• Covid "vaccine" mortality

    From Tony@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 13 20:31:32 2024
    XPost: nz.politics

    https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new?utm_source=publication-search&utm_medium=email
    I am sick of people who attack the authors and posters of articles that upset their beliefs or politics.
    This article has a significant amount of data and fact supported by that data. It purports to show that the covid "vaccine" killed people, there is nothing in the included data that appears to be incorrect.
    I respect people who read the data and address it, but if you simply want to knock Mr. Kirsch then this is not the place.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sat Sep 14 17:31:41 2024
    On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:31:32 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new?utm_source=publication-search&utm_medium=email
    I am sick of people who attack the authors and posters of articles that upset >their beliefs or politics.
    What a strange way to start a discussion!

    This article has a significant amount of data and fact supported by that data. No, the data must be downloaded, and how to do that is explained as
    follows in the article:

    "The repository: Downloading the data and tools from the S3 file
    server
    The MIT presentation listed above has everything you need including
    the credentials to download all the data.

    Here are the new credentials:

    S3 compatible Server: service.skirsch.com:9003 (as of Jun 23, 2024)

    Public API keys:
    Access: CpQWGbhGXn52F3hSgdqQ
    Secret: bvvitCh5BkyGK2vf3ZllFqjoLfT1G3NgAzejQ1PK

    You can only access the data-transparency bucket for now. There’s more
    that I’m not disclosing yet (including a new US source other than
    Medicare).

    You can use any S3 file browser to download such as CloudBerry
    Explorer or CyberDuck or Amazon’s S3 Browser.

    Pick the S3 Compatible storage provider (double click on it). Then
    fill it out as noted above.


    It purports to show that the covid "vaccine" killed people, there is nothing in
    the included data that appears to be incorrect.
    Did you download the data?

    I was intrigued by this: " 9. Nobody seems to want to comment on this
    which is consistent with my analysis of the NZ data. The spreadsheet
    clearly shows it is those over 60 seeing the excess mortality which
    precisely matches the public data:"

    The statements in New Zealand appeared to indicate that most at risk
    of negative reactions to vaccine were younger people; a lot was made
    of two or three fairly sudden deaths of people in the 15 to 25 age
    group.

    He claims that the data he had shows that there were no Covid deaths
    from 1 August 2022 to 1 November 2022 in New Zealand - I have not
    checked that, but it does seem surprising. I am surprised that he has
    named the "NZMH whistleblower, Oracle admin Barry Young, who he calls
    a "hero", but it is impossible for us to tell whether that data was
    correct - two months with no deaths would I have thought would have
    been publicised at the time - are you able to explain that, Tony?


    I respect people who read the data and address it, but if you simply want to >knock Mr. Kirsch then this is not the place.

    Mr Kirsch has clearly been a very intelligent and innovative person -
    I had not realised he was one of the two people who independently
    invested the first versions of the optical mouse; he has since then
    been a very successful business entrepreneur - he and his wife have a charitable foundation from which by 2007 had given $US75 million to
    different causes.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat Sep 14 06:15:54 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:31:32 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new?utm_source=publication-search&utm_medium=email
    I am sick of people who attack the authors and posters of articles that upset >>their beliefs or politics.
    What a strange way to start a discussion!
    Only to someone who has poor comprehenion or someone like you who generally attacks the authors or posters.

    This article has a significant amount of data and fact supported by that >>data.
    No, the data must be downloaded, and how to do that is explained as
    follows in the article:
    Is that the best you can do? Being childishly picky.
    So did you follow those simple instructions?

    "The repository: Downloading the data and tools from the S3 file
    server
    The MIT presentation listed above has everything you need including
    the credentials to download all the data.

    Here are the new credentials:

    S3 compatible Server: service.skirsch.com:9003 (as of Jun 23, 2024)

    Public API keys:
    Access: CpQWGbhGXn52F3hSgdqQ
    Secret: bvvitCh5BkyGK2vf3ZllFqjoLfT1G3NgAzejQ1PK

    You can only access the data-transparency bucket for now. There’s more
    that I’m not disclosing yet (including a new US source other than
    Medicare).

    You can use any S3 file browser to download such as CloudBerry
    Explorer or CyberDuck or Amazon’s S3 Browser.

    Pick the S3 Compatible storage provider (double click on it). Then
    fill it out as noted above.


    It purports to show that the covid "vaccine" killed people, there is nothing >>in
    the included data that appears to be incorrect.
    Did you download the data?
    Did you?

    I was intrigued by this: " 9. Nobody seems to want to comment on this
    which is consistent with my analysis of the NZ data. The spreadsheet
    clearly shows it is those over 60 seeing the excess mortality which
    precisely matches the public data:"

    The statements in New Zealand appeared to indicate that most at risk
    of negative reactions to vaccine were younger people; a lot was made
    of two or three fairly sudden deaths of people in the 15 to 25 age
    group.
    Evidence?

    He claims that the data he had shows that there were no Covid deaths
    from 1 August 2022 to 1 November 2022 in New Zealand - I have not
    checked that, but it does seem surprising. I am surprised that he has
    named the "NZMH whistleblower, Oracle admin Barry Young, who he calls
    a "hero", but it is impossible for us to tell whether that data was
    correct - two months with no deaths would I have thought would have
    been publicised at the time - are you able to explain that, Tony?
    If you have not checked it you have nothing to add.


    I respect people who read the data and address it, but if you simply want to >>knock Mr. Kirsch then this is not the place.

    Mr Kirsch has clearly been a very intelligent and innovative person -
    I had not realised he was one of the two people who independently
    invested the first versions of the optical mouse; he has since then
    been a very successful business entrepreneur - he and his wife have a >charitable foundation from which by 2007 had given $US75 million to
    different causes.
    So what - he is obviously still very intelligent, are you envious?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sat Sep 14 23:33:57 2024
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:15:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:31:32 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new?utm_source=publication-search&utm_medium=email
    I am sick of people who attack the authors and posters of articles that upset
    their beliefs or politics.
    What a strange way to start a discussion!
    Only to someone who has poor comprehenion or someone like you who generally >attacks the authors or posters.

    This article has a significant amount of data and fact supported by that >>>data.
    No, the data must be downloaded, and how to do that is explained as
    follows in the article:
    Is that the best you can do? Being childishly picky.
    So did you follow those simple instructions?
    No, they are not simple, and I did not have enough time to undertake
    further research. You said the data was in the article; but that is
    not the case.



    "The repository: Downloading the data and tools from the S3 file
    server
    The MIT presentation listed above has everything you need including
    the credentials to download all the data.

    Here are the new credentials:

    S3 compatible Server: service.skirsch.com:9003 (as of Jun 23, 2024)

    Public API keys:
    Access: CpQWGbhGXn52F3hSgdqQ
    Secret: bvvitCh5BkyGK2vf3ZllFqjoLfT1G3NgAzejQ1PK

    You can only access the data-transparency bucket for now. There’s more
    that I’m not disclosing yet (including a new US source other than >>Medicare).

    You can use any S3 file browser to download such as CloudBerry
    Explorer or CyberDuck or Amazon’s S3 Browser.

    Pick the S3 Compatible storage provider (double click on it). Then
    fill it out as noted above.


    It purports to show that the covid "vaccine" killed people, there is nothing >>>in
    the included data that appears to be incorrect.
    Did you download the data?
    Did you?
    That does not answer my question - clearly if you did not download it
    you were not able to check the veracity of the assertions in the
    article.

    I was intrigued by this: " 9. Nobody seems to want to comment on this >>which is consistent with my analysis of the NZ data. The spreadsheet >>clearly shows it is those over 60 seeing the excess mortality which >>precisely matches the public data:"

    The statements in New Zealand appeared to indicate that most at risk
    of negative reactions to vaccine were younger people; a lot was made
    of two or three fairly sudden deaths of people in the 15 to 25 age
    group.
    Well covered in nz.general at the time.
    Evidence?

    He claims that the data he had shows that there were no Covid deaths
    from 1 August 2022 to 1 November 2022 in New Zealand - I have not
    checked that, but it does seem surprising. I am surprised that he has >>named the "NZMH whistleblower, Oracle admin Barry Young, who he calls
    a "hero", but it is impossible for us to tell whether that data was
    correct - two months with no deaths would I have thought would have
    been publicised at the time - are you able to explain that, Tony?
    If you have not checked it you have nothing to add.
    So are you in a position to verify there were no Covid deaths in those
    two months in 2022?

    I respect people who read the data and address it, but if you simply want to >>>knock Mr. Kirsch then this is not the place.
    I was not knocking Mr Kirsch; I was seeking information from you,
    Tony.


