https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350359217/toyotas-baby-roader-set-production-no-longer-electric
This is one of many articles pointing out that the EV surge is melting away >as the reality sets in. We are getting to the stage of just about the market >turning on the peak before it powers down the far side.
As pointed out in the article Toyota has had a dollar each way and has not >enagaged with the EV is green way to go.
The other point of significance is that Stuff has published this article.
On 29 Jul 2024 22:37:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:What for instance?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350359217/toyotas-baby-roader-set-production-no-longer-electric
This is one of many articles pointing out that the EV surge is melting away >>as the reality sets in. We are getting to the stage of just about the market >>turning on the peak before it powers down the far side.
As pointed out in the article Toyota has had a dollar each way and has not >>enagaged with the EV is green way to go.
The other point of significance is that Stuff has published this article.
Toyota was one of the leaders in adopting hybrid technology, and
appears to be slow to move to just electric. It does not mean that
electric vehicle take-up is changing; there are other reasons for the
sudden decline in EVs being purchased in New Zealand.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350359217/toyotas-baby-roader-set-production-no-longer-electric
This is one of many articles pointing out that the EV surge is melting away as the reality sets in. We are getting to the stage of just about the market turning on the peak before it powers down the far side.
As pointed out in the article Toyota has had a dollar each way and has not enagaged with the EV is green way to go.
The other point of significance is that Stuff has published this article.
On 29 Jul 2024 22:37:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350359217/toyotas-baby-roader-set-production-no-longer-electric
This is one of many articles pointing out that the EV surge is melting away >>as the reality sets in. We are getting to the stage of just about the market >>turning on the peak before it powers down the far side.
As pointed out in the article Toyota has had a dollar each way and has not >>enagaged with the EV is green way to go.
The other point of significance is that Stuff has published this article.
Toyota was one of the leaders in adopting hybrid technology, and
appears to be slow to move to just electric. It does not mean that
electric vehicle take-up is changing; there are other reasons for the
sudden decline in EVs being purchased in New Zealand.
In article <lgqjt1F5484U1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nzHave you ever considered that Toyota might be well ahead of the rest of the world, or is your mind closed to that possibility.
says...
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350359217/toyotas-baby-roader-set-production-no-longer-electric
This is one of many articles pointing out that the EV surge is melting away >> as the reality sets in. We are getting to the stage of just about the market >> turning on the peak before it powers down the far side.
As pointed out in the article Toyota has had a dollar each way and has not >> enagaged with the EV is green way to go.
The other point of significance is that Stuff has published this article.
The fact Toyota isn't building an EV is hardly newsworthy - they've been >avoiding doing EVs for as long as EVs have been a thing, instead
preferring to waste time and money on Hydrogen. So I wouldn't take this
as sign that the EV surge is melting away - its just Toyota being
Toyota.
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lgqjt1F5484U1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nzHave you ever considered that Toyota might be well ahead of the rest of the >world, or is your mind closed to that possibility.
says...
The fact Toyota isn't building an EV is hardly newsworthy - they've been >>avoiding doing EVs for as long as EVs have been a thing, instead
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350359217/toyotas-baby-roader-set-production-no-longer-electric
This is one of many articles pointing out that the EV surge is melting away >>> as the reality sets in. We are getting to the stage of just about the market
turning on the peak before it powers down the far side.
As pointed out in the article Toyota has had a dollar each way and has not >>> enagaged with the EV is green way to go.
The other point of significance is that Stuff has published this article. >>
preferring to waste time and money on Hydrogen. So I wouldn't take this
as sign that the EV surge is melting away - its just Toyota being
Toyota.
On Wed, 31 Jul 2024 03:20:21 -0000 (UTC), TonyOnly to you, my question was on-track, pertinent and well beyond your ken.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lgqjt1F5484U1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nzHave you ever considered that Toyota might be well ahead of the rest of the >>world, or is your mind closed to that possibility.
says...
The fact Toyota isn't building an EV is hardly newsworthy - they've been >>>avoiding doing EVs for as long as EVs have been a thing, instead >>>preferring to waste time and money on Hydrogen. So I wouldn't take this >>>as sign that the EV surge is melting away - its just Toyota being
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350359217/toyotas-baby-roader-set-production-no-longer-electric
This is one of many articles pointing out that the EV surge is melting away
as the reality sets in. We are getting to the stage of just about the >>>>market
turning on the peak before it powers down the far side.
