This article is straggering and amazing.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/532064/we-can-t-wish-it-away-epidemiologist-warns-summer-wave-of-covid-19-approaching
This article is straggering and amazing.
Deaths up to 35/week maybe. Range of 5 to 35 per week.
This article ropes in all the possible "fear facts" without giving context.
Mind you the word anti-virals is used in a positive context.
The pandemic has ended in May 2023, 18 months ago, but still the sky might >fall down even after the summer Covid cycle of 23-24.
On 27 Oct 2024 22:33:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:People like you, who are stupid enough to believe whatever a Labour government says and not believe a word that a National government says - purely out of obedience to dogma will never inherit the earth.The rest of us who are open minded will.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/532064/we-can-t-wish-it-away-epidemiologist-warns-summer-wave-of-covid-19-approaching
This article is straggering and amazing.
Deaths up to 35/week maybe. Range of 5 to 35 per week.
This article ropes in all the possible "fear facts" without giving context. >>
Mind you the word anti-virals is used in a positive context.
The pandemic has ended in May 2023, 18 months ago, but still the sky might >>fall down even after the summer Covid cycle of 23-24.
It does appear to be endemic as a similar level to traffic accidents,
but new variants have the potential to be a return to a pandemic if
vaccines do not cover the new variant - and especially if too many are
stupid enough not to keep up vaccination - it does have the potential
to kill off those who are that stupid . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Oct 2024 22:33:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:People like you, who are stupid enough to believe whatever a Labour government >says and not believe a word that a National government says - purely out of >obedience to dogma will never inherit the earth.The rest of us who are open >minded will.
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/532064/we-can-t-wish-it-away-epidemiologist-warns-summer-wave-of-covid-19-approaching
This article is straggering and amazing.
Deaths up to 35/week maybe. Range of 5 to 35 per week.
This article ropes in all the possible "fear facts" without giving context. >>>
Mind you the word anti-virals is used in a positive context.
The pandemic has ended in May 2023, 18 months ago, but still the sky might >>>fall down even after the summer Covid cycle of 23-24.
It does appear to be endemic as a similar level to traffic accidents,
but new variants have the potential to be a return to a pandemic if >>vaccines do not cover the new variant - and especially if too many are >>stupid enough not to keep up vaccination - it does have the potential
to kill off those who are that stupid . . .
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 02:28:49 -0000 (UTC), TonyDo you seriously believe it is that simple? Yes you do, simple people like simple ideas.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Oct 2024 22:33:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:People like you, who are stupid enough to believe whatever a Labour >>government
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/532064/we-can-t-wish-it-away-epidemiologist-warns-summer-wave-of-covid-19-approaching
This article is straggering and amazing.
Deaths up to 35/week maybe. Range of 5 to 35 per week.
This article ropes in all the possible "fear facts" without giving context. >>>>
Mind you the word anti-virals is used in a positive context.
The pandemic has ended in May 2023, 18 months ago, but still the sky might >>>>fall down even after the summer Covid cycle of 23-24.
It does appear to be endemic as a similar level to traffic accidents,
but new variants have the potential to be a return to a pandemic if >>>vaccines do not cover the new variant - and especially if too many are >>>stupid enough not to keep up vaccination - it does have the potential
to kill off those who are that stupid . . .
says and not believe a word that a National government says - purely out of >>obedience to dogma will never inherit the earth.The rest of us who are open >>minded will.
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with what both
Labour and National have done in following the advice of Michael Baker
and other health professionals in continuing to encourage New
Zealanders to keep up to date with vaccinations? They know that all
cases of Covid that could be avoided save money and lives and hospital >resources.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 02:28:49 -0000 (UTC), TonyDo you seriously believe it is that simple? Yes you do, simple people like >simple ideas.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Oct 2024 22:33:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:People like you, who are stupid enough to believe whatever a Labour >>>government
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/532064/we-can-t-wish-it-away-epidemiologist-warns-summer-wave-of-covid-19-approaching
This article is straggering and amazing.
Deaths up to 35/week maybe. Range of 5 to 35 per week.
This article ropes in all the possible "fear facts" without giving context.
Mind you the word anti-virals is used in a positive context.
The pandemic has ended in May 2023, 18 months ago, but still the sky might >>>>>fall down even after the summer Covid cycle of 23-24.