    Mr Kirsch has clearly been a very intelligent and innovative person -
    I had not realised he was one of the two people who independently
    invested the first versions of the optical mouse; he has since then
    been a very successful business entrepreneur - he and his wife have a >>charitable foundation from which by 2007 had given $US75 million to >>different causes.
    So what - he is obviously still very intelligent, are you envious?
    Are you trying to knock his reputation, Tony?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat Sep 14 21:30:23 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:15:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:31:32 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new?utm_source=publication-search&utm_medium=email
    I am sick of people who attack the authors and posters of articles that >>>>upset
    their beliefs or politics.
    What a strange way to start a discussion!
    Only to someone who has poor comprehenion or someone like you who generally >>attacks the authors or posters.

    This article has a significant amount of data and fact supported by that >>>>data.
    No, the data must be downloaded, and how to do that is explained as >>>follows in the article:
    Is that the best you can do? Being childishly picky.
    So did you follow those simple instructions?
    No, they are not simple, and I did not have enough time to undertake
    further research. You said the data was in the article; but that is
    not the case.
    Yes it is and they are so si8mple a 5 year old could do it.
    Your pickiness is brerathtaking.



    "The repository: Downloading the data and tools from the S3 file
    server
    The MIT presentation listed above has everything you need including
    the credentials to download all the data.

    Here are the new credentials:

    S3 compatible Server: service.skirsch.com:9003 (as of Jun 23, 2024)

    Public API keys:
    Access: CpQWGbhGXn52F3hSgdqQ
    Secret: bvvitCh5BkyGK2vf3ZllFqjoLfT1G3NgAzejQ1PK

    You can only access the data-transparency bucket for now. There’s more >>>that I’m not disclosing yet (including a new US source other than >>>Medicare).

    You can use any S3 file browser to download such as CloudBerry
    Explorer or CyberDuck or Amazon’s S3 Browser.

    Pick the S3 Compatible storage provider (double click on it). Then
    fill it out as noted above.


    It purports to show that the covid "vaccine" killed people, there is >>>>nothing
    in
    the included data that appears to be incorrect.
    Did you download the data?
    Did you?
    That does not answer my question - clearly if you did not download it
    you were not able to check the veracity of the assertions in the
    article.
    Did you?

    I was intrigued by this: " 9. Nobody seems to want to comment on this >>>which is consistent with my analysis of the NZ data. The spreadsheet >>>clearly shows it is those over 60 seeing the excess mortality which >>>precisely matches the public data:"

    The statements in New Zealand appeared to indicate that most at risk
    of negative reactions to vaccine were younger people; a lot was made
    of two or three fairly sudden deaths of people in the 15 to 25 age
    group.
    Well covered in nz.general at the time.
    Evidence?
    Evidence?

    He claims that the data he had shows that there were no Covid deaths
    from 1 August 2022 to 1 November 2022 in New Zealand - I have not
    checked that, but it does seem surprising. I am surprised that he has >>>named the "NZMH whistleblower, Oracle admin Barry Young, who he calls
    a "hero", but it is impossible for us to tell whether that data was >>>correct - two months with no deaths would I have thought would have
    been publicised at the time - are you able to explain that, Tony?
    If you have not checked it you have nothing to add.
    So are you in a position to verify there were no Covid deaths in those
    two months in 2022?

    I respect people who read the data and address it, but if you simply want >>>>to
    knock Mr. Kirsch then this is not the place.
    I was not knocking Mr Kirsch; I was seeking information from you,
    Tony.
    Liar.


    Mr Kirsch has clearly been a very intelligent and innovative person -
    I had not realised he was one of the two people who independently >>>invested the first versions of the optical mouse; he has since then
    been a very successful business entrepreneur - he and his wife have a >>>charitable foundation from which by 2007 had given $US75 million to >>>different causes.
    So what - he is obviously still very intelligent, are you envious?
    Are you trying to knock his reputation, Tony?
    Answer the questions, don't ask stupid ones.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sun Sep 15 15:50:41 2024
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:30:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:15:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:31:32 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new?utm_source=publication-search&utm_medium=email
    I am sick of people who attack the authors and posters of articles that >>>>>upset
    their beliefs or politics.
    What a strange way to start a discussion!
    Only to someone who has poor comprehenion or someone like you who generally >>>attacks the authors or posters.

    This article has a significant amount of data and fact supported by that >>>>>data.
    No, the data must be downloaded, and how to do that is explained as >>>>follows in the article:
    Is that the best you can do? Being childishly picky.
    So did you follow those simple instructions?
    No, they are not simple, and I did not have enough time to undertake >>further research. You said the data was in the article; but that is
    not the case.
    Yes it is and they are so si8mple a 5 year old could do it.
    Your pickiness is brerathtaking.



    "The repository: Downloading the data and tools from the S3 file
    server
    The MIT presentation listed above has everything you need including
    the credentials to download all the data.

    Here are the new credentials:

    S3 compatible Server: service.skirsch.com:9003 (as of Jun 23, 2024)

    Public API keys:
    Access: CpQWGbhGXn52F3hSgdqQ
    Secret: bvvitCh5BkyGK2vf3ZllFqjoLfT1G3NgAzejQ1PK

    You can only access the data-transparency bucket for now. There’s more >>>>that I’m not disclosing yet (including a new US source other than >>>>Medicare).

    You can use any S3 file browser to download such as CloudBerry
    Explorer or CyberDuck or Amazon’s S3 Browser.

    Pick the S3 Compatible storage provider (double click on it). Then
    fill it out as noted above.


    It purports to show that the covid "vaccine" killed people, there is >>>>>nothing
    in
    the included data that appears to be incorrect.
    Did you download the data?
    Did you?
    That does not answer my question - clearly if you did not download it
    you were not able to check the veracity of the assertions in the
    article.
    Did you?
    Answered above - no I did not, and neither did you . . .



    I was intrigued by this: " 9. Nobody seems to want to comment on this >>>>which is consistent with my analysis of the NZ data. The spreadsheet >>>>clearly shows it is those over 60 seeing the excess mortality which >>>>precisely matches the public data:"

    The statements in New Zealand appeared to indicate that most at risk
    of negative reactions to vaccine were younger people; a lot was made
    of two or three fairly sudden deaths of people in the 15 to 25 age >>>>group.
    Well covered in nz.general at the time.
    Evidence?
    Evidence?

    He claims that the data he had shows that there were no Covid deaths >>>>from 1 August 2022 to 1 November 2022 in New Zealand - I have not >>>>checked that, but it does seem surprising. I am surprised that he has >>>>named the "NZMH whistleblower, Oracle admin Barry Young, who he calls
    a "hero", but it is impossible for us to tell whether that data was >>>>correct - two months with no deaths would I have thought would have >>>>been publicised at the time - are you able to explain that, Tony?
    If you have not checked it you have nothing to add.
    So are you in a position to verify there were no Covid deaths in those
    two months in 2022?
    No answer. You know that is not correct Tony, but are too scared to
    confirm it.

    So wrong data, wrong conclusions - "Right," Tony.


    I respect people who read the data and address it, but if you simply want >>>>>to
    knock Mr. Kirsch then this is not the place.
    I was not knocking Mr Kirsch; I was seeking information from you,
    Tony.
    Liar.
    No lies, but it is clear that you cannot answer fairly simple
    questions, Tony.


    Mr Kirsch has clearly been a very intelligent and innovative person -
    I had not realised he was one of the two people who independently >>>>invested the first versions of the optical mouse; he has since then >>>>been a very successful business entrepreneur - he and his wife have a >>>>charitable foundation from which by 2007 had given $US75 million to >>>>different causes.
    So what - he is obviously still very intelligent, are you envious?
    Are you trying to knock his reputation, Tony?
    Answer the questions, don't ask stupid ones.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Sep 15 04:02:46 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:30:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:15:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:31:32 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new?utm_source=publication-search&utm_medium=email
    I am sick of people who attack the authors and posters of articles that >>>>>>upset
    their beliefs or politics.
    What a strange way to start a discussion!
    Only to someone who has poor comprehenion or someone like you who generally >>>>attacks the authors or posters.

    This article has a significant amount of data and fact supported by that >>>>>>data.
    No, the data must be downloaded, and how to do that is explained as >>>>>follows in the article:
    Is that the best you can do? Being childishly picky.
    So did you follow those simple instructions?
    No, they are not simple, and I did not have enough time to undertake >>>further research. You said the data was in the article; but that is
    not the case.
    Yes it is and they are so si8mple a 5 year old could do it.
    Your pickiness is brerathtaking.



    "The repository: Downloading the data and tools from the S3 file >>>>>server
    The MIT presentation listed above has everything you need including >>>>>the credentials to download all the data.