As pointed out in the article Toyota has had a dollar each way and has not >>>> enagaged with the EV is green way to go.
The other point of significance is that Stuff has published this article. >>>
Toyota.
The decision of Toyota in respect of one new vehicle is hardly
indicative of a trend for even that company, let alone the whole
industry. The article did not suggest any such consideration - you
appear to be getting off track again, Tony
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:gaining in popularity worldwide. NZ still has too few charging
On Wed, 31 Jul 2024 03:20:21 -0000 (UTC), TonyOnly to you, my question was on-track, pertinent and well beyond your ken. Insults is all you have, Tony, the reality is that EVs and Hybrids are
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lgqjt1F5484U1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz >>>>says...Have you ever considered that Toyota might be well ahead of the rest of the >>>world, or is your mind closed to that possibility.
The fact Toyota isn't building an EV is hardly newsworthy - they've been >>>>avoiding doing EVs for as long as EVs have been a thing, instead >>>>preferring to waste time and money on Hydrogen. So I wouldn't take this >>>>as sign that the EV surge is melting away - its just Toyota being >>>>Toyota.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350359217/toyotas-baby-roader-set-production-no-longer-electric
This is one of many articles pointing out that the EV surge is melting away
as the reality sets in. We are getting to the stage of just about the >>>>>market
turning on the peak before it powers down the far side.
As pointed out in the article Toyota has had a dollar each way and has not
enagaged with the EV is green way to go.
The other point of significance is that Stuff has published this article. >>>>
The decision of Toyota in respect of one new vehicle is hardly
indicative of a trend for even that company, let alone the whole
industry. The article did not suggest any such consideration - you
appear to be getting off track again, Tony
On Wed, 31 Jul 2024 07:04:00 -0000 (UTC), TonyI did not insult you, I told the truth. You are deluded.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:stations; and recent government actions caused one supplier to move
On Wed, 31 Jul 2024 03:20:21 -0000 (UTC), TonyOnly to you, my question was on-track, pertinent and well beyond your ken. >Insults is all you have, Tony, the reality is that EVs and Hybrids are >gaining in popularity worldwide. NZ still has too few charging
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lgqjt1F5484U1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz >>>>>says...Have you ever considered that Toyota might be well ahead of the rest of the >>>>world, or is your mind closed to that possibility.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350359217/toyotas-baby-roader-set-production-no-longer-electric
This is one of many articles pointing out that the EV surge is melting >>>>>>away
as the reality sets in. We are getting to the stage of just about the >>>>>>market
turning on the peak before it powers down the far side.
As pointed out in the article Toyota has had a dollar each way and has >>>>>>not
enagaged with the EV is green way to go.
The other point of significance is that Stuff has published this article.
The fact Toyota isn't building an EV is hardly newsworthy - they've been >>>>>avoiding doing EVs for as long as EVs have been a thing, instead >>>>>preferring to waste time and money on Hydrogen. So I wouldn't take this >>>>>as sign that the EV surge is melting away - its just Toyota being >>>>>Toyota.
The decision of Toyota in respect of one new vehicle is hardly
indicative of a trend for even that company, let alone the whole >>>industry. The article did not suggest any such consideration - you
appear to be getting off track again, Tony
its focus to Australia where they are able to install many more than
here where the demand has dried up. Governments do make a difference,
and in this case it is in the interests of their donors rather than
New Zealanders.
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <lgqjt1F5484U1@mid.individual.net>, Gordon@leaf.net.nz
says...
https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/350359217/toyotas-baby-roader-set-production-no-longer-electric
This is one of many articles pointing out that the EV surge is melting away
as the reality sets in. We are getting to the stage of just about the market
turning on the peak before it powers down the far side.
As pointed out in the article Toyota has had a dollar each way and has not >> enagaged with the EV is green way to go.
The other point of significance is that Stuff has published this article.
The fact Toyota isn't building an EV is hardly newsworthy - they've been >avoiding doing EVs for as long as EVs have been a thing, insteadHave you ever considered that Toyota might be well ahead of the rest of the world, or is your mind closed to that possibility.
preferring to waste time and money on Hydrogen. So I wouldn't take this
as sign that the EV surge is melting away - its just Toyota being
Toyota.
It is impossible for a Fuel Cell Electric Vehicle to be as efficient as
or cheaper to operate than a Battery Electric Vehicle thanks to all the
work and energy required to make and transport the hydrogen, work that
simply doesn't need to be done if you skip hydrogen and use the
electricity directly.
