Ardern's official citation listed her leadership in response to the 15You can fool some of the people........
March terrorist attacks and the Covid-19 pandemic "positioning New
Zealand as having one of the lowest Covid-19 related death rates in
the Western world".
Ardern's official citation listed her leadership in response to the 15Worst PM this country has ever had and probably ever will.
March terrorist attacks and the Covid-19 pandemic "positioning New
Zealand as having one of the lowest Covid-19 related death rates in
the Western world".
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/530545/jacinda-ardern-to-receive-damehood-from-prince-william-at-windsor-castle-investiture-ceremony
Ardern's official citation listed her leadership in response to the 15
March terrorist attacks and the Covid-19 pandemic "positioning New
Zealand as having one of the lowest Covid-19 related death rates in
the Western world".
On 2024-10-12, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/530545/jacinda-ardern-to-receive-damehood-from-prince-william-at-windsor-castle-investiture-ceremonyIt is such a pity that in circumstances such as this that the other >achievements are not recognised.
Ardern's official citation listed her leadership in response to the 15
March terrorist attacks and the Covid-19 pandemic "positioning New
Zealand as having one of the lowest Covid-19 related death rates in
the Western world".
Or even take into account the excess deaths.
On 13 Oct 2024 23:57:04 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Keep peddling your lies. They will haunt you one day. Oh, and my spelling is correct, just teaching you some good gerund form.
On 2024-10-12, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is such a pity that in circumstances such as this that the other >>achievements are not recognised.https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/530545/jacinda-ardern-to-receive-damehood-from-prince-william-at-windsor-castle-investiture-ceremony
Ardern's official citation listed her leadership in response to the 15
March terrorist attacks and the Covid-19 pandemic "positioning New
Zealand as having one of the lowest Covid-19 related death rates in
the Western world".
Or even take into account the excess deaths.
Yes the excess deaths were taken into account - the startling reality
for the rest of the world was that for a considerable period, those
excess deaths were _negative_ - in other words we experienced lower
deaths due to fewer Covid deaths than other countries, but the
precautions also reducing deaths from other causes such as road
accidents and influenza. But you are correct there are a number of
other achievements that could have also been highlighted.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Oct 2024 23:57:04 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Keep peddling your lies. They will haunt you one day. Oh, and my spelling is >correct, just teaching you some good gerund form.
On 2024-10-12, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is such a pity that in circumstances such as this that the other >>>achievements are not recognised.https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/530545/jacinda-ardern-to-receive-damehood-from-prince-william-at-windsor-castle-investiture-ceremony
Ardern's official citation listed her leadership in response to the 15 >>>> March terrorist attacks and the Covid-19 pandemic "positioning New
Zealand as having one of the lowest Covid-19 related death rates in
the Western world".
Or even take into account the excess deaths.
Yes the excess deaths were taken into account - the startling reality
for the rest of the world was that for a considerable period, those
excess deaths were _negative_ - in other words we experienced lower
deaths due to fewer Covid deaths than other countries, but the
precautions also reducing deaths from other causes such as road
accidents and influenza. But you are correct there are a number of
other achievements that could have also been highlighted.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 02:50:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyIf only you had not lied. But you did. More than once.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Oct 2024 23:57:04 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Keep peddling your lies. They will haunt you one day. Oh, and my spelling is >>correct, just teaching you some good gerund form.
On 2024-10-12, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is such a pity that in circumstances such as this that the other >>>>achievements are not recognised.https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/530545/jacinda-ardern-to-receive-damehood-from-prince-william-at-windsor-castle-investiture-ceremony
Ardern's official citation listed her leadership in response to the 15 >>>>> March terrorist attacks and the Covid-19 pandemic "positioning New
Zealand as having one of the lowest Covid-19 related death rates in
the Western world".
Or even take into account the excess deaths.
Yes the excess deaths were taken into account - the startling reality
for the rest of the world was that for a considerable period, those >>>excess deaths were _negative_ - in other words we experienced lower >>>deaths due to fewer Covid deaths than other countries, but the >>>precautions also reducing deaths from other causes such as road
accidents and influenza. But you are correct there are a number of
other achievements that could have also been highlighted.
There were no lies in what I said - so I have not peddled any lies -
making your statement a lie . . .,
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, yo are again wrong - you cannot identify a lie so just make shit
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 02:50:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyIf only you had not lied. But you did. More than once.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Oct 2024 23:57:04 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Keep peddling your lies. They will haunt you one day. Oh, and my spelling is >>>correct, just teaching you some good gerund form.
On 2024-10-12, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is such a pity that in circumstances such as this that the other >>>>>achievements are not recognised.https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/530545/jacinda-ardern-to-receive-damehood-from-prince-william-at-windsor-castle-investiture-ceremony
Ardern's official citation listed her leadership in response to the 15 >>>>>> March terrorist attacks and the Covid-19 pandemic "positioning New >>>>>> Zealand as having one of the lowest Covid-19 related death rates in >>>>>> the Western world".
Or even take into account the excess deaths.
Yes the excess deaths were taken into account - the startling reality >>>>for the rest of the world was that for a considerable period, those >>>>excess deaths were _negative_ - in other words we experienced lower >>>>deaths due to fewer Covid deaths than other countries, but the >>>>precautions also reducing deaths from other causes such as road >>>>accidents and influenza. But you are correct there are a number of >>>>other achievements that could have also been highlighted.
