https://correlation-canada.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/2024-07-19-Correlation-ACM-World-125-countries-Rancourt-Hickey-Linard.pdf
For those of you who are interested the link above maybe of interested. It
is a mere 521 pages.
" We describe plausible mechanisms and argue that the three primary causes
of death associated with the excess all-cause mortality during (and after) >the Covid period are:
(1) Biological (including psychological) stress from mandates such as >lockdowns and associated socio-economic structural changes
(2) Non-COVID-19-vaccine medical interventions such as mechanical
ventilators and drugs (including denial of treatment with antibiotics)
(3) COVID-19 vaccine injection rollouts, including repeated rollouts on the >same populations."
So there we have it, the treatment did not improve matters.
Plenty of graphs as well in the 521 pages.
For those of you who are interested the link above maybe of interested. ItYes. the data becomes increasingly persuasive.
is a mere 521 pages.
" We describe plausible mechanisms and argue that the three primary causes
of death associated with the excess all-cause mortality during (and after) >the Covid period are:
(1) Biological (including psychological) stress from mandates such as >lockdowns and associated socio-economic structural changes
(2) Non-COVID-19-vaccine medical interventions such as mechanical
ventilators and drugs (including denial of treatment with antibiotics)
(3) COVID-19 vaccine injection rollouts, including repeated rollouts on the >same populations."
So there we have it, the treatment did not improve matters.
Plenty of graphs as well in the 521 pages.
On 7 Oct 2024 01:54:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Buillshit. The stress was real and huge.
https://correlation-canada.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/2024-07-19-Correlation-ACM-World-125-countries-Rancourt-Hickey-Linard.pdf
For those of you who are interested the link above maybe of interested. It >>is a mere 521 pages.
" We describe plausible mechanisms and argue that the three primary causes >>of death associated with the excess all-cause mortality during (and after) >>the Covid period are:
(1) Biological (including psychological) stress from mandates such as >>lockdowns and associated socio-economic structural changes
(2) Non-COVID-19-vaccine medical interventions such as mechanical >>ventilators and drugs (including denial of treatment with antibiotics)
(3) COVID-19 vaccine injection rollouts, including repeated rollouts on the >>same populations."
So there we have it, the treatment did not improve matters.
Plenty of graphs as well in the 521 pages.
Thanks for that. It appears to be saying that a country that had lower >mortality than pre-covid , correlates with lower stress from mandates
than other countries - it is good to get conformation of that for New >Zealand,
well into the sequential roll-outs.The jury is still out on that. Data is still being requested and so far not released.
Then of course there is this response: >https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10203614/Irrelevant.
Who can tell whether the National Library of Medicine is more or less >reliable than a voluntary group with a novel attitude towards
scientific research: -
Correlational research is a type of non-experimental research in which
the researcher measures two variables and assesses the statistical >relationship (i.e., the correlation) between them with little or no
effort to control extraneous variables.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Only on far right nutters that saw what widespread there was for the
On 7 Oct 2024 01:54:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Buillshit. The stress was real and huge.
https://correlation-canada.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/2024-07-19-Correlation-ACM-World-125-countries-Rancourt-Hickey-Linard.pdf
For those of you who are interested the link above maybe of interested. It >>>is a mere 521 pages.
" We describe plausible mechanisms and argue that the three primary causes >>>of death associated with the excess all-cause mortality during (and after) >>>the Covid period are:
(1) Biological (including psychological) stress from mandates such as >>>lockdowns and associated socio-economic structural changes
(2) Non-COVID-19-vaccine medical interventions such as mechanical >>>ventilators and drugs (including denial of treatment with antibiotics)
(3) COVID-19 vaccine injection rollouts, including repeated rollouts on the >>>same populations."
So there we have it, the treatment did not improve matters.
Plenty of graphs as well in the 521 pages.
