• Its all about Fairness and Trust - and some friendly gossip!

    From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 20 16:49:54 2024
    https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff and
    rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. As the
    article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing the
    types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously hard-news
    website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social media-based
    articles."

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Sep 20 07:03:54 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff and
    rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. As the >article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing the
    types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously hard-news
    website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social media-based >articles."
    RNZ is a blatantly pro left organisation and is anti this government for that reason alone.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sat Sep 21 06:46:38 2024
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:03:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff and >>rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. As the >>article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing the
    types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously hard-news
    website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social media-based >>articles."
    RNZ is a blatantly pro left organisation and is anti this government for that >reason alone.
    What rubbish; all RNZ wants is the opportunity to interviews, which traditionally will ask some hard questions but will also give an
    opportunity for a politician to say what he also wants to say. They
    appear to be only prepared to answer questions that they like - try
    listening to Media Watch - they do not see RNZ as at all biased - they
    will ask hard questions of all politicians as well as the easy ones.
    After all, did not Christopher Luxon say that his government would
    govern for the benefit of all New Zealanders?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Sep 20 19:30:35 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:03:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff and >>>rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. As the >>>article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing the
    types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously hard-news >>>website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social media-based >>>articles."
    RNZ is a blatantly pro left organisation and is anti this government for that >>reason alone.
    What rubbish; all RNZ wants is the opportunity to interviews, which >traditionally will ask some hard questions but will also give an
    opportunity for a politician to say what he also wants to say. They
    appear to be only prepared to answer questions that they like - try
    listening to Media Watch - they do not see RNZ as at all biased - they
    will ask hard questions of all politicians as well as the easy ones.
    After all, did not Christopher Luxon say that his government would
    govern for the benefit of all New Zealanders?
    Not rubbish at all. You have always chose RNZ as a source because it follows your lost cause.
    The last PM refused interviews many times, no surprise really considering she had no credentials.
    Luxon merely wants balance, unlike you.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 21 10:50:12 2024
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 16:49:54 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff and
    rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. As the >article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing the
    types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously hard-news
    website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social media-based >articles."

    A posted a day or 2 ago on RNZ 'fairness':

    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/09/30_one_sided_stories.html

    In the context of this thread, an example of bias is laid bare.


    --
    Crash McBash

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Tony on Fri Sep 20 23:04:21 2024
    On 2024-09-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:03:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff and >>>>rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. As the >>>>article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing the >>>>types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously hard-news >>>>website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social media-based >>>>articles."
    RNZ is a blatantly pro left organisation and is anti this government for that
    reason alone.
    What rubbish; all RNZ wants is the opportunity to interviews, which >>traditionally will ask some hard questions but will also give an >>opportunity for a politician to say what he also wants to say. They
    appear to be only prepared to answer questions that they like - try >>listening to Media Watch - they do not see RNZ as at all biased - they
    will ask hard questions of all politicians as well as the easy ones.
    After all, did not Christopher Luxon say that his government would
    govern for the benefit of all New Zealanders?
    Not rubbish at all. You have always chose RNZ as a source because it follows your lost cause.
    The last PM refused interviews many times, no surprise really considering she had no credentials.
    Luxon merely wants balance, unlike you.

    Balance comes when you consider the wishes of all of the people of the
    country you are Governing.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 21 18:22:47 2024
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 10:50:12 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 16:49:54 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff and >>rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. As the >>article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing the
    types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously hard-news
    website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social media-based >>articles."

    A posted a day or 2 ago on RNZ 'fairness':

    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/09/30_one_sided_stories.html

    In the context of this thread, an example of bias is laid bare.

    by this comment it may be a hugely one-sided reader . .
    "I have not checked all the stories out, but hugely one-sided
    reporting if true."

    So who is behind "NZ Media Watch"?

    See: https://x.com/nz_media_watch and
    https://nzmediawatch.com/ and
    https://nzmediawatch.com/about-nz-media-watch.pdf

    Gosh what a surprise that the NZ Taxpayer Union gets featured, as well
    as harking back to Kelly-Jay Keen.

    I haven't bothered searching further, but this looks as though it may
    be another vehicle for Peter Williams, (Last time I looked he seemed
    to have disappeared from "The Centrist" or its earlier incarnation . .
    .

    so thanks for the warning, Crash, it certainly appears that there may
    have been quite a bit of bias, just not from RNZ . . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Sat Sep 21 08:56:05 2024
    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-09-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:03:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff and >>>>>rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. As the >>>>>article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing the >>>>>types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously hard-news >>>>>website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social media-based >>>>>articles."
    RNZ is a blatantly pro left organisation and is anti this government for >>>>that
    reason alone.
    What rubbish; all RNZ wants is the opportunity to interviews, which >>>traditionally will ask some hard questions but will also give an >>>opportunity for a politician to say what he also wants to say. They >>>appear to be only prepared to answer questions that they like - try >>>listening to Media Watch - they do not see RNZ as at all biased - they >>>will ask hard questions of all politicians as well as the easy ones. >>>After all, did not Christopher Luxon say that his government would
    govern for the benefit of all New Zealanders?
    Not rubbish at all. You have always chose RNZ as a source because it follows >> your lost cause.
    The last PM refused interviews many times, no surprise really considering >>she
    had no credentials.
    Luxon merely wants balance, unlike you.

    Balance comes when you consider the wishes of all of the people of the >country you are Governing.
    Yes that is correct. If anything the PM is bending over backwards to be fair to Maori as he should, pity there is no acknowledgement of that from the racist Maori whpo want superior rights to the rest of NZ.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sat Sep 21 21:25:47 2024
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:56:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-09-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:03:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff and >>>>>>rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. As the >>>>>>article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing the >>>>>>types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously hard-news >>>>>>website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social media-based >>>>>>articles."
    RNZ is a blatantly pro left organisation and is anti this government for >>>>>that
    reason alone.
    What rubbish; all RNZ wants is the opportunity to interviews, which >>>>traditionally will ask some hard questions but will also give an >>>>opportunity for a politician to say what he also wants to say. They >>>>appear to be only prepared to answer questions that they like - try >>>>listening to Media Watch - they do not see RNZ as at all biased - they >>>>will ask hard questions of all politicians as well as the easy ones. >>>>After all, did not Christopher Luxon say that his government would >>>>govern for the benefit of all New Zealanders?
    Not rubbish at all. You have always chose RNZ as a source because it follows
    your lost cause.
    The last PM refused interviews many times, no surprise really considering >>>she
    had no credentials.
    Luxon merely wants balance, unlike you.

    Balance comes when you consider the wishes of all of the people of the >>country you are Governing.
    Yes that is correct. If anything the PM is bending over backwards to be fair to
    Maori as he should, pity there is no acknowledgement of that from the racist >Maori whpo want superior rights to the rest of NZ.

