• Taxpayers Union has got it wrong but for the right reasons

    From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 20 17:54:09 2024
    While rates inflation is a problem, Government intervention is NOT the
    answer:

    https://tinyurl.com/2nmxe8pk

    It is the responsibility of local ratepayers to hold their elected representatives to account on every aspect of local government. There
    is never any justification for Government to interfere in local
    government in any way, until the current criteria apply that requires
    the replacement of a local body with commissioners.

    If ratepayers are dissatisfied with council performance, the first
    recourse is the ballot box at local body elections. If you cannot
    find acceptable candidates, write in 'none of the above' and vote (it
    will count as an invalid vote, the higher the percentage of invalid
    votes the greater the impact).


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    Crash McBash

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Crash on Tue Aug 20 06:57:27 2024
    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    While rates inflation is a problem, Government intervention is NOT the >answer:

    https://tinyurl.com/2nmxe8pk

    It is the responsibility of local ratepayers to hold their elected >representatives to account on every aspect of local government. There
    is never any justification for Government to interfere in local
    government in any way, until the current criteria apply that requires
    the replacement of a local body with commissioners.

    If ratepayers are dissatisfied with council performance, the first
    recourse is the ballot box at local body elections. If you cannot
    find acceptable candidates, write in 'none of the above' and vote (it
    will count as an invalid vote, the higher the percentage of invalid
    votes the greater the impact).


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    Crash McBash
    Yes I agree.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 20 21:17:32 2024
    On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 17:54:09 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    While rates inflation is a problem, Government intervention is NOT the >answer:

    https://tinyurl.com/2nmxe8pk

    It is the responsibility of local ratepayers to hold their elected >representatives to account on every aspect of local government. There
    is never any justification for Government to interfere in local
    government in any way, until the current criteria apply that requires
    the replacement of a local body with commissioners.

    If ratepayers are dissatisfied with council performance, the first
    recourse is the ballot box at local body elections. If you cannot
    find acceptable candidates, write in 'none of the above' and vote (it
    will count as an invalid vote, the higher the percentage of invalid
    votes the greater the impact).

    I doubt that The Taxpayer Union expect Councils to be able to afford
    to lift rates by enough to pay for the effects of extreme weather
    events (roads and home buy-outs) and 3 water work without raising
    money somewhere - they want Councils to sell assets to their
    supporters - they see what happened when enough of the electricity
    generators were sold to create a cozy cartel; now they will be
    delighted to see part of Kiwibank sold to expand the cozy cartel of
    banks . . . - with Directors continuing to be required to maximise
    profits.

    Besides, the more the Government can foist costs onto Councils, the
    less has to be paid through income tax. Don't knock it - they really
    would like to get that top tax rate down . . . The biggest motivation
    for scrapping 3Waters was to have Councils increase rates or sell off
    assets to pay for water issues. Its called the "Right" Track!

    So what use is a wasted vote? Councils are subservient to the
    government. You may think that the NZ Taxpayer Union got it wrong,
    but as this article demonstrates, the party they support has been
    hugely successful in getting its policies through so far: http://werewolf.co.nz/2024/08/gordon-campbell-on-acts-takeover-of-the-government-agenda/

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 20 20:40:48 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 17:54:09 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    While rates inflation is a problem, Government intervention is NOT the >>answer:

    https://tinyurl.com/2nmxe8pk

    It is the responsibility of local ratepayers to hold their elected >>representatives to account on every aspect of local government. There
    is never any justification for Government to interfere in local
    government in any way, until the current criteria apply that requires
    the replacement of a local body with commissioners.

    If ratepayers are dissatisfied with council performance, the first
    recourse is the ballot box at local body elections. If you cannot
    find acceptable candidates, write in 'none of the above' and vote (it
    will count as an invalid vote, the higher the percentage of invalid
    votes the greater the impact).

    I doubt that The Taxpayer Union expect Councils to be able to afford
    to lift rates by enough to pay for the effects of extreme weather
    events (roads and home buy-outs) and 3 water work without raising
    money somewhere - they want Councils to sell assets to their
    supporters
    No evidence of that.
    - they see what happened when enough of the electricity
    generators were sold to create a cozy cartel;
    No such thing in NZ elecricity supply.
    now they will be
    delighted to see part of Kiwibank sold to expand the cozy cartel of
    banks . . . - with Directors continuing to be required to maximise
    profits.
    A lie.

    Besides, the more the Government can foist costs onto Councils, the
    less has to be paid through income tax. Don't knock it - they really
    would like to get that top tax rate down . . . The biggest motivation
    for scrapping 3Waters was to have Councils increase rates or sell off
    assets to pay for water issues. Its called the "Right" Track!
    A bare faced lie.