Thanks for that. It appears to be saying that a country that had lower >>mortality than pre-covid , correlates with lower stress from mandates
than other countries - it is good to get conformation of that for New >>Zealand,
. but it does not explain why our lower excess mortality lastedWell don't expect this government to allow the data to be released
well into the sequential roll-outs.The jury is still out on that. Data is still being requested and so far not >released.
So you thing correlation research is irrelevant - is that because itIrrelevant.
Then of course there is this response: >>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10203614/
Who can tell whether the National Library of Medicine is more or less >>reliable than a voluntary group with a novel attitude towards
scientific research: -
Correlational research is a type of non-experimental research in which
the researcher measures two variables and assesses the statistical >>relationship (i.e., the correlation) between them with little or no
effort to control extraneous variables.
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 05:07:33 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are a genuineely nasty person. I have known very few. Read this - if true (and neither you or I know) then the damage was indee huge, here also - facts cannot be ignored by sane individuls but they are by you.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Only on far right nutters that saw what widespread there was for the
On 7 Oct 2024 01:54:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Buillshit. The stress was real and huge.
https://correlation-canada.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/2024-07-19-Correlation-ACM-World-125-countries-Rancourt-Hickey-Linard.pdf
For those of you who are interested the link above maybe of interested. It >>>>is a mere 521 pages.
" We describe plausible mechanisms and argue that the three primary causes >>>>of death associated with the excess all-cause mortality during (and after) >>>>the Covid period are:
(1) Biological (including psychological) stress from mandates such as >>>>lockdowns and associated socio-economic structural changes
(2) Non-COVID-19-vaccine medical interventions such as mechanical >>>>ventilators and drugs (including denial of treatment with antibiotics)
(3) COVID-19 vaccine injection rollouts, including repeated rollouts on the >>>>same populations."
So there we have it, the treatment did not improve matters.
Plenty of graphs as well in the 521 pages.
Thanks for that. It appears to be saying that a country that had lower >>>mortality than pre-covid , correlates with lower stress from mandates >>>than other countries - it is good to get conformation of that for New >>>Zealand,
actions taken - and the good results of that appear to be shown in the
link that you gave, Tony. Don't you believe that report any more?
The last government refused also - geez you are dumb.. but it does not explain why our lower excess mortality lastedWell don't expect this government to allow the data to be released
well into the sequential roll-outs.The jury is still out on that. Data is still being requested and so far not >>released.
again in a hurry - they don't want confirmation of the very wide
support and the world-beating savings of lives that resulted from the
actions of the Ardern government. . .
I did not say that you twerp. Your comment was irrelevant and still is.So you thing correlation research is irrelevant - is that because it >supported the actions of the Labour government during Covid?Irrelevant.
Then of course there is this response: >>>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10203614/
Who can tell whether the National Library of Medicine is more or less >>>reliable than a voluntary group with a novel attitude towards
scientific research: -
Correlational research is a type of non-experimental research in which >>>the researcher measures two variables and assesses the statistical >>>relationship (i.e., the correlation) between them with little or no >>>effort to control extraneous variables.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I said "released again", deliberately - the Ardern Government did
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 05:07:33 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are a genuineely nasty person. I have known very few. Read this - if true >(and neither you or I know) then the damage was indee huge, here also - facts >cannot be ignored by sane individuls but they are by you.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Only on far right nutters that saw what widespread there was for the >>actions taken - and the good results of that appear to be shown in the
On 7 Oct 2024 01:54:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Buillshit. The stress was real and huge.
https://correlation-canada.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/2024-07-19-Correlation-ACM-World-125-countries-Rancourt-Hickey-Linard.pdf
For those of you who are interested the link above maybe of interested. It >>>>>is a mere 521 pages.
" We describe plausible mechanisms and argue that the three primary causes >>>>>of death associated with the excess all-cause mortality during (and after) >>>>>the Covid period are:
(1) Biological (including psychological) stress from mandates such as >>>>>lockdowns and associated socio-economic structural changes
(2) Non-COVID-19-vaccine medical interventions such as mechanical >>>>>ventilators and drugs (including denial of treatment with antibiotics) >>>>>
(3) COVID-19 vaccine injection rollouts, including repeated rollouts on the
same populations."