It does appear to be endemic as a similar level to traffic accidents, >>>>but new variants have the potential to be a return to a pandemic if >>>>vaccines do not cover the new variant - and especially if too many are >>>>stupid enough not to keep up vaccination - it does have the potential >>>>to kill off those who are that stupid . . .
says and not believe a word that a National government says - purely out of >>>obedience to dogma will never inherit the earth.The rest of us who are open >>>minded will.
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with what both
Labour and National have done in following the advice of Michael Baker
and other health professionals in continuing to encourage New
Zealanders to keep up to date with vaccinations? They know that all
cases of Covid that could be avoided save money and lives and hospital >>resources.
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 08:18:52 -0000 (UTC), TonyTake your off topic and assinine questions and put them wherever you keep your worst ideas.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 02:28:49 -0000 (UTC), TonyDo you seriously believe it is that simple? Yes you do, simple people like >>simple ideas.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Oct 2024 22:33:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:People like you, who are stupid enough to believe whatever a Labour >>>>government
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/532064/we-can-t-wish-it-away-epidemiologist-warns-summer-wave-of-covid-19-approaching
This article is straggering and amazing.
Deaths up to 35/week maybe. Range of 5 to 35 per week.
This article ropes in all the possible "fear facts" without giving >>>>>>context.
Mind you the word anti-virals is used in a positive context.
The pandemic has ended in May 2023, 18 months ago, but still the sky might
fall down even after the summer Covid cycle of 23-24.
It does appear to be endemic as a similar level to traffic accidents, >>>>>but new variants have the potential to be a return to a pandemic if >>>>>vaccines do not cover the new variant - and especially if too many are >>>>>stupid enough not to keep up vaccination - it does have the potential >>>>>to kill off those who are that stupid . . .
says and not believe a word that a National government says - purely out of >>>>obedience to dogma will never inherit the earth.The rest of us who are open >>>>minded will.
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with what both
Labour and National have done in following the advice of Michael Baker >>>and other health professionals in continuing to encourage New
Zealanders to keep up to date with vaccinations? They know that all
cases of Covid that could be avoided save money and lives and hospital >>>resources.
The New Zealand response to Covid was always far from simple, but what
is simple is the observation that yet again you are unable (or more
likely unwilling) to answer a simple question. Here it is again:
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with what both
Labour and National have done in following the advice of Michael Baker
and other health professionals in continuing to encourage New
Zealanders to keep up to date with vaccinations?
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with what both
Labour and National have done in following the advice of Michael Baker
and other health professionals in continuing to encourage New
Zealanders to keep up to date with vaccinations?
On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 10:54:23 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with what both
Labour and National have done in following the advice of Michael Baker
and other health professionals in continuing to encourage New
Zealanders to keep up to date with vaccinations?
Why is that even relavant?
You put far too much importance on what politicians say and not enough
on what the people say.
Bill.
On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 17:18:51 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:No your question is not relevant. It is political rhetoric.
On Tue, 29 Oct 2024 10:54:23 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with what both
Labour and National have done in following the advice of Michael Baker >>>and other health professionals in continuing to encourage New
Zealanders to keep up to date with vaccinations?
Why is that even relavant?
You put far too much importance on what politicians say and not enough
on what the people say.
Bill.
What the people say may well be reflected in what most politicians
say, but in the event of another wave of Covid pandemic, it is what
the politicians say that will determine what actions are taken to
increase vaccination, restrict international travel, etc. The
majority of New Zealanders ere undoubtedly in favour of saving lives
and also saving jobs that was organised in the initial pandemic - we
had lower deaths and a faster economic recovery than the rest of the
world - but subsequent travel / supply issues did eventually result in >problems with international trade.
I was making the point that, by and large, the Labour, National, Green
Party and Te Pati Maori are probably happy to continue to follow the
advice of health experts, including that of Michael Baker, but the
skilful propaganda of a small number of well-financed organisations
has meant that publicly, the issue is avoided by many in the current >government, where National has less influence than it would like.
So attitudes of the people influence politics, and politics in turn >influence the attitudes of individuals.
So my question is relevant, and the reaction of posters to nz.general
trying to avoid the question is also interesting . . .
