1. Forum
  2. Usenet
  3. NZ.GENERAL

  • So now the Government is fighting the Courts . . .

    From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 20 16:24:43 2024
    https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/supreme-court-orders-govt-to-pay-in-advance-for-maori-coastline-appeal/

    The silly part is that the Courts are trying to help, but the
    arrogance and ignorance of the Ministers involved is getting in the
    way . . .

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Sep 20 07:04:39 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/supreme-court-orders-govt-to-pay-in-advance-for-maori-coastline-appeal/

    The silly part is that the Courts are trying to help, but the
    arrogance and ignorance of the Ministers involved is getting in the
    way . . .
    Government is superior to the courts. End of.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Fri Sep 20 23:14:27 2024
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:04:39 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/supreme-court-orders-govt-to-pay-in-advance-for-maori-coastline-appeal/

    The silly part is that the Courts are trying to help, but the
    arrogance and ignorance of the Ministers involved is getting in the
    way . . .
    Government is superior to the courts. End of.

    The Courts judge cases based on the law that has been passed by
    Parliament, not based on what some MPs would like to think the law
    says.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sat Sep 21 07:52:48 2024
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 19:31:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:04:39 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/supreme-court-orders-govt-to-pay-in-advance-for-maori-coastline-appeal/

    The silly part is that the Courts are trying to help, but the
    arrogance and ignorance of the Ministers involved is getting in the
    way . . .
    Government is superior to the courts. End of.

    The Courts judge cases based on the law that has been passed by
    Parliament, not based on what some MPs would like to think the law
    says.
    Irrelevant. The parliament trumps the courts, or used to, but the change to the
    reverse must be stopped.
    The parliament must pass laws to achieve what they want - the Courts
    will interpret that law for the purposes of particular cases; so if an
    MP wants to change the law that has to be done before the Courts will
    apply the new law.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Sep 20 19:31:33 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:04:39 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/supreme-court-orders-govt-to-pay-in-advance-for-maori-coastline-appeal/

    The silly part is that the Courts are trying to help, but the
    arrogance and ignorance of the Ministers involved is getting in the
    way . . .
    Government is superior to the courts. End of.

    The Courts judge cases based on the law that has been passed by
    Parliament, not based on what some MPs would like to think the law
    says.
    Irrelevant. The parliament trumps the courts, or used to, but the change to the reverse must be stopped.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 21 10:45:53 2024
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 16:24:43 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/supreme-court-orders-govt-to-pay-in-advance-for-maori-coastline-appeal/

    The silly part is that the Courts are trying to help, but the
    arrogance and ignorance of the Ministers involved is getting in the
    way . . .

    The courts are not trying to help - but merely adjudicating on points
    of law.

    If you consider Government actions in this respect to be arrogant and
    ignorant, this is very small scale offending compared tom the
    arrogance and ignorance of the previous Labour Government. Your
    ability to call Government arrogance and ignorance is limited only to non-Labour Governments.


    --
    Crash McBash

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Sep 20 22:52:09 2024
    On 2024-09-20, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 19:31:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:04:39 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/supreme-court-orders-govt-to-pay-in-advance-for-maori-coastline-appeal/

    The silly part is that the Courts are trying to help, but the >>>>>arrogance and ignorance of the Ministers involved is getting in the >>>>>way . . .
    Government is superior to the courts. End of.

    The Courts judge cases based on the law that has been passed by >>>Parliament, not based on what some MPs would like to think the law
    says.
    Irrelevant. The parliament trumps the courts, or used to, but the change to the
    reverse must be stopped.
    The parliament must pass laws to achieve what they want - the Courts
    will interpret that law for the purposes of particular cases; so if an
    MP wants to change the law that has to be done before the Courts will
    apply the new law.

    The Government passes laws to help the governance of the country.

    The Courts interupt the existing law. The Government changes the laws when
    the existing ones are not for for purpose, and need to ne changed.

    As part of MMP is is most likely that there will be a coalition Government
    and as part of this the people need to accept that the ministers will be
    more vocal as they need to "advertise" their point.

    This is part of democracy. It may appear that the ministers are stepping
    over the line but in all probability they are just expressing a view point counter the posters.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat Sep 21 08:57:19 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 19:31:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:04:39 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/supreme-court-orders-govt-to-pay-in-advance-for-maori-coastline-appeal/

    The silly part is that the Courts are trying to help, but the >>>>>arrogance and ignorance of the Ministers involved is getting in the >>>>>way . . .
    Government is superior to the courts. End of.

    The Courts judge cases based on the law that has been passed by >>>Parliament, not based on what some MPs would like to think the law
    says.
    Irrelevant. The parliament trumps the courts, or used to, but the change to >>the
    reverse must be stopped.
    The parliament must pass laws to achieve what they want - the Courts
    will interpret that law for the purposes of particular cases; so if an
    MP wants to change the law that has to be done before the Courts will
    apply the new law.
    Meaningless drivel. My point stands unaltered.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sat Sep 21 21:31:51 2024
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:57:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 19:31:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:04:39 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/supreme-court-orders-govt-to-pay-in-advance-for-maori-coastline-appeal/

    The silly part is that the Courts are trying to help, but the >>>>>>arrogance and ignorance of the Ministers involved is getting in the >>>>>>way . . .
    Government is superior to the courts. End of.

    The Courts judge cases based on the law that has been passed by >>>>Parliament, not based on what some MPs would like to think the law >>>>says.
    Irrelevant. The parliament trumps the courts, or used to, but the change to >>>the
    reverse must be stopped.
    The parliament must pass laws to achieve what they want - the Courts
    will interpret that law for the purposes of particular cases; so if an
    MP wants to change the law that has to be done before the Courts will
    apply the new law.
    Meaningless drivel. My point stands unaltered.
    I can imagine you thoughts about ever getting anything of yours to
    stand, but it appears there is nothing like that happening in this
    thread - read this link again: https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/supreme-court-orders-govt-to-pay-in-advance-for-maori-coastline-appeal/

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)
  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat Sep 21 20:29:37 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 08:57:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 19:31:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 07:04:39 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/supreme-court-orders-govt-to-pay-in-advance-for-maori-coastline-appeal/

    The silly part is that the Courts are trying to help, but the >>>>>>>arrogance and ignorance of the Ministers involved is getting in the >>>>>>>way . . .
    Government is superior to the courts. End of.

    The Courts judge cases based on the law that has been passed by >>>>>Parliament, not based on what some MPs would like to think the law >>>>>says.
    Irrelevant. The parliament trumps the courts, or used to, but the change to >>>>the
    reverse must be stopped.
    The parliament must pass laws to achieve what they want - the Courts
    will interpret that law for the purposes of particular cases; so if an
    MP wants to change the law that has to be done before the Courts will >>>apply the new law.
    Meaningless drivel. My point stands unaltered.
    Abuse removed.
    read this link again: >https://newsroom.co.nz/2024/09/20/supreme-court-orders-govt-to-pay-in-advance-for-maori-coastline-appeal/
    It is not relevant.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
    * Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)