    Here are the new credentials:

    S3 compatible Server: service.skirsch.com:9003 (as of Jun 23, 2024)

    Public API keys:
    Access: CpQWGbhGXn52F3hSgdqQ
    Secret: bvvitCh5BkyGK2vf3ZllFqjoLfT1G3NgAzejQ1PK

    You can only access the data-transparency bucket for now. There’s more >>>>>that I’m not disclosing yet (including a new US source other than >>>>>Medicare).

    You can use any S3 file browser to download such as CloudBerry >>>>>Explorer or CyberDuck or Amazon’s S3 Browser.

    Pick the S3 Compatible storage provider (double click on it). Then >>>>>fill it out as noted above.


    It purports to show that the covid "vaccine" killed people, there is >>>>>>nothing
    in
    the included data that appears to be incorrect.
    Did you download the data?
    Did you?
    That does not answer my question - clearly if you did not download it
    you were not able to check the veracity of the assertions in the
    article.
    Did you?
    Answered above - no I did not, and neither did you . . .
    I am not surprised that you couldn't be bothered trying to get the data. I did succeed however, your lies nothwithstanding.



    I was intrigued by this: " 9. Nobody seems to want to comment on this >>>>>which is consistent with my analysis of the NZ data. The spreadsheet >>>>>clearly shows it is those over 60 seeing the excess mortality which >>>>>precisely matches the public data:"

    The statements in New Zealand appeared to indicate that most at risk >>>>>of negative reactions to vaccine were younger people; a lot was made >>>>>of two or three fairly sudden deaths of people in the 15 to 25 age >>>>>group.
    Well covered in nz.general at the time.
    Evidence?
    Evidence?

    He claims that the data he had shows that there were no Covid deaths >>>>>from 1 August 2022 to 1 November 2022 in New Zealand - I have not >>>>>checked that, but it does seem surprising. I am surprised that he has >>>>>named the "NZMH whistleblower, Oracle admin Barry Young, who he calls >>>>>a "hero", but it is impossible for us to tell whether that data was >>>>>correct - two months with no deaths would I have thought would have >>>>>been publicised at the time - are you able to explain that, Tony?
    If you have not checked it you have nothing to add.
    So are you in a position to verify there were no Covid deaths in those >>>two months in 2022?
    No answer. You know that is not correct Tony, but are too scared to
    confirm it.
    No rtead the article it is all there. The deaths are a matter of record, look it up.

    So wrong data, wrong conclusions - Right, Tony.
    Typo corrected, data is fine and readily available, look it up.


    I respect people who read the data and address it, but if you simply want >>>>>>to
    knock Mr. Kirsch then this is not the place.
    I was not knocking Mr Kirsch; I was seeking information from you,
    Tony.
    Liar.
    No lies, but it is clear that you cannot answer fairly simple
    questions, Tony.
    There was no cogent question asked. I don't answer impotent questiond.


    Mr Kirsch has clearly been a very intelligent and innovative person - >>>>>I had not realised he was one of the two people who independently >>>>>invested the first versions of the optical mouse; he has since then >>>>>been a very successful business entrepreneur - he and his wife have a >>>>>charitable foundation from which by 2007 had given $US75 million to >>>>>different causes.
    So what - he is obviously still very intelligent, are you envious?
    Are you trying to knock his reputation, Tony?
    Answer the questions, don't ask stupid ones.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sun Sep 15 16:40:46 2024
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 04:02:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:30:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:15:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:31:32 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new?utm_source=publication-search&utm_medium=email
    I am sick of people who attack the authors and posters of articles that >>>>>>>upset
    their beliefs or politics.
    What a strange way to start a discussion!
    Only to someone who has poor comprehenion or someone like you who generally
    attacks the authors or posters.

    This article has a significant amount of data and fact supported by that >>>>>>>data.
    No, the data must be downloaded, and how to do that is explained as >>>>>>follows in the article:
    Is that the best you can do? Being childishly picky.
    So did you follow those simple instructions?
    No, they are not simple, and I did not have enough time to undertake >>>>further research. You said the data was in the article; but that is
    not the case.
    Yes it is and they are so si8mple a 5 year old could do it.
    Your pickiness is brerathtaking.



    "The repository: Downloading the data and tools from the S3 file >>>>>>server
    The MIT presentation listed above has everything you need including >>>>>>the credentials to download all the data.

    Here are the new credentials:

    S3 compatible Server: service.skirsch.com:9003 (as of Jun 23, 2024) >>>>>>
    Public API keys:
    Access: CpQWGbhGXn52F3hSgdqQ
    Secret: bvvitCh5BkyGK2vf3ZllFqjoLfT1G3NgAzejQ1PK

    You can only access the data-transparency bucket for now. There’s more >>>>>>that I’m not disclosing yet (including a new US source other than >>>>>>Medicare).

    You can use any S3 file browser to download such as CloudBerry >>>>>>Explorer or CyberDuck or Amazon’s S3 Browser.

    Pick the S3 Compatible storage provider (double click on it). Then >>>>>>fill it out as noted above.


    It purports to show that the covid "vaccine" killed people, there is >>>>>>>nothing
    in
    the included data that appears to be incorrect.
    Did you download the data?
    Did you?
    That does not answer my question - clearly if you did not download it >>>>you were not able to check the veracity of the assertions in the >>>>article.
    Did you?
    Answered above - no I did not, and neither did you . . .
    I am not surprised that you couldn't be bothered trying to get the data. I did >succeed however, your lies nothwithstanding.

    So how many covid deaths were there from 1 August 2022 to 1 November
    2022 in New Zealand?




    I was intrigued by this: " 9. Nobody seems to want to comment on this >>>>>>which is consistent with my analysis of the NZ data. The spreadsheet >>>>>>clearly shows it is those over 60 seeing the excess mortality which >>>>>>precisely matches the public data:"

    The statements in New Zealand appeared to indicate that most at risk >>>>>>of negative reactions to vaccine were younger people; a lot was made >>>>>>of two or three fairly sudden deaths of people in the 15 to 25 age >>>>>>group.
    Well covered in nz.general at the time.
    Evidence?
    Evidence?

    He claims that the data he had shows that there were no Covid deaths >>>>>>from 1 August 2022 to 1 November 2022 in New Zealand - I have not >>>>>>checked that, but it does seem surprising. I am surprised that he has >>>>>>named the "NZMH whistleblower, Oracle admin Barry Young, who he calls >>>>>>a "hero", but it is impossible for us to tell whether that data was >>>>>>correct - two months with no deaths would I have thought would have >>>>>>been publicised at the time - are you able to explain that, Tony?
    If you have not checked it you have nothing to add.
    So are you in a position to verify there were no Covid deaths in those >>>>two months in 2022?
    No answer. You know that is not correct Tony, but are too scared to
    confirm it.
    No rtead the article it is all there. The deaths are a matter of record, look >it up.

    So wrong data, wrong conclusions - Right, Tony.
    Typo corrected, data is fine and readily available, look it up.


    I respect people who read the data and address it, but if you simply want
    to
    knock Mr. Kirsch then this is not the place.
    I was not knocking Mr Kirsch; I was seeking information from you,
    Tony.
    Liar.
    No lies, but it is clear that you cannot answer fairly simple
    questions, Tony.
    There was no cogent question asked. I don't answer impotent questiond.


    Mr Kirsch has clearly been a very intelligent and innovative person - >>>>>>I had not realised he was one of the two people who independently >>>>>>invested the first versions of the optical mouse; he has since then >>>>>>been a very successful business entrepreneur - he and his wife have a >>>>>>charitable foundation from which by 2007 had given $US75 million to >>>>>>different causes.
    So what - he is obviously still very intelligent, are you envious?
    Are you trying to knock his reputation, Tony?
    Answer the questions, don't ask stupid ones.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Sep 15 07:50:14 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 04:02:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:30:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:15:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:31:32 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new?utm_source=publication-search&utm_medium=email
    I am sick of people who attack the authors and posters of articles that >>>>>>>>upset
    their beliefs or politics.
    What a strange way to start a discussion!
    Only to someone who has poor comprehenion or someone like you who >>>>>>generally
    attacks the authors or posters.

    This article has a significant amount of data and fact supported by >>>>>>>>that
    data.
    No, the data must be downloaded, and how to do that is explained as >>>>>>>follows in the article:
    Is that the best you can do? Being childishly picky.
    So did you follow those simple instructions?
    No, they are not simple, and I did not have enough time to undertake >>>>>further research. You said the data was in the article; but that is >>>>>not the case.
    Yes it is and they are so si8mple a 5 year old could do it.
    Your pickiness is brerathtaking.



