Interesting to see quite an about-turn on the part of the Act party
over how to fund healthcare ><https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/david-seymours-whole-of-society-plan-for-tipping-millions-of-dollars-more-in-to-pharmac-and-big-pharma/6G4YGG76SRDIHHPVHAVZVOKPQA/>:
even the most rabidly pro-free-market of our political parties
realizes that a US-style market-driven approach to healthcare funding
is a disaster. And the party that once tried to cut Pharmac off at the
knees is now very careful to ensure the agency gets enough money.
On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 23:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro ><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Interesting to see quite an about-turn on the part of the Act party
over how to fund healthcare >><https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/david-seymours-whole-of-society-plan-for-tipping-millions-of-dollars-more-in-to-pharmac-and-big-pharma/6G4YGG76SRDIHHPVHAVZVOKPQA/>:
even the most rabidly pro-free-market of our political parties
realizes that a US-style market-driven approach to healthcare funding
is a disaster. And the party that once tried to cut Pharmac off at the >>knees is now very careful to ensure the agency gets enough money.
So is healthcare a human right or a commodity?
Bill.
On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:53:40 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 23:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Interesting to see quite an about-turn on the part of the Act party
over how to fund healthcare >>><https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/david-seymours-whole-of-society-plan-for-tipping-millions-of-dollars-more-in-to-pharmac-and-big-pharma/6G4YGG76SRDIHHPVHAVZVOKPQA/>:
even the most rabidly pro-free-market of our political parties
realizes that a US-style market-driven approach to healthcare funding
is a disaster. And the party that once tried to cut Pharmac off at the >>>knees is now very careful to ensure the agency gets enough money.
So is healthcare a human right or a commodity?
Bill.
At a minimum level, it should definitely be considered a human right.
No country could afford to provide high levels of care and support for
all health services; most countries require personal payment for some >services such as cosmetic surgery for personal preference reasons.
Overall, lower levels of service from government lead to poorer
outcomes for those countries - the USA is an example of overall costs
being about three times per head of population than countries like New >Zealand for similar levels of healthcare.
On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:06:14 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>Define human right, and define commodity. I suspect if you take the
wrote:
On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:53:40 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 23:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Interesting to see quite an about-turn on the part of the Act party >>>>over how to fund healthcare >>>><https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/david-seymours-whole-of-society-plan-for-tipping-millions-of-dollars-more-in-to-pharmac-and-big-pharma/6G4YGG76SRDIHHPVHAVZVOKPQA/>:
even the most rabidly pro-free-market of our political parties
realizes that a US-style market-driven approach to healthcare funding >>>>is a disaster. And the party that once tried to cut Pharmac off at the >>>>knees is now very careful to ensure the agency gets enough money.
So is healthcare a human right or a commodity?
Bill.
At a minimum level, it should definitely be considered a human right.
What do you mean "consider" it a human right? Either it is or it
isn't. It can't be both.
I am sure we will all have a little more knowledge from yourNo country could afford to provide high levels of care and support for
all health services; most countries require personal payment for some >>services such as cosmetic surgery for personal preference reasons.
Overall, lower levels of service from government lead to poorer
outcomes for those countries - the USA is an example of overall costs
being about three times per head of population than countries like New >>Zealand for similar levels of healthcare.
Meaningless political waffle. Do you even know the difference between
a human right and a commodity?
Bill.
On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:03:37 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:06:14 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:Define human right, and define commodity. I suspect if you take the
On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:53:40 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 23:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Interesting to see quite an about-turn on the part of the Act party >>>>>over how to fund healthcare >>>>><https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/david-seymours-whole-of-society-plan-for-tipping-millions-of-dollars-more-in-to-pharmac-and-big-pharma/6G4YGG76SRDIHHPVHAVZVOKPQA/>:
even the most rabidly pro-free-market of our political parties >>>>>realizes that a US-style market-driven approach to healthcare funding >>>>>is a disaster. And the party that once tried to cut Pharmac off at the >>>>>knees is now very careful to ensure the agency gets enough money.
So is healthcare a human right or a commodity?
Bill.
At a minimum level, it should definitely be considered a human right.
What do you mean "consider" it a human right? Either it is or it
isn't. It can't be both.
leaders of each political party they would interpret them differently.