    Things like sanctity of contract - except that is just what NActFirst
    are wanting to discard for Maori - and the Courts appear to believe
    there are issues that need to be investigated first.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat Sep 21 20:28:13 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:56:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-09-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:03:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff and >>>>>>>rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. As the >>>>>>>article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing the >>>>>>>types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously hard-news >>>>>>>website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social media-based >>>>>>>articles."
    RNZ is a blatantly pro left organisation and is anti this government for >>>>>>that
    reason alone.
    What rubbish; all RNZ wants is the opportunity to interviews, which >>>>>traditionally will ask some hard questions but will also give an >>>>>opportunity for a politician to say what he also wants to say. They >>>>>appear to be only prepared to answer questions that they like - try >>>>>listening to Media Watch - they do not see RNZ as at all biased - they >>>>>will ask hard questions of all politicians as well as the easy ones. >>>>>After all, did not Christopher Luxon say that his government would >>>>>govern for the benefit of all New Zealanders?
    Not rubbish at all. You have always chose RNZ as a source because it >>>>follows
    your lost cause.
    The last PM refused interviews many times, no surprise really considering >>>>she
    had no credentials.
    Luxon merely wants balance, unlike you.

    Balance comes when you consider the wishes of all of the people of the >>>country you are Governing.
    Yes that is correct. If anything the PM is bending over backwards to be fair >>to
    Maori as he should, pity there is no acknowledgement of that from the racist >>Maori whpo want superior rights to the rest of NZ.

    Things like sanctity of contract
    There is no contract at risk. You are lying.
    - except that is just what NActFirst
    are wanting to discard for Maori
    They do not wish to discard anything that Maori are entitlled to. You are lying.
    - and the Courts appear to believe
    there are issues that need to be investigated first.
    Then they should represent those thoughts to government and not make decisions that are well outside their province.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sun Sep 22 08:35:20 2024
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:28:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:56:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-09-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:03:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff and >>>>>>>>rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. As the >>>>>>>>article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing the >>>>>>>>types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously hard-news >>>>>>>>website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social media-based >>>>>>>>articles."
    RNZ is a blatantly pro left organisation and is anti this government for >>>>>>>that
    reason alone.
    What rubbish; all RNZ wants is the opportunity to interviews, which >>>>>>traditionally will ask some hard questions but will also give an >>>>>>opportunity for a politician to say what he also wants to say. They >>>>>>appear to be only prepared to answer questions that they like - try >>>>>>listening to Media Watch - they do not see RNZ as at all biased - they >>>>>>will ask hard questions of all politicians as well as the easy ones. >>>>>>After all, did not Christopher Luxon say that his government would >>>>>>govern for the benefit of all New Zealanders?
    Not rubbish at all. You have always chose RNZ as a source because it >>>>>follows
    your lost cause.
    The last PM refused interviews many times, no surprise really considering >>>>>she
    had no credentials.
    Luxon merely wants balance, unlike you.

    Balance comes when you consider the wishes of all of the people of the >>>>country you are Governing.
    Yes that is correct. If anything the PM is bending over backwards to be fair >>>to
    Maori as he should, pity there is no acknowledgement of that from the racist >>>Maori whpo want superior rights to the rest of NZ.

    Things like sanctity of contract
    There is no contract at risk. You are lying.
    - except that is just what NActFirst
    are wanting to discard for Maori
    They do not wish to discard anything that Maori are entitlled to. You are lying.
    - and the Courts appear to believe
    there are issues that need to be investigated first.
    Then they should represent those thoughts to government and not make decisions >that are well outside their province.

    A case has been brought before the court - they must deal with it, but
    you want them to ask the government what verdict they want before
    hearing the case? Do you want them to salute the Fuehrer when they
    ask?

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 22 08:35:53 2024
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 18:22:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 10:50:12 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 16:49:54 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
    https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff and >>>rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. As the >>>article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing the
    types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously hard-news >>>website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social media-based >>>articles."

    A posted a day or 2 ago on RNZ 'fairness':

    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2024/09/30_one_sided_stories.html

    In the context of this thread, an example of bias is laid bare.

    by this comment it may be a hugely one-sided reader . .
    "I have not checked all the stories out, but hugely one-sided
    reporting if true."

    So who is behind "NZ Media Watch"?

    See: https://x.com/nz_media_watch and
    https://nzmediawatch.com/ and
    https://nzmediawatch.com/about-nz-media-watch.pdf

    Gosh what a surprise that the NZ Taxpayer Union gets featured, as well
    as harking back to Kelly-Jay Keen.

    I haven't bothered searching further, but this looks as though it may
    be another vehicle for Peter Williams, (Last time I looked he seemed
    to have disappeared from "The Centrist" or its earlier incarnation . .
    .

    so thanks for the warning, Crash, it certainly appears that there may
    have been quite a bit of bias, just not from RNZ . . .

    Rich you have no idea who is behind Mediawatch. None of the links
    above give any clue on this. As usual you descend into political
    rhetoric simply because you oppose the viewpoint they express. Don't
    bother searching further, they protect there anonymity, so you cannot
    attach them with conspiracy theories about who they might be linked
    to.


    --
    Crash McBash

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat Sep 21 21:47:41 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:28:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:56:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-09-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:03:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff and >>>>>>>>>rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. As the >>>>>>>>>article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing the >>>>>>>>>types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously hard-news >>>>>>>>>website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social media-based >>>>>>>>>articles."
    RNZ is a blatantly pro left organisation and is anti this government >>>>>>>>for
    that
    reason alone.
    What rubbish; all RNZ wants is the opportunity to interviews, which >>>>>>>traditionally will ask some hard questions but will also give an >>>>>>>opportunity for a politician to say what he also wants to say. They >>>>>>>appear to be only prepared to answer questions that they like - try >>>>>>>listening to Media Watch - they do not see RNZ as at all biased - they >>>>>>>will ask hard questions of all politicians as well as the easy ones. >>>>>>>After all, did not Christopher Luxon say that his government would >>>>>>>govern for the benefit of all New Zealanders?
    Not rubbish at all. You have always chose RNZ as a source because it >>>>>>follows
    your lost cause.
    The last PM refused interviews many times, no surprise really >>>>>>considering
    she
    had no credentials.
    Luxon merely wants balance, unlike you.

    Balance comes when you consider the wishes of all of the people of the >>>>>country you are Governing.
    Yes that is correct. If anything the PM is bending over backwards to be >>>>fair
    to
    Maori as he should, pity there is no acknowledgement of that from the >>>>racist
    Maori whpo want superior rights to the rest of NZ.

    Things like sanctity of contract
    There is no contract at risk. You are lying.
    - except that is just what NActFirst
    are wanting to discard for Maori
    They do not wish to discard anything that Maori are entitlled to. You are >>lying.
    - and the Courts appear to believe
    there are issues that need to be investigated first.
    Then they should represent those thoughts to government and not make >>decisions
    that are well outside their province.