There were no lies in what I said - so I have not peddled any lies -
making your statement a lie . . .,
in other words we experienced lower deaths due to fewer Covid deaths than other countries,
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 06:19:41 -0000 (UTC), TonyAnother lie - you cannot help it. Sociopathy does that to people. You need help.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, yo are again wrong - you cannot identify a lie so just make shit
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 02:50:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyIf only you had not lied. But you did. More than once.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Oct 2024 23:57:04 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Keep peddling your lies. They will haunt you one day. Oh, and my spelling >>>>is
On 2024-10-12, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is such a pity that in circumstances such as this that the other >>>>>>achievements are not recognised.https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/530545/jacinda-ardern-to-receive-damehood-from-prince-william-at-windsor-castle-investiture-ceremony
Ardern's official citation listed her leadership in response to the 15 >>>>>>> March terrorist attacks and the Covid-19 pandemic "positioning New >>>>>>> Zealand as having one of the lowest Covid-19 related death rates in >>>>>>> the Western world".
Or even take into account the excess deaths.
Yes the excess deaths were taken into account - the startling reality >>>>>for the rest of the world was that for a considerable period, those >>>>>excess deaths were _negative_ - in other words we experienced lower >>>>>deaths due to fewer Covid deaths than other countries, but the >>>>>precautions also reducing deaths from other causes such as road >>>>>accidents and influenza. But you are correct there are a number of >>>>>other achievements that could have also been highlighted.
correct, just teaching you some good gerund form.
There were no lies in what I said - so I have not peddled any lies - >>>making your statement a lie . . .,
up - anything to avoid recognising the reason Jacinda Ardern is
receiving a significant honour from Prince William.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 14:42:51 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
in other words we experienced lower deaths due to fewer Covid deaths than other countries,
It is impossible to get accurate statistics on any of this because
there was so much ambiguity around what constitutes a "covid death".
Every commentator just spins it to suit their own narrarive, as you
have just done.
Bill.
On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 06:00:27 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:You can spin it any way your choose. The fact is we have not been given all of the data. Fact, not supposition, not anything but the truth.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 14:42:51 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
in other words we experienced lower deaths due to fewer Covid deaths than >>>other countries,
It is impossible to get accurate statistics on any of this because
there was so much ambiguity around what constitutes a "covid death".
Every commentator just spins it to suit their own narrarive, as you
have just done.
Bill.
As I said earlier, but you deleted:
"Yes the excess deaths were taken into account - the startling reality
for the rest of the world was that for a considerable period, those
excess deaths were _negative_ - in other words we experienced lower
deaths due to fewer Covid deaths than other countries, but the
precautions also reducing deaths from other causes such as road
accidents and influenza."
One of the statistics that we can track very accurately is deaths -
deaths are usually noticed fairly quickly, and are required to be
reported fairly quickly. With that data we have other information
about those that have died such as their age.
So one of the international comparisons was to look at the statistics
for deaths based on the age of death, and compare predictions based on
the death rates for each age in the year prior to Covid. They could
also look at other causes of death - for example we know that the
number of road deaths reduced because of the lockdowns - but the
numbers were very small. At that time, some countries were
experiencing very high rates of death from Covid - they were
bulldozing trenches for dead bodies in some places!
Now lockdowns did also reduce road deaths in New Zealand - but the
number was very small - not enough to significantly change overall
death rates significantly. We did see some groups of death from
spreader events - when Covid was carried to a couple of rest homes for >example, or to some church services where people were gathered close >together, and those were investigated quickly and further gatherings >discouraged, but most significantly visits to hospitals and rest homes
and hospices were reduced by either not permitting visitors or
insisting on a clear Covid test when those became available.
The reduction in influenza and other respiratory diseases through
those precautions was significant - it was more significant than
actual Covid related deaths, and we saw a reduction in overall rates
of death for quite some time.
In international comparisons covering the Covid period on that basis,
New Zealand did better than nearly every other country, and I have
posted the link to those statistics a number of times. Our rates of
death from Covid have increased - they are apparently around 1000 a
year, and we are on our sixth variant; with new variants arriving
about every 5 to 6 months. That may well be because the rate of
vaccination has reduced - it is no longer free for all, and some
idiots refuse to be vaccinated even if it is free for them (there was
a big increase in hospitalisations during the parliamentary protests -
many of those having not been vaccinated).
Some countries are still experiencing much higher death rates than
pre-Covid; we are not.
So yes it is possible to get accurate statistics without having to
rely on recorded cause of death - but we have a fairly good idea as to
how many deaths are caused by Covid - some are obvious; although it
may be harder to keep Covid influenced deaths separate from other
causes as we get more cases of "long Covid" - that is largely for the
future however . . .
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:47:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe award was and always is, nowadays, approved byu the government. The King simply honours that decision. You are twisting stuff again.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Before the presentation she does not have that honour, afterwards she
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 06:19:41 -0000 (UTC), TonyAnother lie - you cannot help it. Sociopathy does that to people. You need >>help.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, yo are again wrong - you cannot identify a lie so just make shit
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 02:50:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:If only you had not lied. But you did. More than once.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Oct 2024 23:57:04 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Keep peddling your lies. They will haunt you one day. Oh, and my spelling >>>>>>is
On 2024-10-12, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is such a pity that in circumstances such as this that the other >>>>>>>>achievements are not recognised.https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/530545/jacinda-ardern-to-receive-damehood-from-prince-william-at-windsor-castle-investiture-ceremony
Ardern's official citation listed her leadership in response to the 15
March terrorist attacks and the Covid-19 pandemic "positioning New >>>>>>>>> Zealand as having one of the lowest Covid-19 related death rates in >>>>>>>>> the Western world".