So there we have it, the treatment did not improve matters.
Plenty of graphs as well in the 521 pages.
Thanks for that. It appears to be saying that a country that had lower >>>>mortality than pre-covid , correlates with lower stress from mandates >>>>than other countries - it is good to get conformation of that for New >>>>Zealand,
link that you gave, Tony. Don't you believe that report any more?
The last government refused also - geez you are dumb.
. but it does not explain why our lower excess mortality lastedWell don't expect this government to allow the data to be released
well into the sequential roll-outs.The jury is still out on that. Data is still being requested and so far not >>>released.
again in a hurry - they don't want confirmation of the very wide
support and the world-beating savings of lives that resulted from the >>actions of the Ardern government. . .
I did not say that you twerp. Your comment was irrelevant and still is.
So you thing correlation research is irrelevant - is that because it >>supported the actions of the Labour government during Covid?Irrelevant.
Then of course there is this response: >>>>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10203614/
Who can tell whether the National Library of Medicine is more or less >>>>reliable than a voluntary group with a novel attitude towards >>>>scientific research: -
Correlational research is a type of non-experimental research in which >>>>the researcher measures two variables and assesses the statistical >>>>relationship (i.e., the correlation) between them with little or no >>>>effort to control extraneous variables.
Your denial of truth knows no bounds - are you paid to post here by the Marxist
followers?
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 18:35:57 -0000 (UTC), TonyBut not all of it. As I pointed out. Are you that dense?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I said "released again", deliberately - the Ardern Government did
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 05:07:33 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are a genuineely nasty person. I have known very few. Read this - if true >>(and neither you or I know) then the damage was indee huge, here also - facts >>cannot be ignored by sane individuls but they are by you.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Only on far right nutters that saw what widespread there was for the >>>actions taken - and the good results of that appear to be shown in the >>>link that you gave, Tony. Don't you believe that report any more?
On 7 Oct 2024 01:54:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Buillshit. The stress was real and huge.
https://correlation-canada.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/2024-07-19-Correlation-ACM-World-125-countries-Rancourt-Hickey-Linard.pdf
For those of you who are interested the link above maybe of interested. It
is a mere 521 pages.
" We describe plausible mechanisms and argue that the three primary >>>>>>causes
of death associated with the excess all-cause mortality during (and >>>>>>after)
the Covid period are:
(1) Biological (including psychological) stress from mandates such as >>>>>>lockdowns and associated socio-economic structural changes
(2) Non-COVID-19-vaccine medical interventions such as mechanical >>>>>>ventilators and drugs (including denial of treatment with antibiotics) >>>>>>
(3) COVID-19 vaccine injection rollouts, including repeated rollouts on >>>>>>the
same populations."
So there we have it, the treatment did not improve matters.
Plenty of graphs as well in the 521 pages.
Thanks for that. It appears to be saying that a country that had lower >>>>>mortality than pre-covid , correlates with lower stress from mandates >>>>>than other countries - it is good to get conformation of that for New >>>>>Zealand,
The last government refused also - geez you are dumb.
. but it does not explain why our lower excess mortality lastedWell don't expect this government to allow the data to be released
well into the sequential roll-outs.The jury is still out on that. Data is still being requested and so far not >>>>released.
again in a hurry - they don't want confirmation of the very wide
support and the world-beating savings of lives that resulted from the >>>actions of the Ardern government. . .
release a huge amount of data
, and through comparisons generated usingWe know nothing of the sort - cite?
that data by World Health Organisations, we know that the actions
taken by our government at that time resulted in a reduction in death
rates from all causes
- and yes we know that some of that was due toUnproven rhetoric.
reductions in deaths from road fatalities, and from influenza - the >precautions taken in rest homes and retirement villages were effective
- we had learned how vulnerable old people are from some early
spreading events, and took steps to reduce those deaths.
