tomorrow following a >>>>statement from the Minister that he will not be proceeding with the >>>>reversal of good standards relating to housing insulation . . .

    My own house doesn't comply.

    If I had to go away for a long time, I would sooner leave it empty
    than spend oney that does not need spending.

    Bill.

    Yes that is exactly the point.

    No it is not. The articles were on the impact on standards for new
    homes, and possibly also homes being made available for rent. I have
    seen houses that have been condemned and owners forced to move, but I
    suspect the houses that Bill and you Tony live in are not in that
    category. Should Bill wish to rent his house he may need to make
    changes to comply with the law, but it is possible that provided it is
    not used for commercial income it does not need that additional work.
    Nope, you are deliberately missing the point.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Thu Jul 25 16:01:26 2024
    On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 01:31:06 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 20:25:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:25:18 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:

    One of the good things that sometimes happen is that it is possible to >>>>>follow a story through successive related articles - see: >>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522288/government-considers-rolling-back-insulation-standards
    then >>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522414/dismay-at-plan-to-revert-to-less-strict-insulation-standards
    then >>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home
    and now today: >>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home

    Hopefully there will be a further article tomorrow following a >>>>>statement from the Minister that he will not be proceeding with the >>>>>reversal of good standards relating to housing insulation . . .

    My own house doesn't comply.

    If I had to go away for a long time, I would sooner leave it empty
    than spend oney that does not need spending.

    Bill.

    Yes that is exactly the point.

    No it is not. The articles were on the impact on standards for new
    homes, and possibly also homes being made available for rent. I have
    seen houses that have been condemned and owners forced to move, but I >>suspect the houses that Bill and you Tony live in are not in that
    category. Should Bill wish to rent his house he may need to make
    changes to comply with the law, but it is possible that provided it is
    not used for commercial income it does not need that additional work.
    Nope, you are deliberately missing the point.

    That would be you, Tony, getting off topic again. It is all there in
    the Subject: - An Education for Chris Penk - that you apparently need
    an education as well is Off Topic, Tony.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Jul 25 06:30:10 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 01:31:06 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 20:25:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:25:18 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:

    One of the good things that sometimes happen is that it is possible to >>>>>>follow a story through successive related articles - see: >>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522288/government-considers-rolling-back-insulation-standards
    then >>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522414/dismay-at-plan-to-revert-to-less-strict-insulation-standards
    then >>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home
    and now today: >>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home

    Hopefully there will be a further article tomorrow following a >>>>>>statement from the Minister that he will not be proceeding with the >>>>>>reversal of good standards relating to housing insulation . . .

    My own house doesn't comply.

    If I had to go away for a long time, I would sooner leave it empty >>>>>than spend oney that does not need spending.

    Bill.

    Yes that is exactly the point.

    No it is not. The articles were on the impact on standards for new
    homes, and possibly also homes being made available for rent. I have
    seen houses that have been condemned and owners forced to move, but I >>>suspect the houses that Bill and you Tony live in are not in that >>>category. Should Bill wish to rent his house he may need to make
    changes to comply with the law, but it is possible that provided it is >>>not used for commercial income it does not need that additional work. >>Nope, you are deliberately missing the point.

    That would be you, Tony, getting off topic again. It is all there in
    the Subject: - An Education for Chris Penk - that you apparently need
    an education as well is Off Topic, Tony.
    Absolute rubbish. You are being deceitful and obtuse.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Thu Jul 25 22:26:48 2024
    On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 06:30:10 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 01:31:06 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 20:25:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:25:18 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:

    One of the good things that sometimes happen is that it is possible to >>>>>>>follow a story through successive related articles - see: >>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522288/government-considers-rolling-back-insulation-standards
    then >>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522414/dismay-at-plan-to-revert-to-less-strict-insulation-standards
    then >>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home
    and now today: >>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home

    Hopefully there will be a further article tomorrow following a >>>>>>>statement from the Minister that he will not be proceeding with the >>>>>>>reversal of good standards relating to housing insulation . . .

    My own house doesn't comply.

    If I had to go away for a long time, I would sooner leave it empty >>>>>>than spend oney that does not need spending.

    Bill.

    Yes that is exactly the point.