On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 16:05:04 +1200, David Goodwin wrote:
It is impossible for a Fuel Cell Electric Vehicle to be as efficient as
or cheaper to operate than a Battery Electric Vehicle thanks to all the >work and energy required to make and transport the hydrogen, work that >simply doesn't need to be done if you skip hydrogen and use the
electricity directly.
We can do even better and cut out the electricity middleman. Look at https://www.transpower.co.nz/system-operator/live-system-and-market-data/consolidated-live-data
and see that electricity is being generated by gas at 75% of capacity,
and by coal at 82% of capacity. It has been doing this for a solid 2+
months now. Yes, gas and coal are working overtime to supply your EV
with electricity. Much more efficient and environment-saving to use a petrol-powered ICE car than a coal-powered EV.
It may surprise you to learn that a massive power plant maintained by an >expert staff and run as efficiently as possible to maximise profit is
*more* efficient than a little engine that at best gets serviced once or >twice a year and spends most of its time being operated inefficiently.
A coal powered EV produces less emissions than your typical combustion >engined car.
In article <66ab3b61.1938616046@news.mixmin.net>, wn@nosuch.com says...
We can do even better and cut out the electricity middleman. Look at
https://www.transpower.co.nz/system-operator/live-system-and-market-data/consolidated-live-data
and see that electricity is being generated by gas at 75% of capacity,
and by coal at 82% of capacity. It has been doing this for a solid 2+
months now. Yes, gas and coal are working overtime to supply your EV
with electricity. Much more efficient and environment-saving to use a
petrol-powered ICE car than a coal-powered EV.
That is in fact not correct at all.
It may surprise you to learn that a massive power plant maintained by an >expert staff and run as efficiently as possible to maximise profit is
*more* efficient than a little engine that at best gets serviced once or >twice a year and spends most of its time being operated inefficiently.
A coal powered EV produces less emissions than your typical combustion >engined car.
On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 10:28:19 +1200, David Goodwin
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
It may surprise you to learn that a massive power plant maintained by an >>expert staff and run as efficiently as possible to maximise profit is >>*more* efficient than a little engine that at best gets serviced once or >>twice a year and spends most of its time being operated inefficiently.
A coal powered EV produces less emissions than your typical combustion >>engined car.
None of this matters. Coal is cheap and plentiful. Emissions are
irrelevant. Man made climate change is a fraud.
Bill.
On Fri, 02 Aug 2024 18:18:04 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:Incorrect. It is both.
On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 10:28:19 +1200, David Goodwin
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
It may surprise you to learn that a massive power plant maintained by an >>>expert staff and run as efficiently as possible to maximise profit is >>>*more* efficient than a little engine that at best gets serviced once or >>>twice a year and spends most of its time being operated inefficiently.
A coal powered EV produces less emissions than your typical combustion >>>engined car.
None of this matters. Coal is cheap and plentiful. Emissions are >>irrelevant. Man made climate change is a fraud.
Bill.
Coal is neither cheap or plentiful.
Emissions are relevant - for aThere are none.
variety of reasons, but including the cost of meeting international >commitments.
There are reasons why most city rail links use electricThose reasons being?
power for example, and why the number of EV busses is increasing..
On Fri, 02 Aug 2024 18:18:04 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 10:28:19 +1200, David Goodwin
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
It may surprise you to learn that a massive power plant maintained by an >>>expert staff and run as efficiently as possible to maximise profit is >>>*more* efficient than a little engine that at best gets serviced once or >>>twice a year and spends most of its time being operated inefficiently.
A coal powered EV produces less emissions than your typical combustion >>>engined car.
None of this matters. Coal is cheap and plentiful. Emissions are >>irrelevant. Man made climate change is a fraud.
Bill.
Coal is neither cheap or plentiful. Emissions are relevant - for a
variety of reasons, but including the cost of meeting international >commitments. There are reasons why most city rail links use electric
power for example, and why the number of EV busses is increasing..
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2024 18:18:04 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 10:28:19 +1200, David Goodwin
<david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
It may surprise you to learn that a massive power plant maintained by an >>>>expert staff and run as efficiently as possible to maximise profit is >>>>*more* efficient than a little engine that at best gets serviced once or >>>>twice a year and spends most of its time being operated inefficiently.
A coal powered EV produces less emissions than your typical combustion >>>>engined car.
None of this matters. Coal is cheap and plentiful. Emissions are >>>irrelevant. Man made climate change is a fraud.