    A case has been brought before the court - they must deal with it, but
    you want them to ask the government what verdict they want before
    hearing the case? Do you want them to salute the Fuehrer when they
    ask?
    I want nothing of the sort.
    Your abuse becomes worse when you are idiotically wrong as in this case.
    Go away little boy and grow a brain.
    The courts are to do the bidding of government. Period, there is no room for debate on that otherwise you are opposed to democracy and justice. Come to think of it, that is what you are isn't it?

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 22 11:48:54 2024
    On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 08:35:20 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:28:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:56:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-09-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:03:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff and >>>>>>>>>rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. As the >>>>>>>>>article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing the >>>>>>>>>types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously hard-news >>>>>>>>>website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social media-based >>>>>>>>>articles."
    RNZ is a blatantly pro left organisation and is anti this government for
    that
    reason alone.
    What rubbish; all RNZ wants is the opportunity to interviews, which >>>>>>>traditionally will ask some hard questions but will also give an >>>>>>>opportunity for a politician to say what he also wants to say. They >>>>>>>appear to be only prepared to answer questions that they like - try >>>>>>>listening to Media Watch - they do not see RNZ as at all biased - they >>>>>>>will ask hard questions of all politicians as well as the easy ones. >>>>>>>After all, did not Christopher Luxon say that his government would >>>>>>>govern for the benefit of all New Zealanders?
    Not rubbish at all. You have always chose RNZ as a source because it >>>>>>follows
    your lost cause.
    The last PM refused interviews many times, no surprise really considering
    she
    had no credentials.
    Luxon merely wants balance, unlike you.

    Balance comes when you consider the wishes of all of the people of the >>>>>country you are Governing.
    Yes that is correct. If anything the PM is bending over backwards to be fair
    to
    Maori as he should, pity there is no acknowledgement of that from the racist
    Maori whpo want superior rights to the rest of NZ.

    Things like sanctity of contract
    There is no contract at risk. You are lying.
    - except that is just what NActFirst
    are wanting to discard for Maori
    They do not wish to discard anything that Maori are entitlled to. You are lying.
    - and the Courts appear to believe
    there are issues that need to be investigated first.
    Then they should represent those thoughts to government and not make decisions
    that are well outside their province.

    A case has been brought before the court - they must deal with it,

    Correct.

    but
    you want them to ask the government what verdict they want before
    hearing the case? Do you want them to salute the Fuehrer when they
    ask?

    What utter, irrational nonsense.


    --
    Crash McBash

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mutley@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Sep 22 14:37:17 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff and
    rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. As the >article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing the
    types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously hard-news
    website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social media-based >articles."


    Independent?? BS they're all pro Labor / Maori and the left

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 22 19:26:18 2024
    On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 11:48:54 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 08:35:20 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:28:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:56:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-09-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:03:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff and >>>>>>>>>>rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. As the
    article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing the >>>>>>>>>>types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously hard-news >>>>>>>>>>website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social media-based >>>>>>>>>>articles."
    RNZ is a blatantly pro left organisation and is anti this government for
    that
    reason alone.
    What rubbish; all RNZ wants is the opportunity to interviews, which >>>>>>>>traditionally will ask some hard questions but will also give an >>>>>>>>opportunity for a politician to say what he also wants to say. They >>>>>>>>appear to be only prepared to answer questions that they like - try >>>>>>>>listening to Media Watch - they do not see RNZ as at all biased - they >>>>>>>>will ask hard questions of all politicians as well as the easy ones. >>>>>>>>After all, did not Christopher Luxon say that his government would >>>>>>>>govern for the benefit of all New Zealanders?
    Not rubbish at all. You have always chose RNZ as a source because it >>>>>>>follows
    your lost cause.
    The last PM refused interviews many times, no surprise really considering
    she
    had no credentials.
    Luxon merely wants balance, unlike you.

    Balance comes when you consider the wishes of all of the people of the >>>>>>country you are Governing.
    Yes that is correct. If anything the PM is bending over backwards to be fair
    to
    Maori as he should, pity there is no acknowledgement of that from the racist
    Maori whpo want superior rights to the rest of NZ.

    Things like sanctity of contract
    There is no contract at risk. You are lying.
    - except that is just what NActFirst
    are wanting to discard for Maori
    They do not wish to discard anything that Maori are entitlled to. You are lying.
    - and the Courts appear to believe
    there are issues that need to be investigated first.
    Then they should represent those thoughts to government and not make decisions
    that are well outside their province.

    A case has been brought before the court - they must deal with it,

    Correct.

    but
    you want them to ask the government what verdict they want before
    hearing the case? Do you want them to salute the Fuehrer when they
    ask?

    What utter, irrational nonsense.

    I agree, Crash - suggesting that the Courts either would or even worse
    should put the wishes of government ahead of the law as it currently
    stands and evidence before the Court is an obscene suggestion from a
    poster that clearly does not understand the rule of law.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Sep 22 08:12:50 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 11:48:54 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 08:35:20 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:

    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:28:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:56:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-09-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:03:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff and >>>>>>>>>>>rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. As >>>>>>>>>>>the
    article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing the >>>>>>>>>>>types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously hard-news >>>>>>>>>>>website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social media-based >>>>>>>>>>>articles."
    RNZ is a blatantly pro left organisation and is anti this government >>>>>>>>>>for
    that
    reason alone.
    What rubbish; all RNZ wants is the opportunity to interviews, which >>>>>>>>>traditionally will ask some hard questions but will also give an >>>>>>>>>opportunity for a politician to say what he also wants to say. They >>>>>>>>>appear to be only prepared to answer questions that they like - try >>>>>>>>>listening to Media Watch - they do not see RNZ as at all biased - they >>>>>>>>>will ask hard questions of all politicians as well as the easy ones. >>>>>>>>>After all, did not Christopher Luxon say that his government would >>>>>>>>>govern for the benefit of all New Zealanders?
    Not rubbish at all. You have always chose RNZ as a source because it >>>>>>>>follows
    your lost cause.
    The last PM refused interviews many times, no surprise really >>>>>>>>considering
    she
    had no credentials.
    Luxon merely wants balance, unlike you.

    Balance comes when you consider the wishes of all of the people of the >>>>>>>country you are Governing.
    Yes that is correct. If anything the PM is bending over backwards to be >>>>>>fair
    to
    Maori as he should, pity there is no acknowledgement of that from the >>>>>>racist
    Maori whpo want superior rights to the rest of NZ.

