https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonates with me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody says.
I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no dislike of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any broadcaster >frankly.
https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonates with me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody says.
I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no dislike of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any broadcaster >frankly.
https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonates with me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody says.
I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no dislike of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any broadcaster >frankly.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), TonyIrrelevant and childish.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonates with >>me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody says.
I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no dislike >>of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>broadcaster
frankly.
What part do you not agree with, Tony?
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), TonyDon't be offensive. It is you that wants to do that.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonates with >>me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody says.
I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no dislike >>of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech?
AotearoaSo you don't care what the rest of New zealand people think or want. Typical marxist sociopath.
is a word from the Maori language, which is one of the Official
Languages of New Zealand. Its meaning has been given as 'long white
cloud" or similar - hardly objectionable as being offensive. It is
included in our National Anthem "God Defend New Zealand" - what is it
that you object to, Tony? Why are you seeking to reduce our freedom to
speak? Personally I don't often use the word, but I think it would be
wrong to try to ban it; and a referendum would be a gross waste of
tax-payer money.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course I don't. You appear to be wanting to stop me using the word
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), TonyDon't be offensive. It is you that wants to do that.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonates with >>>me.https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody says. >>>I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no dislike >>>of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>>broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech?
Do you have any evidence that the rest of New Zealand thinks or wantsAotearoaSo you don't care what the rest of New zealand people think or want. Typical >marxist sociopath.
is a word from the Maori language, which is one of the Official
Languages of New Zealand. Its meaning has been given as 'long white
cloud" or similar - hardly objectionable as being offensive. It is
included in our National Anthem "God Defend New Zealand" - what is it
that you object to, Tony? Why are you seeking to reduce our freedom to >>speak? Personally I don't often use the word, but I think it would be >>wrong to try to ban it; and a referendum would be a gross waste of >>tax-payer money.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), TonyIrrelevant and childish.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonates with >>>me.https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody says. >>>I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no dislike >>>of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>>broadcaster
frankly.
What part do you not agree with, Tony?
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:16:21 -0000 (UTC), TonyNone of your business and completely irrelevant to the post. Address the post of piss off.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), TonyIrrelevant and childish.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonates with >>>>me.https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody says. >>>>I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no >>>>dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>>>broadcaster
frankly.
What part do you not agree with, Tony?
It was a simple question. I cannot read your mind Tony. You said I may
not totally agree with this . . . - have you made up your mind on that
point, Tony?
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:16:21 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), TonyIrrelevant and childish.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonates with >>>>me.https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody says. >>>>I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>>>broadcaster
frankly.
What part do you not agree with, Tony?
It was a simple question. I cannot read your mind Tony. You said I may
not totally agree with this . . . - have you made up your mind on that
point, Tony?
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:17:50 -0000 (UTC), TonyIf you think that then you reallty are thick. You need comprehension teaching, but as we know it has always failed before.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course I don't. You appear to be wanting to stop me using the word >Aotearoa.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), TonyDon't be offensive. It is you that wants to do that.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonates with >>>>me.https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody says. >>>>I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no >>>>dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>>>broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech?
I am not you imbecile, you cannot follow simple English. Get an education to augmant your lie that you have a degree.Do you have any evidence that the rest of New Zealand thinks or wantsAotearoaSo you don't care what the rest of New zealand people think or want. Typical >>marxist sociopath.
is a word from the Maori language, which is one of the Official
Languages of New Zealand. Its meaning has been given as 'long white >>>cloud" or similar - hardly objectionable as being offensive. It is >>>included in our National Anthem "God Defend New Zealand" - what is it >>>that you object to, Tony? Why are you seeking to reduce our freedom to >>>speak? Personally I don't often use the word, but I think it would be >>>wrong to try to ban it; and a referendum would be a gross waste of >>>tax-payer money.
in relation to the use of the word Aotearoa? I don't object to it
being used - I believe it is not offensive to the vast majority of New >Zealanders, it is used in official documents and in our National
Anthem, and it is not offensive. Why are you trying to restrict free
speech, Tony?
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course I don't. You appear to be wanting to stop me using the word Aotearoa.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), TonyDon't be offensive. It is you that wants to do that.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonates with >>>>me.https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody says. >>>>I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>>>broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech?
Do you have any evidence that the rest of New Zealand thinks or wantsAotearoaSo you don't care what the rest of New zealand people think or want. Typical >>marxist sociopath.
is a word from the Maori language, which is one of the Official
Languages of New Zealand. Its meaning has been given as 'long white >>>cloud" or similar - hardly objectionable as being offensive. It is >>>included in our National Anthem "God Defend New Zealand" - what is it >>>that you object to, Tony? Why are you seeking to reduce our freedom to >>>speak? Personally I don't often use the word, but I think it would be >>>wrong to try to ban it; and a referendum would be a gross waste of >>>tax-payer money.
in relation to the use of the word Aotearoa? I don't object to it
being used - I believe it is not offensive to the vast majority of New Zealanders, it is used in official documents and in our National
Anthem, and it is not offensive. Why are you trying to restrict free
speech, Tony?
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonates with me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody says.
I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no dislike of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech? Aotearoa
is a word from the Maori language, which is one of the Official
Languages of New Zealand. Its meaning has been given as 'long white
cloud" or similar - hardly objectionable as being offensive. It is
included in our National Anthem "God Defend New Zealand" - what is it
that you object to, Tony? Why are you seeking to reduce our freedom to
speak? Personally I don't often use the word, but I think it would be
wrong to try to ban it; and a referendum would be a gross waste of
tax-payer money.
On 2024-09-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Any suggestion that a referendum on the name of the country is a waste of money would only come from a marxist.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonates with >>>me.https://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody says. >>>I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no dislike >>>of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>>broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech? Aotearoa
is a word from the Maori language, which is one of the Official
Languages of New Zealand. Its meaning has been given as 'long white
cloud" or similar - hardly objectionable as being offensive. It is
included in our National Anthem "God Defend New Zealand" - what is it
that you object to, Tony? Why are you seeking to reduce our freedom to
speak? Personally I don't often use the word, but I think it would be
wrong to try to ban it; and a referendum would be a gross waste of
tax-payer money.
That may well be the case but this "glee" at the need to shove it down our >collective throats gives a vomit response. It is a mess.
On 2024-09-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course I don't. You appear to be wanting to stop me using the word
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Don't be offensive. It is you that wants to do that.
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonates >>>>>withhttps://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody says. >>>>>I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no >>>>>dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>>>>broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech?
Aotearoa.
The objection is when and where the word Aotearoa is used. This orginal >article was about Sky using Aotearoa instead of NZ in an official event. Exactly and once more too subtle for Rich.
From my observations it is only the media who are pushing this. How often >does one hear Aotearoa on the streets of in the pub/cafe?