    "The repository: Downloading the data and tools from the S3 file >>>>>>>server
    The MIT presentation listed above has everything you need including >>>>>>>the credentials to download all the data.

    Here are the new credentials:

    S3 compatible Server: service.skirsch.com:9003 (as of Jun 23, 2024) >>>>>>>
    Public API keys:
    Access: CpQWGbhGXn52F3hSgdqQ
    Secret: bvvitCh5BkyGK2vf3ZllFqjoLfT1G3NgAzejQ1PK

    You can only access the data-transparency bucket for now. There’s more >>>>>>>that I’m not disclosing yet (including a new US source other than >>>>>>>Medicare).

    You can use any S3 file browser to download such as CloudBerry >>>>>>>Explorer or CyberDuck or Amazon’s S3 Browser.

    Pick the S3 Compatible storage provider (double click on it). Then >>>>>>>fill it out as noted above.


    It purports to show that the covid "vaccine" killed people, there is >>>>>>>>nothing
    in
    the included data that appears to be incorrect.
    Did you download the data?
    Did you?
    That does not answer my question - clearly if you did not download it >>>>>you were not able to check the veracity of the assertions in the >>>>>article.
    Did you?
    Answered above - no I did not, and neither did you . . .
    I am not surprised that you couldn't be bothered trying to get the data. I >>did
    succeed however, your lies nothwithstanding.

    So how many covid deaths were there from 1 August 2022 to 1 November
    2022 in New Zealand?
    Do your own research.




    I was intrigued by this: " 9. Nobody seems to want to comment on this >>>>>>>which is consistent with my analysis of the NZ data. The spreadsheet >>>>>>>clearly shows it is those over 60 seeing the excess mortality which >>>>>>>precisely matches the public data:"

    The statements in New Zealand appeared to indicate that most at risk >>>>>>>of negative reactions to vaccine were younger people; a lot was made >>>>>>>of two or three fairly sudden deaths of people in the 15 to 25 age >>>>>>>group.
    Well covered in nz.general at the time.
    Evidence?
    Evidence?

    He claims that the data he had shows that there were no Covid deaths >>>>>>>from 1 August 2022 to 1 November 2022 in New Zealand - I have not >>>>>>>checked that, but it does seem surprising. I am surprised that he has >>>>>>>named the "NZMH whistleblower, Oracle admin Barry Young, who he calls >>>>>>>a "hero", but it is impossible for us to tell whether that data was >>>>>>>correct - two months with no deaths would I have thought would have >>>>>>>been publicised at the time - are you able to explain that, Tony? >>>>>>If you have not checked it you have nothing to add.
    So are you in a position to verify there were no Covid deaths in those >>>>>two months in 2022?
    No answer. You know that is not correct Tony, but are too scared to >>>confirm it.
    No rtead the article it is all there. The deaths are a matter of record, look >>it up.

    So wrong data, wrong conclusions - Right, Tony.
    Typo corrected, data is fine and readily available, look it up.


    I respect people who read the data and address it, but if you simply >>>>>>>>want
    to
    knock Mr. Kirsch then this is not the place.
    I was not knocking Mr Kirsch; I was seeking information from you, >>>>>Tony.
    Liar.
    No lies, but it is clear that you cannot answer fairly simple
    questions, Tony.
    There was no cogent question asked. I don't answer impotent questiond.


    Mr Kirsch has clearly been a very intelligent and innovative person - >>>>>>>I had not realised he was one of the two people who independently >>>>>>>invested the first versions of the optical mouse; he has since then >>>>>>>been a very successful business entrepreneur - he and his wife have a >>>>>>>charitable foundation from which by 2007 had given $US75 million to >>>>>>>different causes.
    So what - he is obviously still very intelligent, are you envious? >>>>>Are you trying to knock his reputation, Tony?
    Answer the questions, don't ask stupid ones.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sun Sep 15 21:00:59 2024
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:50:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 04:02:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:30:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:15:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:31:32 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new?utm_source=publication-search&utm_medium=email
    I am sick of people who attack the authors and posters of articles that
    upset
    their beliefs or politics.
    What a strange way to start a discussion!
    Only to someone who has poor comprehenion or someone like you who >>>>>>>generally
    attacks the authors or posters.

    This article has a significant amount of data and fact supported by >>>>>>>>>that
    data.
    No, the data must be downloaded, and how to do that is explained as >>>>>>>>follows in the article:
    Is that the best you can do? Being childishly picky.
    So did you follow those simple instructions?
    No, they are not simple, and I did not have enough time to undertake >>>>>>further research. You said the data was in the article; but that is >>>>>>not the case.
    Yes it is and they are so si8mple a 5 year old could do it.
    Your pickiness is brerathtaking.



    "The repository: Downloading the data and tools from the S3 file >>>>>>>>server
    The MIT presentation listed above has everything you need including >>>>>>>>the credentials to download all the data.

    Here are the new credentials:

    S3 compatible Server: service.skirsch.com:9003 (as of Jun 23, 2024) >>>>>>>>
    Public API keys:
    Access: CpQWGbhGXn52F3hSgdqQ
    Secret: bvvitCh5BkyGK2vf3ZllFqjoLfT1G3NgAzejQ1PK

    You can only access the data-transparency bucket for now. There’s more >>>>>>>>that I’m not disclosing yet (including a new US source other than >>>>>>>>Medicare).

    You can use any S3 file browser to download such as CloudBerry >>>>>>>>Explorer or CyberDuck or Amazon’s S3 Browser.

    Pick the S3 Compatible storage provider (double click on it). Then >>>>>>>>fill it out as noted above.


    It purports to show that the covid "vaccine" killed people, there is >>>>>>>>>nothing
    in
    the included data that appears to be incorrect.
    Did you download the data?
    Did you?
    That does not answer my question - clearly if you did not download it >>>>>>you were not able to check the veracity of the assertions in the >>>>>>article.
    Did you?
    Answered above - no I did not, and neither did you . . .
    I am not surprised that you couldn't be bothered trying to get the data. I >>>did
    succeed however, your lies nothwithstanding.

    So how many covid deaths were there from 1 August 2022 to 1 November
    2022 in New Zealand?
    Do your own research.
    So yo did not download data, or cannot find the deaths in those
    months. Caught out lying is not a good look, Tony.





    I was intrigued by this: " 9. Nobody seems to want to comment on this >>>>>>>>which is consistent with my analysis of the NZ data. The spreadsheet >>>>>>>>clearly shows it is those over 60 seeing the excess mortality which >>>>>>>>precisely matches the public data:"

    The statements in New Zealand appeared to indicate that most at risk >>>>>>>>of negative reactions to vaccine were younger people; a lot was made >>>>>>>>of two or three fairly sudden deaths of people in the 15 to 25 age >>>>>>>>group.
    Well covered in nz.general at the time.
    Evidence?
    Evidence?

    He claims that the data he had shows that there were no Covid deaths >>>>>>>>from 1 August 2022 to 1 November 2022 in New Zealand - I have not >>>>>>>>checked that, but it does seem surprising. I am surprised that he has >>>>>>>>named the "NZMH whistleblower, Oracle admin Barry Young, who he calls >>>>>>>>a "hero", but it is impossible for us to tell whether that data was >>>>>>>>correct - two months with no deaths would I have thought would have >>>>>>>>been publicised at the time - are you able to explain that, Tony? >>>>>>>If you have not checked it you have nothing to add.
    So are you in a position to verify there were no Covid deaths in those >>>>>>two months in 2022?
    No answer. You know that is not correct Tony, but are too scared to >>>>confirm it.
    No rtead the article it is all there. The deaths are a matter of record, look
    it up.

    So wrong data, wrong conclusions - Right, Tony.
    Typo corrected, data is fine and readily available, look it up.


    I respect people who read the data and address it, but if you simply >>>>>>>>>want
    to
    knock Mr. Kirsch then this is not the place.
    I was not knocking Mr Kirsch; I was seeking information from you, >>>>>>Tony.
    Liar.
    No lies, but it is clear that you cannot answer fairly simple >>>>questions, Tony.
    There was no cogent question asked. I don't answer impotent questiond.


    Mr Kirsch has clearly been a very intelligent and innovative person - >>>>>>>>I had not realised he was one of the two people who independently >>>>>>>>invested the first versions of the optical mouse; he has since then >>>>>>>>been a very successful business entrepreneur - he and his wife have a >>>>>>>>charitable foundation from which by 2007 had given $US75 million to >>>>>>>>different causes.
    So what - he is obviously still very intelligent, are you envious? >>>>>>Are you trying to knock his reputation, Tony?
    Answer the questions, don't ask stupid ones.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Sep 15 19:34:02 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:50:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 04:02:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:30:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:15:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:31:32 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new?utm_source=publication-search&utm_medium=email
    I am sick of people who attack the authors and posters of articles >>>>>>>>>>that
    upset
    their beliefs or politics.
    What a strange way to start a discussion!
    Only to someone who has poor comprehenion or someone like you who >>>>>>>>generally
    attacks the authors or posters.

