• Re: Simon Wilson on Wayne Brown and Tory Whanau

    From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Oct 25 21:56:41 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    In @nzherald (22Oct) Simon Wilson described the tactics of Tory
    Whanau’s opponents as suicide bombing: destroying their own budget and >possibly the council itself to get the govt to move against her. Govt
    has just announced it will appoint an observer.

    See :Simon Wilson: "What's the difference between Wayne Brown and Tory >Whanau?"in The Herald (behind a paywall of course as it is critical of
    the Government!)

    Wellington did have a history of conservative (National Party-led)
    Councils who had a consistent chant of keeping rates low. That led to >underspending on water pipes around the city, with photographs of
    leaks throwing water above house height in Aro Valley and elsewhere.
    Recent Councils have been Green / Labour majorities, and they have put
    huge amounts of money into fixing local pipes - some were still
    brick-lined! But the National party is still there in a vocal
    minority; and they thought that they could force Tory Whanau out in
    favour of one of their own.

    So two Councillors were persuaded to reverse their vote on the sale of >Airport shares. Not a problem really; however the shareholding has
    been very good in returning about 11% to the Council and they can
    borrow more at a lower rate - so why not keep the shares? Unlike other >Councils around New Zealand, Wellington Council has an AA credit
    rating, and room to move within prudent borrowing levels - with a
    possible sale of airport shares if money gets too tight. But there are
    plenty around that know that a sell-off of state or Council -owned
    assets is a good way to get wealthy - even better than being a
    landlord! But power is far more important; hence the turn-around -
    they can always do the sell-off under a Nat-led Council if they can
    get that . . .

    So there are no answers to why an Observer is being appointed - its
    not clear who will pay for that, but it is ideal for a recently
    retired Nat politician - will they get Andrew Bayly to ''retire'' and
    take up an appointment?

    Meanwhile there are Councils without assets they can sell, who are up
    against borrowing limits and face higher rates increases than
    Wellington due to government decisions - can the appointment distract
    voters from the real depth of the government over-reach into local >government?
    Anybody who believes either of those mayoral clowns could run a village fete coconut shy is deluded. They need to go, especially the wellington laughing stock.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 26 10:35:09 2024
    In @nzherald (22Oct) Simon Wilson described the tactics of Tory
    Whanau’s opponents as suicide bombing: destroying their own budget and
    possibly the council itself to get the govt to move against her. Govt
    has just announced it will appoint an observer.

    See :Simon Wilson: "What's the difference between Wayne Brown and Tory Whanau?"in The Herald (behind a paywall of course as it is critical of
    the Government!)

    Wellington did have a history of conservative (National Party-led)
    Councils who had a consistent chant of keeping rates low. That led to underspending on water pipes around the city, with photographs of
    leaks throwing water above house height in Aro Valley and elsewhere.
    Recent Councils have been Green / Labour majorities, and they have put
    huge amounts of money into fixing local pipes - some were still
    brick-lined! But the National party is still there in a vocal
    minority; and they thought that they could force Tory Whanau out in
    favour of one of their own.

    So two Councillors were persuaded to reverse their vote on the sale of
    Airport shares. Not a problem really; however the shareholding has
    been very good in returning about 11% to the Council and they can
    borrow more at a lower rate - so why not keep the shares? Unlike other
    Councils around New Zealand, Wellington Council has an AA credit
    rating, and room to move within prudent borrowing levels - with a
    possible sale of airport shares if money gets too tight. But there are
    plenty around that know that a sell-off of state or Council -owned
    assets is a good way to get wealthy - even better than being a
    landlord! But power is far more important; hence the turn-around -
    they can always do the sell-off under a Nat-led Council if they can
    get that . . .

    So there are no answers to why an Observer is being appointed - its
    not clear who will pay for that, but it is ideal for a recently
    retired Nat politician - will they get Andrew Bayly to ''retire'' and
    take up an appointment?

    Meanwhile there are Councils without assets they can sell, who are up
    against borrowing limits and face higher rates increases than
    Wellington due to government decisions - can the appointment distract
    voters from the real depth of the government over-reach into local
    government?

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat Oct 26 01:47:05 2024
    On 2024-10-25, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    In @nzherald (22Oct) Simon Wilson described the tactics of Tory
    WhanauÂ’s opponents as suicide bombing: destroying their own budget and possibly the council itself to get the govt to move against her. Govt
    has just announced it will appoint an observer.