Do you have any evidence that the rest of New Zealand thinks or wantsAotearoaSo you don't care what the rest of New zealand people think or want. Typical >>>marxist sociopath.
is a word from the Maori language, which is one of the Official >>>>Languages of New Zealand. Its meaning has been given as 'long white >>>>cloud" or similar - hardly objectionable as being offensive. It is >>>>included in our National Anthem "God Defend New Zealand" - what is it >>>>that you object to, Tony? Why are you seeking to reduce our freedom to >>>>speak? Personally I don't often use the word, but I think it would be >>>>wrong to try to ban it; and a referendum would be a gross waste of >>>>tax-payer money.
in relation to the use of the word Aotearoa? I don't object to it
being used - I believe it is not offensive to the vast majority of New
Zealanders, it is used in official documents and in our National
Anthem, and it is not offensive. Why are you trying to restrict free
speech, Tony?
On 2024-09-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Not for Rich, he is incapable of qualification (too subtle for him), only stupidity.
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:16:21 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Irrelevant and childish.
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonates >>>>>withhttps://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody says. >>>>>I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no >>>>>dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>>>>broadcaster
frankly.
What part do you not agree with, Tony?
It was a simple question. I cannot read your mind Tony. You said I may
not totally agree with this . . . - have you made up your mind on that
point, Tony?
Don't be silly Rich? One often qualifies one statements. One is supposed to >take this into account. Happens every day for most people.
On 2024-09-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course I don't. You appear to be wanting to stop me using the word
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Don't be offensive. It is you that wants to do that.
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonates withhttps://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody says. >>>>>I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>>>>broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech?
Aotearoa.
The objection is when and where the word Aotearoa is used. This orginal >article was about Sky using Aotearoa instead of NZ in an official event.
From my observations it is only the media who are pushing this. How often >does one hear Aotearoa on the streets of in the pub/cafe?
Do you have any evidence that the rest of New Zealand thinks or wantsAotearoaSo you don't care what the rest of New zealand people think or want. Typical >>>marxist sociopath.
is a word from the Maori language, which is one of the Official >>>>Languages of New Zealand. Its meaning has been given as 'long white >>>>cloud" or similar - hardly objectionable as being offensive. It is >>>>included in our National Anthem "God Defend New Zealand" - what is it >>>>that you object to, Tony? Why are you seeking to reduce our freedom to >>>>speak? Personally I don't often use the word, but I think it would be >>>>wrong to try to ban it; and a referendum would be a gross waste of >>>>tax-payer money.
in relation to the use of the word Aotearoa? I don't object to it
being used - I believe it is not offensive to the vast majority of New
Zealanders, it is used in official documents and in our National
Anthem, and it is not offensive. Why are you trying to restrict free
speech, Tony?
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 21:31:09 -0000 (UTC), TonyBullshit, and you know it.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:16:21 -0000 (UTC), TonyNone of your business and completely irrelevant to the post. Address the post >>of piss off.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Irrelevant and childish.
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonates >>>>>>withhttps://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody says. >>>>>>I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no >>>>>>dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>>>>>broadcaster
frankly.
What part do you not agree with, Tony?
It was a simple question. I cannot read your mind Tony. You said I may >>>not totally agree with this . . . - have you made up your mind on that >>>point, Tony?
Your post, your statement; all I asked was what you meant by that
statement. It is clearly on topic, and you are just trying to avoid >discussion..
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:16:21 -0000 (UTC), TonyNone of your business and completely irrelevant to the post. Address the post >of piss off.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Irrelevant and childish.
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonates withhttps://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody says. >>>>>I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no >>>>>dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>>>>broadcaster
frankly.
What part do you not agree with, Tony?
It was a simple question. I cannot read your mind Tony. You said I may
not totally agree with this . . . - have you made up your mind on that >>point, Tony?
On 14 Sep 2024 22:38:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-09-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I can honestly say that I and everyone I know never refer to the
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course I don't. You appear to be wanting to stop me using the word
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Don't be offensive. It is you that wants to do that.
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonates withhttps://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody says. >>>>>>I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>>>>>broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech?
Aotearoa.
The objection is when and where the word Aotearoa is used. This orginal >>article was about Sky using Aotearoa instead of NZ in an official event.
From my observations it is only the media who are pushing this. How often >>does one hear Aotearoa on the streets of in the pub/cafe?
country we live in as Aotearoa. Most often the words used are "this
country" or "New Zealand".
Do you have any evidence that the rest of New Zealand thinks or wantsAotearoaSo you don't care what the rest of New zealand people think or want. Typical
is a word from the Maori language, which is one of the Official >>>>>Languages of New Zealand. Its meaning has been given as 'long white >>>>>cloud" or similar - hardly objectionable as being offensive. It is >>>>>included in our National Anthem "God Defend New Zealand" - what is it >>>>>that you object to, Tony? Why are you seeking to reduce our freedom to >>>>>speak? Personally I don't often use the word, but I think it would be >>>>>wrong to try to ban it; and a referendum would be a gross waste of >>>>>tax-payer money.
marxist sociopath.
in relation to the use of the word Aotearoa? I don't object to it
being used - I believe it is not offensive to the vast majority of New
Zealanders, it is used in official documents and in our National
Anthem, and it is not offensive. Why are you trying to restrict free
speech, Tony?
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 13:47:08 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>Who are you talking to?
wrote:
On 14 Sep 2024 22:38:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-09-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I can honestly say that I and everyone I know never refer to the
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course I don't. You appear to be wanting to stop me using the word
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Don't be offensive. It is you that wants to do that.
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonates >>>>>>>withhttps://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody says.
I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no >>>>>>>dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>>>>>>broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech?
Aotearoa.
The objection is when and where the word Aotearoa is used. This orginal >>>article was about Sky using Aotearoa instead of NZ in an official event.
From my observations it is only the media who are pushing this. How often >>>does one hear Aotearoa on the streets of in the pub/cafe?
country we live in as Aotearoa. Most often the words used are "this >>country" or "New Zealand".
I have heard the current and past Prime Ministers using the word, both
within New Zealand and when traveling to other countries. It is
possible that they move in different circles to you, Gordon. And this
week is Maori Language week - you may hear that word, and a few other
Maori words, a little more often this week; if so however I doubt that
Karl du Fresne or this group will have influenced that at all.
Do you have any evidence that the rest of New Zealand thinks or wantsAotearoaSo you don't care what the rest of New zealand people think or want. >>>>>Typical
is a word from the Maori language, which is one of the Official >>>>>>Languages of New Zealand. Its meaning has been given as 'long white >>>>>>cloud" or similar - hardly objectionable as being offensive. It is >>>>>>included in our National Anthem "God Defend New Zealand" - what is it >>>>>>that you object to, Tony? Why are you seeking to reduce our freedom to >>>>>>speak? Personally I don't often use the word, but I think it would be >>>>>>wrong to try to ban it; and a referendum would be a gross waste of >>>>>>tax-payer money.
marxist sociopath.
in relation to the use of the word Aotearoa? I don't object to it
being used - I believe it is not offensive to the vast majority of New >>>> Zealanders, it is used in official documents and in our National
Anthem, and it is not offensive. Why are you trying to restrict free
speech, Tony?
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:52:12 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 13:47:08 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:Who are you talking to?
On 14 Sep 2024 22:38:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-09-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I can honestly say that I and everyone I know never refer to the >>>>country we live in as Aotearoa. Most often the words used are "this >>>>country" or "New Zealand".
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course I don't. You appear to be wanting to stop me using the word >>>>>> Aotearoa.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonates >>>>>>>>>withhttps://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody says.