    Things like sanctity of contract
    There is no contract at risk. You are lying.
    - except that is just what NActFirst
    are wanting to discard for Maori
    They do not wish to discard anything that Maori are entitlled to. You are >>>>lying.
    - and the Courts appear to believe
    there are issues that need to be investigated first.
    Then they should represent those thoughts to government and not make >>>>decisions
    that are well outside their province.

    A case has been brought before the court - they must deal with it,

    Correct.

    but
    you want them to ask the government what verdict they want before
    hearing the case? Do you want them to salute the Fuehrer when they
    ask?

    What utter, irrational nonsense.

    I agree, Crash
    In that case why did you write it, at least you have now retracted the nonsense you wrote.
    - suggesting that the Courts either would or even worse
    should put the wishes of government ahead of the law as it currently
    stands and evidence before the Court is an obscene suggestion from a
    poster that clearly does not understand the rule of law.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Sep 22 08:14:26 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 21:47:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:28:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:56:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-09-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:03:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff and >>>>>>>>>>>rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. As >>>>>>>>>>>the
    article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing the >>>>>>>>>>>types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously hard-news >>>>>>>>>>>website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social media-based >>>>>>>>>>>articles."
    RNZ is a blatantly pro left organisation and is anti this government >>>>>>>>>>for
    that
    reason alone.
    What rubbish; all RNZ wants is the opportunity to interviews, which >>>>>>>>>traditionally will ask some hard questions but will also give an >>>>>>>>>opportunity for a politician to say what he also wants to say. They >>>>>>>>>appear to be only prepared to answer questions that they like - try >>>>>>>>>listening to Media Watch - they do not see RNZ as at all biased - they >>>>>>>>>will ask hard questions of all politicians as well as the easy ones. >>>>>>>>>After all, did not Christopher Luxon say that his government would >>>>>>>>>govern for the benefit of all New Zealanders?
    Not rubbish at all. You have always chose RNZ as a source because it >>>>>>>>follows
    your lost cause.
    The last PM refused interviews many times, no surprise really >>>>>>>>considering
    she
    had no credentials.
    Luxon merely wants balance, unlike you.

    Balance comes when you consider the wishes of all of the people of the >>>>>>>country you are Governing.
    Yes that is correct. If anything the PM is bending over backwards to be >>>>>>fair
    to
    Maori as he should, pity there is no acknowledgement of that from the >>>>>>racist
    Maori whpo want superior rights to the rest of NZ.

    Things like sanctity of contract
    There is no contract at risk. You are lying.
    - except that is just what NActFirst
    are wanting to discard for Maori
    They do not wish to discard anything that Maori are entitlled to. You are >>>>lying.
    - and the Courts appear to believe
    there are issues that need to be investigated first.
    Then they should represent those thoughts to government and not make >>>>decisions
    that are well outside their province.

    A case has been brought before the court - they must deal with it, but >>>you want them to ask the government what verdict they want before
    hearing the case? Do you want them to salute the Fuehrer when they
    ask?
    I want nothing of the sort.
    Your abuse becomes worse when you are idiotically wrong as in this case.
    Go away little boy and grow a brain.
    The courts are to do the bidding of government. Period, there is no room for >>debate on that otherwise you are opposed to democracy and justice. Come to >>think of it, that is what you are isn't it?

    You are wrong - the Court will listen to government representatives in >respect of cases where they are represented, but they will base
    decisions on both evidence and laws that have been passed by
    parliament - whenever that was. You are correct that Maori have taken
    a case in relation to their interests arising from actions of the
    government, but the "bidding of government" will depend on its success
    on the merits of their case. Understand?
    Absolute garbage. You are so wrong that you deserve to be laughed at. Having said that, your comments are consitent with your Marxist mantra.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sun Sep 22 19:23:38 2024
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 21:47:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:28:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:56:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-09-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:03:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff and >>>>>>>>>>rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. As the
    article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing the >>>>>>>>>>types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously hard-news >>>>>>>>>>website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social media-based >>>>>>>>>>articles."
    RNZ is a blatantly pro left organisation and is anti this government >>>>>>>>>for
    that
    reason alone.
    What rubbish; all RNZ wants is the opportunity to interviews, which >>>>>>>>traditionally will ask some hard questions but will also give an >>>>>>>>opportunity for a politician to say what he also wants to say. They >>>>>>>>appear to be only prepared to answer questions that they like - try >>>>>>>>listening to Media Watch - they do not see RNZ as at all biased - they >>>>>>>>will ask hard questions of all politicians as well as the easy ones. >>>>>>>>After all, did not Christopher Luxon say that his government would >>>>>>>>govern for the benefit of all New Zealanders?
    Not rubbish at all. You have always chose RNZ as a source because it >>>>>>>follows
    your lost cause.
    The last PM refused interviews many times, no surprise really >>>>>>>considering
    she
    had no credentials.
    Luxon merely wants balance, unlike you.

    Balance comes when you consider the wishes of all of the people of the >>>>>>country you are Governing.
    Yes that is correct. If anything the PM is bending over backwards to be >>>>>fair
    to
    Maori as he should, pity there is no acknowledgement of that from the >>>>>racist
    Maori whpo want superior rights to the rest of NZ.

    Things like sanctity of contract
    There is no contract at risk. You are lying.
    - except that is just what NActFirst
    are wanting to discard for Maori
    They do not wish to discard anything that Maori are entitlled to. You are >>>lying.
    - and the Courts appear to believe
    there are issues that need to be investigated first.
    Then they should represent those thoughts to government and not make >>>decisions
    that are well outside their province.

    A case has been brought before the court - they must deal with it, but
    you want them to ask the government what verdict they want before
    hearing the case? Do you want them to salute the Fuehrer when they
    ask?
    I want nothing of the sort.
    Your abuse becomes worse when you are idiotically wrong as in this case.
    Go away little boy and grow a brain.
    The courts are to do the bidding of government. Period, there is no room for >debate on that otherwise you are opposed to democracy and justice. Come to >think of it, that is what you are isn't it?

    You are wrong - the Court will listen to government representatives in
    respect of cases where they are represented, but they will base
    decisions on both evidence and laws that have been passed by
    parliament - whenever that was. You are correct that Maori have taken
    a case in relation to their interests arising from actions of the
    government, but the "bidding of government" will depend on its success
    on the merits of their case. Understand?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Mon Sep 23 11:46:14 2024
    On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 08:14:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 21:47:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:28:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:56:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-09-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:03:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff and >>>>>>>>>>>>rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. As >>>>>>>>>>>>the
    article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing the >>>>>>>>>>>>types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously hard-news >>>>>>>>>>>>website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social media-based >>>>>>>>>>>>articles."
    RNZ is a blatantly pro left organisation and is anti this government >>>>>>>>>>>for
    that
    reason alone.
    What rubbish; all RNZ wants is the opportunity to interviews, which >>>>>>>>>>traditionally will ask some hard questions but will also give an >>>>>>>>>>opportunity for a politician to say what he also wants to say. They >>>>>>>>>>appear to be only prepared to answer questions that they like - try >>>>>>>>>>listening to Media Watch - they do not see RNZ as at all biased - they
    will ask hard questions of all politicians as well as the easy ones. >>>>>>>>>>After all, did not Christopher Luxon say that his government would >>>>>>>>>>govern for the benefit of all New Zealanders?
    Not rubbish at all. You have always chose RNZ as a source because it >>>>>>>>>follows
    your lost cause.
    The last PM refused interviews many times, no surprise really >>>>>>>>>considering
    she
    had no credentials.
    Luxon merely wants balance, unlike you.