Or even take into account the excess deaths.
Yes the excess deaths were taken into account - the startling reality >>>>>>>for the rest of the world was that for a considerable period, those >>>>>>>excess deaths were _negative_ - in other words we experienced lower >>>>>>>deaths due to fewer Covid deaths than other countries, but the >>>>>>>precautions also reducing deaths from other causes such as road >>>>>>>accidents and influenza. But you are correct there are a number of >>>>>>>other achievements that could have also been highlighted.
correct, just teaching you some good gerund form.
There were no lies in what I said - so I have not peddled any lies - >>>>>making your statement a lie . . .,
up - anything to avoid recognising the reason Jacinda Ardern is
receiving a significant honour from Prince William.
Prince William is doing nothing of the sort - it is from thee NZ government >>and
the Prince is doing as requested.
will. Yes some people are referring to her as having already received
it, but technically the action of Prince William (on behalf of the
King) is, while symbolic, an important symbol of how seriously this
award is being taken by both New Zealand and the King.
And clearly you are biased. I have no sour grapes, my rewards are already in place. I, unlike you, have not wasted my life on trivia.Ardern was the worst PM we have ever had and history will show that.Oh dear - sour grapes from one who is unlikely to ever receive any
civil award - and a view clearly not shared by most New Zealanders or
those outside New Zealand, including our government and the Royal
Family.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Before the presentation she does not have that honour, afterwards she
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 06:19:41 -0000 (UTC), TonyAnother lie - you cannot help it. Sociopathy does that to people. You need help.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, yo are again wrong - you cannot identify a lie so just make shit
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 02:50:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:If only you had not lied. But you did. More than once.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Oct 2024 23:57:04 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Keep peddling your lies. They will haunt you one day. Oh, and my spelling >>>>>is
On 2024-10-12, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is such a pity that in circumstances such as this that the other >>>>>>>achievements are not recognised.https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/530545/jacinda-ardern-to-receive-damehood-from-prince-william-at-windsor-castle-investiture-ceremony
Ardern's official citation listed her leadership in response to the 15 >>>>>>>> March terrorist attacks and the Covid-19 pandemic "positioning New >>>>>>>> Zealand as having one of the lowest Covid-19 related death rates in >>>>>>>> the Western world".
Or even take into account the excess deaths.
Yes the excess deaths were taken into account - the startling reality >>>>>>for the rest of the world was that for a considerable period, those >>>>>>excess deaths were _negative_ - in other words we experienced lower >>>>>>deaths due to fewer Covid deaths than other countries, but the >>>>>>precautions also reducing deaths from other causes such as road >>>>>>accidents and influenza. But you are correct there are a number of >>>>>>other achievements that could have also been highlighted.
correct, just teaching you some good gerund form.
There were no lies in what I said - so I have not peddled any lies - >>>>making your statement a lie . . .,
up - anything to avoid recognising the reason Jacinda Ardern is
receiving a significant honour from Prince William.
Prince William is doing nothing of the sort - it is from thee NZ government and
the Prince is doing as requested.
Ardern was the worst PM we have ever had and history will show that.Oh dear - sour grapes from one who is unlikely to ever receive any
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:38:25 -0000 (UTC), TonyI was, you just needed to be taught. You have now learned.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Never disputed - and byu should presumably be just by . . .
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:47:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe award was and always is, nowadays, approved byu the government.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Before the presentation she does not have that honour, afterwards she >>>will. Yes some people are referring to her as having already received
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 06:19:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Another lie - you cannot help it. Sociopathy does that to people. You need >>>>help.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, yo are again wrong - you cannot identify a lie so just make shit >>>>>up - anything to avoid recognising the reason Jacinda Ardern is >>>>>receiving a significant honour from Prince William.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 02:50:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:If only you had not lied. But you did. More than once.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Oct 2024 23:57:04 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>Keep peddling your lies. They will haunt you one day. Oh, and my >>>>>>>>spelling
On 2024-10-12, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is such a pity that in circumstances such as this that the other >>>>>>>>>>achievements are not recognised.https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/530545/jacinda-ardern-to-receive-damehood-from-prince-william-at-windsor-castle-investiture-ceremony
Ardern's official citation listed her leadership in response to the >>>>>>>>>>>15
March terrorist attacks and the Covid-19 pandemic "positioning New >>>>>>>>>>> Zealand as having one of the lowest Covid-19 related death rates in >>>>>>>>>>> the Western world".
Or even take into account the excess deaths.
Yes the excess deaths were taken into account - the startling reality >>>>>>>>>for the rest of the world was that for a considerable period, those >>>>>>>>>excess deaths were _negative_ - in other words we experienced lower >>>>>>>>>deaths due to fewer Covid deaths than other countries, but the >>>>>>>>>precautions also reducing deaths from other causes such as road >>>>>>>>>accidents and influenza. But you are correct there are a number of >>>>>>>>>other achievements that could have also been highlighted.
is
correct, just teaching you some good gerund form.