    No it is not. The articles were on the impact on standards for new >>>>homes, and possibly also homes being made available for rent. I have >>>>seen houses that have been condemned and owners forced to move, but I >>>>suspect the houses that Bill and you Tony live in are not in that >>>>category. Should Bill wish to rent his house he may need to make >>>>changes to comply with the law, but it is possible that provided it is >>>>not used for commercial income it does not need that additional work. >>>Nope, you are deliberately missing the point.

    That would be you, Tony, getting off topic again. It is all there in
    the Subject: - An Education for Chris Penk - that you apparently need
    an education as well is Off Topic, Tony.
    Absolute rubbish. You are being deceitful and obtuse.

    The Subject of the Thread is "An Education for Chris Penk." If you
    want to talk about anything else start a new thread.

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  • From BR@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 26 05:59:02 2024
    On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 12:29:52 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 20:25:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:25:18 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:

    One of the good things that sometimes happen is that it is possible to >>>>follow a story through successive related articles - see: >>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522288/government-considers-rolling-back-insulation-standards
    then >>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522414/dismay-at-plan-to-revert-to-less-strict-insulation-standards
    then >>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home
    and now today: >>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home

    Hopefully there will be a further article tomorrow following a >>>>statement from the Minister that he will not be proceeding with the >>>>reversal of good standards relating to housing insulation . . .

    My own house doesn't comply.

    If I had to go away for a long time, I would sooner leave it empty
    than spend oney that does not need spending.

    Bill.

    Yes that is exactly the point.

    No it is not. The articles were on the impact on standards for new
    homes, and possibly also homes being made available for rent. I have
    seen houses that have been condemned and owners forced to move, but I
    suspect the houses that Bill and you Tony live in are not in that
    category. Should Bill wish to rent his house he may need to make
    changes to comply with the law, but it is possible that provided it is
    not used for commercial income it does not need that additional work.


    These "healthy homes" rules for rental houses are unnecessary. The
    only thing they will achieve is to cost everyone money and further
    discourage property owners from making their houses available for
    rent. They will increase the size of the bureaucracy because every new regulation means more administration and petty enforcement. My house
    is healthy enough as it is. No level of "healthy home" compliance will
    make any difference to some fat pig who drinks excessively, smokes,
    eats crap and doesn't exercise.

    I suspect that the reason left wing governments love this stuff is
    that it increases the size of the bureaucracy and provides the likes
    of Labour and the greens with a guaranteed supply of votes. None of
    the people involved in implementing and enforcing this nonsense would
    favour any government they perceive to be a threat to their cushy
    jobs.

    Bill.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Jul 25 20:31:16 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 06:30:10 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 01:31:06 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 20:25:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:25:18 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>>wrote:

    One of the good things that sometimes happen is that it is possible to >>>>>>>>follow a story through successive related articles - see: >>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522288/government-considers-rolling-back-insulation-standards
    then >>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522414/dismay-at-plan-to-revert-to-less-strict-insulation-standards
    then >>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home
    and now today: >>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home

    Hopefully there will be a further article tomorrow following a >>>>>>>>statement from the Minister that he will not be proceeding with the >>>>>>>>reversal of good standards relating to housing insulation . . .

    My own house doesn't comply.

    If I had to go away for a long time, I would sooner leave it empty >>>>>>>than spend oney that does not need spending.

    Bill.

    Yes that is exactly the point.

    No it is not. The articles were on the impact on standards for new >>>>>homes, and possibly also homes being made available for rent. I have >>>>>seen houses that have been condemned and owners forced to move, but I >>>>>suspect the houses that Bill and you Tony live in are not in that >>>>>category. Should Bill wish to rent his house he may need to make >>>>>changes to comply with the law, but it is possible that provided it is >>>>>not used for commercial income it does not need that additional work. >>>>Nope, you are deliberately missing the point.

    That would be you, Tony, getting off topic again. It is all there in
    the Subject: - An Education for Chris Penk - that you apparently need
    an education as well is Off Topic, Tony.
    Absolute rubbish. You are being deceitful and obtuse.