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 08:18:52 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 02:28:49 -0000 (UTC), TonyDo you seriously believe it is that simple? Yes you do, simple people like >>simple ideas.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Oct 2024 22:33:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:People like you, who are stupid enough to believe whatever a Labour >>>>government
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/532064/we-can-t-wish-it-away-epidemiologist-warns-summer-wave-of-covid-19-approaching
This article is straggering and amazing.
Deaths up to 35/week maybe. Range of 5 to 35 per week.
This article ropes in all the possible "fear facts" without giving context.
Mind you the word anti-virals is used in a positive context.
The pandemic has ended in May 2023, 18 months ago, but still the sky might
fall down even after the summer Covid cycle of 23-24.
It does appear to be endemic as a similar level to traffic accidents, >>>>>but new variants have the potential to be a return to a pandemic if >>>>>vaccines do not cover the new variant - and especially if too many are >>>>>stupid enough not to keep up vaccination - it does have the potential >>>>>to kill off those who are that stupid . . .
says and not believe a word that a National government says - purely out of >>>>obedience to dogma will never inherit the earth.The rest of us who are open >>>>minded will.
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with what both
Labour and National have done in following the advice of Michael Baker >>>and other health professionals in continuing to encourage New
Zealanders to keep up to date with vaccinations? They know that all
cases of Covid that could be avoided save money and lives and hospital >>>resources.
The New Zealand response to Covid was always far from simple, but what
is simple is the observation that yet again you are unable (or more
likely unwilling) to answer a simple question. Here it is again:
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with what both
Labour and National have done in following the advice of Michael Baker
and other health professionals in continuing to encourage New
Zealanders to keep up to date with vaccinations?
On 2024-10-28, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You are correct, but it hugely reduced the likelihood of either or
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 08:18:52 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 02:28:49 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Do you seriously believe it is that simple? Yes you do, simple people like >>>simple ideas.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Oct 2024 22:33:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:People like you, who are stupid enough to believe whatever a Labour >>>>>government
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/532064/we-can-t-wish-it-away-epidemiologist-warns-summer-wave-of-covid-19-approaching
This article is straggering and amazing.
Deaths up to 35/week maybe. Range of 5 to 35 per week.
This article ropes in all the possible "fear facts" without giving context.
Mind you the word anti-virals is used in a positive context.
The pandemic has ended in May 2023, 18 months ago, but still the sky might
fall down even after the summer Covid cycle of 23-24.
It does appear to be endemic as a similar level to traffic accidents, >>>>>>but new variants have the potential to be a return to a pandemic if >>>>>>vaccines do not cover the new variant - and especially if too many are >>>>>>stupid enough not to keep up vaccination - it does have the potential >>>>>>to kill off those who are that stupid . . .
says and not believe a word that a National government says - purely out of
obedience to dogma will never inherit the earth.The rest of us who are open
minded will.
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with what both >>>>Labour and National have done in following the advice of Michael Baker >>>>and other health professionals in continuing to encourage New >>>>Zealanders to keep up to date with vaccinations? They know that all >>>>cases of Covid that could be avoided save money and lives and hospital >>>>resources.
The New Zealand response to Covid was always far from simple, but what
is simple is the observation that yet again you are unable (or more
likely unwilling) to answer a simple question. Here it is again:
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with what both
Labour and National have done in following the advice of Michael Baker
and other health professionals in continuing to encourage New
Zealanders to keep up to date with vaccinations?
Nevermind that the vacination did not stop one fron getting infeceted or >passing it on.
Michael Baker was/is a modelling man, and some of his figures sure as hell >where in the ball parl, along with some others.He still does specialise in modeling; he bases his work on real data -
You may wish to check in with DR. PHIL MACDONALD & MAREE BUSCKE >https://realitycheck.radio/replay/dr-phil-macdonald-maree-buscke-former-ophthalmologist-rcr-host-phils-recent-conviction-after-he-declined-the-covid-injections/
Or you could just think back as to what the Labour Government covid
narrative was.
On 30 Oct 2024 06:50:48 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:So you say but with no evidence.
On 2024-10-28, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You are correct, but it hugely reduced the likelihood of either or
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 08:18:52 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 02:28:49 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Do you seriously believe it is that simple? Yes you do, simple people like >>>>simple ideas.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Oct 2024 22:33:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:People like you, who are stupid enough to believe whatever a Labour >>>>>>government
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/532064/we-can-t-wish-it-away-epidemiologist-warns-summer-wave-of-covid-19-approaching
This article is straggering and amazing.
