• Interesting comments from "NZ Media Watch"

    From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 20 09:00:44 2024
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/09/30_one_sided_stories.html

    Note that although this is from Kiwiblog this is not about DPF but
    about the issue he has posted on. I am not an X user so cannot access
    the actual post, but if 'NZ Media Watch' is to be believed then RNZ
    does indeed have a bias problem.


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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 20 10:06:29 2024
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 09:00:44 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/09/30_one_sided_stories.html

    Note that although this is from Kiwiblog this is not about DPF but
    about the issue he has posted on. I am not an X user so cannot access
    the actual post, but if 'NZ Media Watch' is to be believed then RNZ
    does indeed have a bias problem.


    An interesting story, thanks for posting it, Crash.

    It starts: "New Zealanders overwhelmingly oppose Maori wards but last
    month RNZ published over 30 stories that 100% supported Council and
    Maori Activist views. See for yourself: https://rnz.co.nz/search/results?q=maori+ward&commit=Search "

    David Farrar appears to be getting more out of touch - the government
    recently forced Councils with Maori Wards to either get rid of them or
    face a requirement for a referendum at considerable cost at the next
    Council election. Of 42 Councils, two got rid of their Maori ward, and
    the rest, including many with a majority of "Conservative" Councilors,
    decided that they would keep the Maori Wards, but voiced
    disappointment at the interference in Council decisions from central government.

    I suspect that the Councils knew that if they caved on democratic
    principles such as "put it to a vote" to a dictatorial government
    decree now, they will never have the ability to make local decisions
    locally - they would be letting themselves be just another
    organisation subservient to the government of the day. They are also
    letting local voters know that they support democracy rather than
    ACT/NATFirst dictat - while they deplored the cost, they see that
    doing away with Maori Wards should, if a decision by Council is to be countermanded, be made by a vote of those who elected them, not by a
    new Government that they saw as overstepping their authority and
    putting the views of a Minister of the Crown ahead of local democracy.

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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to Crash on Thu Sep 19 23:15:45 2024
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote: >https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/09/30_one_sided_stories.html
    Note that although this is from Kiwiblog this is not about DPF but
    about the issue he has posted on. I am not an X user so cannot access
    the actual post, but if 'NZ Media Watch' is to be believed then RNZ
    does indeed have a bias problem.

    Of course they do, but I continue to read RNZ because they are the
    best of a bad bunch, largely because of their simple & reader-friendly
    format. As for the Maori wards, we will simply find out at election
    time when the anonymous vote reveals the true pulse of the public. I
    expect Maori wards to be rejected all over NZ. The next thrust of
    leftist policy will be to repeal anonymous voting.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Sep 20 00:07:11 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 09:00:44 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/09/30_one_sided_stories.html

    Note that although this is from Kiwiblog this is not about DPF but
    about the issue he has posted on. I am not an X user so cannot access
    the actual post, but if 'NZ Media Watch' is to be believed then RNZ
    does indeed have a bias problem.


    An interesting story, thanks for posting it, Crash.

    It starts: "New Zealanders overwhelmingly oppose Maori wards but last
    month RNZ published over 30 stories that 100% supported Council and
    Maori Activist views. See for yourself: >https://rnz.co.nz/search/results?q=maori+ward&commit=Search "

    David Farrar appears to be getting more out of touch - the government >recently forced Councils with Maori Wards to either get rid of them or
    face a requirement for a referendum at considerable cost at the next
    Council election. Of 42 Councils, two got rid of their Maori ward, and
    the rest, including many with a majority of "Conservative" Councilors, >decided that they would keep the Maori Wards, but voiced
    disappointment at the interference in Council decisions from central >government.

    I suspect that the Councils knew that if they caved on democratic
    principles such as "put it to a vote" to a dictatorial government
    decree now, they will never have the ability to make local decisions
    locally - they would be letting themselves be just another
    organisation subservient to the government of the day. They are also
    letting local voters know that they support democracy rather than >ACT/NATFirst dictat - while they deplored the cost, they see that
    doing away with Maori Wards should, if a decision by Council is to be >countermanded, be made by a vote of those who elected them, not by a
    new Government that they saw as overstepping their authority and
    putting the views of a Minister of the Crown ahead of local democracy.
    The previous government undemocratically and without a mandate forced race based wards on councils and the people they serve. This government is putting the decision back where it belongs, with the people.
    All else is hot air and racist rhetoric.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 20 13:41:30 2024
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 10:06:29 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 09:00:44 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/09/30_one_sided_stories.html

    Note that although this is from Kiwiblog this is not about DPF but
    about the issue he has posted on. I am not an X user so cannot access
    the actual post, but if 'NZ Media Watch' is to be believed then RNZ
    does indeed have a bias problem.


    An interesting story, thanks for posting it, Crash.

    It starts: "New Zealanders overwhelmingly oppose Maori wards but last
    month RNZ published over 30 stories that 100% supported Council and
    Maori Activist views. See for yourself: >https://rnz.co.nz/search/results?q=maori+ward&commit=Search "

    David Farrar appears to be getting more out of touch - the government >recently forced Councils with Maori Wards to either get rid of them or
    face a requirement for a referendum at considerable cost at the next
    Council election.

    That is not correct. Only local bodies that have established Maori
    wards since the referendum requirement was removed now have to either disestablish the Maori ward or run a referendum. This is a
    re-instated cost, not a new one, though inflation may have increased
    it slightly.

    Of 42 Councils, two got rid of their Maori ward, and
    the rest, including many with a majority of "Conservative" Councilors, >decided that they would keep the Maori Wards, but voiced
    disappointment at the interference in Council decisions from central >government.


    Councilors cannot logically object to re-introducing a referendum
    requirement.

    I suspect that the Councils knew that if they caved on democratic
    principles such as "put it to a vote" to a dictatorial government
    decree now, they will never have the ability to make local decisions
    locally - they would be letting themselves be just another
    organisation subservient to the government of the day. They are also
    letting local voters know that they support democracy rather than >ACT/NATFirst dictat - while they deplored the cost, they see that
    doing away with Maori Wards should, if a decision by Council is to be >countermanded, be made by a vote of those who elected them, not by a
    new Government that they saw as overstepping their authority and
    putting the views of a Minister of the Crown ahead of local democracy.

    So removing the right to a referendum was not dictatorial? Oh yes it
    was, and it was not a policy Labour announced prior to the 2020
    election so they had no mandate to do it.

    The rest of your rant is simply political rhetoric. The current
    government has simply re-introduced a prior requirement to run a
    referendum on new Maori wards. That was a clearly-stated NZ First
    policy and included in the coalition agreement between National and NZ
    First.


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