    The Subject of the Thread is "An Education for Chris Penk." If you
    want to talk about anything else start a new thread.
    I have been, and am, on topic.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to blah@blah.blah on Fri Jul 26 08:40:33 2024
    On Fri, 26 Jul 2024 05:59:02 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 12:29:52 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 20:25:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:25:18 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:

    One of the good things that sometimes happen is that it is possible to >>>>>follow a story through successive related articles - see: >>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522288/government-considers-rolling-back-insulation-standards
    then >>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522414/dismay-at-plan-to-revert-to-less-strict-insulation-standards
    then >>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home
    and now today: >>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home

    Hopefully there will be a further article tomorrow following a >>>>>statement from the Minister that he will not be proceeding with the >>>>>reversal of good standards relating to housing insulation . . .

    My own house doesn't comply.

    If I had to go away for a long time, I would sooner leave it empty
    than spend oney that does not need spending.

    Bill.

    Yes that is exactly the point.

    No it is not. The articles were on the impact on standards for new
    homes, and possibly also homes being made available for rent. I have
    seen houses that have been condemned and owners forced to move, but I >>suspect the houses that Bill and you Tony live in are not in that
    category. Should Bill wish to rent his house he may need to make
    changes to comply with the law, but it is possible that provided it is
    not used for commercial income it does not need that additional work.


    These "healthy homes" rules for rental houses are unnecessary. The
    only thing they will achieve is to cost everyone money and further
    discourage property owners from making their houses available for
    rent. They will increase the size of the bureaucracy because every new >regulation means more administration and petty enforcement. My house
    is healthy enough as it is. No level of "healthy home" compliance will
    make any difference to some fat pig who drinks excessively, smokes,
    eats crap and doesn't exercise.

    Now don't you go worrying yourself, BR, Chris Penk has your back. Self-certification is all you would need if you are wanting to rent
    your house; if you say it is healthy enough well you should know,
    "Right"? Now may be Penk could have a quiet word with his good friend
    Simeon Brown - forget about those pesky councils that don't like
    children being killed outside their schools - let them set their petty
    limits, but bring in self-certification for the speed they were
    traveling! There could even be a slogan - Getting New Zealand Moving
    again!. And before you start worrying about Chris Penk and Simeon
    Brown, they'll be OK - the Ministerial Limos are pretty safe in a
    crash . . .


    I suspect that the reason left wing governments love this stuff is
    that it increases the size of the bureaucracy and provides the likes
    of Labour and the greens with a guaranteed supply of votes. None of
    the people involved in implementing and enforcing this nonsense would
    favour any government they perceive to be a threat to their cushy
    jobs.

    Bill.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 26 11:39:51 2024
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:25:18 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    One of the good things that sometimes happen is that it is possible to
    follow a story through successive related articles - see: >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522288/government-considers-rolling-back-insulation-standards
    then >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522414/dismay-at-plan-to-revert-to-less-strict-insulation-standards
    then >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home
    and now today: >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home

    Hopefully there will be a further article tomorrow following a
    statement from the Minister that he will not be proceeding with the
    reversal of good standards relating to housing insulation . . .

    So Penk is looking into this Rich80105 and you consider this an issue?

    Has any proposal been taken to Cabinet? If so, did anything come of
    this to progress this proposal?

    Unless and until the answer to both questions is 'yes' then there is
    no cause for concern.

    I expect that our Cabinet Ministers are capable of exploring new
    options at all times. None matter unless Cabinet decisions are
    imminent or approved.

    Personally I don't think this will go anywhere. It does not achieve
    any significant cost reductions - there is simply no point in doing
    this and there are no coalition agreement requirements for this
    change.


    --
    Crash McBash

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Jul 25 23:39:09 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 26 Jul 2024 05:59:02 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 12:29:52 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:

    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 20:25:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:25:18 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:

    One of the good things that sometimes happen is that it is possible to >>>>>>follow a story through successive related articles - see: >>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522288/government-considers-rolling-back-insulation-standards
    then >>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522414/dismay-at-plan-to-revert-to-less-strict-insulation-standards
    then >>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home
    and now today: >>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home

    Hopefully there will be a further article tomorrow following a >>>>>>statement from the Minister that he will not be proceeding with the >>>>>>reversal of good standards relating to housing insulation . . .

    My own house doesn't comply.

    If I had to go away for a long time, I would sooner leave it empty >>>>>than spend oney that does not need spending.

    Bill.

    Yes that is exactly the point.