    Balance comes when you consider the wishes of all of the people of the >>>>>>>>country you are Governing.
    Yes that is correct. If anything the PM is bending over backwards to be >>>>>>>fair
    to
    Maori as he should, pity there is no acknowledgement of that from the >>>>>>>racist
    Maori whpo want superior rights to the rest of NZ.

    Things like sanctity of contract
    There is no contract at risk. You are lying.
    - except that is just what NActFirst
    are wanting to discard for Maori
    They do not wish to discard anything that Maori are entitlled to. You are >>>>>lying.
    - and the Courts appear to believe
    there are issues that need to be investigated first.
    Then they should represent those thoughts to government and not make >>>>>decisions
    that are well outside their province.

    A case has been brought before the court - they must deal with it, but >>>>you want them to ask the government what verdict they want before >>>>hearing the case? Do you want them to salute the Fuehrer when they
    ask?
    I want nothing of the sort.
    Your abuse becomes worse when you are idiotically wrong as in this case. >>>Go away little boy and grow a brain.
    The courts are to do the bidding of government. Period, there is no room for >>>debate on that otherwise you are opposed to democracy and justice. Come to >>>think of it, that is what you are isn't it?

    You are wrong - the Court will listen to government representatives in >>respect of cases where they are represented, but they will base
    decisions on both evidence and laws that have been passed by
    parliament - whenever that was. You are correct that Maori have taken
    a case in relation to their interests arising from actions of the >>government, but the "bidding of government" will depend on its success
    on the merits of their case. Understand?
    Absolute garbage. You are so wrong that you deserve to be laughed at. Having >said that, your comments are consitent with your Marxist mantra. https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/supreme-court-orders-govt-to-pay-in-advance-for-maori-coastline-appeal/

    It would is perhaps be better for the government to win a court case
    on its merits than through deliberately withdrawing funding to force
    the other side to withdraw . . .

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Sep 23 01:43:01 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 08:14:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 21:47:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:28:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:56:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-09-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:03:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff and >>>>>>>>>>>>>rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. As >>>>>>>>>>>>>the
    article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing the >>>>>>>>>>>>>types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously hard-news
    website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social media-based
    articles."
    RNZ is a blatantly pro left organisation and is anti this >>>>>>>>>>>>government
    for
    that
    reason alone.
    What rubbish; all RNZ wants is the opportunity to interviews, which >>>>>>>>>>>traditionally will ask some hard questions but will also give an >>>>>>>>>>>opportunity for a politician to say what he also wants to say. They >>>>>>>>>>>appear to be only prepared to answer questions that they like - try >>>>>>>>>>>listening to Media Watch - they do not see RNZ as at all biased - >>>>>>>>>>>they
    will ask hard questions of all politicians as well as the easy ones. >>>>>>>>>>>After all, did not Christopher Luxon say that his government would >>>>>>>>>>>govern for the benefit of all New Zealanders?
    Not rubbish at all. You have always chose RNZ as a source because it >>>>>>>>>>follows
    your lost cause.
    The last PM refused interviews many times, no surprise really >>>>>>>>>>considering
    she
    had no credentials.
    Luxon merely wants balance, unlike you.

    Balance comes when you consider the wishes of all of the people of the >>>>>>>>>country you are Governing.
    Yes that is correct. If anything the PM is bending over backwards to be >>>>>>>>fair
    to
    Maori as he should, pity there is no acknowledgement of that from the >>>>>>>>racist
    Maori whpo want superior rights to the rest of NZ.

    Things like sanctity of contract
    There is no contract at risk. You are lying.
    - except that is just what NActFirst
    are wanting to discard for Maori
    They do not wish to discard anything that Maori are entitlled to. You are >>>>>>lying.
    - and the Courts appear to believe
    there are issues that need to be investigated first.
    Then they should represent those thoughts to government and not make >>>>>>decisions
    that are well outside their province.

    A case has been brought before the court - they must deal with it, but >>>>>you want them to ask the government what verdict they want before >>>>>hearing the case? Do you want them to salute the Fuehrer when they >>>>>ask?
    I want nothing of the sort.
    Your abuse becomes worse when you are idiotically wrong as in this case. >>>>Go away little boy and grow a brain.
    The courts are to do the bidding of government. Period, there is no room >>>>for
    debate on that otherwise you are opposed to democracy and justice. Come to >>>>think of it, that is what you are isn't it?

    You are wrong - the Court will listen to government representatives in >>>respect of cases where they are represented, but they will base
    decisions on both evidence and laws that have been passed by
    parliament - whenever that was. You are correct that Maori have taken
    a case in relation to their interests arising from actions of the >>>government, but the "bidding of government" will depend on its success
    on the merits of their case. Understand?
    Absolute garbage. You are so wrong that you deserve to be laughed at. Having >>said that, your comments are consitent with your Marxist mantra. >https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/supreme-court-orders-govt-to-pay-in-advance-for-maori-coastline-appeal/

    It would is perhaps be better for the government to win a court case
    on its merits than through deliberately withdrawing funding to force
    the other side to withdraw . . .
    Nonsense. You are so wrong that you are now invested in the lie.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Mon Sep 23 15:46:11 2024
    On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 01:43:01 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 08:14:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 21:47:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:28:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:56:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-09-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:03:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff and
    rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. As
    the
    article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing the
    types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously hard-news
    website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social media-based
    articles."
    RNZ is a blatantly pro left organisation and is anti this >>>>>>>>>>>>>government
    for
    that
    reason alone.
    What rubbish; all RNZ wants is the opportunity to interviews, which >>>>>>>>>>>>traditionally will ask some hard questions but will also give an >>>>>>>>>>>>opportunity for a politician to say what he also wants to say. They >>>>>>>>>>>>appear to be only prepared to answer questions that they like - try >>>>>>>>>>>>listening to Media Watch - they do not see RNZ as at all biased - >>>>>>>>>>>>they
    will ask hard questions of all politicians as well as the easy ones.
    After all, did not Christopher Luxon say that his government would >>>>>>>>>>>>govern for the benefit of all New Zealanders?
    Not rubbish at all. You have always chose RNZ as a source because it
    follows
    your lost cause.
    The last PM refused interviews many times, no surprise really >>>>>>>>>>>considering
    she
    had no credentials.
    Luxon merely wants balance, unlike you.

