• Why do Far-Right politicians not believe in Science?

    From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 5 13:50:26 2024
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/04/fluoride-explainer-what-is-us-election-donald-trump-robert-f-kennedy-jr

    Good science is apolitical, but it is concerning that so many from the
    extreme right seem to forget elementary scientific principles and
    basic knowledge and crawl into delusionary holes.

    I suspect it is first of all an attempt to capture support from those
    who do not have the intellect to see through the effect of some
    far-right policies, such as increased inequality and poverty - or
    looked at from another perspective rewards to wealthy supporters, and
    possibly a distraction from such things.

    We have enough of such idiocy here, supported at times by the likes of
    the NZ Taxpayer Union and their fringe protest groups, who pretend
    that identifying such beliefs as wanting to remove fluoride from
    drinking water is an attack on free speech . . .

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 5 16:35:53 2024
    On Tue, 05 Nov 2024 13:50:26 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/04/fluoride-explainer-what-is-us-election-donald-trump-robert-f-kennedy-jr

    Good science is apolitical, but it is concerning that so many from the >extreme right seem to forget elementary scientific principles and
    basic knowledge and crawl into delusionary holes.

    Why single out those on the right? There are all manor of non-right politicians who fail to accept any Science that goes against their
    beliefs.

    I suspect it is first of all an attempt to capture support from those
    who do not have the intellect to see through the effect of some
    far-right policies, such as increased inequality and poverty - or
    looked at from another perspective rewards to wealthy supporters, and >possibly a distraction from such things.

    We have enough of such idiocy here, supported at times by the likes of
    the NZ Taxpayer Union and their fringe protest groups, who pretend
    that identifying such beliefs as wanting to remove fluoride from
    drinking water is an attack on free speech . . .

    Your usual anti-Government political rhetoric. Can you cite for any
    accusation in your last paragraph above? I don't recall any such
    group being anti-fluoridation but I am happy to be proven wrong.


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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 5 21:06:32 2024
    On Tue, 05 Nov 2024 20:50:43 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 5 Nov 2024 07:40:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/04/fluoride-explainer-what-is-us-election-donald-trump-robert-f-kennedy-jr

    Good science is apolitical, but it is concerning that so many from the >>>extreme right seem to forget elementary scientific principles and
    basic knowledge and crawl into delusionary holes.
    American right wing politicians have no equivalents here. So this is not about
    New Zealand.
    The references are indeed from the USA, but of course our furthest
    right party (and currently the most influential in our government) is
    the ACT Party; but I accept that Trump in is probably generally
    regarded as more delusionary than David Seymour

    There is no connection between any NZ politician and Trump. Rich it
    is you who are deluded by your rhetoric.

    I suspect it is first of all an attempt to capture support from those
    who do not have the intellect to see through the effect of some
    far-right policies, such as increased inequality and poverty - or
    looked at from another perspective rewards to wealthy supporters, and >>>possibly a distraction from such things.
    Again, an American reference, invalid here.
    Even after only one year, our ACT/NZ1/National government has managed
    to increase inequality; provided conspicuous rewards to wealthy
    supporters - and promised more to come. There is a direct comparison
    with New Zealand.

    Not even close. In its first year the current government has repealed
    more legislation than any previous new Government and remains popular.

    We have enough of such idiocy here, supported at times by the likes of >>>the NZ Taxpayer Union and their fringe protest groups, who pretend
    that identifying such beliefs as wanting to remove fluoride from
    drinking water is an attack on free speech . . .
    Absolute nonsense. They are not fringe, they are mainstream, but to you they >>are a fundamental threat to all you believe in - often the case with extreme >>left wing folk. So you keep lying about them.
    I suspect your unsupported opinions are not even shared by many
    National Party or NZ First supporters

    I suspect you always make have unwarranted suspicions on what Tony
    says.


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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Nov 5 07:40:04 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/04/fluoride-explainer-what-is-us-election-donald-trump-robert-f-kennedy-jr

    Good science is apolitical, but it is concerning that so many from the >extreme right seem to forget elementary scientific principles and
    basic knowledge and crawl into delusionary holes.
    American right wing politicians have no equivalents here. So this is not about New Zealand.