So you will appreciate why the current government does not really wantPolitical rhetoric. Ardern refused to release much data, this government has not fixed that but they have time. Ardern doesn't, she is irrelevant.
anyone to look at that data again and reflect on why we did so much
better than other countries at keeping our people alive - having
courted nutters to get elected, they do not want those crazies to
realise the depth of support there was, including from the National
Party, for the precautions taken by the Ardern Government that were so >successful
I did not say that you twerp. Your comment was irrelevant and still is. >>Your denial of truth knows no bounds - are you paid to post here by the >>Marxist
So you thing correlation research is irrelevant - is that because it >>>supported the actions of the Labour government during Covid?Irrelevant.
Then of course there is this response: >>>>>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10203614/
Who can tell whether the National Library of Medicine is more or less >>>>>reliable than a voluntary group with a novel attitude towards >>>>>scientific research: -
Correlational research is a type of non-experimental research in which >>>>>the researcher measures two variables and assesses the statistical >>>>>relationship (i.e., the correlation) between them with little or no >>>>>effort to control extraneous variables.
followers?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, you said that "Data is still being requested and so far not
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 18:35:57 -0000 (UTC), TonyBut not all of it. As I pointed out. Are you that dense?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I said "released again", deliberately - the Ardern Government did
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 05:07:33 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are a genuineely nasty person. I have known very few. Read this - if true
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Only on far right nutters that saw what widespread there was for the >>>>actions taken - and the good results of that appear to be shown in the >>>>link that you gave, Tony. Don't you believe that report any more?
On 7 Oct 2024 01:54:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Buillshit. The stress was real and huge.
https://correlation-canada.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/2024-07-19-Correlation-ACM-World-125-countries-Rancourt-Hickey-Linard.pdf
For those of you who are interested the link above maybe of interested. It
is a mere 521 pages.
" We describe plausible mechanisms and argue that the three primary >>>>>>>causes
of death associated with the excess all-cause mortality during (and >>>>>>>after)
the Covid period are:
(1) Biological (including psychological) stress from mandates such as >>>>>>>lockdowns and associated socio-economic structural changes
(2) Non-COVID-19-vaccine medical interventions such as mechanical >>>>>>>ventilators and drugs (including denial of treatment with antibiotics) >>>>>>>
(3) COVID-19 vaccine injection rollouts, including repeated rollouts on >>>>>>>the
same populations."
So there we have it, the treatment did not improve matters.
Plenty of graphs as well in the 521 pages.
Thanks for that. It appears to be saying that a country that had lower >>>>>>mortality than pre-covid , correlates with lower stress from mandates >>>>>>than other countries - it is good to get conformation of that for New >>>>>>Zealand,
(and neither you or I know) then the damage was indee huge, here also - facts
cannot be ignored by sane individuls but they are by you.
The last government refused also - geez you are dumb.
. but it does not explain why our lower excess mortality lastedWell don't expect this government to allow the data to be released >>>>again in a hurry - they don't want confirmation of the very wide >>>>support and the world-beating savings of lives that resulted from the >>>>actions of the Ardern government. . .
well into the sequential roll-outs.The jury is still out on that. Data is still being requested and so far not
released.
release a huge amount of data
Excess death graphs giving international comparisons - posted plenty, and through comparisons generated usingWe know nothing of the sort - cite?
that data by World Health Organisations, we know that the actions
taken by our government at that time resulted in a reduction in death
rates from all causes
What other explanations do you have for our mortality experience being- and yes we know that some of that was due toUnproven rhetoric.
reductions in deaths from road fatalities, and from influenza - the >>precautions taken in rest homes and retirement villages were effective
- we had learned how vulnerable old people are from some early
spreading events, and took steps to reduce those deaths.
Political rhetoric. Ardern refused to release much data, this government has >not fixed that but they have time. Ardern doesn't, she is irrelevant.