Bill.
Coal is neither cheap or plentiful. Emissions are relevant - for a
variety of reasons, but including the cost of meeting international >>commitments. There are reasons why most city rail links use electric
power for example, and why the number of EV busses is increasing..
There's plenty of coal in NZ so what are you talking about. There's a
whole mine full right besides the Huntly power station but we import
the crappy stuff from Indonesia.
On Fri, 2 Aug 2024, David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <66ab3b61.1938616046@news.mixmin.net>, wn@nosuch.com says...
We can do even better and cut out the electricity middleman. Look at
https://www.transpower.co.nz/system-operator/live-system-and-market-data/consolidated-live-data
and see that electricity is being generated by gas at 75% of capacity,
and by coal at 82% of capacity. It has been doing this for a solid 2+
months now. Yes, gas and coal are working overtime to supply your EV
with electricity. Much more efficient and environment-saving to use a
petrol-powered ICE car than a coal-powered EV.
That is in fact not correct at all.
It may surprise you to learn that a massive power plant maintained by an >>expert staff and run as efficiently as possible to maximise profit is >>*more* efficient than a little engine that at best gets serviced once or >>twice a year and spends most of its time being operated inefficiently.
A coal powered EV produces less emissions than your typical combustion >>engined car.
I give you credit for biting the bullet. But still you sloganeer
(i.e., you assume the conclusion), and it would be interesting to
quantify the comparison. Remember that electricity transmission is
not lossless, it may be as low as 50% efficiency from generation to >consumption.
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 13:45:32 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>Why do you have to use inflamatory language. Look up the meaning of assertion and perhaps you could moderate your use to good effect - you might, although unlikely, annoy people less often.
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2024 18:18:04 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 10:28:19 +1200, David Goodwin >>>><david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
It may surprise you to learn that a massive power plant maintained by an >>>>>expert staff and run as efficiently as possible to maximise profit is >>>>>*more* efficient than a little engine that at best gets serviced once or >>>>>twice a year and spends most of its time being operated inefficiently. >>>>>
A coal powered EV produces less emissions than your typical combustion >>>>>engined car.
None of this matters. Coal is cheap and plentiful. Emissions are >>>>irrelevant. Man made climate change is a fraud.
Bill.
Coal is neither cheap or plentiful. Emissions are relevant - for a >>>variety of reasons, but including the cost of meeting international >>>commitments. There are reasons why most city rail links use electric >>>power for example, and why the number of EV busses is increasing..
There's plenty of coal in NZ so what are you talking about. There's a
whole mine full right besides the Huntly power station but we import
the crappy stuff from Indonesia.
Do you have a reference for that assertion, Mutley? My understanding
is the imported coal gives better results overall as the coal from NZ
Mines does not produce as good results as the imported coal.
Also it's important to note that an EV weighs about 50% more than an
ICE car, so needs to do 50% more work to get from points A to B. This
aspect is usually ignored in comparisons -- the inefficiency of having
to carry that very heavy battery around with you wherever you go.
On Fri, 02 Aug 2024 02:53:07 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2024, David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <66ab3b61.1938616046@news.mixmin.net>, wn@nosuch.com says...
We can do even better and cut out the electricity middleman. Look at
https://www.transpower.co.nz/system-operator/live-system-and-market-data/consolidated-live-data
and see that electricity is being generated by gas at 75% of capacity, >>> and by coal at 82% of capacity. It has been doing this for a solid 2+ >>> months now. Yes, gas and coal are working overtime to supply your EV
with electricity. Much more efficient and environment-saving to use a >>> petrol-powered ICE car than a coal-powered EV.
That is in fact not correct at all.
It may surprise you to learn that a massive power plant maintained by an >>expert staff and run as efficiently as possible to maximise profit is >>*more* efficient than a little engine that at best gets serviced once or >>twice a year and spends most of its time being operated inefficiently.
A coal powered EV produces less emissions than your typical combustion >>engined car.
I give you credit for biting the bullet. But still you sloganeer
(i.e., you assume the conclusion), and it would be interesting to
quantify the comparison. Remember that electricity transmission is
not lossless, it may be as low as 50% efficiency from generation to >consumption.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I did not expect you to have any references to the assertion that
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 13:45:32 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>Why do you have to use inflamatory language. Look up the meaning of assertion >and perhaps you could moderate your use to good effect - you might, although >unlikely, annoy people less often.