    I suspect it is first of all an attempt to capture support from those
    who do not have the intellect to see through the effect of some
    far-right policies, such as increased inequality and poverty - or
    looked at from another perspective rewards to wealthy supporters, and >possibly a distraction from such things.
    Again, an American reference, invalid here.

    We have enough of such idiocy here, supported at times by the likes of
    the NZ Taxpayer Union and their fringe protest groups, who pretend
    that identifying such beliefs as wanting to remove fluoride from
    drinking water is an attack on free speech . . .
    Absolute nonsense. They are not fringe, they are mainstream, but to you they are a fundamental threat to all you believe in - often the case with extreme left wing folk. So you keep lying about them.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Tue Nov 5 20:50:43 2024
    On Tue, 5 Nov 2024 07:40:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/04/fluoride-explainer-what-is-us-election-donald-trump-robert-f-kennedy-jr

    Good science is apolitical, but it is concerning that so many from the >>extreme right seem to forget elementary scientific principles and
    basic knowledge and crawl into delusionary holes.
    American right wing politicians have no equivalents here. So this is not about >New Zealand.
    The references are indeed from the USA, but of course our furthest
    right party (and currently the most influential in our government) is
    the ACT Party; but I accept that Trump in is probably generally
    regarded as more delusionary than David Seymour

    I suspect it is first of all an attempt to capture support from those
    who do not have the intellect to see through the effect of some
    far-right policies, such as increased inequality and poverty - or
    looked at from another perspective rewards to wealthy supporters, and >>possibly a distraction from such things.
    Again, an American reference, invalid here.
    Even after only one year, our ACT/NZ1/National government has managed
    to increase inequality; provided conspicuous rewards to wealthy
    supporters - and promised more to come. There is a direct comparison
    with New Zealand.


    We have enough of such idiocy here, supported at times by the likes of
    the NZ Taxpayer Union and their fringe protest groups, who pretend
    that identifying such beliefs as wanting to remove fluoride from
    drinking water is an attack on free speech . . .
    Absolute nonsense. They are not fringe, they are mainstream, but to you they >are a fundamental threat to all you believe in - often the case with extreme >left wing folk. So you keep lying about them.
    I suspect your unsupported opinions are not even shared by many
    National Party or NZ First supporters

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  • From Willy Nilly@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Nov 5 08:00:42 2024
    On Tue, 05 Nov 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Good science is apolitical, but it is concerning that so many from the >extreme right seem to forget elementary scientific principles and
    basic knowledge and crawl into delusionary holes.

    You are a total nutcase. The best science is from engineers and
    experimental physicists, and they are not left-wing loops like you.

    And fluoride is a toxin which doesn't belong in drinking water.
    Idiots in the UK actually want to add *statins* to the drinking water
    as well. Once you take the lid off, there will be no end to it all.
    The only pragmatic healthy course is to prohibit *all* additives to
    drinking water.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Willy Nilly on Wed Nov 6 07:32:17 2024
    On Tue, 05 Nov 2024 08:00:42 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    On Tue, 05 Nov 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Good science is apolitical, but it is concerning that so many from the >>extreme right seem to forget elementary scientific principles and
    basic knowledge and crawl into delusionary holes.

    You are a total nutcase. The best science is from engineers and
    experimental physicists, and they are not left-wing loops like you.

    And fluoride is a toxin which doesn't belong in drinking water.
    Idiots in the UK actually want to add *statins* to the drinking water
    as well. Once you take the lid off, there will be no end to it all.
    The only pragmatic healthy course is to prohibit *all* additives to
    drinking water.

