For the climate alarmists. It appears that the Arctic sea ice continues to >increase, despiote the desires of those who believe there is a climate >emergency. >https://x.com/wideawake_media/status/1818623888852660356?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1818623888852660356%7Ctwgr%5Ecf270d8c82230575730fd38e210b1d75a4c07507%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwaikanaewatch.org%2FThanks for that link Tony; I note it is from 6 months ago - we are
On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 19:59:25 -0000 (UTC), TonyNotwithstanding those off topic comments, therte is no evidence that the changes are man made is there?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
For the climate alarmists. It appears that the Arctic sea ice continues to >>increase, despiote the desires of those who believe there is a climate >>emergency. >>https://x.com/wideawake_media/status/1818623888852660356?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1818623888852660356%7Ctwgr%5Ecf270d8c82230575730fd38e210b1d75a4c07507%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwaikanaewatch.org%2FThanks for that link Tony; I note it is from 6 months ago - we are
starting to see bigger changes in short period of time, and changes in
the arctic are not the same as in the Antarctic - it does appear that
world climate is changing more rapidly than many had predicted.
One theory has been that the magnetic poles may be shifting, and that
may cause a reversal of currents in the Pacific - potentially leading
to colder temperatures for the UIK and Europe, and warmer temperatures
for New Zealand, but there does not seem to be much discussion on
those changes.
On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 22:04:50 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo scientific proof of either of those has ever been produced in this newsgroup or anywhere else. Show otherwise of clear off.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Some believe there are, but I suspect it is far less clear than
On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 19:59:25 -0000 (UTC), TonyNotwithstanding those off topic comments, therte is no evidence that the >>changes are man made is there?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
For the climate alarmists. It appears that the Arctic sea ice continues to >>>>increase, despiote the desires of those who believe there is a climate >>>>emergency. >>>>https://x.com/wideawake_media/status/1818623888852660356?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1818623888852660356%7Ctwgr%5Ecf270d8c82230575730fd38e210b1d75a4c07507%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwaikanaewatch.org%2FThanks for that link Tony; I note it is from 6 months ago - we are >>>starting to see bigger changes in short period of time, and changes in >>>the arctic are not the same as in the Antarctic - it does appear that >>>world climate is changing more rapidly than many had predicted.
One theory has been that the magnetic poles may be shifting, and that
may cause a reversal of currents in the Pacific - potentially leading
to colder temperatures for the UIK and Europe, and warmer temperatures >>>for New Zealand, but there does not seem to be much discussion on
those changes.
climate change being influenced by actions of mankind.
Seasonal changes are not part of this discussion and you know it.6 months is less than a single thought in a lifetime of thinking.But long enough to be a different season of the year . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Some believe there are, but I suspect it is far less clear than
On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 19:59:25 -0000 (UTC), TonyNotwithstanding those off topic comments, therte is no evidence that the >changes are man made is there?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
For the climate alarmists. It appears that the Arctic sea ice continues to >>>increase, despiote the desires of those who believe there is a climate >>>emergency. >>>https://x.com/wideawake_media/status/1818623888852660356?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1818623888852660356%7Ctwgr%5Ecf270d8c82230575730fd38e210b1d75a4c07507%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwaikanaewatch.org%2FThanks for that link Tony; I note it is from 6 months ago - we are
starting to see bigger changes in short period of time, and changes in
the arctic are not the same as in the Antarctic - it does appear that
world climate is changing more rapidly than many had predicted.
One theory has been that the magnetic poles may be shifting, and that
may cause a reversal of currents in the Pacific - potentially leading
to colder temperatures for the UIK and Europe, and warmer temperatures
for New Zealand, but there does not seem to be much discussion on
those changes.
6 months is less than a single thought in a lifetime of thinking.But long enough to be a different season of the year . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 22:04:50 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo scientific proof of either of those has ever been produced in this newsgroup
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Some believe there are, but I suspect it is far less clear than
On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 19:59:25 -0000 (UTC), TonyNotwithstanding those off topic comments, therte is no evidence that the >>>changes are man made is there?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
For the climate alarmists. It appears that the Arctic sea ice continues to >>>>>increase, despiote the desires of those who believe there is a climate >>>>>emergency. >>>>>https://x.com/wideawake_media/status/1818623888852660356?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1818623888852660356%7Ctwgr%5Ecf270d8c82230575730fd38e210b1d75a4c07507%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwaikanaewatch.org%2FThanks for that link Tony; I note it is from 6 months ago - we are >>>>starting to see bigger changes in short period of time, and changes in >>>>the arctic are not the same as in the Antarctic - it does appear that >>>>world climate is changing more rapidly than many had predicted.
One theory has been that the magnetic poles may be shifting, and that >>>>may cause a reversal of currents in the Pacific - potentially leading >>>>to colder temperatures for the UIK and Europe, and warmer temperatures >>>>for New Zealand, but there does not seem to be much discussion on
those changes.
climate change being influenced by actions of mankind.
or anywhere else. Show otherwise of clear off.
Seasonal changes are not part of this discussion and you know it.
6 months is less than a single thought in a lifetime of thinking.But long enough to be a different season of the year . . .
On Fri, 2 Aug 2024 03:57:47 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo that is incorrect. Provide evidence or shut up.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 22:04:50 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo scientific proof of either of those has ever been produced in this >>newsgroup
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Some believe there are, but I suspect it is far less clear than
On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 19:59:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Notwithstanding those off topic comments, therte is no evidence that the >>>>changes are man made is there?