    Balance comes when you consider the wishes of all of the people of the
    country you are Governing.
    Yes that is correct. If anything the PM is bending over backwards to be
    fair
    to
    Maori as he should, pity there is no acknowledgement of that from the >>>>>>>>>racist
    Maori whpo want superior rights to the rest of NZ.

    Things like sanctity of contract
    There is no contract at risk. You are lying.
    - except that is just what NActFirst
    are wanting to discard for Maori
    They do not wish to discard anything that Maori are entitlled to. You are
    lying.
    - and the Courts appear to believe
    there are issues that need to be investigated first.
    Then they should represent those thoughts to government and not make >>>>>>>decisions
    that are well outside their province.

    A case has been brought before the court - they must deal with it, but >>>>>>you want them to ask the government what verdict they want before >>>>>>hearing the case? Do you want them to salute the Fuehrer when they >>>>>>ask?
    I want nothing of the sort.
    Your abuse becomes worse when you are idiotically wrong as in this case. >>>>>Go away little boy and grow a brain.
    The courts are to do the bidding of government. Period, there is no room >>>>>for
    debate on that otherwise you are opposed to democracy and justice. Come to >>>>>think of it, that is what you are isn't it?

    You are wrong - the Court will listen to government representatives in >>>>respect of cases where they are represented, but they will base >>>>decisions on both evidence and laws that have been passed by
    parliament - whenever that was. You are correct that Maori have taken >>>>a case in relation to their interests arising from actions of the >>>>government, but the "bidding of government" will depend on its success >>>>on the merits of their case. Understand?
    Absolute garbage. You are so wrong that you deserve to be laughed at. Having >>>said that, your comments are consitent with your Marxist mantra. >>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/supreme-court-orders-govt-to-pay-in-advance-for-maori-coastline-appeal/

    It would is perhaps be better for the government to win a court case
    on its merits than through deliberately withdrawing funding to force
    the other side to withdraw . . .
    Nonsense. You are so wrong that you are now invested in the lie.

    I have been looking for politicians that represent your views, Tony -
    and I think this article describes politicians who you would very
    strongly agree with: . . . https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/09/18/speaker-johnson-trump-2024/

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Mon Sep 23 16:09:47 2024
    On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 03:58:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 01:43:01 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 08:14:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 21:47:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:28:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:56:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-09-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:03:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and
    rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As
    the
    article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
    types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hard-news
    website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>media-based
    articles."
    RNZ is a blatantly pro left organisation and is anti this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>government
    for
    that
    reason alone.
    What rubbish; all RNZ wants is the opportunity to interviews, which
    traditionally will ask some hard questions but will also give an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>opportunity for a politician to say what he also wants to say. They
    appear to be only prepared to answer questions that they like - try
    listening to Media Watch - they do not see RNZ as at all biased - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>they
    will ask hard questions of all politicians as well as the easy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>ones.
    After all, did not Christopher Luxon say that his government would
    govern for the benefit of all New Zealanders?
    Not rubbish at all. You have always chose RNZ as a source because >>>>>>>>>>>>>it
    follows
    your lost cause.
    The last PM refused interviews many times, no surprise really >>>>>>>>>>>>>considering
    she
    had no credentials.
    Luxon merely wants balance, unlike you.

    Balance comes when you consider the wishes of all of the people of >>>>>>>>>>>>the
    country you are Governing.
    Yes that is correct. If anything the PM is bending over backwards to >>>>>>>>>>>be
    fair
    to
    Maori as he should, pity there is no acknowledgement of that from the
    racist
    Maori whpo want superior rights to the rest of NZ.

    Things like sanctity of contract
    There is no contract at risk. You are lying.
    - except that is just what NActFirst
    are wanting to discard for Maori
    They do not wish to discard anything that Maori are entitlled to. You >>>>>>>>>are
    lying.
    - and the Courts appear to believe
    there are issues that need to be investigated first.
    Then they should represent those thoughts to government and not make >>>>>>>>>decisions
    that are well outside their province.

    A case has been brought before the court - they must deal with it, but >>>>>>>>you want them to ask the government what verdict they want before >>>>>>>>hearing the case? Do you want them to salute the Fuehrer when they >>>>>>>>ask?
    I want nothing of the sort.
    Your abuse becomes worse when you are idiotically wrong as in this case. >>>>>>>Go away little boy and grow a brain.
    The courts are to do the bidding of government. Period, there is no room >>>>>>>for
    debate on that otherwise you are opposed to democracy and justice. Come >>>>>>>to
    think of it, that is what you are isn't it?

    You are wrong - the Court will listen to government representatives in >>>>>>respect of cases where they are represented, but they will base >>>>>>decisions on both evidence and laws that have been passed by >>>>>>parliament - whenever that was. You are correct that Maori have taken >>>>>>a case in relation to their interests arising from actions of the >>>>>>government, but the "bidding of government" will depend on its success >>>>>>on the merits of their case. Understand?
    Absolute garbage. You are so wrong that you deserve to be laughed at. >>>>>Having
    said that, your comments are consitent with your Marxist mantra. >>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/supreme-court-orders-govt-to-pay-in-advance-for-maori-coastline-appeal/

    It would is perhaps be better for the government to win a court case
    on its merits than through deliberately withdrawing funding to force >>>>the other side to withdraw . . .
    Nonsense. You are so wrong that you are now invested in the lie.

    Abuse removed.
    Once more Rich resports to abuse when his lies are pointed out. Shame on him. >Childishness is Rich's only strength.
    You have not demonstrated any lie from me Tony, - the people in the
    article I posted are far more logical than you appear to be: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/09/18/speaker-johnson-trump-2024/



    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/09/18/speaker-johnson-trump-2024/

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Sep 23 03:58:27 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 01:43:01 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 08:14:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 21:47:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:28:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:56:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-09-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:03:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and
    rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and analysis. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>As
    the
    article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
    types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hard-news
    website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>media-based
    articles."
    RNZ is a blatantly pro left organisation and is anti this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>government
    for
    that
    reason alone.
    What rubbish; all RNZ wants is the opportunity to interviews, which
    traditionally will ask some hard questions but will also give an >>>>>>>>>>>>>opportunity for a politician to say what he also wants to say. They
    appear to be only prepared to answer questions that they like - try
    listening to Media Watch - they do not see RNZ as at all biased - >>>>>>>>>>>>>they
    will ask hard questions of all politicians as well as the easy >>>>>>>>>>>>>ones.
    After all, did not Christopher Luxon say that his government would >>>>>>>>>>>>>govern for the benefit of all New Zealanders?
    Not rubbish at all. You have always chose RNZ as a source because >>>>>>>>>>>>it
    follows
    your lost cause.
    The last PM refused interviews many times, no surprise really >>>>>>>>>>>>considering
    she
    had no credentials.
    Luxon merely wants balance, unlike you.