I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no >>>>>>>>>dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>>>>>>>>broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech? >>>>>>>Don't be offensive. It is you that wants to do that.
The objection is when and where the word Aotearoa is used. This orginal >>>>>article was about Sky using Aotearoa instead of NZ in an official event. >>>>>
From my observations it is only the media who are pushing this. How often >>>>>does one hear Aotearoa on the streets of in the pub/cafe?
I have heard the current and past Prime Ministers using the word, both >>>within New Zealand and when traveling to other countries. It is
possible that they move in different circles to you, Gordon. And this >>>week is Maori Language week - you may hear that word, and a few other >>>Maori words, a little more often this week; if so however I doubt that >>>Karl du Fresne or this group will have influenced that at all.
And you are, in any case, deliberately missing the point.
You are correct Tony. I don't care what words our PMs use - either
current or past. I have no interest in the Maori language - this or
any other week. Rich seems to be often confused as to who he is
answering in his posts. He also seems to be confused about how many
of us are interested in Maori language. This country that we call
home is New Zealand.
Do you have any evidence that the rest of New Zealand thinks or wants >>>>>> in relation to the use of the word Aotearoa? I don't object to itAotearoaSo you don't care what the rest of New zealand people think or want. >>>>>>>Typical
is a word from the Maori language, which is one of the Official >>>>>>>>Languages of New Zealand. Its meaning has been given as 'long white >>>>>>>>cloud" or similar - hardly objectionable as being offensive. It is >>>>>>>>included in our National Anthem "God Defend New Zealand" - what is it >>>>>>>>that you object to, Tony? Why are you seeking to reduce our freedom to >>>>>>>>speak? Personally I don't often use the word, but I think it would be >>>>>>>>wrong to try to ban it; and a referendum would be a gross waste of >>>>>>>>tax-payer money.
marxist sociopath.
being used - I believe it is not offensive to the vast majority of New >>>>>> Zealanders, it is used in official documents and in our National
Anthem, and it is not offensive. Why are you trying to restrict free >>>>>> speech, Tony?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 13:47:08 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:Who are you talking to?
On 14 Sep 2024 22:38:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-09-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I can honestly say that I and everyone I know never refer to the
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course I don't. You appear to be wanting to stop me using the word >>>>> Aotearoa.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonates >>>>>>>>withhttps://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody says.
I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no >>>>>>>>dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>>>>>>>broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech? >>>>>>Don't be offensive. It is you that wants to do that.
The objection is when and where the word Aotearoa is used. This orginal >>>>article was about Sky using Aotearoa instead of NZ in an official event. >>>>
From my observations it is only the media who are pushing this. How often >>>>does one hear Aotearoa on the streets of in the pub/cafe?
country we live in as Aotearoa. Most often the words used are "this >>>country" or "New Zealand".
I have heard the current and past Prime Ministers using the word, both >>within New Zealand and when traveling to other countries. It is
possible that they move in different circles to you, Gordon. And this
week is Maori Language week - you may hear that word, and a few other
Maori words, a little more often this week; if so however I doubt that
Karl du Fresne or this group will have influenced that at all.
And you are, in any case, deliberately missing the point.
Do you have any evidence that the rest of New Zealand thinks or wants >>>>> in relation to the use of the word Aotearoa? I don't object to itAotearoaSo you don't care what the rest of New zealand people think or want. >>>>>>Typical
is a word from the Maori language, which is one of the Official >>>>>>>Languages of New Zealand. Its meaning has been given as 'long white >>>>>>>cloud" or similar - hardly objectionable as being offensive. It is >>>>>>>included in our National Anthem "God Defend New Zealand" - what is it >>>>>>>that you object to, Tony? Why are you seeking to reduce our freedom to >>>>>>>speak? Personally I don't often use the word, but I think it would be >>>>>>>wrong to try to ban it; and a referendum would be a gross waste of >>>>>>>tax-payer money.
marxist sociopath.
being used - I believe it is not offensive to the vast majority of New >>>>> Zealanders, it is used in official documents and in our National
Anthem, and it is not offensive. Why are you trying to restrict free >>>>> speech, Tony?
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:52:12 -0000 (UTC), TonyI couldn't agree more. This is New Zealand and official occasions demand that the country be addressed that way. Any change requires a referendum, no government has the right to make such a change without one.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 13:47:08 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:Who are you talking to?
On 14 Sep 2024 22:38:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-09-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I can honestly say that I and everyone I know never refer to the >>>>country we live in as Aotearoa. Most often the words used are "this >>>>country" or "New Zealand".
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course I don't. You appear to be wanting to stop me using the word >>>>>> Aotearoa.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonates >>>>>>>>>withhttps://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody >>>>>>>>>says.
I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no >>>>>>>>>dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>>>>>>>>broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech? >>>>>>>Don't be offensive. It is you that wants to do that.
The objection is when and where the word Aotearoa is used. This orginal >>>>>article was about Sky using Aotearoa instead of NZ in an official event. >>>>>
From my observations it is only the media who are pushing this. How often >>>>>does one hear Aotearoa on the streets of in the pub/cafe?
I have heard the current and past Prime Ministers using the word, both >>>within New Zealand and when traveling to other countries. It is
possible that they move in different circles to you, Gordon. And this >>>week is Maori Language week - you may hear that word, and a few other >>>Maori words, a little more often this week; if so however I doubt that >>>Karl du Fresne or this group will have influenced that at all.
And you are, in any case, deliberately missing the point.
You are correct Tony. I don't care what words our PMs use - either
current or past. I have no interest in the Maori language - this or
any other week. Rich seems to be often confused as to who he is
answering in his posts. He also seems to be confused about how many
of us are interested in Maori language. This country that we call
home is New Zealand.
Do you have any evidence that the rest of New Zealand thinks or wants >>>>>> in relation to the use of the word Aotearoa? I don't object to itAotearoaSo you don't care what the rest of New zealand people think or want. >>>>>>>Typical
is a word from the Maori language, which is one of the Official >>>>>>>>Languages of New Zealand. Its meaning has been given as 'long white >>>>>>>>cloud" or similar - hardly objectionable as being offensive. It is >>>>>>>>included in our National Anthem "God Defend New Zealand" - what is it >>>>>>>>that you object to, Tony? Why are you seeking to reduce our freedom to >>>>>>>>speak? Personally I don't often use the word, but I think it would be >>>>>>>>wrong to try to ban it; and a referendum would be a gross waste of >>>>>>>>tax-payer money.
marxist sociopath.
being used - I believe it is not offensive to the vast majority of New >>>>>> Zealanders, it is used in official documents and in our National
Anthem, and it is not offensive. Why are you trying to restrict free >>>>>> speech, Tony?
--
Crash McBash
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 20:34:19 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>Who are you replying to? Time you got help.
wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:52:12 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 13:47:08 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:Who are you talking to?
On 14 Sep 2024 22:38:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-09-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I can honestly say that I and everyone I know never refer to the >>>>>country we live in as Aotearoa. Most often the words used are "this >>>>>country" or "New Zealand".
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course I don't. You appear to be wanting to stop me using the word >>>>>>> Aotearoa.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that >>>>>>>>>>resonateshttps://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
with
me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody >>>>>>>>>>says.
