Good to see that Labour are prepared to embrace PPP for infrastructure. A major
change.
Even better to see that they and the governmemnt may work together on this.
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 05:42:24 -0000 (UTC), TonyIt was on the news last night. Hipkins agreed that for infrastructure it was workable. He has doubts about healtha and education (too risky politically!). You could subscribe here if you missed it. https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/finance/new-ppp-blueprint-launched.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Good to see that Labour are prepared to embrace PPP for infrastructure. A >>major
change.
Even better to see that they and the governmemnt may work together on this.
Can you post a reference?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 05:42:24 -0000 (UTC), TonyIt was on the news last night. Hipkins agreed that for infrastructure it was >workable. He has doubts about healtha and education (too risky politically!). >You could subscribe here if you missed it. >https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/finance/new-ppp-blueprint-launched.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Good to see that Labour are prepared to embrace PPP for infrastructure. A >>>majorCan you post a reference?
change.
Even better to see that they and the governmemnt may work together on this. >>
Or watch last night's news on TVNZ on demand. It's free.
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 18:55:31 -0000 (UTC), TonyI agree, I found it difficult to find any mention. It is massively significant, if only we could see both parties doing this for Health and Education.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 05:42:24 -0000 (UTC), TonyIt was on the news last night. Hipkins agreed that for infrastructure it was >>workable. He has doubts about healtha and education (too risky politically!). >>You could subscribe here if you missed it. >>https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/finance/new-ppp-blueprint-launched.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Good to see that Labour are prepared to embrace PPP for infrastructure. A >>>>majorCan you post a reference?
change.
Even better to see that they and the governmemnt may work together on this. >>>
Or watch last night's news on TVNZ on demand. It's free.
I also saw this on TV1 news - but could not find any reference to it
on 1news.co.nz. Astonishing given the significance of what was said.
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 18:55:31 -0000 (UTC), TonyI agree, I found it difficult to find any mention. It is massively significant,
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 05:42:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:It was on the news last night. Hipkins agreed that for infrastructure it was >>>workable. He has doubts about healtha and education (too risky politically!).
Good to see that Labour are prepared to embrace PPP for infrastructure. A >>>>>major
change.
Even better to see that they and the governmemnt may work together on this.
Can you post a reference?
You could subscribe here if you missed it. >>>https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/finance/new-ppp-blueprint-launched.
Or watch last night's news on TVNZ on demand. It's free.
I also saw this on TV1 news - but could not find any reference to it
on 1news.co.nz. Astonishing given the significance of what was said.
if only we could see both parties doing this for Health and Education.
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 23:45:03 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is the most stupid thing you have ever posted. And that is saying a great deal.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 18:55:31 -0000 (UTC), TonyI agree, I found it difficult to find any mention. It is massively >>significant,
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 05:42:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:It was on the news last night. Hipkins agreed that for infrastructure it >>>>was
Good to see that Labour are prepared to embrace PPP for infrastructure. A >>>>>>major
change.
Even better to see that they and the governmemnt may work together on >>>>>>this.
Can you post a reference?
workable. He has doubts about healtha and education (too risky >>>>politically!).
You could subscribe here if you missed it. >>>>https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/finance/new-ppp-blueprint-launched. >>>>Or watch last night's news on TVNZ on demand. It's free.
I also saw this on TV1 news - but could not find any reference to it
on 1news.co.nz. Astonishing given the significance of what was said.
if only we could see both parties doing this for Health and Education.
It still does not get around the reality that all private borrowing is
more expensive than government borrowing. That cost is paid for by New >Zealanders, and all so that the Government can crow about not
increasing their debt . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 23:45:03 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is the most stupid thing you have ever posted. And that is saying a great >deal.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 18:55:31 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I agree, I found it difficult to find any mention. It is massively >>>significant,
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 05:42:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:It was on the news last night. Hipkins agreed that for infrastructure it >>>>>was
Good to see that Labour are prepared to embrace PPP for infrastructure. A
major
change.
Even better to see that they and the governmemnt may work together on >>>>>>>this.
Can you post a reference?
workable. He has doubts about healtha and education (too risky >>>>>politically!).
You could subscribe here if you missed it. >>>>>https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/finance/new-ppp-blueprint-launched. >>>>>Or watch last night's news on TVNZ on demand. It's free.
I also saw this on TV1 news - but could not find any reference to it
on 1news.co.nz. Astonishing given the significance of what was said.
if only we could see both parties doing this for Health and Education.
It still does not get around the reality that all private borrowing is
more expensive than government borrowing. That cost is paid for by New >>Zealanders, and all so that the Government can crow about not
increasing their debt . . .
This is a joint initiative between two major parties and anybody with more than
one brain cell would applaud it. No more need be said however since you have >dug very deep to find something wrong where it does not exist.
PPPs work well all over the world, including here except of course in your mind.
Labour like it. Enough said.