    This article has a significant amount of data and fact supported by >>>>>>>>>>that
    data.
    No, the data must be downloaded, and how to do that is explained as >>>>>>>>>follows in the article:
    Is that the best you can do? Being childishly picky.
    So did you follow those simple instructions?
    No, they are not simple, and I did not have enough time to undertake >>>>>>>further research. You said the data was in the article; but that is >>>>>>>not the case.
    Yes it is and they are so si8mple a 5 year old could do it.
    Your pickiness is brerathtaking.



    "The repository: Downloading the data and tools from the S3 file >>>>>>>>>server
    The MIT presentation listed above has everything you need including >>>>>>>>>the credentials to download all the data.

    Here are the new credentials:

    S3 compatible Server: service.skirsch.com:9003 (as of Jun 23, 2024) >>>>>>>>>
    Public API keys:
    Access: CpQWGbhGXn52F3hSgdqQ
    Secret: bvvitCh5BkyGK2vf3ZllFqjoLfT1G3NgAzejQ1PK

    You can only access the data-transparency bucket for now. There’s more >>>>>>>>>that I’m not disclosing yet (including a new US source other than >>>>>>>>>Medicare).

    You can use any S3 file browser to download such as CloudBerry >>>>>>>>>Explorer or CyberDuck or Amazon’s S3 Browser.

    Pick the S3 Compatible storage provider (double click on it). Then >>>>>>>>>fill it out as noted above.


    It purports to show that the covid "vaccine" killed people, there is >>>>>>>>>>nothing
    in
    the included data that appears to be incorrect.
    Did you download the data?
    Did you?
    That does not answer my question - clearly if you did not download it >>>>>>>you were not able to check the veracity of the assertions in the >>>>>>>article.
    Did you?
    Answered above - no I did not, and neither did you . . .
    I am not surprised that you couldn't be bothered trying to get the data. I >>>>did
    succeed however, your lies nothwithstanding.

    So how many covid deaths were there from 1 August 2022 to 1 November
    2022 in New Zealand?
    Do your own research.
    So yo did not download data, or cannot find the deaths in those
    months. Caught out lying is not a good look, Tony.
    Correct, you have been caught out lying once more. I did download the data. But if you want to know what it says, do your own research and quit your childish abuse.





    I was intrigued by this: " 9. Nobody seems to want to comment on this >>>>>>>>>which is consistent with my analysis of the NZ data. The spreadsheet >>>>>>>>>clearly shows it is those over 60 seeing the excess mortality which >>>>>>>>>precisely matches the public data:"

    The statements in New Zealand appeared to indicate that most at risk >>>>>>>>>of negative reactions to vaccine were younger people; a lot was made >>>>>>>>>of two or three fairly sudden deaths of people in the 15 to 25 age >>>>>>>>>group.
    Well covered in nz.general at the time.
    Evidence?
    Evidence?

    He claims that the data he had shows that there were no Covid deaths >>>>>>>>>from 1 August 2022 to 1 November 2022 in New Zealand - I have not >>>>>>>>>checked that, but it does seem surprising. I am surprised that he has >>>>>>>>>named the "NZMH whistleblower, Oracle admin Barry Young, who he calls >>>>>>>>>a "hero", but it is impossible for us to tell whether that data was >>>>>>>>>correct - two months with no deaths would I have thought would have >>>>>>>>>been publicised at the time - are you able to explain that, Tony? >>>>>>>>If you have not checked it you have nothing to add.
    So are you in a position to verify there were no Covid deaths in those >>>>>>>two months in 2022?
    No answer. You know that is not correct Tony, but are too scared to >>>>>confirm it.
    No rtead the article it is all there. The deaths are a matter of record, >>>>look
    it up.

    So wrong data, wrong conclusions - Right, Tony.
    Typo corrected, data is fine and readily available, look it up.


    I respect people who read the data and address it, but if you simply >>>>>>>>>>want
    to
    knock Mr. Kirsch then this is not the place.
    I was not knocking Mr Kirsch; I was seeking information from you, >>>>>>>Tony.
    Liar.
    No lies, but it is clear that you cannot answer fairly simple >>>>>questions, Tony.
    There was no cogent question asked. I don't answer impotent questiond. >>>>>

    Mr Kirsch has clearly been a very intelligent and innovative person - >>>>>>>>>I had not realised he was one of the two people who independently >>>>>>>>>invested the first versions of the optical mouse; he has since then >>>>>>>>>been a very successful business entrepreneur - he and his wife have a >>>>>>>>>charitable foundation from which by 2007 had given $US75 million to >>>>>>>>>different causes.
    So what - he is obviously still very intelligent, are you envious? >>>>>>>Are you trying to knock his reputation, Tony?
    Answer the questions, don't ask stupid ones.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Mon Sep 16 11:42:39 2024
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:34:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:50:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 04:02:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:30:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:15:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:31:32 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new?utm_source=publication-search&utm_medium=email
    I am sick of people who attack the authors and posters of articles >>>>>>>>>>>that
    upset
    their beliefs or politics.
    What a strange way to start a discussion!
    Only to someone who has poor comprehenion or someone like you who >>>>>>>>>generally
    attacks the authors or posters.

    This article has a significant amount of data and fact supported by >>>>>>>>>>>that
    data.
    No, the data must be downloaded, and how to do that is explained as >>>>>>>>>>follows in the article:
    Is that the best you can do? Being childishly picky.
    So did you follow those simple instructions?
    No, they are not simple, and I did not have enough time to undertake >>>>>>>>further research. You said the data was in the article; but that is >>>>>>>>not the case.
    Yes it is and they are so si8mple a 5 year old could do it.
    Your pickiness is brerathtaking.



    "The repository: Downloading the data and tools from the S3 file >>>>>>>>>>server
    The MIT presentation listed above has everything you need including >>>>>>>>>>the credentials to download all the data.

    Here are the new credentials:

    S3 compatible Server: service.skirsch.com:9003 (as of Jun 23, 2024) >>>>>>>>>>
    Public API keys:
    Access: CpQWGbhGXn52F3hSgdqQ
    Secret: bvvitCh5BkyGK2vf3ZllFqjoLfT1G3NgAzejQ1PK

    You can only access the data-transparency bucket for now. There’s more
    that I’m not disclosing yet (including a new US source other than >>>>>>>>>>Medicare).

    You can use any S3 file browser to download such as CloudBerry >>>>>>>>>>Explorer or CyberDuck or Amazon’s S3 Browser.

    Pick the S3 Compatible storage provider (double click on it). Then >>>>>>>>>>fill it out as noted above.


    It purports to show that the covid "vaccine" killed people, there is >>>>>>>>>>>nothing
    in
    the included data that appears to be incorrect.
    Did you download the data?
    Did you?
    That does not answer my question - clearly if you did not download it >>>>>>>>you were not able to check the veracity of the assertions in the >>>>>>>>article.
    Did you?
    Answered above - no I did not, and neither did you . . .
    I am not surprised that you couldn't be bothered trying to get the data. I >>>>>did
    succeed however, your lies nothwithstanding.

    So how many covid deaths were there from 1 August 2022 to 1 November >>>>2022 in New Zealand?
    Do your own research.
    So yo did not download data, or cannot find the deaths in those
    months. Caught out lying is not a good look, Tony.
    Correct, you have been caught out lying once more. I did download the data. But
    if you want to know what it says, do your own research and quit your childish >abuse.
    OK - see here:
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/new-zealand/
    (Daily cases are in a chart, hover over that chart to get daily
    figures
    and here: https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/assets/Our-health-system/Data-and-statistics/Covid-19/Covid-trends/COVID-19-Trends-and-Insights-Report-28-October-2022-PDF-2.2-MB.pdf
    and from that report (Page 3):
    "The 7-day rolling average of reported case rates was 47.0 per 100,000 population for the week ending 23 October. This was a 14.5% increase
    from the previous week, which was 41.1 per 100,000. Rates were highest
    in the 65+ age group (62.8 per 100,000). "

    So yes the New Zealand results were very good when compared with other countries, but we did not then have zero cases. Many of the current
    cases are "reinfections", and anecdotally many of those are for people
    who have not been vaccinated, but that statistic is not reported.

    But the main conclusion is that in at least one important fact, the
    results for New Zealand in the article by Steve Kirsch are wrong. The
    first clue should have been "Leaked data from Health New Zealand" in
    the title of the article - why use leaked data when official
    statistics, trusted by the World Health Organisation, are readily
    available?