There were no lies in what I said - so I have not peddled any lies - >>>>>>>making your statement a lie . . .,
Prince William is doing nothing of the sort - it is from thee NZ government >>>>and
the Prince is doing as requested.
it, but technically the action of Prince William (on behalf of the
King) is, while symbolic, an important symbol of how seriously this
award is being taken by both New Zealand and the King.
The King simply honours that decision. You are twisting stuff again. >Delegated in this case to Prince William - do catch up Tony!
No twisting at all - were you not aware that most Awards are presented
by the Governor General?
I am implyingh nothing, you are twisting stuff again. Get a life little boy. Trivia is your life not mine.So you are just wasting your life with trivia now are you Tony - whatAnd clearly you are biased. I have no sour grapes, my rewards are already in >>place. I, unlike you, have not wasted my life on trivia.
Ardern was the worst PM we have ever had and history will show that.Oh dear - sour grapes from one who is unlikely to ever receive any
civil award - and a view clearly not shared by most New Zealanders or >>>those outside New Zealand, including our government and the Royal
Family.
made you change your mind? You appear to be implying that you have
received a civic award . . . which one?
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:38:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Never disputed - and byu should presumably be just by . . .
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:47:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe award was and always is, nowadays, approved byu the government.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Before the presentation she does not have that honour, afterwards she >>>will. Yes some people are referring to her as having already received
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 06:19:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Another lie - you cannot help it. Sociopathy does that to people. You need >>>>help.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, yo are again wrong - you cannot identify a lie so just make shit >>>>>up - anything to avoid recognising the reason Jacinda Ardern is >>>>>receiving a significant honour from Prince William.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 02:50:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:If only you had not lied. But you did. More than once.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Oct 2024 23:57:04 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>Keep peddling your lies. They will haunt you one day. Oh, and my spelling
On 2024-10-12, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is such a pity that in circumstances such as this that the other >>>>>>>>>>achievements are not recognised.https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/530545/jacinda-ardern-to-receive-damehood-from-prince-william-at-windsor-castle-investiture-ceremony
Ardern's official citation listed her leadership in response to the 15
March terrorist attacks and the Covid-19 pandemic "positioning New >>>>>>>>>>> Zealand as having one of the lowest Covid-19 related death rates in >>>>>>>>>>> the Western world".
Or even take into account the excess deaths.
Yes the excess deaths were taken into account - the startling reality >>>>>>>>>for the rest of the world was that for a considerable period, those >>>>>>>>>excess deaths were _negative_ - in other words we experienced lower >>>>>>>>>deaths due to fewer Covid deaths than other countries, but the >>>>>>>>>precautions also reducing deaths from other causes such as road >>>>>>>>>accidents and influenza. But you are correct there are a number of >>>>>>>>>other achievements that could have also been highlighted.
is
correct, just teaching you some good gerund form.
There were no lies in what I said - so I have not peddled any lies - >>>>>>>making your statement a lie . . .,
Prince William is doing nothing of the sort - it is from thee NZ government >>>>and
the Prince is doing as requested.
it, but technically the action of Prince William (on behalf of the
King) is, while symbolic, an important symbol of how seriously this
award is being taken by both New Zealand and the King.
The King simply honours that decision. You are twisting stuff again. >Delegated in this case to Prince William - do catch up Tony!
No twisting at all - were you not aware that most Awards are presented
by the Governor General?
So you are just wasting your life with trivia now are you Tony - whatAnd clearly you are biased. I have no sour grapes, my rewards are already in >>place. I, unlike you, have not wasted my life on trivia.
Ardern was the worst PM we have ever had and history will show that.Oh dear - sour grapes from one who is unlikely to ever receive any
civil award - and a view clearly not shared by most New Zealanders or >>>those outside New Zealand, including our government and the Royal
Family.
made you change your mind? You appear to be implying that you have
received a civic award . . . which one?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 06:00:27 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:You can spin it any way your choose. The fact is we have not been given all of >the data. Fact, not supposition, not anything but the truth.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 14:42:51 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
in other words we experienced lower deaths due to fewer Covid deaths than >>>>other countries,
It is impossible to get accurate statistics on any of this because
there was so much ambiguity around what constitutes a "covid death".
Every commentator just spins it to suit their own narrarive, as you
have just done.
Bill.
As I said earlier, but you deleted:
"Yes the excess deaths were taken into account - the startling reality
for the rest of the world was that for a considerable period, those
excess deaths were _negative_ - in other words we experienced lower
deaths due to fewer Covid deaths than other countries, but the
precautions also reducing deaths from other causes such as road
accidents and influenza."
One of the statistics that we can track very accurately is deaths -
deaths are usually noticed fairly quickly, and are required to be
reported fairly quickly. With that data we have other information
about those that have died such as their age.
So one of the international comparisons was to look at the statistics
for deaths based on the age of death, and compare predictions based on
the death rates for each age in the year prior to Covid. They could
also look at other causes of death - for example we know that the
number of road deaths reduced because of the lockdowns - but the
numbers were very small. At that time, some countries were
experiencing very high rates of death from Covid - they were
bulldozing trenches for dead bodies in some places!