I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no >>>>>>>>>>dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>>>>>>>>>broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech? >>>>>>>>Don't be offensive. It is you that wants to do that.
The objection is when and where the word Aotearoa is used. This orginal >>>>>>article was about Sky using Aotearoa instead of NZ in an official event. >>>>>>
From my observations it is only the media who are pushing this. How often >>>>>>does one hear Aotearoa on the streets of in the pub/cafe?
I have heard the current and past Prime Ministers using the word, both >>>>within New Zealand and when traveling to other countries. It is >>>>possible that they move in different circles to you, Gordon. And this >>>>week is Maori Language week - you may hear that word, and a few other >>>>Maori words, a little more often this week; if so however I doubt that >>>>Karl du Fresne or this group will have influenced that at all.
And you are, in any case, deliberately missing the point.
You are correct Tony. I don't care what words our PMs use - either
current or past. I have no interest in the Maori language - this or
any other week. Rich seems to be often confused as to who he is
answering in his posts. He also seems to be confused about how many
of us are interested in Maori language. This country that we call
home is New Zealand.
Do you have any evidence that the rest of New Zealand thinks or wants >>>>>>> in relation to the use of the word Aotearoa? I don't object to it >>>>>>> being used - I believe it is not offensive to the vast majority of New >>>>>>> Zealanders, it is used in official documents and in our National >>>>>>> Anthem, and it is not offensive. Why are you trying to restrict free >>>>>>> speech, Tony?AotearoaSo you don't care what the rest of New zealand people think or want. >>>>>>>>Typical
is a word from the Maori language, which is one of the Official >>>>>>>>>Languages of New Zealand. Its meaning has been given as 'long white >>>>>>>>>cloud" or similar - hardly objectionable as being offensive. It is >>>>>>>>>included in our National Anthem "God Defend New Zealand" - what is it >>>>>>>>>that you object to, Tony? Why are you seeking to reduce our freedom to >>>>>>>>>speak? Personally I don't often use the word, but I think it would be >>>>>>>>>wrong to try to ban it; and a referendum would be a gross waste of >>>>>>>>>tax-payer money.
marxist sociopath.
I guess that is the real problem, when you think of New Zealanders,
you do not include Maori . . . There does seem to be a lot of that
around.
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:You are confused again, Tony. There is no law that requires the
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:52:12 -0000 (UTC), TonyI couldn't agree more. This is New Zealand and official occasions demand that >the country be addressed that way. Any change requires a referendum, no >government has the right to make such a change without one.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 13:47:08 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:Who are you talking to?
On 14 Sep 2024 22:38:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-09-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I can honestly say that I and everyone I know never refer to the >>>>>country we live in as Aotearoa. Most often the words used are "this >>>>>country" or "New Zealand".
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course I don't. You appear to be wanting to stop me using the word >>>>>>> Aotearoa.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that resonateshttps://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
with
me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody >>>>>>>>>>says.
I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no >>>>>>>>>>dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>>>>>>>>>broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech? >>>>>>>>Don't be offensive. It is you that wants to do that.
The objection is when and where the word Aotearoa is used. This orginal >>>>>>article was about Sky using Aotearoa instead of NZ in an official event. >>>>>>
From my observations it is only the media who are pushing this. How often >>>>>>does one hear Aotearoa on the streets of in the pub/cafe?
I have heard the current and past Prime Ministers using the word, both >>>>within New Zealand and when traveling to other countries. It is >>>>possible that they move in different circles to you, Gordon. And this >>>>week is Maori Language week - you may hear that word, and a few other >>>>Maori words, a little more often this week; if so however I doubt that >>>>Karl du Fresne or this group will have influenced that at all.
And you are, in any case, deliberately missing the point.
You are correct Tony. I don't care what words our PMs use - either
current or past. I have no interest in the Maori language - this or
any other week. Rich seems to be often confused as to who he is
answering in his posts. He also seems to be confused about how many
of us are interested in Maori language. This country that we call
home is New Zealand.
Do you have any evidence that the rest of New Zealand thinks or wants >>>>>>> in relation to the use of the word Aotearoa? I don't object to it >>>>>>> being used - I believe it is not offensive to the vast majority of New >>>>>>> Zealanders, it is used in official documents and in our National >>>>>>> Anthem, and it is not offensive. Why are you trying to restrict free >>>>>>> speech, Tony?AotearoaSo you don't care what the rest of New zealand people think or want. >>>>>>>>Typical
is a word from the Maori language, which is one of the Official >>>>>>>>>Languages of New Zealand. Its meaning has been given as 'long white >>>>>>>>>cloud" or similar - hardly objectionable as being offensive. It is >>>>>>>>>included in our National Anthem "God Defend New Zealand" - what is it >>>>>>>>>that you object to, Tony? Why are you seeking to reduce our freedom to >>>>>>>>>speak? Personally I don't often use the word, but I think it would be >>>>>>>>>wrong to try to ban it; and a referendum would be a gross waste of >>>>>>>>>tax-payer money.
marxist sociopath.
--
Crash McBash
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:39:10 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo confusion. just good mannners. Something that is beyond your understanding. >I used the word Official, but you ignored that.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:You are confused again, Tony. There is no law that requires the
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:52:12 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I couldn't agree more. This is New Zealand and official occasions demand that
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 13:47:08 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>wrote:Who are you talking to?
On 14 Sep 2024 22:38:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-09-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I can honestly say that I and everyone I know never refer to the >>>>>>>country we live in as Aotearoa. Most often the words used are "this >>>>>>>country" or "New Zealand".
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course I don't. You appear to be wanting to stop me using the word >>>>>>>>> Aotearoa.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that >>>>>>>>>>>>resonateshttps://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
with
me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody >>>>>>>>>>>>says.
I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no
dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>>>>>>>>>>>broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech? >>>>>>>>>>Don't be offensive. It is you that wants to do that.
The objection is when and where the word Aotearoa is used. This orginal >>>>>>>>article was about Sky using Aotearoa instead of NZ in an official event.
From my observations it is only the media who are pushing this. How often
does one hear Aotearoa on the streets of in the pub/cafe?
I have heard the current and past Prime Ministers using the word, both >>>>>>within New Zealand and when traveling to other countries. It is >>>>>>possible that they move in different circles to you, Gordon. And this >>>>>>week is Maori Language week - you may hear that word, and a few other >>>>>>Maori words, a little more often this week; if so however I doubt that >>>>>>Karl du Fresne or this group will have influenced that at all.
And you are, in any case, deliberately missing the point.
You are correct Tony. I don't care what words our PMs use - either >>>>current or past. I have no interest in the Maori language - this or >>>>any other week. Rich seems to be often confused as to who he is >>>>answering in his posts. He also seems to be confused about how many
of us are interested in Maori language. This country that we call
home is New Zealand.
the country be addressed that way. Any change requires a referendum, no >>>government has the right to make such a change without one.
country to be addressed in any particular way, or that people only use >>words in the English language. Are you saying that Chris Luxon was
wrong to refer to our Country as Aotearoa? Equally there is no
requirement for you to use anything but the words you know and are >>comfortable with. Comprendre?
We are New Zealand, we are nothing else. Fact. Period.
