• TPM is a disgrace to Maoridom.

    From Tony@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 22 19:13:55 2024
    XPost: nz.politics

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/te-pati-maori-files-complaint-against-gerry-brownlee-as-coalition-targets-haka/6X3DAO5MINCAHCUGWTLQ265GEM/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg#:~:text=Te%20P%C4%81ti%
    20M%C4%81ori%20has%20laid%20an%20official%20complaint,Te%20Tiriti%2C%20Aotearoa%E2%80%99s%20biggest%20protest%20on%20parliament%20grounds.
    Disrespecting parliament should carry severe penalties.
    Where I live most local folk believe this behaviour is reprehensible, and at least 50% of those folk are Maori.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sat Nov 23 11:11:46 2024
    On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 19:13:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/te-pati-maori-files-complaint-against-gerry-brownlee-as-coalition-targets-haka/6X3DAO5MINCAHCUGWTLQ265GEM/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg#:~:text=Te%20P%C4%81ti%
    20M%C4%81ori%20has%20laid%20an%20official%20complaint,Te%20Tiriti%2C%20Aotearoa%E2%80%99s%20biggest%20protest%20on%20parliament%20grounds.
    Disrespecting parliament should carry severe penalties.
    Where I live most local folk believe this behaviour is reprehensible, and at >least 50% of those folk are Maori.

    This is not the way of it currently. Maori are allowed to behave in
    ways that non-Maori would never contemplate because of the
    consequences. Imagine what would happen if ACT MPs got up in
    Parliament and danced with verbal aggression right in front of the
    Maori Party MPs.


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    Crash McBash

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Nov 22 22:52:53 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 19:13:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/te-pati-maori-files-complaint-against-gerry-brownlee-as-coalition-targets-haka/6X3DAO5MINCAHCUGWTLQ265GEM/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg#:~:text=Te%20P%C4%81ti%
    20M%C4%81ori%20has%20laid%20an%20official%20complaint,Te%20Tiriti%2C%20Aotearoa%E2%80%99s%20biggest%20protest%20on%20parliament%20grounds.
    Disrespecting parliament should carry severe penalties.
    Where I live most local folk believe this behaviour is reprehensible, and at >>least 50% of those folk are Maori.

    Stupidity removed. The subject is TPM, not Rich's sexual fantaises.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Crash on Fri Nov 22 22:54:16 2024
    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 19:13:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/te-pati-maori-files-complaint-against-gerry-brownlee-as-coalition-targets-haka/6X3DAO5MINCAHCUGWTLQ265GEM/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg#:~:text=Te%20P%C4%81ti%
    20M%C4%81ori%20has%20laid%20an%20official%20complaint,Te%20Tiriti%2C%20Aotearoa%E2%80%99s%20biggest%20protest%20on%20parliament%20grounds.
    Disrespecting parliament should carry severe penalties.
    Where I live most local folk believe this behaviour is reprehensible, and at >>least 50% of those folk are Maori.

    This is not the way of it currently. Maori are allowed to behave in
    ways that non-Maori would never contemplate because of the
    consequences. Imagine what would happen if ACT MPs got up in
    Parliament and danced with verbal aggression right in front of the
    Maori Party MPs.

    I agree Crash, that was my intention.
    My local folk believe TPM do not represent them in any way.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Fri Nov 22 22:58:32 2024
    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2024-11-22, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/te-pati-maori-files-complaint-against-gerry-brownlee-as-coalition-targets-haka/6X3DAO5MINCAHCUGWTLQ265GEM/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg#:~:text=Te%20P%C4%81ti%
    20M%C4%81ori%20has%20laid%20an%20official%20complaint,Te%20Tiriti%2C%20Aotearoa%E2%80%99s%20biggest%20protest%20on%20parliament%20grounds.
    Disrespecting parliament should carry severe penalties.
    Where I live most local folk believe this behaviour is reprehensible, and at >> least 50% of those folk are Maori.

    This act is certainly a is either virally funny or/and a totally serious >matter. Either way it begs the question and to what the voters were
    thinking to elect these people to the House.

    For a civilised society the Government has to be respected. Without respect >civilised society will soon decay into choas.

    How can we asa country make progress with an attitude such as this?

    Good to see that Tony's sampling shows that 50% of the Maori do not agree >with this behaviour. These kind of facts need to be reported in the main >stream media.
    They won't be. The MSM is corrupt, they are almost entirely driven by politics and have allowed their standards to drop well below professionally acceptable levels.
    They need to be allowed to fade away to nothing so that they can be reborn with some level of integrity.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Tony on Fri Nov 22 22:46:37 2024
    On 2024-11-22, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/te-pati-maori-files-complaint-against-gerry-brownlee-as-coalition-targets-haka/6X3DAO5MINCAHCUGWTLQ265GEM/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg#:~:text=Te%20P%C4%81ti%
    20M%C4%81ori%20has%20laid%20an%20official%20complaint,Te%20Tiriti%2C%20Aotearoa%E2%80%99s%20biggest%20protest%20on%20parliament%20grounds.
    Disrespecting parliament should carry severe penalties.
    Where I live most local folk believe this behaviour is reprehensible, and at least 50% of those folk are Maori.