Now lockdowns did also reduce road deaths in New Zealand - but the
number was very small - not enough to significantly change overall
death rates significantly. We did see some groups of death from
spreader events - when Covid was carried to a couple of rest homes for >>example, or to some church services where people were gathered close >>together, and those were investigated quickly and further gatherings >>discouraged, but most significantly visits to hospitals and rest homes
and hospices were reduced by either not permitting visitors or
insisting on a clear Covid test when those became available.
The reduction in influenza and other respiratory diseases through
those precautions was significant - it was more significant than
actual Covid related deaths, and we saw a reduction in overall rates
of death for quite some time.
In international comparisons covering the Covid period on that basis,
New Zealand did better than nearly every other country, and I have
posted the link to those statistics a number of times. Our rates of
death from Covid have increased - they are apparently around 1000 a
year, and we are on our sixth variant; with new variants arriving
about every 5 to 6 months. That may well be because the rate of
vaccination has reduced - it is no longer free for all, and some
idiots refuse to be vaccinated even if it is free for them (there was
a big increase in hospitalisations during the parliamentary protests -
many of those having not been vaccinated).
Some countries are still experiencing much higher death rates than >>pre-Covid; we are not.
So yes it is possible to get accurate statistics without having to
rely on recorded cause of death - but we have a fairly good idea as to
how many deaths are caused by Covid - some are obvious; although it
may be harder to keep Covid influenced deaths separate from other
causes as we get more cases of "long Covid" - that is largely for the >>future however . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Never disputed - and byu should presumably be just by . . .
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:47:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe award was and always is, nowadays, approved byu the government.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Before the presentation she does not have that honour, afterwards she
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 06:19:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Another lie - you cannot help it. Sociopathy does that to people. You need >>>help.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, yo are again wrong - you cannot identify a lie so just make shit
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 02:50:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:If only you had not lied. But you did. More than once.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Oct 2024 23:57:04 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>Keep peddling your lies. They will haunt you one day. Oh, and my spelling
On 2024-10-12, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is such a pity that in circumstances such as this that the other >>>>>>>>>achievements are not recognised.https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/530545/jacinda-ardern-to-receive-damehood-from-prince-william-at-windsor-castle-investiture-ceremony
Ardern's official citation listed her leadership in response to the 15
March terrorist attacks and the Covid-19 pandemic "positioning New >>>>>>>>>> Zealand as having one of the lowest Covid-19 related death rates in >>>>>>>>>> the Western world".
Or even take into account the excess deaths.
Yes the excess deaths were taken into account - the startling reality >>>>>>>>for the rest of the world was that for a considerable period, those >>>>>>>>excess deaths were _negative_ - in other words we experienced lower >>>>>>>>deaths due to fewer Covid deaths than other countries, but the >>>>>>>>precautions also reducing deaths from other causes such as road >>>>>>>>accidents and influenza. But you are correct there are a number of >>>>>>>>other achievements that could have also been highlighted.
is
correct, just teaching you some good gerund form.
There were no lies in what I said - so I have not peddled any lies - >>>>>>making your statement a lie . . .,
up - anything to avoid recognising the reason Jacinda Ardern is >>>>receiving a significant honour from Prince William.
Prince William is doing nothing of the sort - it is from thee NZ government >>>and
the Prince is doing as requested.
will. Yes some people are referring to her as having already received
it, but technically the action of Prince William (on behalf of the
King) is, while symbolic, an important symbol of how seriously this
award is being taken by both New Zealand and the King.
The King simply honours that decision. You are twisting stuff again.Delegated in this case to Prince William - do catch up Tony!
So you are just wasting your life with trivia now are you Tony - whatAnd clearly you are biased. I have no sour grapes, my rewards are already in >place. I, unlike you, have not wasted my life on trivia.
Ardern was the worst PM we have ever had and history will show that.Oh dear - sour grapes from one who is unlikely to ever receive any
civil award - and a view clearly not shared by most New Zealanders or
those outside New Zealand, including our government and the Royal
Family.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:36:01 -0000 (UTC), TonyWhat garbage,
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 06:00:27 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:You can spin it any way your choose. The fact is we have not been given all >>of
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 14:42:51 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
in other words we experienced lower deaths due to fewer Covid deaths than >>>>>other countries,
It is impossible to get accurate statistics on any of this because >>>>there was so much ambiguity around what constitutes a "covid death".
Every commentator just spins it to suit their own narrarive, as you >>>>have just done.
Bill.
As I said earlier, but you deleted:
"Yes the excess deaths were taken into account - the startling reality >>>for the rest of the world was that for a considerable period, those >>>excess deaths were _negative_ - in other words we experienced lower >>>deaths due to fewer Covid deaths than other countries, but the >>>precautions also reducing deaths from other causes such as road
accidents and influenza."
One of the statistics that we can track very accurately is deaths - >>>deaths are usually noticed fairly quickly, and are required to be >>>reported fairly quickly. With that data we have other information
about those that have died such as their age.
So one of the international comparisons was to look at the statistics
for deaths based on the age of death, and compare predictions based on >>>the death rates for each age in the year prior to Covid. They could
also look at other causes of death - for example we know that the
number of road deaths reduced because of the lockdowns - but the
numbers were very small. At that time, some countries were
experiencing very high rates of death from Covid - they were
bulldozing trenches for dead bodies in some places!