    Balance comes when you consider the wishes of all of the people of >>>>>>>>>>>the
    country you are Governing.
    Yes that is correct. If anything the PM is bending over backwards to >>>>>>>>>>be
    fair
    to
    Maori as he should, pity there is no acknowledgement of that from the >>>>>>>>>>racist
    Maori whpo want superior rights to the rest of NZ.

    Things like sanctity of contract
    There is no contract at risk. You are lying.
    - except that is just what NActFirst
    are wanting to discard for Maori
    They do not wish to discard anything that Maori are entitlled to. You >>>>>>>>are
    lying.
    - and the Courts appear to believe
    there are issues that need to be investigated first.
    Then they should represent those thoughts to government and not make >>>>>>>>decisions
    that are well outside their province.

    A case has been brought before the court - they must deal with it, but >>>>>>>you want them to ask the government what verdict they want before >>>>>>>hearing the case? Do you want them to salute the Fuehrer when they >>>>>>>ask?
    I want nothing of the sort.
    Your abuse becomes worse when you are idiotically wrong as in this case. >>>>>>Go away little boy and grow a brain.
    The courts are to do the bidding of government. Period, there is no room >>>>>>for
    debate on that otherwise you are opposed to democracy and justice. Come >>>>>>to
    think of it, that is what you are isn't it?

    You are wrong - the Court will listen to government representatives in >>>>>respect of cases where they are represented, but they will base >>>>>decisions on both evidence and laws that have been passed by >>>>>parliament - whenever that was. You are correct that Maori have taken >>>>>a case in relation to their interests arising from actions of the >>>>>government, but the "bidding of government" will depend on its success >>>>>on the merits of their case. Understand?
    Absolute garbage. You are so wrong that you deserve to be laughed at. >>>>Having
    said that, your comments are consitent with your Marxist mantra. >>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/supreme-court-orders-govt-to-pay-in-advance-for-maori-coastline-appeal/

    It would is perhaps be better for the government to win a court case
    on its merits than through deliberately withdrawing funding to force
    the other side to withdraw . . .
    Nonsense. You are so wrong that you are now invested in the lie.

    Abuse removed.
    Once more Rich resports to abuse when his lies are pointed out. Shame on him. Childishness is Rich's only strength.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Sep 23 07:09:41 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 03:58:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 01:43:01 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 08:14:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 21:47:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:28:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:56:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-09-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:03:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and
    rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>analysis.
    As
    the
    article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
    types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hard-news
    website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>media-based
    articles."
    RNZ is a blatantly pro left organisation and is anti this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>government
    for
    that
    reason alone.
    What rubbish; all RNZ wants is the opportunity to interviews, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>which
    traditionally will ask some hard questions but will also give an >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>opportunity for a politician to say what he also wants to say. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They
    appear to be only prepared to answer questions that they like - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>try
    listening to Media Watch - they do not see RNZ as at all biased >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-
    they
    will ask hard questions of all politicians as well as the easy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ones.
    After all, did not Christopher Luxon say that his government >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>would
    govern for the benefit of all New Zealanders?
    Not rubbish at all. You have always chose RNZ as a source >>>>>>>>>>>>>>because
    it
    follows
    your lost cause.
    The last PM refused interviews many times, no surprise really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>considering
    she
    had no credentials.
    Luxon merely wants balance, unlike you.

    Balance comes when you consider the wishes of all of the people of >>>>>>>>>>>>>the
    country you are Governing.
    Yes that is correct. If anything the PM is bending over backwards >>>>>>>>>>>>to
    be
    fair
    to
    Maori as he should, pity there is no acknowledgement of that from >>>>>>>>>>>>the
    racist
    Maori whpo want superior rights to the rest of NZ.

    Things like sanctity of contract
    There is no contract at risk. You are lying.
    - except that is just what NActFirst
    are wanting to discard for Maori
    They do not wish to discard anything that Maori are entitlled to. You >>>>>>>>>>are
    lying.
    - and the Courts appear to believe
    there are issues that need to be investigated first.
    Then they should represent those thoughts to government and not make >>>>>>>>>>decisions
    that are well outside their province.

    A case has been brought before the court - they must deal with it, but >>>>>>>>>you want them to ask the government what verdict they want before >>>>>>>>>hearing the case? Do you want them to salute the Fuehrer when they >>>>>>>>>ask?
    I want nothing of the sort.
    Your abuse becomes worse when you are idiotically wrong as in this case.
    Go away little boy and grow a brain.
    The courts are to do the bidding of government. Period, there is no >>>>>>>>room
    for
    debate on that otherwise you are opposed to democracy and justice. Come >>>>>>>>to
    think of it, that is what you are isn't it?

    You are wrong - the Court will listen to government representatives in >>>>>>>respect of cases where they are represented, but they will base >>>>>>>decisions on both evidence and laws that have been passed by >>>>>>>parliament - whenever that was. You are correct that Maori have taken >>>>>>>a case in relation to their interests arising from actions of the >>>>>>>government, but the "bidding of government" will depend on its success >>>>>>>on the merits of their case. Understand?
    Absolute garbage. You are so wrong that you deserve to be laughed at. >>>>>>Having
    said that, your comments are consitent with your Marxist mantra. >>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/supreme-court-orders-govt-to-pay-in-advance-for-maori-coastline-appeal/

    It would is perhaps be better for the government to win a court case >>>>>on its merits than through deliberately withdrawing funding to force >>>>>the other side to withdraw . . .
    Nonsense. You are so wrong that you are now invested in the lie.

    Abuse removed.
    Once more Rich resports to abuse when his lies are pointed out. Shame on him. >>Childishness is Rich's only strength.
    You have not demonstrated any lie from me Tony,
    Yes I have. You simply use more and more sarcasm, the refuge of the inept and illiterate.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Mon Sep 23 23:09:04 2024
    On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 07:09:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 03:58:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 01:43:01 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 08:14:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 21:47:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:28:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:56:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-09-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:03:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both Stuff
    and
    rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>analysis.
    As
    the
    article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, changing
    the
    types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hard-news
    website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>media-based
    articles."
    RNZ is a blatantly pro left organisation and is anti this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>government
    for
    that
    reason alone.
    What rubbish; all RNZ wants is the opportunity to interviews, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>which
    traditionally will ask some hard questions but will also give an
    opportunity for a politician to say what he also wants to say. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They
    appear to be only prepared to answer questions that they like - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>try
    listening to Media Watch - they do not see RNZ as at all biased >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-
    they
    will ask hard questions of all politicians as well as the easy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ones.
    After all, did not Christopher Luxon say that his government >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>would
    govern for the benefit of all New Zealanders?
    Not rubbish at all. You have always chose RNZ as a source >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>because
    it
    follows
    your lost cause.
    The last PM refused interviews many times, no surprise really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>considering
    she
    had no credentials.
    Luxon merely wants balance, unlike you.