Deaths up to 35/week maybe. Range of 5 to 35 per week.
This article ropes in all the possible "fear facts" without giving >>>>>>>>context.
Mind you the word anti-virals is used in a positive context.
The pandemic has ended in May 2023, 18 months ago, but still the sky >>>>>>>>might
fall down even after the summer Covid cycle of 23-24.
It does appear to be endemic as a similar level to traffic accidents, >>>>>>>but new variants have the potential to be a return to a pandemic if >>>>>>>vaccines do not cover the new variant - and especially if too many are >>>>>>>stupid enough not to keep up vaccination - it does have the potential >>>>>>>to kill off those who are that stupid . . .
says and not believe a word that a National government says - purely out >>>>>>of
obedience to dogma will never inherit the earth.The rest of us who are >>>>>>open
minded will.
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with what both >>>>>Labour and National have done in following the advice of Michael Baker >>>>>and other health professionals in continuing to encourage New >>>>>Zealanders to keep up to date with vaccinations? They know that all >>>>>cases of Covid that could be avoided save money and lives and hospital >>>>>resources.
The New Zealand response to Covid was always far from simple, but what
is simple is the observation that yet again you are unable (or more
likely unwilling) to answer a simple question. Here it is again:
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with what both
Labour and National have done in following the advice of Michael Baker
and other health professionals in continuing to encourage New
Zealanders to keep up to date with vaccinations?
Nevermind that the vacination did not stop one fron getting infeceted or >>passing it on.
both.
Those that did not get vaccinated were much more likely to catch the >infection, and were subsequently more likely to get re-infected and >potentially suffer from ''long covid''.So you say but with no evidence.
So? So did many others that came up with differnet answres.Michael Baker was/is a modelling man, and some of his figures sure as hell >>where in the ball parl, along with some others.He still does specialise in modeling; he bases his work on real data -
and in modeling what has happened, and testing predictions against
what actually happens next, he and others have been able to develop
quite useful models to assist planning for increased cases, the likely
effect of new variants, and such things as how many will need hospital >treatment.
Off topic. You can't help it can you?
You may wish to check in with DR. PHIL MACDONALD & MAREE BUSCKE >>https://realitycheck.radio/replay/dr-phil-macdonald-maree-buscke-former-ophthalmologist-rcr-host-phils-recent-conviction-after-he-declined-the-covid-injections/
I did listen to about 5 minutes of it - from that small extract it
does appear that due process and the law was followed, but the signals
were there that this was intended to outrage and appeal to some that
object to a profession and the law requiring medical professionals to
adhere to particular standards. It is not clear when all of that
happened, but it is a recent interview, which suggests that the
current government takes much the same views on the issues that gave
rise to the case as previous governments, and that a prosecution would
be likely in the same circumstances as this case if the same actions
taken by these people were to be done by someone else now.
Thanks for your support for my view that, despite pretending to beOff topic. You can't help it can you?
more sympathetic to people with strange beliefs, the change in
government has not really made much difference on issues that affect >professional integrity and the lives of New Zealanders. Quite
comforting really, don't you think?
Or you could just think back as to what the Labour Government covid >>narrative was.
On 30 Oct 2024 06:50:48 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-10-28, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You are correct, but it hugely reduced the likelihood of either or
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 08:18:52 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 02:28:49 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Do you seriously believe it is that simple? Yes you do, simple people like >>>>simple ideas.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Oct 2024 22:33:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:People like you, who are stupid enough to believe whatever a Labour >>>>>>government
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/532064/we-can-t-wish-it-away-epidemiologist-warns-summer-wave-of-covid-19-approaching
This article is straggering and amazing.
Deaths up to 35/week maybe. Range of 5 to 35 per week.
This article ropes in all the possible "fear facts" without giving context.
Mind you the word anti-virals is used in a positive context.
The pandemic has ended in May 2023, 18 months ago, but still the sky might
fall down even after the summer Covid cycle of 23-24.
It does appear to be endemic as a similar level to traffic accidents, >>>>>>>but new variants have the potential to be a return to a pandemic if >>>>>>>vaccines do not cover the new variant - and especially if too many are >>>>>>>stupid enough not to keep up vaccination - it does have the potential >>>>>>>to kill off those who are that stupid . . .
says and not believe a word that a National government says - purely out of
obedience to dogma will never inherit the earth.The rest of us who are open
minded will.