Now lockdowns did also reduce road deaths in New Zealand - but the
number was very small - not enough to significantly change overall
death rates significantly. We did see some groups of death from
spreader events - when Covid was carried to a couple of rest homes for >>>example, or to some church services where people were gathered close >>>together, and those were investigated quickly and further gatherings >>>discouraged, but most significantly visits to hospitals and rest homes >>>and hospices were reduced by either not permitting visitors or
insisting on a clear Covid test when those became available.
The reduction in influenza and other respiratory diseases through
those precautions was significant - it was more significant than
actual Covid related deaths, and we saw a reduction in overall rates
of death for quite some time.
In international comparisons covering the Covid period on that basis,
New Zealand did better than nearly every other country, and I have
posted the link to those statistics a number of times. Our rates of
death from Covid have increased - they are apparently around 1000 a
year, and we are on our sixth variant; with new variants arriving
about every 5 to 6 months. That may well be because the rate of >>>vaccination has reduced - it is no longer free for all, and some
idiots refuse to be vaccinated even if it is free for them (there was
a big increase in hospitalisations during the parliamentary protests - >>>many of those having not been vaccinated).
Some countries are still experiencing much higher death rates than >>>pre-Covid; we are not.
So yes it is possible to get accurate statistics without having to
rely on recorded cause of death - but we have a fairly good idea as to >>>how many deaths are caused by Covid - some are obvious; although it
may be harder to keep Covid influenced deaths separate from other
causes as we get more cases of "long Covid" - that is largely for the >>>future however . . .
the data. Fact, not supposition, not anything but the truth.
For once you are absolutely correct - no you will not be told all the
data or facts about Covid deaths, Tony. Just imagine if a relative of
yours died after having caught Covid attending the nutter protests at >parliament - would you want the names of those that died around that
time to have been published? It did not happen under the government
then and still wont happen. In fact, the current government has kept
most of the policies put in place by the previous government - there
are still recommendations based on the best scientific advice the
government receives to keep updated on vaccinations, and to be careful
around those that have Covid to avoid it spreading. No changes to the
release of data, but the data on deaths does not include those privacy
issues - it is still being collected, but our performance has
deteriorated - with deaths current at around 1000 a year they have
increased on recent years, and quite possible increased in the last
year. What facts are you claiming that the Coalition Government is
keeping from you, Tony?
On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 14:31:17 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:38:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Never disputed - and byu should presumably be just by . . .
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:47:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:The award was and always is, nowadays, approved byu the government.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Before the presentation she does not have that honour, afterwards she >>>>will. Yes some people are referring to her as having already received >>>>it, but technically the action of Prince William (on behalf of the >>>>King) is, while symbolic, an important symbol of how seriously this >>>>award is being taken by both New Zealand and the King.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 06:19:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Another lie - you cannot help it. Sociopathy does that to people. You need >>>>>help.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, yo are again wrong - you cannot identify a lie so just make shit >>>>>>up - anything to avoid recognising the reason Jacinda Ardern is >>>>>>receiving a significant honour from Prince William.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 02:50:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:If only you had not lied. But you did. More than once.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Oct 2024 23:57:04 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>is
On 2024-10-12, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
It is such a pity that in circumstances such as this that the other >>>>>>>>>>>achievements are not recognised.https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/530545/jacinda-ardern-to-receive-damehood-from-prince-william-at-windsor-castle-investiture-ceremony
Ardern's official citation listed her leadership in response to the 15
March terrorist attacks and the Covid-19 pandemic "positioning New >>>>>>>>>>>> Zealand as having one of the lowest Covid-19 related death rates in
the Western world".
Or even take into account the excess deaths.
Yes the excess deaths were taken into account - the startling reality >>>>>>>>>>for the rest of the world was that for a considerable period, those >>>>>>>>>>excess deaths were _negative_ - in other words we experienced lower >>>>>>>>>>deaths due to fewer Covid deaths than other countries, but the >>>>>>>>>>precautions also reducing deaths from other causes such as road >>>>>>>>>>accidents and influenza. But you are correct there are a number of >>>>>>>>>>other achievements that could have also been highlighted. >>>>>>>>>Keep peddling your lies. They will haunt you one day. Oh, and my spelling
correct, just teaching you some good gerund form.
There were no lies in what I said - so I have not peddled any lies - >>>>>>>>making your statement a lie . . .,
Prince William is doing nothing of the sort - it is from thee NZ government
and
the Prince is doing as requested.
The King simply honours that decision. You are twisting stuff again. >>Delegated in this case to Prince William - do catch up Tony!
No twisting at all - were you not aware that most Awards are presented
by the Governor General?
So you are just wasting your life with trivia now are you Tony - whatAnd clearly you are biased. I have no sour grapes, my rewards are already in >>>place. I, unlike you, have not wasted my life on trivia.
Ardern was the worst PM we have ever had and history will show that. >>>>Oh dear - sour grapes from one who is unlikely to ever receive any >>>>civil award - and a view clearly not shared by most New Zealanders or >>>>those outside New Zealand, including our government and the Royal >>>>Family.
made you change your mind? You appear to be implying that you have >>received a civic award . . . which one?
Rich, how on earth can you be confused between rewards (as Tony
referenced) and awards (civic or otherwise)? Ok I get it - just
another example of your habitual verbal gymnastics.