On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 01:34:33 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou can wait for ever. That question is irrelevant., as are you.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 23:45:03 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is the most stupid thing you have ever posted. And that is saying a >>great
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 18:55:31 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:if only we could see both parties doing this for Health and Education.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 05:42:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:It was on the news last night. Hipkins agreed that for infrastructure it >>>>>>was
Good to see that Labour are prepared to embrace PPP for infrastructure. >>>>>>>>A
major
change.
Even better to see that they and the governmemnt may work together on >>>>>>>>this.
Can you post a reference?
workable. He has doubts about healtha and education (too risky >>>>>>politically!).
You could subscribe here if you missed it. >>>>>>https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/finance/new-ppp-blueprint-launched. >>>>>>Or watch last night's news on TVNZ on demand. It's free.
I also saw this on TV1 news - but could not find any reference to it >>>>>on 1news.co.nz. Astonishing given the significance of what was said. >>>>I agree, I found it difficult to find any mention. It is massively >>>>significant,
It still does not get around the reality that all private borrowing is >>>more expensive than government borrowing. That cost is paid for by New >>>Zealanders, and all so that the Government can crow about not
increasing their debt . . .
deal.
Yet you cannot find any argument for your point of view . . .
So tell us, Tony; if a project needs $500 million capital, why should
New Zealanders pay say and extra 0.25% p.a. for borrowing necessary
capital when the cost could be that much lower . . .
Waiting . . .
This is a joint initiative between two major parties and anybody with more >>than
one brain cell would applaud it. No more need be said however since you have >>dug very deep to find something wrong where it does not exist.
PPPs work well all over the world, including here except of course in your >>mind.
Labour like it. Enough said.
On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 01:34:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 23:45:03 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is the most stupid thing you have ever posted. And that is saying a great
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 18:55:31 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:if only we could see both parties doing this for Health and Education.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 05:42:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:It was on the news last night. Hipkins agreed that for infrastructure it >>>>>>was
Good to see that Labour are prepared to embrace PPP for infrastructure. A
major
change.
Even better to see that they and the governmemnt may work together on >>>>>>>>this.
Can you post a reference?
workable. He has doubts about healtha and education (too risky >>>>>>politically!).
You could subscribe here if you missed it. >>>>>>https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/finance/new-ppp-blueprint-launched. >>>>>>Or watch last night's news on TVNZ on demand. It's free.
I also saw this on TV1 news - but could not find any reference to it >>>>>on 1news.co.nz. Astonishing given the significance of what was said. >>>>I agree, I found it difficult to find any mention. It is massively >>>>significant,
It still does not get around the reality that all private borrowing is >>>more expensive than government borrowing. That cost is paid for by New >>>Zealanders, and all so that the Government can crow about not
increasing their debt . . .
deal.
Yet you cannot find any argument for your point of view . . .
So tell us, Tony; if a project needs $500 million capital, why should
New Zealanders pay say and extra 0.25% p.a. for borrowing necessary
capital when the cost could be that much lower . . .
Waiting . . .
This is a joint initiative between two major parties and anybody with more than
one brain cell would applaud it. No more need be said however since you have >>dug very deep to find something wrong where it does not exist.
PPPs work well all over the world, including here except of course in your mind.
Labour like it. Enough said.
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 18:55:31 -0000 (UTC), TonyI agree, I found it difficult to find any mention. It is massively significant,
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 05:42:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:It was on the news last night. Hipkins agreed that for infrastructure it was >>>workable. He has doubts about healtha and education (too risky politically!).
Good to see that Labour are prepared to embrace PPP for infrastructure. A >>>>>major
change.
Even better to see that they and the governmemnt may work together on this.
Can you post a reference?
You could subscribe here if you missed it. >>>https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/finance/new-ppp-blueprint-launched.
Or watch last night's news on TVNZ on demand. It's free.
I also saw this on TV1 news - but could not find any reference to it
on 1news.co.nz. Astonishing given the significance of what was said.
if only we could see both parties doing this for Health and Education.
On 2024-11-13, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Agreed. What surprises me is that anyone would find this initiative to be anything but positive. Nobody has said that PPPs must always be used. They are just an option, one to be chosen based on the appropriate business case. But then, there are some that don't think for themselves!
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 18:55:31 -0000 (UTC), TonyI agree, I found it difficult to find any mention. It is massively >>significant,
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 05:42:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:It was on the news last night. Hipkins agreed that for infrastructure it >>>>was
Good to see that Labour are prepared to embrace PPP for infrastructure. A >>>>>>major
change.
Even better to see that they and the governmemnt may work together on >>>>>>this.
Can you post a reference?
workable. He has doubts about healtha and education (too risky >>>>politically!).
You could subscribe here if you missed it. >>>>https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/finance/new-ppp-blueprint-launched. >>>>Or watch last night's news on TVNZ on demand. It's free.
I also saw this on TV1 news - but could not find any reference to it
on 1news.co.nz. Astonishing given the significance of what was said.
if only we could see both parties doing this for Health and Education.