    See :Simon Wilson: "What's the difference between Wayne Brown and Tory Whanau?"in The Herald (behind a paywall of course as it is critical of
    the Government!)

    That is waht the Forth Estate is supposed to do. Hold the Governmrnt to account.


    Wellington did have a history of conservative (National Party-led)
    Councils who had a consistent chant of keeping rates low. That led to underspending on water pipes around the city, with photographs of
    leaks throwing water above house height in Aro Valley and elsewhere.

    That was democracy in action. The people voted for the Council.



    Recent Councils have been Green / Labour majorities, and they have put
    huge amounts of money into fixing local pipes - some were still
    brick-lined!

    But were they fit for purpose?


    But the National party is still there in a vocal
    minority; and they thought that they could force Tory Whanau out in
    favour of one of their own.

    So two Councillors were persuaded to reverse their vote on the sale of Airport shares. Not a problem really; however the shareholding has
    been very good in returning about 11% to the Council and they can
    borrow more at a lower rate - so why not keep the shares? Unlike other Councils around New Zealand, Wellington Council has an AA credit
    rating, and room to move within prudent borrowing levels - with a
    possible sale of airport shares if money gets too tight. But there are
    plenty around that know that a sell-off of state or Council -owned
    assets is a good way to get wealthy - even better than being a
    landlord! But power is far more important; hence the turn-around -
    they can always do the sell-off under a Nat-led Council if they can
    get that . . .

    So there are no answers to why an Observer is being appointed - its
    not clear who will pay for that, but it is ideal for a recently
    retired Nat politician - will they get Andrew Bayly to ''retire'' and
    take up an appointment?

    Meanwhile there are Councils without assets they can sell, who are up
    against borrowing limits and face higher rates increases than
    Wellington due to government decisions - can the appointment distract
    voters from the real depth of the government over-reach into local government?




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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Sat Oct 26 14:59:18 2024
    On 26 Oct 2024 01:47:05 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2024-10-25, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    In @nzherald (22Oct) Simon Wilson described the tactics of Tory
    Whanau?s opponents as suicide bombing: destroying their own budget and
    possibly the council itself to get the govt to move against her. Govt
    has just announced it will appoint an observer.

    See :Simon Wilson: "What's the difference between Wayne Brown and Tory
    Whanau?"in The Herald (behind a paywall of course as it is critical of
    the Government!)

    That is waht the Forth Estate is supposed to do. Hold the Governmrnt to >account.


    Wellington did have a history of conservative (National Party-led)
    Councils who had a consistent chant of keeping rates low. That led to
    underspending on water pipes around the city, with photographs of
    leaks throwing water above house height in Aro Valley and elsewhere.

    That was democracy in action. The people voted for the Council.
    Indeed - at the last Council election there were still some right wing candidates talking about keeping rates low . . .

    Recent Councils have been Green / Labour majorities, and they have put
    huge amounts of money into fixing local pipes - some were still
    brick-lined!

    But were they fit for purpose?
    No, and that is why the Wellington City Council has been spending huge
    amounts getting them replaced. There were pipes down Willis St quite a
    few months ago, and more recently large pipes were installed down
    Taranaki St.


    But the National party is still there in a vocal
    minority; and they thought that they could force Tory Whanau out in
    favour of one of their own.

    So two Councillors were persuaded to reverse their vote on the sale of
    Airport shares. Not a problem really; however the shareholding has
    been very good in returning about 11% to the Council and they can
    borrow more at a lower rate - so why not keep the shares? Unlike other
    Councils around New Zealand, Wellington Council has an AA credit
    rating, and room to move within prudent borrowing levels - with a
    possible sale of airport shares if money gets too tight. But there are
    plenty around that know that a sell-off of state or Council -owned
    assets is a good way to get wealthy - even better than being a
    landlord! But power is far more important; hence the turn-around -
    they can always do the sell-off under a Nat-led Council if they can
    get that . . .

    So there are no answers to why an Observer is being appointed - its
    not clear who will pay for that, but it is ideal for a recently
    retired Nat politician - will they get Andrew Bayly to ''retire'' and
    take up an appointment?

    Meanwhile there are Councils without assets they can sell, who are up
    against borrowing limits and face higher rates increases than
    Wellington due to government decisions - can the appointment distract
    voters from the real depth of the government over-reach into local
    government?

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