    I note you carefully deleted anything you had no real answer to - for
    example: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/04/fluoride-explainer-what-is-us-election-donald-trump-robert-f-kennedy-jr

    Thankfully we have had responsible governments in New Zealand that
    have recognised the value of water treatment, including the addition
    of fluoride . . . We do have problems with adequate dental care in
    New Zealand, but there has been no suggestion that the current
    government may change our very good policies regarding water
    treatment.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Nov 5 19:08:55 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 5 Nov 2024 07:40:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/04/fluoride-explainer-what-is-us-election-donald-trump-robert-f-kennedy-jr

    Good science is apolitical, but it is concerning that so many from the >>>extreme right seem to forget elementary scientific principles and
    basic knowledge and crawl into delusionary holes.
    American right wing politicians have no equivalents here. So this is not >>about
    New Zealand.
    The references are indeed from the USA, but of course our furthest
    right party (and currently the most influential in our government) is
    the ACT Party; but I accept that Trump in is probably generally
    regarded as more delusionary than David Seymour
    More sarcasm and lies. ACT is right of centre not far right and clearly left of the US democrats.

    I suspect it is first of all an attempt to capture support from those
    who do not have the intellect to see through the effect of some
    far-right policies, such as increased inequality and poverty - or
    looked at from another perspective rewards to wealthy supporters, and >>>possibly a distraction from such things.
    Again, an American reference, invalid here.
    Even after only one year, our ACT/NZ1/National government has managed
    to increase inequality; provided conspicuous rewards to wealthy
    supporters - and promised more to come. There is a direct comparison
    with New Zealand.
    Nonsense. No comparison direct or imaginary.


    We have enough of such idiocy here, supported at times by the likes of >>>the NZ Taxpayer Union and their fringe protest groups, who pretend
    that identifying such beliefs as wanting to remove fluoride from
    drinking water is an attack on free speech . . .
    Absolute nonsense. They are not fringe, they are mainstream, but to you they >>are a fundamental threat to all you believe in - often the case with extreme >>left wing folk. So you keep lying about them.
    I suspect your unsupported opinions are not even shared by many
    National Party or NZ First supporters
    My unsupported opinions are as valid as yours, in this case moreso.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Nov 5 19:11:55 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 05 Nov 2024 08:00:42 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

    On Tue, 05 Nov 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Good science is apolitical, but it is concerning that so many from the >>>extreme right seem to forget elementary scientific principles and
    basic knowledge and crawl into delusionary holes.

    You are a total nutcase. The best science is from engineers and >>experimental physicists, and they are not left-wing loops like you.

    And fluoride is a toxin which doesn't belong in drinking water.
    Idiots in the UK actually want to add *statins* to the drinking water
    as well. Once you take the lid off, there will be no end to it all.
    The only pragmatic healthy course is to prohibit *all* additives to >>drinking water.

    I note you carefully deleted anything you had no real answer to - for >example: >https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/04/fluoride-explainer-what-is-us-election-donald-trump-robert-f-kennedy-jr

    Thankfully we have had responsible governments in New Zealand that
    have recognised the value of water treatment, including the addition
    of fluoride . . . We do have problems with adequate dental care in
    New Zealand, but there has been no suggestion that the current
    government may change our very good policies regarding water
    treatment.
    Since you have no scientific training, your opinion is a waste of bandwidth.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Crash on Tue Nov 5 22:28:06 2024
    On 2024-11-05, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Tue, 05 Nov 2024 20:50:43 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 5 Nov 2024 07:40:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/04/fluoride-explainer-what-is-us-election-donald-trump-robert-f-kennedy-jr

    Good science is apolitical, but it is concerning that so many from the >>>>extreme right seem to forget elementary scientific principles and
    basic knowledge and crawl into delusionary holes.
    American right wing politicians have no equivalents here. So this is not about
    New Zealand.
    The references are indeed from the USA, but of course our furthest
    right party (and currently the most influential in our government) is
    the ACT Party; but I accept that Trump in is probably generally
    regarded as more delusionary than David Seymour

    There is no connection between any NZ politician and Trump. Rich it
    is you who are deluded by your rhetoric.

    I suspect it is first of all an attempt to capture support from those >>>>who do not have the intellect to see through the effect of some >>>>far-right policies, such as increased inequality and poverty - or >>>>looked at from another perspective rewards to wealthy supporters, and >>>>possibly a distraction from such things.
    Again, an American reference, invalid here.
    Even after only one year, our ACT/NZ1/National government has managed
    to increase inequality; provided conspicuous rewards to wealthy
    supporters - and promised more to come. There is a direct comparison
    with New Zealand.