So you will appreciate why the current government does not really want >>anyone to look at that data again and reflect on why we did so much
better than other countries at keeping our people alive - having
courted nutters to get elected, they do not want those crazies to
realise the depth of support there was, including from the National
Party, for the precautions taken by the Ardern Government that were so >>successful
I did not say that you twerp. Your comment was irrelevant and still is. >>>Your denial of truth knows no bounds - are you paid to post here by the >>>Marxist
So you thing correlation research is irrelevant - is that because it >>>>supported the actions of the Labour government during Covid?Irrelevant.
Then of course there is this response: >>>>>>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10203614/
Who can tell whether the National Library of Medicine is more or less >>>>>>reliable than a voluntary group with a novel attitude towards >>>>>>scientific research: -
Correlational research is a type of non-experimental research in which >>>>>>the researcher measures two variables and assesses the statistical >>>>>>relationship (i.e., the correlation) between them with little or no >>>>>>effort to control extraneous variables.
followers?
On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 00:11:45 -0000 (UTC), TonyYes and has been since the last government was pretending to govern.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, you said that "Data is still being requested and so far not
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 18:35:57 -0000 (UTC), TonyBut not all of it. As I pointed out. Are you that dense?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I said "released again", deliberately - the Ardern Government did
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 05:07:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You are a genuineely nasty person. I have known very few. Read this - if >>>>true
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Only on far right nutters that saw what widespread there was for the >>>>>actions taken - and the good results of that appear to be shown in the >>>>>link that you gave, Tony. Don't you believe that report any more?
On 7 Oct 2024 01:54:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Buillshit. The stress was real and huge.
https://correlation-canada.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/2024-07-19-Correlation-ACM-World-125-countries-Rancourt-Hickey-Linard.pdf
For those of you who are interested the link above maybe of interested. >>>>>>>>It
is a mere 521 pages.
" We describe plausible mechanisms and argue that the three primary >>>>>>>>causes
of death associated with the excess all-cause mortality during (and >>>>>>>>after)
the Covid period are:
(1) Biological (including psychological) stress from mandates such as >>>>>>>>lockdowns and associated socio-economic structural changes
(2) Non-COVID-19-vaccine medical interventions such as mechanical >>>>>>>>ventilators and drugs (including denial of treatment with antibiotics) >>>>>>>>
(3) COVID-19 vaccine injection rollouts, including repeated rollouts on >>>>>>>>the
same populations."
So there we have it, the treatment did not improve matters.
Plenty of graphs as well in the 521 pages.
Thanks for that. It appears to be saying that a country that had lower >>>>>>>mortality than pre-covid , correlates with lower stress from mandates >>>>>>>than other countries - it is good to get conformation of that for New >>>>>>>Zealand,
(and neither you or I know) then the damage was indee huge, here also - >>>>facts
cannot be ignored by sane individuls but they are by you.
The last government refused also - geez you are dumb.
. but it does not explain why our lower excess mortality lasted >>>>>>>well into the sequential roll-outs.Well don't expect this government to allow the data to be released >>>>>again in a hurry - they don't want confirmation of the very wide >>>>>support and the world-beating savings of lives that resulted from the >>>>>actions of the Ardern government. . .
The jury is still out on that. Data is still being requested and so far >>>>>>not
released.
release a huge amount of data
released." The Seymour/Peters/Luxon government has been in for a long
time now - are you saying they are refusing to release data?
Cite? Not nonsense, actual prrof that what you said is true I quote "we know that the actionsExcess death graphs giving international comparisons - posted plenty, and through comparisons generated usingWe know nothing of the sort - cite?
that data by World Health Organisations, we know that the actions
taken by our government at that time resulted in a reduction in death >>>rates from all causes
of times here . . .
No proof of that either.What other explanations do you have for our mortality experience being- and yes we know that some of that was due toUnproven rhetoric.
reductions in deaths from road fatalities, and from influenza - the >>>precautions taken in rest homes and retirement villages were effective
- we had learned how vulnerable old people are from some early
spreading events, and took steps to reduce those deaths.
lower than the period before Covid, Tony. Road fatality statistics
were quite clear at the time - but of course you won't want to watch
them as higher speeds cause higher deaths in the future . . .