    No it is not. The articles were on the impact on standards for new
    homes, and possibly also homes being made available for rent. I have
    seen houses that have been condemned and owners forced to move, but I >>>suspect the houses that Bill and you Tony live in are not in that >>>category. Should Bill wish to rent his house he may need to make
    changes to comply with the law, but it is possible that provided it is >>>not used for commercial income it does not need that additional work.


    These "healthy homes" rules for rental houses are unnecessary. The
    only thing they will achieve is to cost everyone money and further >>discourage property owners from making their houses available for
    rent. They will increase the size of the bureaucracy because every new >>regulation means more administration and petty enforcement. My house
    is healthy enough as it is. No level of "healthy home" compliance will
    make any difference to some fat pig who drinks excessively, smokes,
    eats crap and doesn't exercise.

    Now don't you go worrying yourself, BR, Chris Penk has your back. >Self-certification is all you would need if you are wanting to rent
    your house; if you say it is healthy enough well you should know,
    "Right"? Now may be Penk could have a quiet word with his good friend
    Simeon Brown - forget about those pesky councils that don't like
    children being killed outside their schools - let them set their petty >limits, but bring in self-certification for the speed they were
    traveling! There could even be a slogan - Getting New Zealand Moving
    again!. And before you start worrying about Chris Penk and Simeon
    Brown, they'll be OK - the Ministerial Limos are pretty safe in a
    crash . . .
    Sarcsam - the last resort of the inept and uneducated.
    In your case, the only debating tool that you have.


    I suspect that the reason left wing governments love this stuff is
    that it increases the size of the bureaucracy and provides the likes
    of Labour and the greens with a guaranteed supply of votes. None of
    the people involved in implementing and enforcing this nonsense would >>favour any government they perceive to be a threat to their cushy
    jobs.

    Bill.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 26 15:13:22 2024
    On Fri, 26 Jul 2024 11:39:51 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:25:18 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    One of the good things that sometimes happen is that it is possible to >>follow a story through successive related articles - see: >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522288/government-considers-rolling-back-insulation-standards
    then >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522414/dismay-at-plan-to-revert-to-less-strict-insulation-standards
    then >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home
    and now today: >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home

    Hopefully there will be a further article tomorrow following a
    statement from the Minister that he will not be proceeding with the >>reversal of good standards relating to housing insulation . . .

    So Penk is looking into this Rich80105 and you consider this an issue?
    It seems to be for a lot of people - I am not personally affected, but
    I know a lot of people are, and that it affects healthy living which
    has flow on effects to health service volumes - we can save money by
    better homes.

    The last of the four links should have been the following - the
    following story rounds out the previous three - I apologise for the
    wrong link being posted. https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522965/insulation-s-role-in-overheating-a-myth-building-experts


    Has any proposal been taken to Cabinet? If so, did anything come of
    this to progress this proposal?

    That is not clear, but we have seen a number of decisions recently
    that apparently did not need to go to Cabinet. If it is just changing
    a regulation (like a recent excise duty change) apparently it can be
    made by the Minister.

    Unless and until the answer to both questions is 'yes' then there is
    no cause for concern.

    I expect that our Cabinet Ministers are capable of exploring new
    options at all times. None matter unless Cabinet decisions are
    imminent or approved.

    Personally I don't think this will go anywhere. It does not achieve
    any significant cost reductions - there is simply no point in doing
    this and there are no coalition agreement requirements for this
    change.
    Thanks for that - but the coalition agreements will not be the sole
    reason for legislation.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 26 17:17:01 2024
    On Fri, 26 Jul 2024 15:13:22 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 26 Jul 2024 11:39:51 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:25:18 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:

    One of the good things that sometimes happen is that it is possible to >>>follow a story through successive related articles - see: >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522288/government-considers-rolling-back-insulation-standards
    then >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522414/dismay-at-plan-to-revert-to-less-strict-insulation-standards
    then >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home
    and now today: >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home

    Hopefully there will be a further article tomorrow following a
    statement from the Minister that he will not be proceeding with the >>>reversal of good standards relating to housing insulation . . .

    So Penk is looking into this Rich80105 and you consider this an issue?
    It seems to be for a lot of people - I am not personally affected, but
    I know a lot of people are, and that it affects healthy living which
    has flow on effects to health service volumes - we can save money by
    better homes.