    Not even close. In its first year the current government has repealed
    more legislation than any previous new Government and remains popular.

    Sure thing. When Rich says stuff like this I know that it is the Labour
    folks who are doing it. After all the Government can not do anythig right in Rich's eyes.


    We have enough of such idiocy here, supported at times by the likes of >>>>the NZ Taxpayer Union and their fringe protest groups, who pretend
    that identifying such beliefs as wanting to remove fluoride from >>>>drinking water is an attack on free speech . . .
    Absolute nonsense. They are not fringe, they are mainstream, but to you they >>>are a fundamental threat to all you believe in - often the case with extreme >>>left wing folk. So you keep lying about them.
    I suspect your unsupported opinions are not even shared by many
    National Party or NZ First supporters

    I suspect you always make have unwarranted suspicions on what Tony
    says.



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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Willy Nilly on Tue Nov 5 22:20:48 2024
    On 2024-11-05, Willy Nilly <wn@nosuch.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 05 Nov 2024, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Good science is apolitical, but it is concerning that so many from the >>extreme right seem to forget elementary scientific principles and
    basic knowledge and crawl into delusionary holes.

    You are a total nutcase. The best science is from engineers and
    experimental physicists, and they are not left-wing loops like you.

    And fluoride is a toxin which doesn't belong in drinking water.
    Idiots in the UK actually want to add *statins* to the drinking water
    as well. Once you take the lid off, there will be no end to it all.
    The only pragmatic healthy course is to prohibit *all* additives to
    drinking water.

    The advantage to adding any substance to the potable water is that it will deliver it to those in need.

    The debate really is how much is harmful. There is also the arguement that
    why should I have a toxin or whatever else in my water supply.

    Selenium is a trace element which is beneficial is small amounts. Larger amounts it becomes toxic.

    https://nutritionfoundation.org.nz/nutrition-facts/nutrients/minerals/selenium/

    Chlorine is also put in the water to kill any bugs.

    There is the arguement that what happens if the majority want fluoride in
    their drinking water?

    There is no doubt that fluoride does decrease the rates of dental decay.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Crash on Tue Nov 5 22:34:20 2024
    On 2024-11-05, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Tue, 05 Nov 2024 13:50:26 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/04/fluoride-explainer-what-is-us-election-donald-trump-robert-f-kennedy-jr

    Good science is apolitical, but it is concerning that so many from the >>extreme right seem to forget elementary scientific principles and
    basic knowledge and crawl into delusionary holes.

    Why single out those on the right? There are all manor of non-right politicians who fail to accept any Science that goes against their
    beliefs.

    I suspect it is first of all an attempt to capture support from those
    who do not have the intellect to see through the effect of some
    far-right policies, such as increased inequality and poverty - or
    looked at from another perspective rewards to wealthy supporters, and >>possibly a distraction from such things.

    We have enough of such idiocy here, supported at times by the likes of
    the NZ Taxpayer Union and their fringe protest groups, who pretend
    that identifying such beliefs as wanting to remove fluoride from
    drinking water is an attack on free speech . . .

    Your usual anti-Government political rhetoric. Can you cite for any accusation in your last paragraph above? I don't recall any such
    group being anti-fluoridation but I am happy to be proven wrong.

    When the studies showed that fluoride reduced tooth decay in children there
    was an acceptance that this was a good thing. The anti side took a few
    decades to appear. People where trusting of their Governments in the 60's.

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  • From Lawrence D'Oliveiro@21:1/5 to Willy Nilly on Tue Nov 5 22:42:45 2024
    On Tue, 05 Nov 2024 08:00:42 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:

    And fluoride is a toxin which doesn't belong in drinking water.

    Do you know of any cases of people being poisoned by it?

    Fun fact: the most dangerous and potentially lethal substance coming out
    of our water taps is ... the water.

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