No country could afford to provide high levels of care and support for >>>all health services; most countries require personal payment for some >>>services such as cosmetic surgery for personal preference reasons. >>>Overall, lower levels of service from government lead to poorer
outcomes for those countries - the USA is an example of overall costs >>>being about three times per head of population than countries like New >>>Zealand for similar levels of healthcare.
Meaningless political waffle. Do you even know the difference between
a human right and a commodity?
I am sure we will all have a little more knowledge from your
definitions . . .
On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 22:35:00 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>I was asking BR for his view so that the responses could relate
wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:03:37 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:06:14 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:Define human right, and define commodity. I suspect if you take the
On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:53:40 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 23:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>>><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Interesting to see quite an about-turn on the part of the Act party >>>>>>over how to fund healthcare >>>>>><https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/david-seymours-whole-of-society-plan-for-tipping-millions-of-dollars-more-in-to-pharmac-and-big-pharma/6G4YGG76SRDIHHPVHAVZVOKPQA/>:
even the most rabidly pro-free-market of our political parties >>>>>>realizes that a US-style market-driven approach to healthcare funding >>>>>>is a disaster. And the party that once tried to cut Pharmac off at the >>>>>>knees is now very careful to ensure the agency gets enough money.
So is healthcare a human right or a commodity?
Bill.
At a minimum level, it should definitely be considered a human right.
What do you mean "consider" it a human right? Either it is or it
isn't. It can't be both.
leaders of each political party they would interpret them differently.
I am not interested in what politicians say they believe.
No country could afford to provide high levels of care and support for >>>>all health services; most countries require personal payment for some >>>>services such as cosmetic surgery for personal preference reasons. >>>>Overall, lower levels of service from government lead to poorer >>>>outcomes for those countries - the USA is an example of overall costs >>>>being about three times per head of population than countries like New >>>>Zealand for similar levels of healthcare.
Meaningless political waffle. Do you even know the difference between
a human right and a commodity?
I am sure we will all have a little more knowledge from your
definitions . . .
A commodity is something that is in limited supply and can be measured
in monetary terms. A human right is none of that.
Bill.
On Fri, 16 Aug 2024 18:12:45 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 22:35:00 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:I was asking BR for his view so that the responses could relate
On Thu, 15 Aug 2024 21:03:37 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 18:06:14 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:Define human right, and define commodity. I suspect if you take the >>>leaders of each political party they would interpret them differently.
On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 17:53:40 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Tue, 13 Aug 2024 23:39:12 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro >>>>>><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:
Interesting to see quite an about-turn on the part of the Act party >>>>>>>over how to fund healthcare >>>>>>><https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/david-seymours-whole-of-society-plan-for-tipping-millions-of-dollars-more-in-to-pharmac-and-big-pharma/6G4YGG76SRDIHHPVHAVZVOKPQA/>:
even the most rabidly pro-free-market of our political parties >>>>>>>realizes that a US-style market-driven approach to healthcare funding >>>>>>>is a disaster. And the party that once tried to cut Pharmac off at the >>>>>>>knees is now very careful to ensure the agency gets enough money.
So is healthcare a human right or a commodity?
Bill.
At a minimum level, it should definitely be considered a human right.
What do you mean "consider" it a human right? Either it is or it
isn't. It can't be both.
I am not interested in what politicians say they believe.
reasonably to the question. I suspect that if you take three posters
to nz.general at random they would have at least two interpretations
of those words
No country could afford to provide high levels of care and support for >>>>>all health services; most countries require personal payment for some >>>>>services such as cosmetic surgery for personal preference reasons. >>>>>Overall, lower levels of service from government lead to poorer >>>>>outcomes for those countries - the USA is an example of overall costs >>>>>being about three times per head of population than countries like New >>>>>Zealand for similar levels of healthcare.
Meaningless political waffle. Do you even know the difference between
a human right and a commodity?
I am sure we will all have a little more knowledge from your
definitions . . .
A commodity is something that is in limited supply and can be measured
in monetary terms. A human right is none of that.
Bill.
The question was "So is healthcare a human right or a commodity" I am
not sure if you believe your definitions relate to that question.
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