Do you have any evidence that the rest of New Zealand thinks or wants >>>>>>>>> in relation to the use of the word Aotearoa? I don't object to it >>>>>>>>> being used - I believe it is not offensive to the vast majority of NewAotearoaSo you don't care what the rest of New zealand people think or want. >>>>>>>>>>Typical
is a word from the Maori language, which is one of the Official >>>>>>>>>>>Languages of New Zealand. Its meaning has been given as 'long white >>>>>>>>>>>cloud" or similar - hardly objectionable as being offensive. It is >>>>>>>>>>>included in our National Anthem "God Defend New Zealand" - what is it
that you object to, Tony? Why are you seeking to reduce our freedom to
speak? Personally I don't often use the word, but I think it would be
wrong to try to ban it; and a referendum would be a gross waste of >>>>>>>>>>>tax-payer money.
marxist sociopath.
Zealanders, it is used in official documents and in our National >>>>>>>>> Anthem, and it is not offensive. Why are you trying to restrict free >>>>>>>>> speech, Tony?
--
Crash McBash
On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 02:24:36 -0000 (UTC), TonyI leave those to you.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:39:10 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo confusion. just good mannners. Something that is beyond your understanding.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:You are confused again, Tony. There is no law that requires the
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:52:12 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I couldn't agree more. This is New Zealand and official occasions demand >>>>that
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 13:47:08 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>wrote:Who are you talking to?
On 14 Sep 2024 22:38:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 2024-09-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I can honestly say that I and everyone I know never refer to the >>>>>>>>country we live in as Aotearoa. Most often the words used are "this >>>>>>>>country" or "New Zealand".
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course I don't. You appear to be wanting to stop me using the word
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that >>>>>>>>>>>>>resonateshttps://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
with
me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>>anybody
says.
I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>no
dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>>>>>>>>>>>>broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech? >>>>>>>>>>>Don't be offensive. It is you that wants to do that.
Aotearoa.
The objection is when and where the word Aotearoa is used. This orginal
article was about Sky using Aotearoa instead of NZ in an official >>>>>>>>>event.
From my observations it is only the media who are pushing this. How >>>>>>>>>often
does one hear Aotearoa on the streets of in the pub/cafe?
I have heard the current and past Prime Ministers using the word, both >>>>>>>within New Zealand and when traveling to other countries. It is >>>>>>>possible that they move in different circles to you, Gordon. And this >>>>>>>week is Maori Language week - you may hear that word, and a few other >>>>>>>Maori words, a little more often this week; if so however I doubt that >>>>>>>Karl du Fresne or this group will have influenced that at all.
And you are, in any case, deliberately missing the point.
You are correct Tony. I don't care what words our PMs use - either >>>>>current or past. I have no interest in the Maori language - this or >>>>>any other week. Rich seems to be often confused as to who he is >>>>>answering in his posts. He also seems to be confused about how many >>>>>of us are interested in Maori language. This country that we call >>>>>home is New Zealand.
the country be addressed that way. Any change requires a referendum, no >>>>government has the right to make such a change without one.
country to be addressed in any particular way, or that people only use >>>words in the English language. Are you saying that Chris Luxon was
wrong to refer to our Country as Aotearoa? Equally there is no >>>requirement for you to use anything but the words you know and are >>>comfortable with. Comprendre?
I used the word Official, but you ignored that.
We are New Zealand, we are nothing else. Fact. Period.
What crap. This is one issue where Chris Luxon has followed the
practice of previous Prime Ministers and used the word Aotearoa as a >legitimate and authorised name for our country where appropriate in
the performance of official duties - you are having another
brain-fart, Tony.
Do you have any evidence that the rest of New Zealand thinks or wantsAotearoaSo you don't care what the rest of New zealand people think or want. >>>>>>>>>>>Typical
is a word from the Maori language, which is one of the Official >>>>>>>>>>>>Languages of New Zealand. Its meaning has been given as 'long white >>>>>>>>>>>>cloud" or similar - hardly objectionable as being offensive. It is >>>>>>>>>>>>included in our National Anthem "God Defend New Zealand" - what is >>>>>>>>>>>>it
that you object to, Tony? Why are you seeking to reduce our freedom >>>>>>>>>>>>to
speak? Personally I don't often use the word, but I think it would >>>>>>>>>>>>be
wrong to try to ban it; and a referendum would be a gross waste of >>>>>>>>>>>>tax-payer money.
marxist sociopath.
in relation to the use of the word Aotearoa? I don't object to it >>>>>>>>>> being used - I believe it is not offensive to the vast majority of >>>>>>>>>>New
Zealanders, it is used in official documents and in our National >>>>>>>>>> Anthem, and it is not offensive. Why are you trying to restrict free >>>>>>>>>> speech, Tony?
--
Crash McBash
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:39:10 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo confusion. just good mannners. Something that is beyond your understanding. I used the word Official, but you ignored that.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:You are confused again, Tony. There is no law that requires the
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:52:12 -0000 (UTC), TonyI couldn't agree more. This is New Zealand and official occasions demand that >>the country be addressed that way. Any change requires a referendum, no >>government has the right to make such a change without one.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 13:47:08 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:Who are you talking to?
On 14 Sep 2024 22:38:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-09-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I can honestly say that I and everyone I know never refer to the >>>>>>country we live in as Aotearoa. Most often the words used are "this >>>>>>country" or "New Zealand".
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course I don't. You appear to be wanting to stop me using the word >>>>>>>> Aotearoa.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that >>>>>>>>>>>resonateshttps://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
with
me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody >>>>>>>>>>>says.
I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no >>>>>>>>>>>dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>>>>>>>>>>broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech? >>>>>>>>>Don't be offensive. It is you that wants to do that.
The objection is when and where the word Aotearoa is used. This orginal >>>>>>>article was about Sky using Aotearoa instead of NZ in an official event. >>>>>>>
From my observations it is only the media who are pushing this. How often
does one hear Aotearoa on the streets of in the pub/cafe?
I have heard the current and past Prime Ministers using the word, both >>>>>within New Zealand and when traveling to other countries. It is >>>>>possible that they move in different circles to you, Gordon. And this >>>>>week is Maori Language week - you may hear that word, and a few other >>>>>Maori words, a little more often this week; if so however I doubt that >>>>>Karl du Fresne or this group will have influenced that at all.
And you are, in any case, deliberately missing the point.
You are correct Tony. I don't care what words our PMs use - either >>>current or past. I have no interest in the Maori language - this or
any other week. Rich seems to be often confused as to who he is >>>answering in his posts. He also seems to be confused about how many
of us are interested in Maori language. This country that we call
home is New Zealand.
country to be addressed in any particular way, or that people only use
words in the English language. Are you saying that Chris Luxon was
wrong to refer to our Country as Aotearoa? Equally there is no
requirement for you to use anything but the words you know and are >comfortable with. Comprendre?