    Secondly do a bit of research on the author:
    See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Kirsch

    Now Wikipedia gives references for a lot of their statements - pick a
    few and have a read - for example this one: https://thehub.ca/2022/01/03/harry-rakowski-misinformation-is-rife-but-dont-reject-all-alternative-covid-19-treatments/

    There are other articles about Steve Kirsch of course: https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/10/05/1036408/silicon-valley-millionaire-steve-kirsch-covid-vaccine-misinformation/






    I was intrigued by this: " 9. Nobody seems to want to comment on this
    which is consistent with my analysis of the NZ data. The spreadsheet >>>>>>>>>>clearly shows it is those over 60 seeing the excess mortality which >>>>>>>>>>precisely matches the public data:"

    The statements in New Zealand appeared to indicate that most at risk >>>>>>>>>>of negative reactions to vaccine were younger people; a lot was made >>>>>>>>>>of two or three fairly sudden deaths of people in the 15 to 25 age >>>>>>>>>>group.
    Well covered in nz.general at the time.
    Evidence?
    Evidence?

    He claims that the data he had shows that there were no Covid deaths >>>>>>>>>>from 1 August 2022 to 1 November 2022 in New Zealand - I have not >>>>>>>>>>checked that, but it does seem surprising. I am surprised that he has
    named the "NZMH whistleblower, Oracle admin Barry Young, who he calls >>>>>>>>>>a "hero", but it is impossible for us to tell whether that data was >>>>>>>>>>correct - two months with no deaths would I have thought would have >>>>>>>>>>been publicised at the time - are you able to explain that, Tony? >>>>>>>>>If you have not checked it you have nothing to add.
    So are you in a position to verify there were no Covid deaths in those >>>>>>>>two months in 2022?
    No answer. You know that is not correct Tony, but are too scared to >>>>>>confirm it.
    No rtead the article it is all there. The deaths are a matter of record, >>>>>look
    it up.

    So wrong data, wrong conclusions - Right, Tony.
    Typo corrected, data is fine and readily available, look it up.


    I respect people who read the data and address it, but if you simply >>>>>>>>>>>want
    to
    knock Mr. Kirsch then this is not the place.
    I was not knocking Mr Kirsch; I was seeking information from you, >>>>>>>>Tony.
    Liar.
    No lies, but it is clear that you cannot answer fairly simple >>>>>>questions, Tony.
    There was no cogent question asked. I don't answer impotent questiond. >>>>>>

    Mr Kirsch has clearly been a very intelligent and innovative person - >>>>>>>>>>I had not realised he was one of the two people who independently >>>>>>>>>>invested the first versions of the optical mouse; he has since then >>>>>>>>>>been a very successful business entrepreneur - he and his wife have a >>>>>>>>>>charitable foundation from which by 2007 had given $US75 million to >>>>>>>>>>different causes.
    So what - he is obviously still very intelligent, are you envious? >>>>>>>>Are you trying to knock his reputation, Tony?
    Answer the questions, don't ask stupid ones.
    Sometimes even those that are very intelligent can get sidetracked,
    Tony - looking up references for people you would like to believe can
    be worthwhile.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Mon Sep 16 14:59:31 2024
    On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 02:22:47 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:34:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:50:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 04:02:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:30:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:15:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:31:32 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new?utm_source=publication-search&utm_medium=email
    I am sick of people who attack the authors and posters of articles >>>>>>>>>>>>>that
    upset
    their beliefs or politics.
    What a strange way to start a discussion!
    Only to someone who has poor comprehenion or someone like you who >>>>>>>>>>>generally
    attacks the authors or posters.

    This article has a significant amount of data and fact supported by
    that
    data.
    No, the data must be downloaded, and how to do that is explained as >>>>>>>>>>>>follows in the article:
    Is that the best you can do? Being childishly picky.
    So did you follow those simple instructions?
    No, they are not simple, and I did not have enough time to undertake >>>>>>>>>>further research. You said the data was in the article; but that is >>>>>>>>>>not the case.
    Yes it is and they are so si8mple a 5 year old could do it. >>>>>>>>>Your pickiness is brerathtaking.



    "The repository: Downloading the data and tools from the S3 file >>>>>>>>>>>>server
    The MIT presentation listed above has everything you need including >>>>>>>>>>>>the credentials to download all the data.

    Here are the new credentials:

    S3 compatible Server: service.skirsch.com:9003 (as of Jun 23, 2024) >>>>>>>>>>>>
    Public API keys:
    Access: CpQWGbhGXn52F3hSgdqQ
    Secret: bvvitCh5BkyGK2vf3ZllFqjoLfT1G3NgAzejQ1PK

    You can only access the data-transparency bucket for now. There’s >>>>>>>>>>>>more
    that I’m not disclosing yet (including a new US source other than >>>>>>>>>>>>Medicare).

    You can use any S3 file browser to download such as CloudBerry >>>>>>>>>>>>Explorer or CyberDuck or Amazon’s S3 Browser.

    Pick the S3 Compatible storage provider (double click on it). Then >>>>>>>>>>>>fill it out as noted above.


    It purports to show that the covid "vaccine" killed people, there >>>>>>>>>>>>>is
    nothing
    in
    the included data that appears to be incorrect.
    Did you download the data?
    Did you?
    That does not answer my question - clearly if you did not download it >>>>>>>>>>you were not able to check the veracity of the assertions in the >>>>>>>>>>article.
    Did you?
    Answered above - no I did not, and neither did you . . .
    I am not surprised that you couldn't be bothered trying to get the data. >>>>>>>I
    did
    succeed however, your lies nothwithstanding.

    So how many covid deaths were there from 1 August 2022 to 1 November >>>>>>2022 in New Zealand?
    Do your own research.
    So yo did not download data, or cannot find the deaths in those
    months. Caught out lying is not a good look, Tony.
    Correct, you have been caught out lying once more. I did download the data. >>>But
    if you want to know what it says, do your own research and quit your childish
    abuse.
    OK - see here: >>https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/new-zealand/
    (Daily cases are in a chart, hover over that chart to get daily
    figures
    and here: >>https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/assets/Our-health-system/Data-and-statistics/Covid-19/Covid-trends/COVID-19-Trends-and-Insights-Report-28-October-2022-PDF-2.2-MB.pdf
    and from that report (Page 3):
    "The 7-day rolling average of reported case rates was 47.0 per 100,000 >>population for the week ending 23 October. This was a 14.5% increase
    from the previous week, which was 41.1 per 100,000. Rates were highest
    in the 65+ age group (62.8 per 100,000). "
    Well done, it wasn't so hard to do the research was it. Give a man a fish >etc....Eh?

    So you admit that the Steve Kirsch article was totally wrong in at
    least that particular. Well done. The whole article is either rubbish
    or very suspect - nothing more needs to be said.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Sep 16 03:04:54 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 02:22:47 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:34:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:50:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 04:02:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:30:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:15:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:31:32 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new?utm_source=publication-search&utm_medium=email
    I am sick of people who attack the authors and posters of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>articles
    that
    upset
    their beliefs or politics.
    What a strange way to start a discussion!
    Only to someone who has poor comprehenion or someone like you who >>>>>>>>>>>>generally
    attacks the authors or posters.

    This article has a significant amount of data and fact supported >>>>>>>>>>>>>>by
    that
    data.
    No, the data must be downloaded, and how to do that is explained as
    follows in the article:
    Is that the best you can do? Being childishly picky.
    So did you follow those simple instructions?
    No, they are not simple, and I did not have enough time to undertake >>>>>>>>>>>further research. You said the data was in the article; but that is >>>>>>>>>>>not the case.
    Yes it is and they are so si8mple a 5 year old could do it. >>>>>>>>>>Your pickiness is brerathtaking.



    "The repository: Downloading the data and tools from the S3 file >>>>>>>>>>>>>server
    The MIT presentation listed above has everything you need including
    the credentials to download all the data.

    Here are the new credentials:

    S3 compatible Server: service.skirsch.com:9003 (as of Jun 23, 2024)

    Public API keys:
    Access: CpQWGbhGXn52F3hSgdqQ
    Secret: bvvitCh5BkyGK2vf3ZllFqjoLfT1G3NgAzejQ1PK

    You can only access the data-transparency bucket for now. There’s >>>>>>>>>>>>>more
    that I’m not disclosing yet (including a new US source other than >>>>>>>>>>>>>Medicare).

    You can use any S3 file browser to download such as CloudBerry >>>>>>>>>>>>>Explorer or CyberDuck or Amazon’s S3 Browser.

    Pick the S3 Compatible storage provider (double click on it). Then >>>>>>>>>>>>>fill it out as noted above.