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with what both >>>>>Labour and National have done in following the advice of Michael Baker >>>>>and other health professionals in continuing to encourage New >>>>>Zealanders to keep up to date with vaccinations? They know that all >>>>>cases of Covid that could be avoided save money and lives and hospital >>>>>resources.
The New Zealand response to Covid was always far from simple, but what
is simple is the observation that yet again you are unable (or more
likely unwilling) to answer a simple question. Here it is again:
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with what both
Labour and National have done in following the advice of Michael Baker
and other health professionals in continuing to encourage New
Zealanders to keep up to date with vaccinations?
Nevermind that the vacination did not stop one fron getting infeceted or >>passing it on.
both.
On 2024-10-28, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with ...
Or you could just think back ...
On 30 Oct 2024 06:50:48 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-10-28, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with ...
Or you could just think back ...
Dickbot does not "think", he only posts Leftie talking points.
On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 19:58:35 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:You reap what you sow, nothing more and nothing less.
On 30 Oct 2024 06:50:48 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Like praising the National Party for continuing with previous
On 2024-10-28, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with ...
Or you could just think back ...
Dickbot does not "think", he only posts Leftie talking points.
government policies regarding Covid? I guess to some National is just
another "Leftie" political party . . .
I guess to some National is just another "Leftie" political party . . .
On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 20:12:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>I hadn't heard that - do you have a reference to the accusation, and
wrote:
On 30 Oct 2024 06:50:48 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-10-28, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You are correct, but it hugely reduced the likelihood of either or
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 08:18:52 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 02:28:49 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Do you seriously believe it is that simple? Yes you do, simple people like >>>>>simple ideas.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Oct 2024 22:33:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/532064/we-can-t-wish-it-away-epidemiologist-warns-summer-wave-of-covid-19-approachingPeople like you, who are stupid enough to believe whatever a Labour >>>>>>>government
This article is straggering and amazing.
Deaths up to 35/week maybe. Range of 5 to 35 per week.
This article ropes in all the possible "fear facts" without giving context.
Mind you the word anti-virals is used in a positive context.
The pandemic has ended in May 2023, 18 months ago, but still the sky might
fall down even after the summer Covid cycle of 23-24.
It does appear to be endemic as a similar level to traffic accidents, >>>>>>>>but new variants have the potential to be a return to a pandemic if >>>>>>>>vaccines do not cover the new variant - and especially if too many are >>>>>>>>stupid enough not to keep up vaccination - it does have the potential >>>>>>>>to kill off those who are that stupid . . .
says and not believe a word that a National government says - purely out of
obedience to dogma will never inherit the earth.The rest of us who are open
minded will.
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with what both >>>>>>Labour and National have done in following the advice of Michael Baker >>>>>>and other health professionals in continuing to encourage New >>>>>>Zealanders to keep up to date with vaccinations? They know that all >>>>>>cases of Covid that could be avoided save money and lives and hospital >>>>>>resources.
The New Zealand response to Covid was always far from simple, but what >>>> is simple is the observation that yet again you are unable (or more
likely unwilling) to answer a simple question. Here it is again:
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with what both
Labour and National have done in following the advice of Michael Baker >>>> and other health professionals in continuing to encourage New
Zealanders to keep up to date with vaccinations?
Nevermind that the vacination did not stop one fron getting infeceted or >>>passing it on.
both.
You keep saying that but you don't know that. There was no clear
definition of a "covid death". You only believe it because it is what
you have been told. When the government wanted the problem to appear
bad so they could justify their grotesque lockdowns, somebody who died
of a gunshot wound was included in the covid death statistics when
covid was found during the autopsy.
Now you're telling everybody thatNot specifically - the whole Covid response saved lives - starting
the lockdowns saved lives.
If it is your assertion that the intent of the previous government wasWhat can be prescribed is subject to standard procedures and testing -
to reduce covid deaths, why were doctors forbidden to prescribe
generic drugs like ivermectin and hydrochloroquine?
Could that haveI would not have thought so - New Zealand went on to purchase Covid
been part the sale & purchase agreement the Ardern government signed
with Pfizer?
It is all very smelly.I suspect you are correct; these were suggested at around the time the
Bill.
