https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0045653524022173

It appears to be the case that it is not known what the safe limit is for
fire retardants in recycled plastic items.

" Highlights


FRs specific to electronics were detected in non-electronic household
items bought in the U.S.

85% of products with >50 ppm Br contained toxic FRs.

∑FR concentrations ranged up to 22,800 mg/kg.

22,800 mg/kg is 22.8g/kg or 2.28% of the items weight.

I would suggest that it might be a ggod idea to ban the use of plastics with fire retardants until there is clarity as to whether or not they are safe.
Items containing polymers used in electronics had significantly higher FR levels.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On 10 Nov 2024 02:28:36 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0045653524022173

It appears to be the case that it is not known what the safe limit is for >fire retardants in recycled plastic items.

As long as those morons are advocating we pump "covid vaccine" poison
into our bodies (not to mention all the other "vaccines"), it's not
really possible to pay any attention to their warnings about pretty
much anything else.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 03:24:30 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

On 10 Nov 2024 02:28:36 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0045653524022173

It appears to be the case that it is not known what the safe limit is for >>fire retardants in recycled plastic items.

As long as those morons are advocating we pump "covid vaccine" poison
into our bodies (not to mention all the other "vaccines"), it's not
really possible to pay any attention to their warnings about pretty
much anything else.

Fire retardants have nothing to do with covid vaccines and are not
mentioned; I have not seen any comments from our government about fire retardants, but they do recommend keeping up to date with covid
vaccines - even if you disagree with many of their policies, most of
our current government are not morons.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Sun, 10 Nov 2024 03:24:30 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:

As long as those morons are advocating we pump "covid vaccine" poison
into our bodies (not to mention all the other "vaccines") ...

Why the scare quotes? Vaccines do work. Think of how rampant infectious diseases were, just a century ago or so. Smallpox has been eradicated
(also rinderpest in cattle), and we are this close to getting rid of
polio, too.

Look at what has happened, in our own backyard just within the last few
years, as a result of lapses in measles vaccination. Those were not happy
times for those who caught the disease.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Vaccines do work. Think of how rampant infectious
diseases were, just a century ago or so.

It is improvements in hygiene which has remedied those, not vaccines.
In almost all cases, the vaccines were introduced only after the
diseases had already decreased by ~95%.

Smallpox has been eradicated (also rinderpest in cattle),

I'll grant you that.

and we are this close to getting rid of polio, too.

Pretty darn unlikely, as the oral polio "vaccine" uses live polio
virus in its formula, which sometimes causes polio in the recipients
as well as those near to them.

Look at what has happened, in our own backyard just within the last few >years, as a result of lapses in measles vaccination. Those were not happy >times for those who caught the disease.

That's a bad joke, measles was never so bad, but now that there's a
vaccine for it, the general population is no longer confronted with it normally, thus the in-built immunity loses its edge, and the public
becomes *more* susceptible to it than before, and those measles cases
get worse than before because the herd immunity has diminished.
Measles is one (of many) diseases where the "vaccine" creates a
problem far worse than what was before those vaccines.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 22:41:28 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

Vaccines do work. Think of how rampant infectious diseases were, just a
century ago or so.

It is improvements in hygiene which has remedied those, not vaccines.

Improvements in hygiene help with things like cholera or polio that can
spread through fecal matter or contaminated water, they don’t help with respiratory diseases.

By the way, wearing a mask counts as a “hygiene” measure. Have you been doing that?

Remember the 1918 flu epidemic? Killed more people than the entire
preceding four years of World War I. So much for your “improvements in hygiene”.

Look at what has happened, in our own backyard just within the last few >>years, as a result of lapses in measles vaccination. Those were not
happy times for those who caught the disease.

That's a bad joke, measles was never so bad ...

It is bad. It is far more infectious than Covid-19. Babies have become seriously sick and died from it.

And there are those diseases which, while mostly mild, can have
unfortunate effects if the person who catches them happens to be a
pregnant mother-to-be.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

By the way, wearing a mask counts as a “hygiene” measure. Have you been >doing that?

OK, you are now officially a nut. Bye, nutcase.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Tue, 12 Nov 2024 07:54:53 GMT, wn@nosuch.com (Willy Nilly) wrote:

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

By the way, wearing a mask counts as a “hygiene�? measure. Have you been >>doing that?

OK, you are now officially a nut. Bye, nutcase.

Is that what you call a doctor that wears a mask? It is basic GP
protection, and goes with washing hands and sterilising instruments.

If you are visiting some patients in hospital, you may be required to
wear a mask - again basic safety measures for everyone.

It is a bit far away from the initial post in the thread, and this
article:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0045653524022173

although if there are unsafe toxins that may harm you, shielding your
skin and breathing may be appropriate.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Tue, 12 Nov 2024 07:54:53 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

By the way, wearing a mask counts as a “hygiene” measure. Have you been >>doing that?

Bye ...

When the science questions get tricky, the anti-sciencers just run away.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 03:38:29 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro
<ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 12 Nov 2024 07:54:53 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

By the way, wearing a mask counts as a �hygiene� measure. Have you been >>>doing that?

Bye ...

When the science questions get tricky, the anti-sciencers just run away.

Who are these "anti sciencers"?

Science questions can only be answered by using repeatable experiments
and verifiable facts.

Bill.

--
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
https://www.avg.com

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 17:47:59 +1300, BR wrote:

On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 03:38:29 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 12 Nov 2024 07:54:53 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

By the way, wearing a mask counts as a “hygiene” measure. Have you >>>>been doing that?

Bye ...

When the science questions get tricky, the anti-sciencers just run away.

Who are these "anti sciencers"?

Somebody who was using “hygiene measures” as an excuse to be anti-vaxxer, until I pointed out a “hygiene measure” that they were opposed to
following as well. That left them no way out without looking stupid.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)

On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 17:47:59 +1300, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 03:38:29 -0000 (UTC), Lawrence D'Oliveiro ><ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Tue, 12 Nov 2024 07:54:53 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:

On Mon, 11 Nov 2024, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

By the way, wearing a mask counts as a �hygiene� measure. Have you been >>>>doing that?

Bye ...

When the science questions get tricky, the anti-sciencers just run away.

Who are these "anti sciencers"?

Science questions can only be answered by using repeatable experiments
and verifiable facts.

Bill.

Exactly Bill - a very good point. See here for example for some of the
issues considered : https://info.health.nz/conditions-treatments/infectious-diseases/covid-19/face-masks

Measurements of the ability of a mask to stop transmission of disease
depends on quite a few issues - scientific testing has been used to
measure efficacy for a range of illnesses and situations.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
* Origin: fsxNet Usenet Gateway (21:1/5)