    It purports to show that the covid "vaccine" killed people, there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>is
    nothing
    in
    the included data that appears to be incorrect.
    Did you download the data?
    Did you?
    That does not answer my question - clearly if you did not download it
    you were not able to check the veracity of the assertions in the >>>>>>>>>>>article.
    Did you?
    Answered above - no I did not, and neither did you . . .
    I am not surprised that you couldn't be bothered trying to get the >>>>>>>>data.
    I
    did
    succeed however, your lies nothwithstanding.

    So how many covid deaths were there from 1 August 2022 to 1 November >>>>>>>2022 in New Zealand?
    Do your own research.
    So yo did not download data, or cannot find the deaths in those >>>>>months. Caught out lying is not a good look, Tony.
    Correct, you have been caught out lying once more. I did download the data. >>>>But
    if you want to know what it says, do your own research and quit your >>>>childish
    abuse.
    OK - see here: >>>https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/new-zealand/
    (Daily cases are in a chart, hover over that chart to get daily
    figures
    and here: >>>https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/assets/Our-health-system/Data-and-statistics/Covid-19/Covid-trends/COVID-19-Trends-and-Insights-Report-28-October-2022-PDF-2.2-MB.pdf
    and from that report (Page 3):
    "The 7-day rolling average of reported case rates was 47.0 per 100,000 >>>population for the week ending 23 October. This was a 14.5% increase
    from the previous week, which was 41.1 per 100,000. Rates were highest
    in the 65+ age group (62.8 per 100,000). "
    Well done, it wasn't so hard to do the research was it. Give a man a fish >>etc....Eh?

    So you admit that the Steve Kirsch article was totally wrong in at
    least that particular. Well done. The whole article is either rubbish
    or very suspect - nothing more needs to be said.
    Oh you idiotic little amoeba, I admit no such thing. You cannot even understand simple English.
    I note you removed the explanation I made of your failure, no surprise there. You are a coward.
    What a waste your life really is.
    Kirsch is correct and you have failed to show any doubt about that.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Sep 16 02:22:47 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:34:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:50:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 04:02:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:30:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:15:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:31:32 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new?utm_source=publication-search&utm_medium=email
    I am sick of people who attack the authors and posters of articles >>>>>>>>>>>>that
    upset
    their beliefs or politics.
    What a strange way to start a discussion!
    Only to someone who has poor comprehenion or someone like you who >>>>>>>>>>generally
    attacks the authors or posters.

    This article has a significant amount of data and fact supported by >>>>>>>>>>>>that
    data.
    No, the data must be downloaded, and how to do that is explained as >>>>>>>>>>>follows in the article:
    Is that the best you can do? Being childishly picky.
    So did you follow those simple instructions?
    No, they are not simple, and I did not have enough time to undertake >>>>>>>>>further research. You said the data was in the article; but that is >>>>>>>>>not the case.
    Yes it is and they are so si8mple a 5 year old could do it. >>>>>>>>Your pickiness is brerathtaking.



    "The repository: Downloading the data and tools from the S3 file >>>>>>>>>>>server
    The MIT presentation listed above has everything you need including >>>>>>>>>>>the credentials to download all the data.

    Here are the new credentials:

    S3 compatible Server: service.skirsch.com:9003 (as of Jun 23, 2024) >>>>>>>>>>>
    Public API keys:
    Access: CpQWGbhGXn52F3hSgdqQ
    Secret: bvvitCh5BkyGK2vf3ZllFqjoLfT1G3NgAzejQ1PK

    You can only access the data-transparency bucket for now. There’s >>>>>>>>>>>more
    that I’m not disclosing yet (including a new US source other than >>>>>>>>>>>Medicare).

    You can use any S3 file browser to download such as CloudBerry >>>>>>>>>>>Explorer or CyberDuck or Amazon’s S3 Browser.

    Pick the S3 Compatible storage provider (double click on it). Then >>>>>>>>>>>fill it out as noted above.


    It purports to show that the covid "vaccine" killed people, there >>>>>>>>>>>>is
    nothing
    in
    the included data that appears to be incorrect.
    Did you download the data?
    Did you?
    That does not answer my question - clearly if you did not download it >>>>>>>>>you were not able to check the veracity of the assertions in the >>>>>>>>>article.
    Did you?
    Answered above - no I did not, and neither did you . . .
    I am not surprised that you couldn't be bothered trying to get the data. >>>>>>I
    did
    succeed however, your lies nothwithstanding.

    So how many covid deaths were there from 1 August 2022 to 1 November >>>>>2022 in New Zealand?
    Do your own research.
    So yo did not download data, or cannot find the deaths in those
    months. Caught out lying is not a good look, Tony.
    Correct, you have been caught out lying once more. I did download the data. >>But
    if you want to know what it says, do your own research and quit your childish >>abuse.
    OK - see here:
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/new-zealand/
    (Daily cases are in a chart, hover over that chart to get daily
    figures
    and here: >https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/assets/Our-health-system/Data-and-statistics/Covid-19/Covid-trends/COVID-19-Trends-and-Insights-Report-28-October-2022-PDF-2.2-MB.pdf
    and from that report (Page 3):
    "The 7-day rolling average of reported case rates was 47.0 per 100,000 >population for the week ending 23 October. This was a 14.5% increase
    from the previous week, which was 41.1 per 100,000. Rates were highest
    in the 65+ age group (62.8 per 100,000). "
    Well done, it wasn't so hard to do the research was it. Give a man a fish etc....Eh?

    So yes the New Zealand results were very good when compared with other >countries, but we did not then have zero cases. Many of the current
    cases are "reinfections", and anecdotally many of those are for people
    who have not been vaccinated, but that statistic is not reported.

    But the main conclusion is that in at least one important fact, the
    results for New Zealand in the article by Steve Kirsch are wrong.
    No that is a false conclusion.
    The
    first clue should have been "Leaked data from Health New Zealand" in
    the title of the article - why use leaked data when official
    statistics, trusted by the World Health Organisation, are readily
    available?
    You miss the point as always. And deliberately.

    Secondly do a bit of research on the author:
    See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Kirsch
    Meaningless - you do love to attack those who you disagree with.

    Now Wikipedia gives references for a lot of their statements - pick a
    few and have a read - for example this one: >https://thehub.ca/2022/01/03/harry-rakowski-misinformation-is-rife-but-dont-reject-all-alternative-covid-19-treatments/
    Nah. Just more of your attacks.

    There are other articles about Steve Kirsch of course: >https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/10/05/1036408/silicon-valley-millionaire-steve-kirsch-covid-vaccine-misinformation/
    As above.






    I was intrigued by this: " 9. Nobody seems to want to comment on >>>>>>>>>>>this
    which is consistent with my analysis of the NZ data. The spreadsheet >>>>>>>>>>>clearly shows it is those over 60 seeing the excess mortality which >>>>>>>>>>>precisely matches the public data:"

    The statements in New Zealand appeared to indicate that most at risk >>>>>>>>>>>of negative reactions to vaccine were younger people; a lot was made >>>>>>>>>>>of two or three fairly sudden deaths of people in the 15 to 25 age >>>>>>>>>>>group.
    Well covered in nz.general at the time.
    Evidence?
    Evidence?

    He claims that the data he had shows that there were no Covid deaths >>>>>>>>>>>from 1 August 2022 to 1 November 2022 in New Zealand - I have not >>>>>>>>>>>checked that, but it does seem surprising. I am surprised that he >>>>>>>>>>>has
    named the "NZMH whistleblower, Oracle admin Barry Young, who he calls
    a "hero", but it is impossible for us to tell whether that data was >>>>>>>>>>>correct - two months with no deaths would I have thought would have >>>>>>>>>>>been publicised at the time - are you able to explain that, Tony? >>>>>>>>>>If you have not checked it you have nothing to add.
    So are you in a position to verify there were no Covid deaths in those >>>>>>>>>two months in 2022?
    No answer. You know that is not correct Tony, but are too scared to >>>>>>>confirm it.
    No rtead the article it is all there. The deaths are a matter of record, >>>>>>look
    it up.

    So wrong data, wrong conclusions - Right, Tony.
    Typo corrected, data is fine and readily available, look it up.