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2024 18:18:04 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 10:28:19 +1200, David Goodwin >>>>><david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
It may surprise you to learn that a massive power plant maintained by an >>>>>>expert staff and run as efficiently as possible to maximise profit is >>>>>>*more* efficient than a little engine that at best gets serviced once or >>>>>>twice a year and spends most of its time being operated inefficiently. >>>>>>
A coal powered EV produces less emissions than your typical combustion >>>>>>engined car.
None of this matters. Coal is cheap and plentiful. Emissions are >>>>>irrelevant. Man made climate change is a fraud.
Bill.
Coal is neither cheap or plentiful. Emissions are relevant - for a >>>>variety of reasons, but including the cost of meeting international >>>>commitments. There are reasons why most city rail links use electric >>>>power for example, and why the number of EV busses is increasing..
There's plenty of coal in NZ so what are you talking about. There's a >>>whole mine full right besides the Huntly power station but we import
the crappy stuff from Indonesia.
Do you have a reference for that assertion, Mutley? My understanding
is the imported coal gives better results overall as the coal from NZ
Mines does not produce as good results as the imported coal.
On Sat, 3 Aug 2024 07:49:42 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are definitely getting worse, I didn't make that statement and I do not assume that I know what Mutley is thinking. Time to go back to your geriatrician.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I did not expect you to have any references to the assertion that
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 13:45:32 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:Why do you have to use inflamatory language. Look up the meaning of assertion >>and perhaps you could moderate your use to good effect - you might, although >>unlikely, annoy people less often.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2024 18:18:04 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 10:28:19 +1200, David Goodwin >>>>>><david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
It may surprise you to learn that a massive power plant maintained by an >>>>>>>expert staff and run as efficiently as possible to maximise profit is >>>>>>>*more* efficient than a little engine that at best gets serviced once or >>>>>>>twice a year and spends most of its time being operated inefficiently. >>>>>>>
A coal powered EV produces less emissions than your typical combustion >>>>>>>engined car.
None of this matters. Coal is cheap and plentiful. Emissions are >>>>>>irrelevant. Man made climate change is a fraud.
Bill.
Coal is neither cheap or plentiful. Emissions are relevant - for a >>>>>variety of reasons, but including the cost of meeting international >>>>>commitments. There are reasons why most city rail links use electric >>>>>power for example, and why the number of EV busses is increasing..
There's plenty of coal in NZ so what are you talking about. There's a >>>>whole mine full right besides the Huntly power station but we import >>>>the crappy stuff from Indonesia.
Do you have a reference for that assertion, Mutley? My understanding
is the imported coal gives better results overall as the coal from NZ >>>Mines does not produce as good results as the imported coal.
"here's a whole mine full right besides the Huntly power station but
we import the crappy stuff from Indonesia. ", but I also specifically
asked Mutley; nobody ever expects references to your assertions, Tony.
On Sat, 3 Aug 2024 07:49:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I did not expect you to have any references to the assertion that
On Sat, 03 Aug 2024 13:45:32 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:Why do you have to use inflamatory language. Look up the meaning of assertion >>and perhaps you could moderate your use to good effect - you might, although >>unlikely, annoy people less often.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 02 Aug 2024 18:18:04 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 10:28:19 +1200, David Goodwin >>>>>><david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
It may surprise you to learn that a massive power plant maintained by an >>>>>>>expert staff and run as efficiently as possible to maximise profit is >>>>>>>*more* efficient than a little engine that at best gets serviced once or >>>>>>>twice a year and spends most of its time being operated inefficiently. >>>>>>>
A coal powered EV produces less emissions than your typical combustion >>>>>>>engined car.
None of this matters. Coal is cheap and plentiful. Emissions are >>>>>>irrelevant. Man made climate change is a fraud.
Bill.
Coal is neither cheap or plentiful. Emissions are relevant - for a >>>>>variety of reasons, but including the cost of meeting international >>>>>commitments. There are reasons why most city rail links use electric >>>>>power for example, and why the number of EV busses is increasing..
There's plenty of coal in NZ so what are you talking about. There's a >>>>whole mine full right besides the Huntly power station but we import >>>>the crappy stuff from Indonesia.
Do you have a reference for that assertion, Mutley? My understanding
is the imported coal gives better results overall as the coal from NZ >>>Mines does not produce as good results as the imported coal.
"here's a whole mine full right besides the Huntly power station but
we import the crappy stuff from Indonesia. ", but I also specifically
asked Mutley; nobody ever expects references to your assertions, Tony.
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