For the moment Health and Education is on bridge too far. Let us take what
we have and encourage everyone on and hope that we can cross the Health and >Education bridge.
On 2024-11-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:They work very well for ensuring that private contractors make larger
On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 01:34:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 23:45:03 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:That is the most stupid thing you have ever posted. And that is saying a great
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:It still does not get around the reality that all private borrowing is >>>>more expensive than government borrowing. That cost is paid for by New >>>>Zealanders, and all so that the Government can crow about not >>>>increasing their debt . . .
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 18:55:31 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:if only we could see both parties doing this for Health and Education. >>>>
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 05:42:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:It was on the news last night. Hipkins agreed that for infrastructure it >>>>>>>was
Good to see that Labour are prepared to embrace PPP for infrastructure. A
major
change.
Even better to see that they and the governmemnt may work together on >>>>>>>>>this.
Can you post a reference?
workable. He has doubts about healtha and education (too risky >>>>>>>politically!).
You could subscribe here if you missed it. >>>>>>>https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/finance/new-ppp-blueprint-launched. >>>>>>>Or watch last night's news on TVNZ on demand. It's free.
I also saw this on TV1 news - but could not find any reference to it >>>>>>on 1news.co.nz. Astonishing given the significance of what was said. >>>>>I agree, I found it difficult to find any mention. It is massively >>>>>significant,
deal.
Yet you cannot find any argument for your point of view . . .
So tell us, Tony; if a project needs $500 million capital, why should
New Zealanders pay say and extra 0.25% p.a. for borrowing necessary
capital when the cost could be that much lower . . .
Waiting . . .
So why then do PPP work so well and why is Labour in favour of PPP?
This is a joint initiative between two major parties and anybody with more than
one brain cell would applaud it. No more need be said however since you have >>>dug very deep to find something wrong where it does not exist.
PPPs work well all over the world, including here except of course in your mind.
Labour like it. Enough said.
On 14 Nov 2024 23:36:43 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Just like you have provided zero reason for not doing it.
On 2024-11-14, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:They work very well for ensuring that private contractors make larger >profits, at the expense of the state.
On Thu, 14 Nov 2024 01:34:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 23:45:03 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:That is the most stupid thing you have ever posted. And that is saying a >>>>great
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:It still does not get around the reality that all private borrowing is >>>>>more expensive than government borrowing. That cost is paid for by New >>>>>Zealanders, and all so that the Government can crow about not >>>>>increasing their debt . . .
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 18:55:31 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:if only we could see both parties doing this for Health and Education. >>>>>
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 13 Nov 2024 05:42:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:It was on the news last night. Hipkins agreed that for infrastructure >>>>>>>>it
Good to see that Labour are prepared to embrace PPP for >>>>>>>>>>infrastructure. A
major
change.
Even better to see that they and the governmemnt may work together on >>>>>>>>>>this.
Can you post a reference?
was
workable. He has doubts about healtha and education (too risky >>>>>>>>politically!).
You could subscribe here if you missed it. >>>>>>>>https://businessdesk.co.nz/article/finance/new-ppp-blueprint-launched. >>>>>>>>Or watch last night's news on TVNZ on demand. It's free.
I also saw this on TV1 news - but could not find any reference to it >>>>>>>on 1news.co.nz. Astonishing given the significance of what was said. >>>>>>I agree, I found it difficult to find any mention. It is massively >>>>>>significant,
deal.
Yet you cannot find any argument for your point of view . . .
So tell us, Tony; if a project needs $500 million capital, why should
New Zealanders pay say and extra 0.25% p.a. for borrowing necessary
capital when the cost could be that much lower . . .
Waiting . . .
So why then do PPP work so well and why is Labour in favour of PPP?
I have seen nothing more on the proposals - they purport to better
balance risk so that they are not quite so unbalanced, but I have not
seen any details as yet, or comment from reputable economists.
The best project undertaken under the John Key government was the >collaboration between government and contractors to repair theSeveral recent PPP schemes have worked well. But you ignore facts.
Kaikoura earthquake highway and train route along the cost of the
South Island - there had not been time to embed profit to a complex >structure; government and private firms collaborated under urgency
with decisions made as work progressed. Nobody would want that for
every project, but it was the closest project structure to the old MOW
way of working in recent years.
I do not believe the question as to why we should pay additionalYou shouldn't speak of others like that when you are the biggest and most lying troll ever to inhabit this space. But then, sociopaths don't know they are sick---- do you?
borrowing costs when the government can borrow at cheaper rates than
the private sector was misunderstood by the troll - he was unwilling
to admit he did not wish to answer it.
This is a joint initiative between two major parties and anybody with more >>>>than
one brain cell would applaud it. No more need be said however since you >>>>have
dug very deep to find something wrong where it does not exist.
PPPs work well all over the world, including here except of course in your >>>>mind.
Labour like it. Enough said.
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