On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 15:12:01 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>I have responded, a few hours ago.
wrote:
On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 14:31:17 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:38:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:47:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:The award was and always is, nowadays, approved byu the government. >>>Never disputed - and byu should presumably be just by . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Before the presentation she does not have that honour, afterwards she >>>>>will. Yes some people are referring to her as having already received >>>>>it, but technically the action of Prince William (on behalf of the >>>>>King) is, while symbolic, an important symbol of how seriously this >>>>>award is being taken by both New Zealand and the King.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 06:19:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Another lie - you cannot help it. Sociopathy does that to people. You >>>>>>need
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, yo are again wrong - you cannot identify a lie so just make shit >>>>>>>up - anything to avoid recognising the reason Jacinda Ardern is >>>>>>>receiving a significant honour from Prince William.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 02:50:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:If only you had not lied. But you did. More than once.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Oct 2024 23:57:04 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>is
On 2024-10-12, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/530545/jacinda-ardern-to-receive-damehood-from-prince-william-at-windsor-castle-investiture-ceremony
It is such a pity that in circumstances such as this that the other >>>>>>>>>>>>achievements are not recognised.
Ardern's official citation listed her leadership in response to >>>>>>>>>>>>>the 15
March terrorist attacks and the Covid-19 pandemic "positioning New
Zealand as having one of the lowest Covid-19 related death rates >>>>>>>>>>>>>in
the Western world".
Or even take into account the excess deaths.
Yes the excess deaths were taken into account - the startling reality
for the rest of the world was that for a considerable period, those >>>>>>>>>>>excess deaths were _negative_ - in other words we experienced lower >>>>>>>>>>>deaths due to fewer Covid deaths than other countries, but the >>>>>>>>>>>precautions also reducing deaths from other causes such as road >>>>>>>>>>>accidents and influenza. But you are correct there are a number of >>>>>>>>>>>other achievements that could have also been highlighted. >>>>>>>>>>Keep peddling your lies. They will haunt you one day. Oh, and my >>>>>>>>>>spelling
correct, just teaching you some good gerund form.
There were no lies in what I said - so I have not peddled any lies - >>>>>>>>>making your statement a lie . . .,
help.
Prince William is doing nothing of the sort - it is from thee NZ >>>>>>government
and
the Prince is doing as requested.
The King simply honours that decision. You are twisting stuff again. >>>Delegated in this case to Prince William - do catch up Tony!
No twisting at all - were you not aware that most Awards are presented
by the Governor General?
So you are just wasting your life with trivia now are you Tony - what >>>made you change your mind? You appear to be implying that you have >>>received a civic award . . . which one?And clearly you are biased. I have no sour grapes, my rewards are already >>>>in
Ardern was the worst PM we have ever had and history will show that. >>>>>Oh dear - sour grapes from one who is unlikely to ever receive any >>>>>civil award - and a view clearly not shared by most New Zealanders or >>>>>those outside New Zealand, including our government and the Royal >>>>>Family.
place. I, unlike you, have not wasted my life on trivia.
Rich, how on earth can you be confused between rewards (as Tony
referenced) and awards (civic or otherwise)? Ok I get it - just
another example of your habitual verbal gymnastics.
No, Tony introduced the word reward in a discussion about one
particular Award; I was merely asking if it was relevant to the
discussion and he has not responded - what do you think he meant,
Crash?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 15:12:01 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:I have responded, a few hours ago.
On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 14:31:17 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:38:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:47:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:The award was and always is, nowadays, approved byu the government. >>>>Never disputed - and byu should presumably be just by . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Before the presentation she does not have that honour, afterwards she >>>>>>will. Yes some people are referring to her as having already received >>>>>>it, but technically the action of Prince William (on behalf of the >>>>>>King) is, while symbolic, an important symbol of how seriously this >>>>>>award is being taken by both New Zealand and the King.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 06:19:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Another lie - you cannot help it. Sociopathy does that to people. You >>>>>>>need
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, yo are again wrong - you cannot identify a lie so just make shit >>>>>>>>up - anything to avoid recognising the reason Jacinda Ardern is >>>>>>>>receiving a significant honour from Prince William.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 02:50:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:If only you had not lied. But you did. More than once.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Oct 2024 23:57:04 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>is
On 2024-10-12, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/530545/jacinda-ardern-to-receive-damehood-from-prince-william-at-windsor-castle-investiture-ceremony
It is such a pity that in circumstances such as this that the other
Ardern's official citation listed her leadership in response to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>the 15
March terrorist attacks and the Covid-19 pandemic "positioning New
Zealand as having one of the lowest Covid-19 related death rates >>>>>>>>>>>>>>in
the Western world".
achievements are not recognised.
Or even take into account the excess deaths.
Yes the excess deaths were taken into account - the startling reality
for the rest of the world was that for a considerable period, those >>>>>>>>>>>>excess deaths were _negative_ - in other words we experienced lower >>>>>>>>>>>>deaths due to fewer Covid deaths than other countries, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>precautions also reducing deaths from other causes such as road >>>>>>>>>>>>accidents and influenza. But you are correct there are a number of >>>>>>>>>>>>other achievements that could have also been highlighted. >>>>>>>>>>>Keep peddling your lies. They will haunt you one day. Oh, and my >>>>>>>>>>>spelling
correct, just teaching you some good gerund form.
There were no lies in what I said - so I have not peddled any lies - >>>>>>>>>>making your statement a lie . . .,
help.