    This act is certainly a is either virally funny or/and a totally serious matter. Either way it begs the question and to what the voters were
    thinking to elect these people to the House.

    For a civilised society the Government has to be respected. Without respect civilised society will soon decay into choas.

    How can we asa country make progress with an attitude such as this?

    Good to see that Tony's sampling shows that 50% of the Maori do not agree
    with this behaviour. These kind of facts need to be reported in the main
    stream media.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sat Nov 23 11:45:40 2024
    On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 19:13:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/te-pati-maori-files-complaint-against-gerry-brownlee-as-coalition-targets-haka/6X3DAO5MINCAHCUGWTLQ265GEM/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg#:~:text=Te%20P%C4%81ti%
    20M%C4%81ori%20has%20laid%20an%20official%20complaint,Te%20Tiriti%2C%20Aotearoa%E2%80%99s%20biggest%20protest%20on%20parliament%20grounds.
    Disrespecting parliament should carry severe penalties.
    Where I live most local folk believe this behaviour is reprehensible, and at >least 50% of those folk are Maori.

    Gerry Brownlee is increasingly out of his depth; I agree that his
    behaviour has often been reprehensible.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 23 22:19:06 2024
    On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 11:11:46 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 19:13:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/te-pati-maori-files-complaint-against-gerry-brownlee-as-coalition-targets-haka/6X3DAO5MINCAHCUGWTLQ265GEM/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg#:~:text=Te%20P%C4%81ti%
    20M%C4%81ori%20has%20laid%20an%20official%20complaint,Te%20Tiriti%2C%20Aotearoa%E2%80%99s%20biggest%20protest%20on%20parliament%20grounds.
    Disrespecting parliament should carry severe penalties.
    Where I live most local folk believe this behaviour is reprehensible, and at >>least 50% of those folk are Maori.

    This is not the way of it currently. Maori are allowed to behave in
    ways that non-Maori would never contemplate because of the
    consequences. Imagine what would happen if ACT MPs got up in
    Parliament and danced with verbal aggression right in front of the
    Maori Party MPs.

    That is exactly what happened - Seymour's verbal aggression over a
    considerable period of time was eventually met by a relatively mild
    and short remonstration by another political party. This is of course
    what Seymour wanted - he will be delighted to have upset Te Pati
    Maori, and he hopes that his blatant contempt for acting in accordance
    with a binding commitment will get some waverers to support him, if
    for no other reason than his upsetting Maori.

    The six months select committee gives him the opportunity to build
    distrust and conflict, with those picking up his line transferring
    support at the next election from mainly National and NZ First to ACT,
    but with the advantage of also telling those already supporters that
    ACT will stop at nothing to deliver to supporters, and under cover of
    that demonstration, distract from other issues such as fast track
    pay-offs to supporters. ACT are indeed dancing with glee at showing
    how they are not constrained by common decency, or government
    commitments - as with Trump, power is all . . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat Nov 23 19:30:53 2024
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 11:11:46 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 19:13:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/te-pati-maori-files-complaint-against-gerry-brownlee-as-coalition-targets-haka/6X3DAO5MINCAHCUGWTLQ265GEM/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg#:~:text=Te%20P%C4%
    81ti%20M%C4%81ori%20has%20laid%20an%20official%20complaint,Te%20Tiriti%2C%20Aotearoa%E2%80%99s%20biggest%20protest%20on%20parliament%20grounds.
    Disrespecting parliament should carry severe penalties.
    Where I live most local folk believe this behaviour is reprehensible, and at >>>least 50% of those folk are Maori.

    This is not the way of it currently. Maori are allowed to behave in
    ways that non-Maori would never contemplate because of the
    consequences. Imagine what would happen if ACT MPs got up in
    Parliament and danced with verbal aggression right in front of the
    Maori Party MPs.

    That is exactly what happened - Seymour's verbal aggression over a >considerable period of time was eventually met by a relatively mild
    and short remonstration by another political party. This is of course
    what Seymour wanted - he will be delighted to have upset Te Pati
    Maori, and he hopes that his blatant contempt for acting in accordance
    with a binding commitment will get some waverers to support him, if
    for no other reason than his upsetting Maori.
    Absurd bullshit, even you cannot believe what you have written.