    So what use is a wasted vote? Councils are subservient to the
    government. You may think that the NZ Taxpayer Union got it wrong,
    but as this article demonstrates, the party they support
    They don't support any party, another often repeated lie.
    has been
    hugely successful in getting its policies through so far: >http://werewolf.co.nz/2024/08/gordon-campbell-on-acts-takeover-of-the-government-agenda/

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Crash on Tue Aug 20 22:14:16 2024
    On 2024-08-20, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    While rates inflation is a problem, Government intervention is NOT the answer:

    https://tinyurl.com/2nmxe8pk

    It is the responsibility of local ratepayers to hold their elected representatives to account on every aspect of local government. There
    is never any justification for Government to interfere in local
    government in any way, until the current criteria apply that requires
    the replacement of a local body with commissioners.

    If ratepayers are dissatisfied with council performance, the first
    recourse is the ballot box at local body elections. If you cannot
    find acceptable candidates, write in 'none of the above' and vote (it
    will count as an invalid vote, the higher the percentage of invalid
    votes the greater the impact).

    The democratic system does not "allow" for invalid votes as the assumption
    is that all the candiates standing will be of utmost standing.

    If there are not candiates suitable then the power is in ones hands, stand
    your self then there will be at least one candiate suitable to vote for.

    However one does have the right to remain silent.

    Certainly as a first step if the 60% plus non voters in Council elections actually vote none here to vote for it might start a conversation or revolution.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 21 13:14:32 2024
    On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 21:17:32 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 20 Aug 2024 17:54:09 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    While rates inflation is a problem, Government intervention is NOT the >>answer:

    https://tinyurl.com/2nmxe8pk

    It is the responsibility of local ratepayers to hold their elected >>representatives to account on every aspect of local government. There
    is never any justification for Government to interfere in local
    government in any way, until the current criteria apply that requires
    the replacement of a local body with commissioners.

    If ratepayers are dissatisfied with council performance, the first
    recourse is the ballot box at local body elections. If you cannot
    find acceptable candidates, write in 'none of the above' and vote (it
    will count as an invalid vote, the higher the percentage of invalid
    votes the greater the impact).

    I doubt that The Taxpayer Union expect Councils to be able to afford
    to lift rates by enough to pay for the effects of extreme weather
    events (roads and home buy-outs) and 3 water work without raising
    money somewhere - they want Councils to sell assets to their
    supporters - they see what happened when enough of the electricity
    generators were sold to create a cozy cartel; now they will be
    delighted to see part of Kiwibank sold to expand the cozy cartel of
    banks . . . - with Directors continuing to be required to maximise
    profits.

    Besides, the more the Government can foist costs onto Councils, the
    less has to be paid through income tax. Don't knock it - they really
    would like to get that top tax rate down . . . The biggest motivation
    for scrapping 3Waters was to have Councils increase rates or sell off
    assets to pay for water issues. Its called the "Right" Track!

    So what use is a wasted vote? Councils are subservient to the
    government. You may think that the NZ Taxpayer Union got it wrong,
    but as this article demonstrates, the party they support has been
    hugely successful in getting its policies through so far: >http://werewolf.co.nz/2024/08/gordon-campbell-on-acts-takeover-of-the-government-agenda/

    My OP and the Taxpayers Union campaign is not about any of this - it
    is simply about central government imposing arbitrary limits on rates
    rises, and my opposition to the concept. Local bodies should not be
    prohibited in any way when they are reaching decisions made by elected councilors.


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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to Gordon on Wed Aug 21 13:18:10 2024
    On 20 Aug 2024 22:14:16 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2024-08-20, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    While rates inflation is a problem, Government intervention is NOT the
    answer:

    https://tinyurl.com/2nmxe8pk

    It is the responsibility of local ratepayers to hold their elected
    representatives to account on every aspect of local government. There
    is never any justification for Government to interfere in local
    government in any way, until the current criteria apply that requires
    the replacement of a local body with commissioners.

    If ratepayers are dissatisfied with council performance, the first
    recourse is the ballot box at local body elections. If you cannot
    find acceptable candidates, write in 'none of the above' and vote (it
    will count as an invalid vote, the higher the percentage of invalid
    votes the greater the impact).

    The democratic system does not "allow" for invalid votes as the assumption
    is that all the candiates standing will be of utmost standing.

    If there are not candiates suitable then the power is in ones hands, stand >your self then there will be at least one candiate suitable to vote for.

    However one does have the right to remain silent.

    Certainly as a first step if the 60% plus non voters in Council elections >actually vote none here to vote for it might start a conversation or >revolution.

    Correct - and that is my point. Ratepayers should always cast their
    votes. Invalid votes with clearly written context on them (ie 'none
    of the above') is a form of voting, as against abstaining.


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