Do you have any evidence that the rest of New Zealand thinks or wants >>>>>>>> in relation to the use of the word Aotearoa? I don't object to it >>>>>>>> being used - I believe it is not offensive to the vast majority of New >>>>>>>> Zealanders, it is used in official documents and in our National >>>>>>>> Anthem, and it is not offensive. Why are you trying to restrict free >>>>>>>> speech, Tony?AotearoaSo you don't care what the rest of New zealand people think or want. >>>>>>>>>Typical
is a word from the Maori language, which is one of the Official >>>>>>>>>>Languages of New Zealand. Its meaning has been given as 'long white >>>>>>>>>>cloud" or similar - hardly objectionable as being offensive. It is >>>>>>>>>>included in our National Anthem "God Defend New Zealand" - what is it >>>>>>>>>>that you object to, Tony? Why are you seeking to reduce our freedom to
speak? Personally I don't often use the word, but I think it would be
wrong to try to ban it; and a referendum would be a gross waste of >>>>>>>>>>tax-payer money.
marxist sociopath.
--
Crash McBash
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 02:24:36 -0000 (UTC), TonyI leave those to you.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:39:10 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No confusion. just good mannners. Something that is beyond your understanding.
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:You are confused again, Tony. There is no law that requires the
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:52:12 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I couldn't agree more. This is New Zealand and official occasions demand >>>>>that
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 13:47:08 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>>wrote:And you are, in any case, deliberately missing the point.
On 14 Sep 2024 22:38:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On 2024-09-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I can honestly say that I and everyone I know never refer to the >>>>>>>>>country we live in as Aotearoa. Most often the words used are "this >>>>>>>>>country" or "New Zealand".
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course I don't. You appear to be wanting to stop me using the word
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>resonateshttps://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
with
me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>anybody
says.
I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have >>>>>>>>>>>>>>no
dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any
broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech? >>>>>>>>>>>>Don't be offensive. It is you that wants to do that.
Aotearoa.
The objection is when and where the word Aotearoa is used. This orginal
article was about Sky using Aotearoa instead of NZ in an official >>>>>>>>>>event.
From my observations it is only the media who are pushing this. How >>>>>>>>>>often
does one hear Aotearoa on the streets of in the pub/cafe?
I have heard the current and past Prime Ministers using the word, both >>>>>>>>within New Zealand and when traveling to other countries. It is >>>>>>>>possible that they move in different circles to you, Gordon. And this >>>>>>>>week is Maori Language week - you may hear that word, and a few other >>>>>>>>Maori words, a little more often this week; if so however I doubt that >>>>>>>>Karl du Fresne or this group will have influenced that at all. >>>>>>>Who are you talking to?
You are correct Tony. I don't care what words our PMs use - either >>>>>>current or past. I have no interest in the Maori language - this or >>>>>>any other week. Rich seems to be often confused as to who he is >>>>>>answering in his posts. He also seems to be confused about how many >>>>>>of us are interested in Maori language. This country that we call >>>>>>home is New Zealand.
the country be addressed that way. Any change requires a referendum, no >>>>>government has the right to make such a change without one.
country to be addressed in any particular way, or that people only use >>>>words in the English language. Are you saying that Chris Luxon was >>>>wrong to refer to our Country as Aotearoa? Equally there is no >>>>requirement for you to use anything but the words you know and are >>>>comfortable with. Comprendre?
I used the word Official, but you ignored that.
We are New Zealand, we are nothing else. Fact. Period.
What crap. This is one issue where Chris Luxon has followed the
practice of previous Prime Ministers and used the word Aotearoa as a >>legitimate and authorised name for our country where appropriate in
the performance of official duties - you are having another
brain-fart, Tony.
You are totally wrong.
We are New Zealand, and nothing else, all official functions should use that, >otherwise it is a failure of significance. And that is exactly what this thread
is about, you never began to comprehend that.
Do you have any evidence that the rest of New Zealand thinks or wantsAotearoaSo you don't care what the rest of New zealand people think or want.
is a word from the Maori language, which is one of the Official >>>>>>>>>>>>>Languages of New Zealand. Its meaning has been given as 'long white
cloud" or similar - hardly objectionable as being offensive. It is >>>>>>>>>>>>>included in our National Anthem "God Defend New Zealand" - what is >>>>>>>>>>>>>it
that you object to, Tony? Why are you seeking to reduce our freedom
to
speak? Personally I don't often use the word, but I think it would
be
wrong to try to ban it; and a referendum would be a gross waste of >>>>>>>>>>>>>tax-payer money.
Typical
marxist sociopath.
in relation to the use of the word Aotearoa? I don't object to it >>>>>>>>>>> being used - I believe it is not offensive to the vast majority of >>>>>>>>>>>New
Zealanders, it is used in official documents and in our National >>>>>>>>>>> Anthem, and it is not offensive. Why are you trying to restrict free
speech, Tony?
--
Crash McBash
On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 03:07:55 -0000 (UTC), TonyThen you are wrong.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 02:24:36 -0000 (UTC), TonyI leave those to you.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:39:10 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No confusion. just good mannners. Something that is beyond your >>>>understanding.
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:You are confused again, Tony. There is no law that requires the >>>>>country to be addressed in any particular way, or that people only use >>>>>words in the English language. Are you saying that Chris Luxon was >>>>>wrong to refer to our Country as Aotearoa? Equally there is no >>>>>requirement for you to use anything but the words you know and are >>>>>comfortable with. Comprendre?
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:52:12 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I couldn't agree more. This is New Zealand and official occasions demand >>>>>>that
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 13:47:08 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>>>wrote:And you are, in any case, deliberately missing the point.
On 14 Sep 2024 22:38:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On 2024-09-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I can honestly say that I and everyone I know never refer to the >>>>>>>>>>country we live in as Aotearoa. Most often the words used are "this >>>>>>>>>>country" or "New Zealand".
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course I don't. You appear to be wanting to stop me using the >>>>>>>>>>>>word
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>resonateshttps://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
with
me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anybody
says.
I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have
no
dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any
broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech? >>>>>>>>>>>>>Don't be offensive. It is you that wants to do that.
Aotearoa.
The objection is when and where the word Aotearoa is used. This >>>>>>>>>>>orginal
article was about Sky using Aotearoa instead of NZ in an official >>>>>>>>>>>event.
From my observations it is only the media who are pushing this. How >>>>>>>>>>>often
does one hear Aotearoa on the streets of in the pub/cafe? >>>>>>>>>>>
I have heard the current and past Prime Ministers using the word, both >>>>>>>>>within New Zealand and when traveling to other countries. It is >>>>>>>>>possible that they move in different circles to you, Gordon. And this >>>>>>>>>week is Maori Language week - you may hear that word, and a few other >>>>>>>>>Maori words, a little more often this week; if so however I doubt that >>>>>>>>>Karl du Fresne or this group will have influenced that at all. >>>>>>>>Who are you talking to?
You are correct Tony. I don't care what words our PMs use - either >>>>>>>current or past. I have no interest in the Maori language - this or >>>>>>>any other week. Rich seems to be often confused as to who he is >>>>>>>answering in his posts. He also seems to be confused about how many >>>>>>>of us are interested in Maori language. This country that we call >>>>>>>home is New Zealand.
the country be addressed that way. Any change requires a referendum, no >>>>>>government has the right to make such a change without one.
I used the word Official, but you ignored that.
We are New Zealand, we are nothing else. Fact. Period.
What crap. This is one issue where Chris Luxon has followed the
practice of previous Prime Ministers and used the word Aotearoa as a >>>legitimate and authorised name for our country where appropriate in
the performance of official duties - you are having another
brain-fart, Tony.
You are totally wrong.
