https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/22/interislander-ferries-in-better-condition-than-expected-report-finds/
While the Union has some concerns - about disaster rescue planning,
not ferry replacement - it looks like the cancellation of the iRex
project was a good decision.
Kiwirail should never have tied the ordering of replacement ferries to
the upgrade of port facilities.
There are two separate issues here - replacing existing ferries and
upgrading port facilities. Just get on with both of them now.
In article <jdggajhvjlat80do0n71pqaot5crodg673@4ax.com>, >nogood@dontbother.invalid says...Other than, of course, the project was heading to $3B overrun. That was the reason for cancellation and still makes sense.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/22/interislander-ferries-in-better-condition-than-expected-report-finds/
While the Union has some concerns - about disaster rescue planning,
not ferry replacement - it looks like the cancellation of the iRex
project was a good decision.
Kiwirail should never have tied the ordering of replacement ferries to
the upgrade of port facilities.
There are two separate issues here - replacing existing ferries and
upgrading port facilities. Just get on with both of them now.
"get on with both of them now" is exactly what the iRex project was. It
was replacing the existing ferries and upgrading port facilities.
If both jobs are being done at around the same time then it makes sense
to design the port to suit whatever ferry design best meets current and >future needs, rather than constraining ferry design to a 1960s port that
will soon be irrlelevant.
So the only thing that would make the cancellation of the iRex project a
good decision is if one of those two projects simply didn't need to be
done for another few decades.
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <jdggajhvjlat80do0n71pqaot5crodg673@4ax.com>, >>nogood@dontbother.invalid says...Other than, of course, the project was heading to $3B overrun. That was the >reason for cancellation and still makes sense.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/22/interislander-ferries-in-better-condition-than-expected-report-finds/
While the Union has some concerns - about disaster rescue planning,
not ferry replacement - it looks like the cancellation of the iRex
project was a good decision.
Kiwirail should never have tied the ordering of replacement ferries to
the upgrade of port facilities.
There are two separate issues here - replacing existing ferries and
upgrading port facilities. Just get on with both of them now.
"get on with both of them now" is exactly what the iRex project was. It
was replacing the existing ferries and upgrading port facilities.
If both jobs are being done at around the same time then it makes sense
to design the port to suit whatever ferry design best meets current and >>future needs, rather than constraining ferry design to a 1960s port that >>will soon be irrlelevant.
So the only thing that would make the cancellation of the iRex project a >>good decision is if one of those two projects simply didn't need to be
done for another few decades.
On Wed, 31 Jul 2024 03:22:52 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe two projects were deliberately linked by the last government and were destined to overspend by $3B. That is all, and more than sufficient to justify cancellation of both pending the promised reveiw - that is what prudent people do and on this occasion actually did.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
David Goodwin <david+usenet@zx.net.nz> wrote:
In article <jdggajhvjlat80do0n71pqaot5crodg673@4ax.com>, >>>nogood@dontbother.invalid says...Other than, of course, the project was heading to $3B overrun. That was the >>reason for cancellation and still makes sense.
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/22/interislander-ferries-in-better-condition-than-expected-report-finds/
While the Union has some concerns - about disaster rescue planning,
not ferry replacement - it looks like the cancellation of the iRex
project was a good decision.
Kiwirail should never have tied the ordering of replacement ferries to >>>> the upgrade of port facilities.
There are two separate issues here - replacing existing ferries and
upgrading port facilities. Just get on with both of them now.
"get on with both of them now" is exactly what the iRex project was. It >>>was replacing the existing ferries and upgrading port facilities.
If both jobs are being done at around the same time then it makes sense >>>to design the port to suit whatever ferry design best meets current and >>>future needs, rather than constraining ferry design to a 1960s port that >>>will soon be irrlelevant.
So the only thing that would make the cancellation of the iRex project a >>>good decision is if one of those two projects simply didn't need to be >>>done for another few decades.
there were two projects - the port upgrades for earthquakes and local
safety and for more modern ships was (as such projects usually do)
going above initial estimates as inflation affected various
components, and I suspect also as local areas tried to get other
improvements included - some was roading for example. But the
government cancelled the ships that will now cost significantly more
to purchase, and while the current ships are nearing end of life. Did
the government cancel the wrong project?
In article <jdggajhvjlat80do0n71pqaot5crodg673@4ax.com>, >nogood@dontbother.invalid says...
https://www.1news.co.nz/2024/07/22/interislander-ferries-in-better-condition-than-expected-report-finds/
While the Union has some concerns - about disaster rescue planning,
not ferry replacement - it looks like the cancellation of the iRex
project was a good decision.
Kiwirail should never have tied the ordering of replacement ferries to
the upgrade of port facilities.
There are two separate issues here - replacing existing ferries and
upgrading port facilities. Just get on with both of them now.
"get on with both of them now" is exactly what the iRex project was. It
was replacing the existing ferries and upgrading port facilities.
If both jobs are being done at around the same time then it makes sense
to design the port to suit whatever ferry design best meets current and >future needs, rather than constraining ferry design to a 1960s port that
will soon be irrlelevant.
So the only thing that would make the cancellation of the iRex project a
good decision is if one of those two projects simply didn't need to be
done for another few decades.
The two projects were deliberately linked by the last government ...
On Wed, 31 Jul 2024 07:12:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:"We" are in the business of truth, what business are you in?
The two projects were deliberately linked by the last government ...
Are we still in blame-the-previous-Government mode? Hasn’t the current >Government been able to take responsibility for its own actions (or lack
of them) yet?
On Wed, 31 Jul 2024 07:12:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
The two projects were deliberately linked by the last government ...
Are we still in blame-the-previous-Government mode? Hasn’t the current >Government been able to take responsibility for its own actions (or lack
of them) yet?
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jul 2024 07:12:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
The two projects were deliberately linked by the last government ...
Are we still in blame-the-previous-Government mode? Hasn’t the current
Government been able to take responsibility for its own actions (or
lack of them) yet?
"We" are in the business of [bullshit dissembling]
On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 07:32:12 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:Irrelevant nonsense.
Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 31 Jul 2024 07:12:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony wrote:
The two projects were deliberately linked by the last government ...
Are we still in blame-the-previous-Government mode? Hasn’t the current >>> Government been able to take responsibility for its own actions (or
lack of them) yet?
"We" are in the business of truth.
You realize (sic) that NatActIrst (sic) is already one-quarter of the way >through its
term? When do you think they are going to exit blame mode and actually >knuckle down on all these problems they promised to solve?
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