Political rhetoric. Ardern refused to release much data, this government has >>not fixed that but they have time. Ardern doesn't, she is irrelevant.
So you will appreciate why the current government does not really want >>>anyone to look at that data again and reflect on why we did so much >>>better than other countries at keeping our people alive - having
courted nutters to get elected, they do not want those crazies to
realise the depth of support there was, including from the National >>>Party, for the precautions taken by the Ardern Government that were so >>>successful
I did not say that you twerp. Your comment was irrelevant and still is. >>>>Your denial of truth knows no bounds - are you paid to post here by the >>>>Marxist
So you thing correlation research is irrelevant - is that because it >>>>>supported the actions of the Labour government during Covid?Irrelevant.
Then of course there is this response: >>>>>>>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10203614/
Who can tell whether the National Library of Medicine is more or less >>>>>>>reliable than a voluntary group with a novel attitude towards >>>>>>>scientific research: -
Correlational research is a type of non-experimental research in which >>>>>>>the researcher measures two variables and assesses the statistical >>>>>>>relationship (i.e., the correlation) between them with little or no >>>>>>>effort to control extraneous variables.
followers?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Now you are just being abusive.
On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 00:11:45 -0000 (UTC), TonyYes and has been since the last government was pretending to govern.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, you said that "Data is still being requested and so far not
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 18:35:57 -0000 (UTC), TonyBut not all of it. As I pointed out. Are you that dense?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I said "released again", deliberately - the Ardern Government did >>>>release a huge amount of data
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 05:07:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:(and neither you or I know) then the damage was indee huge, here also - >>>>>facts
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Only on far right nutters that saw what widespread there was for the >>>>>>actions taken - and the good results of that appear to be shown in the >>>>>>link that you gave, Tony. Don't you believe that report any more? >>>>>You are a genuineely nasty person. I have known very few. Read this - if >>>>>true
On 7 Oct 2024 01:54:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Buillshit. The stress was real and huge.
https://correlation-canada.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/2024-07-19-Correlation-ACM-World-125-countries-Rancourt-Hickey-Linard.pdf
For those of you who are interested the link above maybe of interested.
It
is a mere 521 pages.
" We describe plausible mechanisms and argue that the three primary >>>>>>>>>causes
of death associated with the excess all-cause mortality during (and >>>>>>>>>after)
the Covid period are:
(1) Biological (including psychological) stress from mandates such as >>>>>>>>>lockdowns and associated socio-economic structural changes
(2) Non-COVID-19-vaccine medical interventions such as mechanical >>>>>>>>>ventilators and drugs (including denial of treatment with antibiotics) >>>>>>>>>
(3) COVID-19 vaccine injection rollouts, including repeated rollouts on
the
same populations."
So there we have it, the treatment did not improve matters.
Plenty of graphs as well in the 521 pages.
Thanks for that. It appears to be saying that a country that had lower >>>>>>>>mortality than pre-covid , correlates with lower stress from mandates >>>>>>>>than other countries - it is good to get conformation of that for New >>>>>>>>Zealand,
cannot be ignored by sane individuls but they are by you.
The last government refused also - geez you are dumb.
. but it does not explain why our lower excess mortality lasted >>>>>>>>well into the sequential roll-outs.Well don't expect this government to allow the data to be released >>>>>>again in a hurry - they don't want confirmation of the very wide >>>>>>support and the world-beating savings of lives that resulted from the >>>>>>actions of the Ardern government. . .
The jury is still out on that. Data is still being requested and so far >>>>>>>not
released.
released." The Seymour/Peters/Luxon government has been in for a long
time now - are you saying they are refusing to release data?
Again more stupidity from Tony.Cite? Not nonsense, actual prrof that what you said is true I quote "we know >that the actionsExcess death graphs giving international comparisons - posted plenty, and through comparisons generated usingWe know nothing of the sort - cite?
that data by World Health Organisations, we know that the actions
taken by our government at that time resulted in a reduction in death >>>>rates from all causes
of times here . . .
taken by our government at that time resulted in a reduction in death
rates from all causes." No proof of this has ever been posted here.