On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 05:11:34 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 20:12:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:I hadn't heard that - do you have a reference to the accusation, and
On 30 Oct 2024 06:50:48 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-10-28, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You are correct, but it hugely reduced the likelihood of either or
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 08:18:52 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 02:28:49 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Do you seriously believe it is that simple? Yes you do, simple people like
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Oct 2024 22:33:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/532064/we-can-t-wish-it-away-epidemiologist-warns-summer-wave-of-covid-19-approachingPeople like you, who are stupid enough to believe whatever a Labour >>>>>>>>government
This article is straggering and amazing.
Deaths up to 35/week maybe. Range of 5 to 35 per week.
This article ropes in all the possible "fear facts" without giving context.
Mind you the word anti-virals is used in a positive context. >>>>>>>>>>
The pandemic has ended in May 2023, 18 months ago, but still the sky might
fall down even after the summer Covid cycle of 23-24.
It does appear to be endemic as a similar level to traffic accidents, >>>>>>>>>but new variants have the potential to be a return to a pandemic if >>>>>>>>>vaccines do not cover the new variant - and especially if too many are >>>>>>>>>stupid enough not to keep up vaccination - it does have the potential >>>>>>>>>to kill off those who are that stupid . . .
says and not believe a word that a National government says - purely out of
obedience to dogma will never inherit the earth.The rest of us who are open
minded will.
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with what both >>>>>>>Labour and National have done in following the advice of Michael Baker >>>>>>>and other health professionals in continuing to encourage New >>>>>>>Zealanders to keep up to date with vaccinations? They know that all >>>>>>>cases of Covid that could be avoided save money and lives and hospital >>>>>>>resources.
simple ideas.
The New Zealand response to Covid was always far from simple, but what >>>>> is simple is the observation that yet again you are unable (or more
likely unwilling) to answer a simple question. Here it is again:
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with what both
Labour and National have done in following the advice of Michael Baker >>>>> and other health professionals in continuing to encourage New
Zealanders to keep up to date with vaccinations?
Nevermind that the vacination did not stop one fron getting infeceted or >>>>passing it on.
both.
You keep saying that but you don't know that. There was no clear
definition of a "covid death". You only believe it because it is what
you have been told. When the government wanted the problem to appear
bad so they could justify their grotesque lockdowns, somebody who died
of a gunshot wound was included in the covid death statistics when
covid was found during the autopsy.
what the government of the day said about it?
Now you're telling everybody thatNot specifically - the whole Covid response saved lives - starting
the lockdowns saved lives.
with restrictions on people entering New Zealand, the lock downs, and
in particular restricting visitors to aged care facilities and
hospitals, isolation of Covid patients, masks and distancing, and
tracking of covid contacts. Yes lockdowns were a significant part of
that complex response, but we cannot say what percentage of the lives
saved resulted from any one part.
What can be prescribed is subject to standard procedures and testing -
If it is your assertion that the intent of the previous government was
to reduce covid deaths, why were doctors forbidden to prescribe
generic drugs like ivermectin and hydrochloroquine?
there was not reason to drop those procedures and tests; but the use
of unusual drugs did occur in some countries, and we benefited from
medical research there - from memory ivermectin and hydrochloroquine
were tested in the USA and found to be either useless in limiting
Covid infection, or potentially harmful - do you know of any country
that approved them for use in Covid prevention or cure?
Could that haveI would not have thought so - New Zealand went on to purchase Covid
been part the sale & purchase agreement the Ardern government signed
with Pfizer?
vaccines from a number of suppliers, but as far as I am aware
ivermectin and hydrochloroquine were discredited before any purchase
by the state was suggested. I understand they are used for other
purposes however - did you try either of them, BR?
It is all very smelly.I suspect you are correct; these were suggested at around the time the
NZ Taxpayer Union was assisting organise the dangerous protests at
parliament - perhaps that was an Atlas Network smell you have
identified.
Bill.
On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 05:11:34 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 20:12:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:I hadn't heard that - do you have a reference to the accusation, and
On 30 Oct 2024 06:50:48 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-10-28, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You are correct, but it hugely reduced the likelihood of either or
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 08:18:52 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 02:28:49 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Do you seriously believe it is that simple? Yes you do, simple people >>>>>>like
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Oct 2024 22:33:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/532064/we-can-t-wish-it-away-epidemiologist-warns-summer-wave-of-covid-19-approachingPeople like you, who are stupid enough to believe whatever a Labour >>>>>>>>government
This article is straggering and amazing.