Prince William is doing nothing of the sort - it is from thee NZ >>>>>>>government
and
the Prince is doing as requested.
The King simply honours that decision. You are twisting stuff again. >>>>Delegated in this case to Prince William - do catch up Tony!
No twisting at all - were you not aware that most Awards are presented >>>>by the Governor General?
So you are just wasting your life with trivia now are you Tony - what >>>>made you change your mind? You appear to be implying that you have >>>>received a civic award . . . which one?And clearly you are biased. I have no sour grapes, my rewards are already >>>>>in
Ardern was the worst PM we have ever had and history will show that. >>>>>>Oh dear - sour grapes from one who is unlikely to ever receive any >>>>>>civil award - and a view clearly not shared by most New Zealanders or >>>>>>those outside New Zealand, including our government and the Royal >>>>>>Family.
place. I, unlike you, have not wasted my life on trivia.
Rich, how on earth can you be confused between rewards (as Tony >>>referenced) and awards (civic or otherwise)? Ok I get it - just
another example of your habitual verbal gymnastics.
No, Tony introduced the word reward in a discussion about one
particular Award; I was merely asking if it was relevant to the
discussion and he has not responded - what do you think he meant,
Crash?
I wrote "I am implying nothing, you are twisting stuff again. Get a life little
boy.
Trivia is your life not mine."
Why are you such a childish liar? Sociopathy, stupidity or just plain nastiness?
On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 06:17:59 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo. I responed directly to you. Read what I wrote and argue otherwise. You cannot. You really are a loser.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 15:12:01 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:I have responded, a few hours ago.
On Tue, 15 Oct 2024 14:31:17 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 21:38:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 18:47:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:The award was and always is, nowadays, approved byu the government. >>>>>Never disputed - and byu should presumably be just by . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Before the presentation she does not have that honour, afterwards she >>>>>>>will. Yes some people are referring to her as having already received >>>>>>>it, but technically the action of Prince William (on behalf of the >>>>>>>King) is, while symbolic, an important symbol of how seriously this >>>>>>>award is being taken by both New Zealand and the King.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 06:19:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Another lie - you cannot help it. Sociopathy does that to people. You >>>>>>>>need
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, yo are again wrong - you cannot identify a lie so just make shit >>>>>>>>>up - anything to avoid recognising the reason Jacinda Ardern is >>>>>>>>>receiving a significant honour from Prince William.
On Mon, 14 Oct 2024 02:50:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:If only you had not lied. But you did. More than once.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 13 Oct 2024 23:57:04 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>is
On 2024-10-12, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/530545/jacinda-ardern-to-receive-damehood-from-prince-william-at-windsor-castle-investiture-ceremony
It is such a pity that in circumstances such as this that the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>other
Ardern's official citation listed her leadership in response to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the 15
March terrorist attacks and the Covid-19 pandemic "positioning >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>New
Zealand as having one of the lowest Covid-19 related death >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>rates
in
the Western world".
achievements are not recognised.
Or even take into account the excess deaths.
Yes the excess deaths were taken into account - the startling >>>>>>>>>>>>>reality
for the rest of the world was that for a considerable period, those
excess deaths were _negative_ - in other words we experienced lower
deaths due to fewer Covid deaths than other countries, but the >>>>>>>>>>>>>precautions also reducing deaths from other causes such as road >>>>>>>>>>>>>accidents and influenza. But you are correct there are a number of
other achievements that could have also been highlighted. >>>>>>>>>>>>Keep peddling your lies. They will haunt you one day. Oh, and my >>>>>>>>>>>>spelling
correct, just teaching you some good gerund form.
There were no lies in what I said - so I have not peddled any lies - >>>>>>>>>>>making your statement a lie . . .,
help.
Prince William is doing nothing of the sort - it is from thee NZ >>>>>>>>government
and
the Prince is doing as requested.
The King simply honours that decision. You are twisting stuff again. >>>>>Delegated in this case to Prince William - do catch up Tony!
No twisting at all - were you not aware that most Awards are presented >>>>>by the Governor General?
So you are just wasting your life with trivia now are you Tony - what >>>>>made you change your mind? You appear to be implying that you have >>>>>received a civic award . . . which one?And clearly you are biased. I have no sour grapes, my rewards are already >>>>>>in
Ardern was the worst PM we have ever had and history will show that. >>>>>>>Oh dear - sour grapes from one who is unlikely to ever receive any >>>>>>>civil award - and a view clearly not shared by most New Zealanders or >>>>>>>those outside New Zealand, including our government and the Royal >>>>>>>Family.
place. I, unlike you, have not wasted my life on trivia.
Rich, how on earth can you be confused between rewards (as Tony >>>>referenced) and awards (civic or otherwise)? Ok I get it - just >>>>another example of your habitual verbal gymnastics.
No, Tony introduced the word reward in a discussion about one
particular Award; I was merely asking if it was relevant to the >>>discussion and he has not responded - what do you think he meant,
Crash?
I wrote "I am implying nothing, you are twisting stuff again. Get a life >>little
boy.
Trivia is your life not mine."
Why are you such a childish liar? Sociopathy, stupidity or just plain >>nastiness?
Your lack of comprehension comes to the fore yet again, Tony. I was >responding to a specific comment addressed to me from Crash - but
while your post was typically nasty, I am glad that you now accept you
were wrong to berate posters for responding to the group rather than
to specific individuals.
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