    The six months select committee gives him the opportunity to build
    distrust and conflict, with those picking up his line transferring
    support at the next election from mainly National and NZ First to ACT,
    but with the advantage of also telling those already supporters that
    ACT will stop at nothing to deliver to supporters, and under cover of
    that demonstration, distract from other issues such as fast track
    pay-offs to supporters. ACT are indeed dancing with glee at showing
    how they are not constrained by common decency, or government
    commitments - as with Trump, power is all . . .
    You are so desparate that you are now living in cloud cuckoo land.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 24 14:34:36 2024
    On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 22:19:06 +1300, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 11:11:46 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 19:13:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/te-pati-maori-files-complaint-against-gerry-brownlee-as-coalition-targets-haka/6X3DAO5MINCAHCUGWTLQ265GEM/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg#:~:text=Te%20P%C4%
    81ti%20M%C4%81ori%20has%20laid%20an%20official%20complaint,Te%20Tiriti%2C%20Aotearoa%E2%80%99s%20biggest%20protest%20on%20parliament%20grounds.
    Disrespecting parliament should carry severe penalties.
    Where I live most local folk believe this behaviour is reprehensible, and at >>>least 50% of those folk are Maori.

    This is not the way of it currently. Maori are allowed to behave in
    ways that non-Maori would never contemplate because of the
    consequences. Imagine what would happen if ACT MPs got up in
    Parliament and danced with verbal aggression right in front of the
    Maori Party MPs.

    That is exactly what happened - Seymour's verbal aggression over a >considerable period of time

    Ludicrous nonsense. I carefully described what the Maori Party did in Parliament when the Bill received its first reading. ACT have never
    indulged in anything similar in Parliament.

    was eventually met by a relatively mild
    and short remonstration by another political party. This is of course
    what Seymour wanted - he will be delighted to have upset Te Pati
    Maori, and he hopes that his blatant contempt for acting in accordance
    with a binding commitment will get some waverers to support him, if
    for no other reason than his upsetting Maori.

    You have no basis to make assertions about what ACT or Seymour want,
    and you continue to misrepresent what the Bill is about. You ignore
    the fact that Labour supported a similar Bill in 2005/2006, that was
    defeated at its second reading when Labour voted against it as
    promised.

    What happened with ACT's Bill is totally irrational given the
    circumstances.

    The six months select committee gives him the opportunity to build
    distrust and conflict, with those picking up his line transferring
    support at the next election from mainly National and NZ First to ACT,
    but with the advantage of also telling those already supporters that
    ACT will stop at nothing to deliver to supporters, and under cover of
    that demonstration, distract from other issues such as fast track
    pay-offs to supporters. ACT are indeed dancing with glee at showing
    how they are not constrained by common decency, or government
    commitments - as with Trump, power is all . . .

    Irrational rubbish and irrelevant to ACT's Bill.


    --
    Crash McBash

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Nov 24 02:24:16 2024
    On 2024-11-23, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 23 Nov 2024 11:11:46 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 19:13:55 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/kahu/te-pati-maori-files-complaint-against-gerry-brownlee-as-coalition-targets-haka/6X3DAO5MINCAHCUGWTLQ265GEM/?utm_source=Klaviyo&utm_medium=email&_kx=r-9yRwOooklJ4fu8JfYI0L2yjNQJoEDhB4PntHsLeWo.VYfxNg#:~:text=Te%20P%C4%
    81ti%20M%C4%81ori%20has%20laid%20an%20official%20complaint,Te%20Tiriti%2C%20Aotearoa%E2%80%99s%20biggest%20protest%20on%20parliament%20grounds.
    Disrespecting parliament should carry severe penalties.
    Where I live most local folk believe this behaviour is reprehensible, and at >>>least 50% of those folk are Maori.

    This is not the way of it currently. Maori are allowed to behave in
    ways that non-Maori would never contemplate because of the
    consequences. Imagine what would happen if ACT MPs got up in
    Parliament and danced with verbal aggression right in front of the
    Maori Party MPs.

    That is exactly what happened - Seymour's verbal aggression over a considerable period of time was eventually met by a relatively mild
    and short remonstration by another political party. This is of course
    what Seymour wanted - he will be delighted to have upset Te Pati
    Maori, and he hopes that his blatant contempt for acting in accordance
    with a binding commitment will get some waverers to support him, if
    for no other reason than his upsetting Maori.

    The six months select committee gives him the opportunity to build
    distrust and conflict, with those picking up his line transferring
    support at the next election from mainly National and NZ First to ACT,
    but with the advantage of also telling those already supporters that
    ACT will stop at nothing to deliver to supporters, and under cover of
    that demonstration, distract from other issues such as fast track
    pay-offs to supporters. ACT are indeed dancing with glee at showing
    how they are not constrained by common decency, or government
    commitments - as with Trump, power is all . . .

    So we have a case of the person, MP, not being able to defend/explain his
    point of view. In a democracy we can expect to be offended at times by the ideas that are expressed. However most of us do not shoot the messanger. We express points which you hope will persuade the other side to your view
    point.

    Note that once again we also have the case where Left is transferring the
    fault onto the other party. (Its not me, it is you).

    I believe that the Treaty issues, need to be discussed and a start of
    working through them. Other wise they will continue to fester at intervals.

    It will be a difficult task, but disrepection the Governing system of the country will not help in any way.

    Finally this attempt to divide that Nation is also a Left desire/plan.

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