We are New Zealand, and nothing else, all official functions should use that, >>otherwise it is a failure of significance. And that is exactly what this >>thread
is about, you never began to comprehend that.
So there you are claiming that Christopher Luxon has made a failure of >significance - and I believe he has not.
If I had berated him IIf you had berated him you would only be doing what you do every few minutes, shame on you.
suspect you would have defended his use of the word, but then logic
and consistency aren't really your thing, are they?
So listen to this - just the first 1 minutes 13 seconds will do: >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrA79mqEZnAOff topic.
As for protocols, see here: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Defend_New_Zealand - there are
occasions when it is still protocol to sing "God Save the King"
Do you have any evidence that the rest of New Zealand thinks or >>>>>>>>>>>>wantsAotearoaSo you don't care what the rest of New zealand people think or >>>>>>>>>>>>>want.
is a word from the Maori language, which is one of the Official >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Languages of New Zealand. Its meaning has been given as 'long >>>>>>>>>>>>>>white
cloud" or similar - hardly objectionable as being offensive. It is
included in our National Anthem "God Defend New Zealand" - what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>is
it
that you object to, Tony? Why are you seeking to reduce our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>freedom
to
speak? Personally I don't often use the word, but I think it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>would
be
wrong to try to ban it; and a referendum would be a gross waste of
tax-payer money.
Typical
marxist sociopath.
in relation to the use of the word Aotearoa? I don't object to it >>>>>>>>>>>> being used - I believe it is not offensive to the vast majority of >>>>>>>>>>>>New
Zealanders, it is used in official documents and in our National >>>>>>>>>>>> Anthem, and it is not offensive. Why are you trying to restrict >>>>>>>>>>>>free
speech, Tony?
--
Crash McBash
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 02:24:36 -0000 (UTC), TonyWhat crap Rich, There was never a referendum to change the countries
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:39:10 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No confusion. just good mannners. Something that is beyond your understanding.
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:You are confused again, Tony. There is no law that requires the
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:52:12 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I couldn't agree more. This is New Zealand and official occasions demand that
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 13:47:08 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>>wrote:And you are, in any case, deliberately missing the point.
On 14 Sep 2024 22:38:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>
On 2024-09-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I can honestly say that I and everyone I know never refer to the >>>>>>>>>country we live in as Aotearoa. Most often the words used are "this >>>>>>>>>country" or "New Zealand".
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course I don't. You appear to be wanting to stop me using the word
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>resonateshttps://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
with
me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody
says.
I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no
dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any
broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech? >>>>>>>>>>>>Don't be offensive. It is you that wants to do that.
Aotearoa.
The objection is when and where the word Aotearoa is used. This orginal
article was about Sky using Aotearoa instead of NZ in an official event.
From my observations it is only the media who are pushing this. How often
does one hear Aotearoa on the streets of in the pub/cafe?
I have heard the current and past Prime Ministers using the word, both >>>>>>>>within New Zealand and when traveling to other countries. It is >>>>>>>>possible that they move in different circles to you, Gordon. And this >>>>>>>>week is Maori Language week - you may hear that word, and a few other >>>>>>>>Maori words, a little more often this week; if so however I doubt that >>>>>>>>Karl du Fresne or this group will have influenced that at all. >>>>>>>Who are you talking to?
You are correct Tony. I don't care what words our PMs use - either >>>>>>current or past. I have no interest in the Maori language - this or >>>>>>any other week. Rich seems to be often confused as to who he is >>>>>>answering in his posts. He also seems to be confused about how many >>>>>>of us are interested in Maori language. This country that we call >>>>>>home is New Zealand.
the country be addressed that way. Any change requires a referendum, no >>>>>government has the right to make such a change without one.
country to be addressed in any particular way, or that people only use >>>>words in the English language. Are you saying that Chris Luxon was >>>>wrong to refer to our Country as Aotearoa? Equally there is no >>>>requirement for you to use anything but the words you know and are >>>>comfortable with. Comprendre?
I used the word Official, but you ignored that.
We are New Zealand, we are nothing else. Fact. Period.
What crap. This is one issue where Chris Luxon has followed the
practice of previous Prime Ministers and used the word Aotearoa as a >>legitimate and authorised name for our country where appropriate in
the performance of official duties - you are having another
brain-fart, Tony.
name only your last lot giving the media millions to promote theirs
and the Maori Parties policies of changing the countries name and
all English NZ place names to Maori ones and we can see the media's
social engineering every day with Maori first names and English
second.
On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 02:24:36 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:39:10 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo confusion. just good mannners. Something that is beyond your understanding.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:You are confused again, Tony. There is no law that requires the
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:52:12 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I couldn't agree more. This is New Zealand and official occasions demand that
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 13:47:08 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>wrote:Who are you talking to?
On 14 Sep 2024 22:38:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>
On 2024-09-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I can honestly say that I and everyone I know never refer to the >>>>>>>>country we live in as Aotearoa. Most often the words used are "this >>>>>>>>country" or "New Zealand".
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course I don't. You appear to be wanting to stop me using the word
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that >>>>>>>>>>>>>resonateshttps://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
with
me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever anybody
says.
I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and have no
dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or any >>>>>>>>>>>>>broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech? >>>>>>>>>>>Don't be offensive. It is you that wants to do that.
Aotearoa.
The objection is when and where the word Aotearoa is used. This orginal
article was about Sky using Aotearoa instead of NZ in an official event.
From my observations it is only the media who are pushing this. How often
does one hear Aotearoa on the streets of in the pub/cafe?
I have heard the current and past Prime Ministers using the word, both >>>>>>>within New Zealand and when traveling to other countries. It is >>>>>>>possible that they move in different circles to you, Gordon. And this >>>>>>>week is Maori Language week - you may hear that word, and a few other >>>>>>>Maori words, a little more often this week; if so however I doubt that >>>>>>>Karl du Fresne or this group will have influenced that at all.
And you are, in any case, deliberately missing the point.
You are correct Tony. I don't care what words our PMs use - either >>>>>current or past. I have no interest in the Maori language - this or >>>>>any other week. Rich seems to be often confused as to who he is >>>>>answering in his posts. He also seems to be confused about how many >>>>>of us are interested in Maori language. This country that we call >>>>>home is New Zealand.
the country be addressed that way. Any change requires a referendum, no >>>>government has the right to make such a change without one.
country to be addressed in any particular way, or that people only use >>>words in the English language. Are you saying that Chris Luxon was
wrong to refer to our Country as Aotearoa? Equally there is no >>>requirement for you to use anything but the words you know and are >>>comfortable with. Comprendre?
I used the word Official, but you ignored that.
We are New Zealand, we are nothing else. Fact. Period.
What crap. This is one issue where Chris Luxon has followed the
practice of previous Prime Ministers and used the word Aotearoa as a >legitimate and authorised name for our country where appropriate in
the performance of official duties - you are having another
brain-fart, Tony.
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:22:37 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>Yes there does, and you know it.
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 02:24:36 -0000 (UTC), TonyWhat crap Rich, There was never a referendum to change the countries
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:39:10 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No confusion. just good mannners. Something that is beyond your >>>>understanding.
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:You are confused again, Tony. There is no law that requires the >>>>>country to be addressed in any particular way, or that people only use >>>>>words in the English language. Are you saying that Chris Luxon was >>>>>wrong to refer to our Country as Aotearoa? Equally there is no >>>>>requirement for you to use anything but the words you know and are >>>>>comfortable with. Comprendre?