So how do you explain it?
- and yes we know that some of that was due toUnproven rhetoric.
reductions in deaths from road fatalities, and from influenza - the >>>>precautions taken in rest homes and retirement villages were effective >>>>- we had learned how vulnerable old people are from some early >>>>spreading events, and took steps to reduce those deaths.
There has been in the past - the way things are going off track manyWhat other explanations do you have for our mortality experience being >>lower than the period before Covid, Tony. Road fatality statisticsNo proof of that either.
were quite clear at the time - but of course you won't want to watch
them as higher speeds cause higher deaths in the future . . .
comparisons I have yet again posted are enough for us to know that New
Political rhetoric. Ardern refused to release much data, this government has >>>not fixed that but they have time. Ardern doesn't, she is irrelevant. Unsupported assertions again, Tony. The data required for the
So you will appreciate why the current government does not really want >>>>anyone to look at that data again and reflect on why we did so much >>>>better than other countries at keeping our people alive - having >>>>courted nutters to get elected, they do not want those crazies to >>>>realise the depth of support there was, including from the National >>>>Party, for the precautions taken by the Ardern Government that were so >>>>successful
Inn other words you are not able to give any coherent response soI did not say that you twerp. Your comment was irrelevant and still is. >>>>>Your denial of truth knows no bounds - are you paid to post here by the >>>>>MarxistSo you thing correlation research is irrelevant - is that because it >>>>>>supported the actions of the Labour government during Covid?Irrelevant.
Then of course there is this response: >>>>>>>>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10203614/
Who can tell whether the National Library of Medicine is more or less >>>>>>>>reliable than a voluntary group with a novel attitude towards >>>>>>>>scientific research: -
Correlational research is a type of non-experimental research in which >>>>>>>>the researcher measures two variables and assesses the statistical >>>>>>>>relationship (i.e., the correlation) between them with little or no >>>>>>>>effort to control extraneous variables.
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On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 05:37:14 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe truth is never abuse and I wrote the truth. They were the most incompetent government in the history of this country by a country mile.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Now you are just being abusive.
On Tue, 8 Oct 2024 00:11:45 -0000 (UTC), TonyYes and has been since the last government was pretending to govern.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, you said that "Data is still being requested and so far not >>>released." The Seymour/Peters/Luxon government has been in for a long >>>time now - are you saying they are refusing to release data?
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 18:35:57 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:But not all of it. As I pointed out. Are you that dense?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I said "released again", deliberately - the Ardern Government did >>>>>release a huge amount of data
On Mon, 7 Oct 2024 05:07:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:(and neither you or I know) then the damage was indee huge, here also - >>>>>>facts
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Only on far right nutters that saw what widespread there was for the >>>>>>>actions taken - and the good results of that appear to be shown in the >>>>>>>link that you gave, Tony. Don't you believe that report any more? >>>>>>You are a genuineely nasty person. I have known very few. Read this - if >>>>>>true
On 7 Oct 2024 01:54:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>https://correlation-canada.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/07/2024-07-19-Correlation-ACM-World-125-countries-Rancourt-Hickey-Linard.pdfBuillshit. The stress was real and huge.
For those of you who are interested the link above maybe of >>>>>>>>>>interested.
It
is a mere 521 pages.
" We describe plausible mechanisms and argue that the three primary >>>>>>>>>>causes
of death associated with the excess all-cause mortality during (and >>>>>>>>>>after)
the Covid period are:
(1) Biological (including psychological) stress from mandates such as >>>>>>>>>>lockdowns and associated socio-economic structural changes
(2) Non-COVID-19-vaccine medical interventions such as mechanical >>>>>>>>>>ventilators and drugs (including denial of treatment with antibiotics)
(3) COVID-19 vaccine injection rollouts, including repeated rollouts >>>>>>>>>>on
the
same populations."