For the climate alarmists. It appears that the Arctic sea ice continues >>>>>>toThanks for that link Tony; I note it is from 6 months ago - we are >>>>>starting to see bigger changes in short period of time, and changes in >>>>>the arctic are not the same as in the Antarctic - it does appear that >>>>>world climate is changing more rapidly than many had predicted.
increase, despiote the desires of those who believe there is a climate >>>>>>emergency. >>>>>>https://x.com/wideawake_media/status/1818623888852660356?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1818623888852660356%7Ctwgr%5Ecf270d8c82230575730fd38e210b1d75a4c07507%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwaikanaewatch.org%2F
One theory has been that the magnetic poles may be shifting, and that >>>>>may cause a reversal of currents in the Pacific - potentially leading >>>>>to colder temperatures for the UIK and Europe, and warmer temperatures >>>>>for New Zealand, but there does not seem to be much discussion on >>>>>those changes.
climate change being influenced by actions of mankind.
or anywhere else. Show otherwise of clear off.
Seasonal changes are not part of this discussion and you know it.
6 months is less than a single thought in a lifetime of thinking.But long enough to be a different season of the year . . .
They may explain two different results for the two Poles . . .
On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 19:59:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
For the climate alarmists. It appears that the Arctic sea ice continues to >>increase, despiote the desires of those who believe there is a climate >>emergency. >>https://x.com/wideawake_media/status/1818623888852660356?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1818623888852660356%7Ctwgr%5Ecf270d8c82230575730fd38e210b1d75a4c07507%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwaikanaewatch.org%2FThanks for that link Tony; I note it is from 6 months ago - we are
starting to see bigger changes in short period of time, and changes in
the arctic are not the same as in the Antarctic - it does appear that
world climate is changing more rapidly than many had predicted.
One theory has been that the magnetic poles may be shifting, and that
may cause a reversal of currents in the Pacific - potentially leading
to colder temperatures for the UIK and Europe, and warmer temperatures
for New Zealand, but there does not seem to be much discussion on
those changes.
On 2024-08-01, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I have not seen such a claim, but sea water has boiled in exceptional circumstances - the recent volcanic activity in the Pacific is the
On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 19:59:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
For the climate alarmists. It appears that the Arctic sea ice continues to >>>increase, despiote the desires of those who believe there is a climate >>>emergency. >>>https://x.com/wideawake_media/status/1818623888852660356?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1818623888852660356%7Ctwgr%5Ecf270d8c82230575730fd38e210b1d75a4c07507%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwaikanaewatch.org%2FThanks for that link Tony; I note it is from 6 months ago - we are
starting to see bigger changes in short period of time, and changes in
the arctic are not the same as in the Antarctic - it does appear that
world climate is changing more rapidly than many had predicted.
One theory has been that the magnetic poles may be shifting, and that
may cause a reversal of currents in the Pacific - potentially leading
to colder temperatures for the UIK and Europe, and warmer temperatures
for New Zealand, but there does not seem to be much discussion on
those changes.
No we are not! Even the oceans are not boiling away, as claimed by some >Climate Emergency chap.
The glaicer in Greenland which was a poster child for the alarmists suddenly >went into advance mode.Our southern glaciers appear to still be retreating - perhaps this is
More recently the cold air over Antartica has gone into a wobble which is is >affecting the weather.And it is hard to identify short term wobbles from longer term trends.
On 3 Aug 2024 03:12:16 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Nothing to do with climate change or the topic.
On 2024-08-01, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I have not seen such a claim, but sea water has boiled in exceptional >circumstances - the recent volcanic activity in the Pacific is the
On Thu, 1 Aug 2024 19:59:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
For the climate alarmists. It appears that the Arctic sea ice continues to >>>>increase, despiote the desires of those who believe there is a climate >>>>emergency. >>>>https://x.com/wideawake_media/status/1818623888852660356?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1818623888852660356%7Ctwgr%5Ecf270d8c82230575730fd38e210b1d75a4c07507%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwaikanaewatch.org%2FThanks for that link Tony; I note it is from 6 months ago - we are
starting to see bigger changes in short period of time, and changes in
the arctic are not the same as in the Antarctic - it does appear that
world climate is changing more rapidly than many had predicted.
One theory has been that the magnetic poles may be shifting, and that
may cause a reversal of currents in the Pacific - potentially leading
to colder temperatures for the UIK and Europe, and warmer temperatures
for New Zealand, but there does not seem to be much discussion on
those changes.
No we are not! Even the oceans are not boiling away, as claimed by some >>Climate Emergency chap.
only example I can think of. Certainly however evaporation from seas
is a major source of water content in our atmosphere that eventually
falls as rain - evaporation does not of course require water to be
boiling.
It always has been. geez, the climates and geology are completely different.The glaicer in Greenland which was a poster child for the alarmists suddenly >>went into advance mode.Our southern glaciers appear to still be retreating - perhaps this is
a further example of what happens near the North Pole being different
at the South Pole.
What long term trends - do tell!More recently the cold air over Antartica has gone into a wobble which is is >>affecting the weather.And it is hard to identify short term wobbles from longer term trends.
We do however have a reasonable level of consensus about the need forThere is no agreement that we must keep to, not one!
us to meet the agreed emissions targets relating to Climate Change
within the National, Labour, Green and Te Parti Maori - it is not
clear what ACT or NZ First think, but they are relatively small. That
is good as a lot of Trade depends on our country being seen as
supportive of the Agreement that NZ signed up to : >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/paula-bennett-signs-historic-climate-change-agreement/UBODDVDRZUUVXZTRGL54LARSH4/
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