    Balance comes when you consider the wishes of all of the people of
    the
    country you are Governing.
    Yes that is correct. If anything the PM is bending over backwards >>>>>>>>>>>>>to
    be
    fair
    to
    Maori as he should, pity there is no acknowledgement of that from >>>>>>>>>>>>>the
    racist
    Maori whpo want superior rights to the rest of NZ.

    Things like sanctity of contract
    There is no contract at risk. You are lying.
    - except that is just what NActFirst
    are wanting to discard for Maori
    They do not wish to discard anything that Maori are entitlled to. You
    are
    lying.
    - and the Courts appear to believe
    there are issues that need to be investigated first. >>>>>>>>>>>Then they should represent those thoughts to government and not make >>>>>>>>>>>decisions
    that are well outside their province.

    A case has been brought before the court - they must deal with it, but
    you want them to ask the government what verdict they want before >>>>>>>>>>hearing the case? Do you want them to salute the Fuehrer when they >>>>>>>>>>ask?
    I want nothing of the sort.
    Your abuse becomes worse when you are idiotically wrong as in this case.
    Go away little boy and grow a brain.
    The courts are to do the bidding of government. Period, there is no >>>>>>>>>room
    for
    debate on that otherwise you are opposed to democracy and justice. Come
    to
    think of it, that is what you are isn't it?

    You are wrong - the Court will listen to government representatives in >>>>>>>>respect of cases where they are represented, but they will base >>>>>>>>decisions on both evidence and laws that have been passed by >>>>>>>>parliament - whenever that was. You are correct that Maori have taken >>>>>>>>a case in relation to their interests arising from actions of the >>>>>>>>government, but the "bidding of government" will depend on its success >>>>>>>>on the merits of their case. Understand?
    Absolute garbage. You are so wrong that you deserve to be laughed at. >>>>>>>Having
    said that, your comments are consitent with your Marxist mantra. >>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/supreme-court-orders-govt-to-pay-in-advance-for-maori-coastline-appeal/

    It would is perhaps be better for the government to win a court case >>>>>>on its merits than through deliberately withdrawing funding to force >>>>>>the other side to withdraw . . .
    Nonsense. You are so wrong that you are now invested in the lie.

    Abuse removed.
    Once more Rich resports to abuse when his lies are pointed out. Shame on him.
    Childishness is Rich's only strength.
    You have not demonstrated any lie from me Tony,
    Yes I have. You simply use more and more sarcasm, the refuge of the inept and >illiterate.

    You have still not identified anything I have posted that you believe
    to be a lie, or gave any justification for such as assertion.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Sep 23 20:09:45 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 07:09:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 03:58:27 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 01:43:01 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 08:14:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 21:47:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 20:28:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:56:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-09-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:03:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/rnzs-online-surge-could-start-to-worry-private-media/

    With The NZ Herald a blatantly pro-government site, both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stuff
    and
    rnz.co.nz are becoming known for independent news and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>analysis.
    As
    the
    article says: "RNZ has broadened its online offering, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>changing
    the
    types of stories it promotes at the top of its previously >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>hard-news
    website to also include lifestyle, celebrity and social >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>media-based
    articles."
    RNZ is a blatantly pro left organisation and is anti this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>government
    for
    that
    reason alone.
    What rubbish; all RNZ wants is the opportunity to interviews, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>which
    traditionally will ask some hard questions but will also give >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>an
    opportunity for a politician to say what he also wants to say. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>They
    appear to be only prepared to answer questions that they like >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>-
    try
    listening to Media Watch - they do not see RNZ as at all >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>biased
    -
    they
    will ask hard questions of all politicians as well as the easy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>ones.
    After all, did not Christopher Luxon say that his government >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>would
    govern for the benefit of all New Zealanders?
    Not rubbish at all. You have always chose RNZ as a source >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>because
    it
    follows
    your lost cause.
    The last PM refused interviews many times, no surprise really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>considering
    she
    had no credentials.
    Luxon merely wants balance, unlike you.

    Balance comes when you consider the wishes of all of the people >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of
    the
    country you are Governing.
    Yes that is correct. If anything the PM is bending over backwards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
    be
    fair
    to
    Maori as he should, pity there is no acknowledgement of that from >>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
    racist
    Maori whpo want superior rights to the rest of NZ.

    Things like sanctity of contract
    There is no contract at risk. You are lying.
    - except that is just what NActFirst
    are wanting to discard for Maori
    They do not wish to discard anything that Maori are entitlled to. >>>>>>>>>>>>You
    are
    lying.
    - and the Courts appear to believe
    there are issues that need to be investigated first. >>>>>>>>>>>>Then they should represent those thoughts to government and not >>>>>>>>>>>>make
    decisions
    that are well outside their province.

    A case has been brought before the court - they must deal with it, >>>>>>>>>>>but
    you want them to ask the government what verdict they want before >>>>>>>>>>>hearing the case? Do you want them to salute the Fuehrer when they >>>>>>>>>>>ask?
    I want nothing of the sort.
    Your abuse becomes worse when you are idiotically wrong as in this >>>>>>>>>>case.
    Go away little boy and grow a brain.
    The courts are to do the bidding of government. Period, there is no >>>>>>>>>>room
    for
    debate on that otherwise you are opposed to democracy and justice. >>>>>>>>>>Come
    to
    think of it, that is what you are isn't it?

    You are wrong - the Court will listen to government representatives in >>>>>>>>>respect of cases where they are represented, but they will base >>>>>>>>>decisions on both evidence and laws that have been passed by >>>>>>>>>parliament - whenever that was. You are correct that Maori have taken >>>>>>>>>a case in relation to their interests arising from actions of the >>>>>>>>>government, but the "bidding of government" will depend on its success >>>>>>>>>on the merits of their case. Understand?
    Absolute garbage. You are so wrong that you deserve to be laughed at. >>>>>>>>Having
    said that, your comments are consitent with your Marxist mantra. >>>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/supreme-court-orders-govt-to-pay-in-advance-for-maori-coastline-appeal/

    It would is perhaps be better for the government to win a court case >>>>>>>on its merits than through deliberately withdrawing funding to force >>>>>>>the other side to withdraw . . .
    Nonsense. You are so wrong that you are now invested in the lie.

    Abuse removed.
    Once more Rich resports to abuse when his lies are pointed out. Shame on >>>>him.
    Childishness is Rich's only strength.
    You have not demonstrated any lie from me Tony,
    Yes I have. You simply use more and more sarcasm, the refuge of the inept and >>illiterate.

    You have still not identified anything I have posted that you believe
    to be a lie, or gave any justification for such as assertion.
    Yes I have. You just conveniently forget your lies. Read above, it is all there.

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