    I respect people who read the data and address it, but if you >>>>>>>>>>>>simply
    want
    to
    knock Mr. Kirsch then this is not the place.
    I was not knocking Mr Kirsch; I was seeking information from you, >>>>>>>>>Tony.
    Liar.
    No lies, but it is clear that you cannot answer fairly simple >>>>>>>questions, Tony.
    There was no cogent question asked. I don't answer impotent questiond. >>>>>>>

    Mr Kirsch has clearly been a very intelligent and innovative person -
    I had not realised he was one of the two people who independently >>>>>>>>>>>invested the first versions of the optical mouse; he has since then >>>>>>>>>>>been a very successful business entrepreneur - he and his wife have a
    charitable foundation from which by 2007 had given $US75 million to >>>>>>>>>>>different causes.
    So what - he is obviously still very intelligent, are you envious? >>>>>>>>>Are you trying to knock his reputation, Tony?
    Answer the questions, don't ask stupid ones.
    Sometimes even those that are very intelligent can get sidetracked,
    Tony - looking up references for people you would like to believe can
    be worthwhile.
    Or pointless as in this case.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Sep 16 07:51:33 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 03:04:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 02:22:47 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:34:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:50:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 04:02:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:30:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:15:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:31:32 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new?utm_source=publication-search&utm_medium=email
    I am sick of people who attack the authors and posters of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>articles
    that
    upset
    their beliefs or politics.
    What a strange way to start a discussion!
    Only to someone who has poor comprehenion or someone like you who >>>>>>>>>>>>>>generally
    attacks the authors or posters.

    This article has a significant amount of data and fact >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>supported
    by
    that
    data.
    No, the data must be downloaded, and how to do that is explained >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>as
    follows in the article:
    Is that the best you can do? Being childishly picky. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>So did you follow those simple instructions?
    No, they are not simple, and I did not have enough time to >>>>>>>>>>>>>undertake
    further research. You said the data was in the article; but that is
    not the case.
    Yes it is and they are so si8mple a 5 year old could do it. >>>>>>>>>>>>Your pickiness is brerathtaking.



    "The repository: Downloading the data and tools from the S3 file >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>server
    The MIT presentation listed above has everything you need >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>including
    the credentials to download all the data.

    Here are the new credentials:

    S3 compatible Server: service.skirsch.com:9003 (as of Jun 23, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2024)

    Public API keys:
    Access: CpQWGbhGXn52F3hSgdqQ
    Secret: bvvitCh5BkyGK2vf3ZllFqjoLfT1G3NgAzejQ1PK

    You can only access the data-transparency bucket for now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>There’s
    more
    that I’m not disclosing yet (including a new US source other than
    Medicare).

    You can use any S3 file browser to download such as CloudBerry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Explorer or CyberDuck or Amazon’s S3 Browser.

    Pick the S3 Compatible storage provider (double click on it). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Then
    fill it out as noted above.


    It purports to show that the covid "vaccine" killed people, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>there
    is
    nothing
    in
    the included data that appears to be incorrect. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Did you download the data?
    Did you?
    That does not answer my question - clearly if you did not download >>>>>>>>>>>>>it
    you were not able to check the veracity of the assertions in the >>>>>>>>>>>>>article.
    Did you?
    Answered above - no I did not, and neither did you . . .
    I am not surprised that you couldn't be bothered trying to get the >>>>>>>>>>data.
    I
    did
    succeed however, your lies nothwithstanding.

    So how many covid deaths were there from 1 August 2022 to 1 November >>>>>>>>>2022 in New Zealand?
    Do your own research.
    So yo did not download data, or cannot find the deaths in those >>>>>>>months. Caught out lying is not a good look, Tony.
    Correct, you have been caught out lying once more. I did download the >>>>>>data.
    But
    if you want to know what it says, do your own research and quit your >>>>>>childish
    abuse.
    OK - see here: >>>>>https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/new-zealand/
    (Daily cases are in a chart, hover over that chart to get daily >>>>>figures
    and here: >>>>>https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/assets/Our-health-system/Data-and-statistics/Covid-19/Covid-trends/COVID-19-Trends-and-Insights-Report-28-October-2022-PDF-2.2-MB.pdf
    and from that report (Page 3):
    "The 7-day rolling average of reported case rates was 47.0 per 100,000 >>>>>population for the week ending 23 October. This was a 14.5% increase >>>>>from the previous week, which was 41.1 per 100,000. Rates were highest >>>>>in the 65+ age group (62.8 per 100,000). "
    Well done, it wasn't so hard to do the research was it. Give a man a fish >>>>etc....Eh?

    So you admit that the Steve Kirsch article was totally wrong in at
    least that particular. Well done. The whole article is either rubbish
    or very suspect - nothing more needs to be said.
    Oh you idiotic little amoeba, I admit no such thing. You cannot even >>understand
    simple English.
    I note you removed the explanation I made of your failure, no surprise there. >>You are a coward.
    What a waste your life really is.
    Kirsch is correct and you have failed to show any doubt about that.

    Wrong data, wrong conclusions.
    Yes I agree, you should do better next time when you get the real data. However, conclusions are quite beyond you.

    I guess you feel most at home in that
    situation Tony . . .
    No idea, never been there. You however would know the feeling.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Mon Sep 16 19:30:09 2024
    On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 03:04:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 02:22:47 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:34:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:50:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 04:02:46 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:30:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:15:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:31:32 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://kirschsubstack.com/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new?utm_source=publication-search&utm_medium=email
    I am sick of people who attack the authors and posters of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>articles
    that
    upset
    their beliefs or politics.
    What a strange way to start a discussion!
    Only to someone who has poor comprehenion or someone like you who >>>>>>>>>>>>>generally
    attacks the authors or posters.

    This article has a significant amount of data and fact supported >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>by
    that
    data.
    No, the data must be downloaded, and how to do that is explained as
    follows in the article:
    Is that the best you can do? Being childishly picky. >>>>>>>>>>>>>So did you follow those simple instructions?
    No, they are not simple, and I did not have enough time to undertake
    further research. You said the data was in the article; but that is >>>>>>>>>>>>not the case.
    Yes it is and they are so si8mple a 5 year old could do it. >>>>>>>>>>>Your pickiness is brerathtaking.



    "The repository: Downloading the data and tools from the S3 file >>>>>>>>>>>>>>server
    The MIT presentation listed above has everything you need including
    the credentials to download all the data.

    Here are the new credentials:

    S3 compatible Server: service.skirsch.com:9003 (as of Jun 23, 2024)

    Public API keys:
    Access: CpQWGbhGXn52F3hSgdqQ
    Secret: bvvitCh5BkyGK2vf3ZllFqjoLfT1G3NgAzejQ1PK

    You can only access the data-transparency bucket for now. There’s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>more
    that I’m not disclosing yet (including a new US source other than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Medicare).

    You can use any S3 file browser to download such as CloudBerry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Explorer or CyberDuck or Amazon’s S3 Browser.

    Pick the S3 Compatible storage provider (double click on it). Then
    fill it out as noted above.


    It purports to show that the covid "vaccine" killed people, there
    is
    nothing
    in
    the included data that appears to be incorrect. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Did you download the data?
    Did you?
    That does not answer my question - clearly if you did not download it
    you were not able to check the veracity of the assertions in the >>>>>>>>>>>>article.
    Did you?
    Answered above - no I did not, and neither did you . . .
    I am not surprised that you couldn't be bothered trying to get the >>>>>>>>>data.
    I
    did
    succeed however, your lies nothwithstanding.

    So how many covid deaths were there from 1 August 2022 to 1 November >>>>>>>>2022 in New Zealand?
    Do your own research.
    So yo did not download data, or cannot find the deaths in those >>>>>>months. Caught out lying is not a good look, Tony.
    Correct, you have been caught out lying once more. I did download the data.
    But
    if you want to know what it says, do your own research and quit your >>>>>childish
    abuse.
    OK - see here: >>>>https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/new-zealand/
    (Daily cases are in a chart, hover over that chart to get daily
    figures
    and here: >>>>https://www.tewhatuora.govt.nz/assets/Our-health-system/Data-and-statistics/Covid-19/Covid-trends/COVID-19-Trends-and-Insights-Report-28-October-2022-PDF-2.2-MB.pdf
    and from that report (Page 3):
    "The 7-day rolling average of reported case rates was 47.0 per 100,000 >>>>population for the week ending 23 October. This was a 14.5% increase >>>>from the previous week, which was 41.1 per 100,000. Rates were highest >>>>in the 65+ age group (62.8 per 100,000). "
    Well done, it wasn't so hard to do the research was it. Give a man a fish >>>etc....Eh?

    So you admit that the Steve Kirsch article was totally wrong in at
    least that particular. Well done. The whole article is either rubbish
    or very suspect - nothing more needs to be said.
    Oh you idiotic little amoeba, I admit no such thing. You cannot even understand
    simple English.
    I note you removed the explanation I made of your failure, no surprise there. >You are a coward.
    What a waste your life really is.
    Kirsch is correct and you have failed to show any doubt about that.

    Wrong data, wrong conclusions. I guess you feel most at home in that
    situation Tony . . .

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