Deaths up to 35/week maybe. Range of 5 to 35 per week.
This article ropes in all the possible "fear facts" without giving >>>>>>>>>>context.
Mind you the word anti-virals is used in a positive context. >>>>>>>>>>
The pandemic has ended in May 2023, 18 months ago, but still the sky >>>>>>>>>>might
fall down even after the summer Covid cycle of 23-24.
It does appear to be endemic as a similar level to traffic accidents, >>>>>>>>>but new variants have the potential to be a return to a pandemic if >>>>>>>>>vaccines do not cover the new variant - and especially if too many are >>>>>>>>>stupid enough not to keep up vaccination - it does have the potential >>>>>>>>>to kill off those who are that stupid . . .
says and not believe a word that a National government says - purely >>>>>>>>out of
obedience to dogma will never inherit the earth.The rest of us who are >>>>>>>>open
minded will.
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with what both >>>>>>>Labour and National have done in following the advice of Michael Baker >>>>>>>and other health professionals in continuing to encourage New >>>>>>>Zealanders to keep up to date with vaccinations? They know that all >>>>>>>cases of Covid that could be avoided save money and lives and hospital >>>>>>>resources.
simple ideas.
The New Zealand response to Covid was always far from simple, but what >>>>> is simple is the observation that yet again you are unable (or more
likely unwilling) to answer a simple question. Here it is again:
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with what both
Labour and National have done in following the advice of Michael Baker >>>>> and other health professionals in continuing to encourage New
Zealanders to keep up to date with vaccinations?
Nevermind that the vacination did not stop one fron getting infeceted or >>>>passing it on.
both.
You keep saying that but you don't know that. There was no clear
definition of a "covid death". You only believe it because it is what
you have been told. When the government wanted the problem to appear
bad so they could justify their grotesque lockdowns, somebody who died
of a gunshot wound was included in the covid death statistics when
covid was found during the autopsy.
what the government of the day said about it?
You don't know that. It is what your masters told you to believe and therefore you believe it.Now you're telling everybody thatNot specifically - the whole Covid response saved lives
the lockdowns saved lives.
- starting
with restrictions on people entering New Zealand, the lock downs, and
in particular restricting visitors to aged care facilities and
hospitals, isolation of Covid patients, masks and distancing, and
tracking of covid contacts. Yes lockdowns were a significant part of
that complex response, but we cannot say what percentage of the lives
saved resulted from any one part.
What can be prescribed is subject to standard procedures and testing -
If it is your assertion that the intent of the previous government was
to reduce covid deaths, why were doctors forbidden to prescribe
generic drugs like ivermectin and hydrochloroquine?
there was not reason to drop those procedures and tests; but the use
of unusual drugs did occur in some countries, and we benefited from
medical research there - from memory ivermectin and hydrochloroquine
were tested in the USA and found to be either useless in limiting
Covid infection, or potentially harmful - do you know of any country
that approved them for use in Covid prevention or cure?
Could that haveI would not have thought so - New Zealand went on to purchase Covid
been part the sale & purchase agreement the Ardern government signed
with Pfizer?
vaccines from a number of suppliers, but as far as I am aware
ivermectin and hydrochloroquine were discredited before any purchase
by the state was suggested. I understand they are used for other
purposes however - did you try either of them, BR?
It is all very smelly.I suspect you are correct; these were suggested at around the time the
NZ Taxpayer Union was assisting organise the dangerous protests at
parliament - perhaps that was an Atlas Network smell you have
identified.
Bill.
On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 21:38:14 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>Dying of a gunshot would has never been a common observation in New
wrote:
On Thu, 31 Oct 2024 05:11:34 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:It was a common observation of the time.
On Wed, 30 Oct 2024 20:12:16 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:I hadn't heard that - do you have a reference to the accusation, and
On 30 Oct 2024 06:50:48 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2024-10-28, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You are correct, but it hugely reduced the likelihood of either or >>>>both.
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 08:18:52 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 28 Oct 2024 02:28:49 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Do you seriously believe it is that simple? Yes you do, simple people like
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 27 Oct 2024 22:33:22 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/532064/we-can-t-wish-it-away-epidemiologist-warns-summer-wave-of-covid-19-approachingPeople like you, who are stupid enough to believe whatever a Labour >>>>>>>>>government
This article is straggering and amazing.