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:52:12 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I couldn't agree more. This is New Zealand and official occasions demand >>>>>>that
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 13:47:08 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>>>wrote:And you are, in any case, deliberately missing the point.
On 14 Sep 2024 22:38:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>
On 2024-09-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I can honestly say that I and everyone I know never refer to the >>>>>>>>>>country we live in as Aotearoa. Most often the words used are "this >>>>>>>>>>country" or "New Zealand".
On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Of course I don't. You appear to be wanting to stop me using the >>>>>>>>>>>>word
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>resonateshttps://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
with
me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anybody
says.
I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have no
dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any
broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech? >>>>>>>>>>>>>Don't be offensive. It is you that wants to do that.
Aotearoa.
The objection is when and where the word Aotearoa is used. This >>>>>>>>>>>orginal
article was about Sky using Aotearoa instead of NZ in an official >>>>>>>>>>>event.
From my observations it is only the media who are pushing this. How >>>>>>>>>>>often
does one hear Aotearoa on the streets of in the pub/cafe? >>>>>>>>>>>
I have heard the current and past Prime Ministers using the word, both >>>>>>>>>within New Zealand and when traveling to other countries. It is >>>>>>>>>possible that they move in different circles to you, Gordon. And this >>>>>>>>>week is Maori Language week - you may hear that word, and a few other >>>>>>>>>Maori words, a little more often this week; if so however I doubt that >>>>>>>>>Karl du Fresne or this group will have influenced that at all. >>>>>>>>Who are you talking to?
You are correct Tony. I don't care what words our PMs use - either >>>>>>>current or past. I have no interest in the Maori language - this or >>>>>>>any other week. Rich seems to be often confused as to who he is >>>>>>>answering in his posts. He also seems to be confused about how many >>>>>>>of us are interested in Maori language. This country that we call >>>>>>>home is New Zealand.
the country be addressed that way. Any change requires a referendum, no >>>>>>government has the right to make such a change without one.
I used the word Official, but you ignored that.
We are New Zealand, we are nothing else. Fact. Period.
What crap. This is one issue where Chris Luxon has followed the
practice of previous Prime Ministers and used the word Aotearoa as a >>>legitimate and authorised name for our country where appropriate in
the performance of official duties - you are having another
brain-fart, Tony.
name only your last lot giving the media millions to promote theirs
and the Maori Parties policies of changing the countries name and
all English NZ place names to Maori ones and we can see the media's
social engineering every day with Maori first names and English
second.
There does not need to be a referendum to change the countries name -
the name in English is New Zealand;No the name is New Zealand in all languages - it is our only name.
but Maori is another OfficialIrrelevant, just because another languiage exists does not mean there can be more names. That is just childish political; nonsense.
Language of New Zealand
and therefore the use of the name Aotearoa isYou just described yourself except put Marxist instead of right.. Your observation is irrelevant.
often used with no offence to the vast majority of the population -
from my observations being either thin skinned far Right wannabe
nutters or intolerant racists.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 18 Sep 2024 16:22:37 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>Yes there does, and you know it.
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 16 Sep 2024 02:24:36 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:What crap Rich, There was never a referendum to change the countries >>>name only your last lot giving the media millions to promote theirs
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 19:39:10 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:No confusion. just good mannners. Something that is beyond your >>>>>understanding.
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:You are confused again, Tony. There is no law that requires the >>>>>>country to be addressed in any particular way, or that people only use >>>>>>words in the English language. Are you saying that Chris Luxon was >>>>>>wrong to refer to our Country as Aotearoa? Equally there is no >>>>>>requirement for you to use anything but the words you know and are >>>>>>comfortable with. Comprendre?
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 07:52:12 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I couldn't agree more. This is New Zealand and official occasions demand >>>>>>>that
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 15 Sep 2024 13:47:08 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>>>>wrote:And you are, in any case, deliberately missing the point.
On 14 Sep 2024 22:38:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>
On 2024-09-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 14 Sep 2024 06:17:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I can honestly say that I and everyone I know never refer to the >>>>>>>>>>>country we live in as Aotearoa. Most often the words used are "this >>>>>>>>>>>country" or "New Zealand".
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Aotearoa.
On Fri, 13 Sep 2024 20:44:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
I may not agree totally with this but there is one part that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>resonateshttps://waikanaewatch.org/2024/09/14/karl-du-fresne-complains-to-the-bsa-about-the-use-by-legacy-media-of-aotearoa/
with
me.
Aotearoa is not the official name of this country, whatever >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>anybody
says.
I would welcome a referendum on the name of this country and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>have no
dislike
of
the word aotearoa, but it is not Sky's business to push it, or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>any
broadcaster
frankly.
I can't see a problem - are you seeking to limit free speech? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Don't be offensive. It is you that wants to do that. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course I don't. You appear to be wanting to stop me using the >>>>>>>>>>>>>word
The objection is when and where the word Aotearoa is used. This >>>>>>>>>>>>orginal
article was about Sky using Aotearoa instead of NZ in an official >>>>>>>>>>>>event.
From my observations it is only the media who are pushing this. How >>>>>>>>>>>>often
does one hear Aotearoa on the streets of in the pub/cafe? >>>>>>>>>>>>
I have heard the current and past Prime Ministers using the word, both
within New Zealand and when traveling to other countries. It is >>>>>>>>>>possible that they move in different circles to you, Gordon. And this >>>>>>>>>>week is Maori Language week - you may hear that word, and a few other >>>>>>>>>>Maori words, a little more often this week; if so however I doubt that
Karl du Fresne or this group will have influenced that at all. >>>>>>>>>Who are you talking to?
You are correct Tony. I don't care what words our PMs use - either >>>>>>>>current or past. I have no interest in the Maori language - this or >>>>>>>>any other week. Rich seems to be often confused as to who he is >>>>>>>>answering in his posts. He also seems to be confused about how many >>>>>>>>of us are interested in Maori language. This country that we call >>>>>>>>home is New Zealand.
the country be addressed that way. Any change requires a referendum, no >>>>>>>government has the right to make such a change without one.
I used the word Official, but you ignored that.
We are New Zealand, we are nothing else. Fact. Period.
What crap. This is one issue where Chris Luxon has followed the >>>>practice of previous Prime Ministers and used the word Aotearoa as a >>>>legitimate and authorised name for our country where appropriate in
the performance of official duties - you are having another >>>>brain-fart, Tony.
and the Maori Parties policies of changing the countries name and
all English NZ place names to Maori ones and we can see the media's >>>social engineering every day with Maori first names and English
second.
There does not need to be a referendum to change the countries name -
the name in English is New Zealand;No the name is New Zealand in all languages - it is our only name.
but Maori is another OfficialIrrelevant, just because another languiage exists does not mean there can be more names. That is just childish political; nonsense.
Language of New Zealand
and therefore the use of the name Aotearoa isYou just described yourself except put Marxist instead of right.. Your observation is irrelevant.
often used with no offence to the vast majority of the population -
from my observations being either thin skinned far Right wannabe
nutters or intolerant racists.
And you continue to ignore the actual sunject here. And you continue to use abuse.
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