    The last of the four links should have been the following - the
    following story rounds out the previous three - I apologise for the
    wrong link being posted. >https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522965/insulation-s-role-in-overheating-a-myth-building-experts


    Has any proposal been taken to Cabinet? If so, did anything come of
    this to progress this proposal?

    That is not clear, but we have seen a number of decisions recently
    that apparently did not need to go to Cabinet.

    Do your own research. Start with the first article that references
    the Building Code, then use Google to find the appropriate Acts
    involved. It seems to me with 5 minutes research that changing the
    Building Code requires legislative change. Feel free to cite anything
    that shows this to be incorrect.

    If it is just changing
    a regulation (like a recent excise duty change) apparently it can be
    made by the Minister.

    But you clearly could not be bothered to do the research before
    posting.

    Unless and until the answer to both questions is 'yes' then there is
    no cause for concern.

    I expect that our Cabinet Ministers are capable of exploring new
    options at all times. None matter unless Cabinet decisions are
    imminent or approved.

    Personally I don't think this will go anywhere. It does not achieve
    any significant cost reductions - there is simply no point in doing
    this and there are no coalition agreement requirements for this
    change.
    Thanks for that - but the coalition agreements will not be the sole
    reason for legislation.

    Correct but usually you are promptly on to signaling changes not
    foreshadowed in said coalition agreements.


    --
    Crash McBash

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Fri Jul 26 17:20:03 2024
    On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 23:39:09 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 26 Jul 2024 05:59:02 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Thu, 25 Jul 2024 12:29:52 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:

    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 20:25:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
    On Wed, 24 Jul 2024 22:25:18 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:

    One of the good things that sometimes happen is that it is possible to >>>>>>>follow a story through successive related articles - see: >>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522288/government-considers-rolling-back-insulation-standards
    then >>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522414/dismay-at-plan-to-revert-to-less-strict-insulation-standards
    then >>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home
    and now today: >>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/522432/insulation-cost-relatively-small-for-standard-home

    Hopefully there will be a further article tomorrow following a >>>>>>>statement from the Minister that he will not be proceeding with the >>>>>>>reversal of good standards relating to housing insulation . . .

    My own house doesn't comply.

    If I had to go away for a long time, I would sooner leave it empty >>>>>>than spend oney that does not need spending.

    Bill.

    Yes that is exactly the point.

    No it is not. The articles were on the impact on standards for new >>>>homes, and possibly also homes being made available for rent. I have >>>>seen houses that have been condemned and owners forced to move, but I >>>>suspect the houses that Bill and you Tony live in are not in that >>>>category. Should Bill wish to rent his house he may need to make >>>>changes to comply with the law, but it is possible that provided it is >>>>not used for commercial income it does not need that additional work.


    These "healthy homes" rules for rental houses are unnecessary. The
    only thing they will achieve is to cost everyone money and further >>>discourage property owners from making their houses available for
    rent. They will increase the size of the bureaucracy because every new >>>regulation means more administration and petty enforcement. My house
    is healthy enough as it is. No level of "healthy home" compliance will >>>make any difference to some fat pig who drinks excessively, smokes,
    eats crap and doesn't exercise.

    Now don't you go worrying yourself, BR, Chris Penk has your back. >>Self-certification is all you would need if you are wanting to rent
    your house; if you say it is healthy enough well you should know,
    "Right"? Now may be Penk could have a quiet word with his good friend >>Simeon Brown - forget about those pesky councils that don't like
    children being killed outside their schools - let them set their petty >>limits, but bring in self-certification for the speed they were
    traveling! There could even be a slogan - Getting New Zealand Moving >>again!. And before you start worrying about Chris Penk and Simeon
    Brown, they'll be OK - the Ministerial Limos are pretty safe in a
    crash . . .
    Sarcsam - the last resort of the inept and uneducated.
    In your case, the only debating tool that you have.

    Yes it is - and I don't respond when Rich posts in this fashion. I
    have just posted elsewhere in this thread a few minutes ago to deal substantively with what Rich said in both his OP and his response to
    my post on it.


    I suspect that the reason left wing governments love this stuff is
    that it increases the size of the bureaucracy and provides the likes
    of Labour and the greens with a guaranteed supply of votes. None of
    the people involved in implementing and enforcing this nonsense would >>>favour any government they perceive to be a threat to their cushy
    jobs.

    Bill.


    --
    Crash McBash

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