Deaths up to 35/week maybe. Range of 5 to 35 per week.
This article ropes in all the possible "fear facts" without giving context.
Mind you the word anti-virals is used in a positive context. >>>>>>>>>>>
The pandemic has ended in May 2023, 18 months ago, but still the sky might
fall down even after the summer Covid cycle of 23-24.
It does appear to be endemic as a similar level to traffic accidents, >>>>>>>>>>but new variants have the potential to be a return to a pandemic if >>>>>>>>>>vaccines do not cover the new variant - and especially if too many are
stupid enough not to keep up vaccination - it does have the potential >>>>>>>>>>to kill off those who are that stupid . . .
says and not believe a word that a National government says - purely out of
obedience to dogma will never inherit the earth.The rest of us who are open
minded will.
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with what both >>>>>>>>Labour and National have done in following the advice of Michael Baker >>>>>>>>and other health professionals in continuing to encourage New >>>>>>>>Zealanders to keep up to date with vaccinations? They know that all >>>>>>>>cases of Covid that could be avoided save money and lives and hospital >>>>>>>>resources.
simple ideas.
The New Zealand response to Covid was always far from simple, but what >>>>>> is simple is the observation that yet again you are unable (or more >>>>>> likely unwilling) to answer a simple question. Here it is again:
Can you identify any political party that disagrees with what both >>>>>> Labour and National have done in following the advice of Michael Baker >>>>>> and other health professionals in continuing to encourage New
Zealanders to keep up to date with vaccinations?
Nevermind that the vacination did not stop one fron getting infeceted or >>>>>passing it on.
You keep saying that but you don't know that. There was no clear >>>definition of a "covid death". You only believe it because it is what
you have been told. When the government wanted the problem to appear
bad so they could justify their grotesque lockdowns, somebody who died
of a gunshot wound was included in the covid death statistics when
covid was found during the autopsy.
what the government of the day said about it?
The nature of a Covid19And there you have a much more common dilemma - but it was certainly
infection was such if it was present in any autopsy it was not
possible to determine if it was the cause of death when other
high-risk factors (such as old age, heart conditions, cancer
diagnoses) were also present.
A good friend of mine, diagnosed with cancer in various organs and 8Again that would have been a judgement at the time - and you will also
months into various treatments (radiation and Chemo), could barely
walk when I took him, at his request, to a local craft beer bar one
Saturday from his nursing home. On the following Monday he was
diagnosed with Covid and died on Thursday. He counts as a Covid death >because there was an infection present when he died.
I am not going to do citing research as you so often blindly ignore
them in subsequent posts, but based on this experience it is often
impossible to determine whether Covid caused death.
That story now, with the greater knowledge we have, is increasingly
Now you're telling everybody thatNot specifically - the whole Covid response saved lives - starting
the lockdowns saved lives.
with restrictions on people entering New Zealand, the lock downs, and
in particular restricting visitors to aged care facilities and
hospitals, isolation of Covid patients, masks and distancing, and
tracking of covid contacts. Yes lockdowns were a significant part of
that complex response, but we cannot say what percentage of the lives
saved resulted from any one part.
difficult to sustain. Again, because of your political bias, I am not >willing to cite this because of your posting history.
What can be prescribed is subject to standard procedures and testing - >>there was not reason to drop those procedures and tests; but the use
If it is your assertion that the intent of the previous government was
to reduce covid deaths, why were doctors forbidden to prescribe
generic drugs like ivermectin and hydrochloroquine?
of unusual drugs did occur in some countries, and we benefited from
medical research there - from memory ivermectin and hydrochloroquine
were tested in the USA and found to be either useless in limiting
Covid infection, or potentially harmful - do you know of any country
that approved them for use in Covid prevention or cure?
Could that haveI would not have thought so - New Zealand went on to purchase Covid >>vaccines from a number of suppliers, but as far as I am aware
been part the sale & purchase agreement the Ardern government signed
with Pfizer?
ivermectin and hydrochloroquine were discredited before any purchase
by the state was suggested. I understand they are used for other
purposes however - did you try either of them, BR?
It is all very smelly.I suspect you are correct; these were suggested at around the time the
NZ Taxpayer Union was assisting organise the dangerous protests at >>parliament - perhaps that was an Atlas Network smell you have
identified.
Bill.
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