On 2024-08-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Exactly. Labour and National have equal responsibility for this. Only fools and horses believe differently.
Pertinent comment here:This will be one of many articles explaining why the other sides actions
https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2024/08/reaping-what-they-sowed.html
have caused all this and they have not done anything to cause the present >situation.
Meanwhile the lights are likely to go out and the fix will set us up fot the >next disaster.
Pertinent comment here:
https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2024/08/reaping-what-they-sowed.html
Pertinent comment here:
https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2024/08/reaping-what-they-sowed.html
On 2024-08-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Pertinent comment here:This will be one of many articles explaining why the other sides actions
https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2024/08/reaping-what-they-sowed.html
have caused all this and they have not done anything to cause the present >situation.
Meanwhile the lights are likely to go out and the fix will set us up fot the >next disaster.
On 8 Aug 2024 23:28:27 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:That is not how commerce works. If it was many companies would fail.
On 2024-08-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Pertinent comment here:This will be one of many articles explaining why the other sides actions >>have caused all this and they have not done anything to cause the present >>situation.
https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2024/08/reaping-what-they-sowed.html
Meanwhile the lights are likely to go out and the fix will set us up fot the >>next disaster.
I agree, Gordon. This part in particular points out the issue, and
the lack of an easy answer:
"Their sole legal duty is to make a profit for their shareholders, by
gouging as much money as they can from their customers.
If JonesWhich it is not!
doesn't like that, and wants an electricity system that works for us,
rather than being a price-gouging cartel
, he knows the answer:Nobody stole anything.
re-nationalise it, and take back what National stole."
While it is easy to say "re-nationalise," in practice if you want toAll of which are a direct result of the mismanagement of this country by the last government more than anything that this government has done. Wow, you are getting desperate.
retain any confidence that as a country we are trustworthy, that needs
be done by compensating the current shareholders at least the current
market value, and the value of a near monopoly is of course higher
than in a competitive market. The other way is to first require a
Telecom type split - probably of generation from distribution to make
the problem slightly smaller, but also to introduce a competitor -
which realistically would be the government itself. Unfortunately at
present our government has other priorities (tax reductions for
property owners, helping set up Charter Schools, and of course "More
Roads!") The next government will have priorities of rescuing a
public health system, rescuing education, restoring a rail connection
from the Nth to Sth Islands, finding money to pay international
obligations under Climate Change agreements, and fixing near bankrupt
local authorities and restoring clean reliable water supplies.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So which of the oligopoly companies is looking to fail, Tony?
On 8 Aug 2024 23:28:27 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:That is not how commerce works. If it was many companies would fail.
On 2024-08-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Pertinent comment here:This will be one of many articles explaining why the other sides actions >>>have caused all this and they have not done anything to cause the present >>>situation.
https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2024/08/reaping-what-they-sowed.html
Meanwhile the lights are likely to go out and the fix will set us up fot the >>>next disaster.
I agree, Gordon. This part in particular points out the issue, and
the lack of an easy answer:
"Their sole legal duty is to make a profit for their shareholders, by >>gouging as much money as they can from their customers.
Argue with the author - I merely quoted the article. Cartel orIf JonesWhich it is not!
doesn't like that, and wants an electricity system that works for us, >>rather than being a price-gouging cartel
One National Government sold off Contact, a later National Government, he knows the answer:Nobody stole anything.
re-nationalise it, and take back what National stole."
All of which are a direct result of the mismanagement of this country by the >last government more than anything that this government has done. Wow, you are >getting desperate.
While it is easy to say "re-nationalise," in practice if you want to
retain any confidence that as a country we are trustworthy, that needs
be done by compensating the current shareholders at least the current >>market value, and the value of a near monopoly is of course higher
than in a competitive market. The other way is to first require a
Telecom type split - probably of generation from distribution to make
the problem slightly smaller, but also to introduce a competitor -
which realistically would be the government itself. Unfortunately at >>present our government has other priorities (tax reductions for
property owners, helping set up Charter Schools, and of course "More >>Roads!") The next government will have priorities of rescuing a
public health system, rescuing education, restoring a rail connection
from the Nth to Sth Islands, finding money to pay international
obligations under Climate Change agreements, and fixing near bankrupt
local authorities and restoring clean reliable water supplies.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 9 Aug 2024 04:19:11 -0000 (UTC), TonyProbably none because I don't know which ones you are referring to. But in any >event I was referring to businesses in general - but you knew that.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So which of the oligopoly companies is looking to fail, Tony?