So there we have it, the treatment did not improve matters. >>>>>>>>>>
Plenty of graphs as well in the 521 pages.
Thanks for that. It appears to be saying that a country that had lower >>>>>>>>>mortality than pre-covid , correlates with lower stress from mandates >>>>>>>>>than other countries - it is good to get conformation of that for New >>>>>>>>>Zealand,
cannot be ignored by sane individuls but they are by you.
The last government refused also - geez you are dumb.
. but it does not explain why our lower excess mortality lasted >>>>>>>>>well into the sequential roll-outs.Well don't expect this government to allow the data to be released >>>>>>>again in a hurry - they don't want confirmation of the very wide >>>>>>>support and the world-beating savings of lives that resulted from the >>>>>>>actions of the Ardern government. . .
The jury is still out on that. Data is still being requested and so far >>>>>>>>not
released.
No answer then, as I expected. No cite, no proof.Again more stupidity from Tony.Cite? Not nonsense, actual prrof that what you said is true I quote "we know >>that the actionsExcess death graphs giving international comparisons - posted plenty, and through comparisons generated usingWe know nothing of the sort - cite?
that data by World Health Organisations, we know that the actions >>>>>taken by our government at that time resulted in a reduction in death >>>>>rates from all causes
of times here . . .
taken by our government at that time resulted in a reduction in death
rates from all causes." No proof of this has ever been posted here.
See: >https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?time=earliest..2023-12-31&country=~NZLCompletely irrelevant. Show how what I posted does not apply here - because it does.
The comparison with other countries changes the scale to make the
savings less obvious - but our better performance is still clear: >https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?time=earliest..2023-12-31&country=NZL~AUS~FRA~GBR~USA
(Try clicking on the selection of the UK and USA to see what a
difference that makes)
What? You have shown no evidence.So how do you explain it?
- and yes we know that some of that was due toUnproven rhetoric.
reductions in deaths from road fatalities, and from influenza - the >>>>>precautions taken in rest homes and retirement villages were effective >>>>>- we had learned how vulnerable old people are from some early >>>>>spreading events, and took steps to reduce those deaths.
Off topic childishness.There has been in the past - the way things are going off track manyWhat other explanations do you have for our mortality experience being >>>lower than the period before Covid, Tony. Road fatality statisticsNo proof of that either.
were quite clear at the time - but of course you won't want to watch
them as higher speeds cause higher deaths in the future . . .
may not be able to afford to drive . . .
Yes and I am entit;ed to them just as you do exactly the same daily.
Political rhetoric. Ardern refused to release much data, this government >>>>has
So you will appreciate why the current government does not really want >>>>>anyone to look at that data again and reflect on why we did so much >>>>>better than other countries at keeping our people alive - having >>>>>courted nutters to get elected, they do not want those crazies to >>>>>realise the depth of support there was, including from the National >>>>>Party, for the precautions taken by the Ardern Government that were so >>>>>successful
not fixed that but they have time. Ardern doesn't, she is irrelevant. >Unsupported assertions again, Tony.
The data required for theNo they have not. Produce the proof or piss off little boy.
comparisons I have yet again posted are enough for us to know that New >Zealand did extremely well in keeping Covid deaths low.
Abuse gone.I did not say that you twerp. Your comment was irrelevant and still is. >>>>>>Your denial of truth knows no bounds - are you paid to post here by the >>>>>>MarxistSo you thing correlation research is irrelevant - is that because it >>>>>>>supported the actions of the Labour government during Covid?Irrelevant.
Then of course there is this response: >>>>>>>>>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10203614/
Who can tell whether the National Library of Medicine is more or less >>>>>>>>>reliable than a voluntary group with a novel attitude towards >>>>>>>>>scientific research: -
Correlational research is a type of non-experimental research in which >>>>>>>>>the researcher measures two variables and assesses the statistical >>>>>>>>>relationship (i.e., the correlation) between them with little or no >>>>>>>>>effort to control extraneous variables.
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