On 8 Aug 2024 23:28:27 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:That is not how commerce works. If it was many companies would fail.
On 2024-08-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Pertinent comment here:This will be one of many articles explaining why the other sides actions >>>>>have caused all this and they have not done anything to cause the present >>>>>situation.
https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2024/08/reaping-what-they-sowed.html >>>>>>
Meanwhile the lights are likely to go out and the fix will set us up fot the
next disaster.
I agree, Gordon. This part in particular points out the issue, and
the lack of an easy answer:
"Their sole legal duty is to make a profit for their shareholders, by >>>>gouging as much money as they can from their customers.
It is neither, as I said.Argue with the author - I merely quoted the article. Cartel orIf JonesWhich it is not!
doesn't like that, and wants an electricity system that works for us, >>>>rather than being a price-gouging cartel
oligopoly - which description is more accurate, Tony?
That is not what happened - you are lying.
One National Government sold off Contact, a later National Government, he knows the answer:Nobody stole anything.
re-nationalise it, and take back what National stole."
sold half of the rest of the companies, creating through legislation a >>group of shareholders who have made well above average returns year
after year, at the expense of the vast majority of the population, who >>received no compensation for a considerably higher cost of electricity
- sounds like stealing, looks like stealing - certainly it was very
far from an open market fair trade . . . . Most of the population lost
to the private shareholders who were able to raise the money quite
quickly when the shares were offered - how is doing favours for
friends at the expense of the rest of the country any different from
theft? - Legal theft of course, but still value was certainly given to
some at the expense of the rest . . .
All of which are a direct result of the mismanagement of this country by the >>>last government more than anything that this government has done. Wow, you >>>are
While it is easy to say "re-nationalise," in practice if you want to >>>>retain any confidence that as a country we are trustworthy, that needs >>>>be done by compensating the current shareholders at least the current >>>>market value, and the value of a near monopoly is of course higher
than in a competitive market. The other way is to first require a >>>>Telecom type split - probably of generation from distribution to make >>>>the problem slightly smaller, but also to introduce a competitor - >>>>which realistically would be the government itself. Unfortunately at >>>>present our government has other priorities (tax reductions for >>>>property owners, helping set up Charter Schools, and of course "More >>>>Roads!") The next government will have priorities of rescuing a >>>>public health system, rescuing education, restoring a rail connection >>>>from the Nth to Sth Islands, finding money to pay international >>>>obligations under Climate Change agreements, and fixing near bankrupt >>>>local authorities and restoring clean reliable water supplies.
getting desperate.
On Fri, 9 Aug 2024 04:19:11 -0000 (UTC), TonyProbably none because I don't know which ones you are referring to. But in any event I was referring to businesses in general - but you knew that.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So which of the oligopoly companies is looking to fail, Tony?
On 8 Aug 2024 23:28:27 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:That is not how commerce works. If it was many companies would fail.
On 2024-08-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Pertinent comment here:This will be one of many articles explaining why the other sides actions >>>>have caused all this and they have not done anything to cause the present >>>>situation.
https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2024/08/reaping-what-they-sowed.html >>>>>
Meanwhile the lights are likely to go out and the fix will set us up fot the
next disaster.
I agree, Gordon. This part in particular points out the issue, and
the lack of an easy answer:
"Their sole legal duty is to make a profit for their shareholders, by >>>gouging as much money as they can from their customers.
It is neither, as I said.Argue with the author - I merely quoted the article. Cartel orIf JonesWhich it is not!
doesn't like that, and wants an electricity system that works for us, >>>rather than being a price-gouging cartel
oligopoly - which description is more accurate, Tony?
That is not what happened - you are lying.One National Government sold off Contact, a later National Government, he knows the answer:Nobody stole anything.
re-nationalise it, and take back what National stole."
sold half of the rest of the companies, creating through legislation a
group of shareholders who have made well above average returns year
after year, at the expense of the vast majority of the population, who >received no compensation for a considerably higher cost of electricity
- sounds like stealing, looks like stealing - certainly it was very
far from an open market fair trade . . . . Most of the population lost
to the private shareholders who were able to raise the money quite
quickly when the shares were offered - how is doing favours for
friends at the expense of the rest of the country any different from
theft? - Legal theft of course, but still value was certainly given to
some at the expense of the rest . . .
All of which are a direct result of the mismanagement of this country by the >>last government more than anything that this government has done. Wow, you >>are
While it is easy to say "re-nationalise," in practice if you want to >>>retain any confidence that as a country we are trustworthy, that needs
be done by compensating the current shareholders at least the current >>>market value, and the value of a near monopoly is of course higher
than in a competitive market. The other way is to first require a
Telecom type split - probably of generation from distribution to make
the problem slightly smaller, but also to introduce a competitor -
which realistically would be the government itself. Unfortunately at >>>present our government has other priorities (tax reductions for
property owners, helping set up Charter Schools, and of course "More >>>Roads!") The next government will have priorities of rescuing a
public health system, rescuing education, restoring a rail connection >>>from the Nth to Sth Islands, finding money to pay international >>>obligations under Climate Change agreements, and fixing near bankrupt >>>local authorities and restoring clean reliable water supplies.
getting desperate.
On Fri, 9 Aug 2024 07:21:24 -0000 (UTC), TonyLogic is not something that Rich permits to influence his thoughts or actions. >>>
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 9 Aug 2024 04:19:11 -0000 (UTC), TonyProbably none because I don't know which ones you are referring to. But in >>any
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So which of the oligopoly companies is looking to fail, Tony?
On 8 Aug 2024 23:28:27 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:That is not how commerce works. If it was many companies would fail.
On 2024-08-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Pertinent comment here:This will be one of many articles explaining why the other sides actions >>>>>>have caused all this and they have not done anything to cause the present >>>>>>situation.
https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2024/08/reaping-what-they-sowed.html >>>>>>>
Meanwhile the lights are likely to go out and the fix will set us up fot >>>>>>the
next disaster.
I agree, Gordon. This part in particular points out the issue, and >>>>>the lack of an easy answer:
"Their sole legal duty is to make a profit for their shareholders, by >>>>>gouging as much money as they can from their customers.
event I was referring to businesses in general - but you knew that.
It is neither, as I said.Argue with the author - I merely quoted the article. Cartel orIf JonesWhich it is not!
doesn't like that, and wants an electricity system that works for us, >>>>>rather than being a price-gouging cartel
oligopoly - which description is more accurate, Tony?
That is not what happened - you are lying.
One National Government sold off Contact, a later National Government >>>sold half of the rest of the companies, creating through legislation a >>>group of shareholders who have made well above average returns year, he knows the answer:Nobody stole anything.
re-nationalise it, and take back what National stole."
after year, at the expense of the vast majority of the population, who >>>received no compensation for a considerably higher cost of electricity
- sounds like stealing, looks like stealing - certainly it was very
far from an open market fair trade . . . . Most of the population lost
to the private shareholders who were able to raise the money quite >>>quickly when the shares were offered - how is doing favours for
friends at the expense of the rest of the country any different from >>>theft? - Legal theft of course, but still value was certainly given to >>>some at the expense of the rest . . .
Quite right Tony. As I pointed out elsewhere in this thread, which
Rich has chosen to ignore so far as what I have said cannot be
logically rebutted by anti-government rhetoric.
All of which are a direct result of the mismanagement of this country by >>>>the
While it is easy to say "re-nationalise," in practice if you want to >>>>>retain any confidence that as a country we are trustworthy, that needs >>>>>be done by compensating the current shareholders at least the current >>>>>market value, and the value of a near monopoly is of course higher >>>>>than in a competitive market. The other way is to first require a >>>>>Telecom type split - probably of generation from distribution to make >>>>>the problem slightly smaller, but also to introduce a competitor - >>>>>which realistically would be the government itself. Unfortunately at >>>>>present our government has other priorities (tax reductions for >>>>>property owners, helping set up Charter Schools, and of course "More >>>>>Roads!") The next government will have priorities of rescuing a >>>>>public health system, rescuing education, restoring a rail connection >>>>>from the Nth to Sth Islands, finding money to pay international >>>>>obligations under Climate Change agreements, and fixing near bankrupt >>>>>local authorities and restoring clean reliable water supplies.
last government more than anything that this government has done. Wow, you >>>>are
getting desperate.
--
Crash McBash
Pertinent comment here:
https://norightturn.blogspot.com/2024/08/reaping-what-they-sowed.html
| Sysop: | Keyop |
|---|---|
| Location: | Huddersfield, West Yorkshire, UK |
| Users: | 546 |
| Nodes: | 16 (2 / 14) |
| Uptime: | 13:17:15 |
| Calls: | 10,389 |
| Calls today: | 4 |
| Files: | 14,061 |
| Messages: | 6,416,887 |
| Posted today: | 1 |