• Too many nursing granduates for Heath NZ

    From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 28 19:55:22 2024
    So here we have nurses graduating (from un-named sources) and Health
    NZ unable to make job offers:

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/535049/half-of-nursing-graduates-miss-out-on-job-offer-from-te-whatu-ora?cid=newsletter

    There are a number of issues that RNZ does not address in this
    article, such as who is offering this qualification and what is the
    connection between student numbers and Health NZ employment on
    graduation. While Health NZ is a large employer of nurses, there is
    no mention of employment of graduates in General Practices, Palliative
    care (Hospices) or any form of medical care other than aged care.

    Health NZ, along with all other employers of nurses, does not have an
    unlimited budget to employ all-comers. It would be a shame though if
    some graduates were forced to move offshore for employment on
    graduation.


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    Crash McBash

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 28 23:27:01 2024
    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 19:55:22 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    So here we have nurses graduating (from un-named sources) and Health
    NZ unable to make job offers:

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/535049/half-of-nursing-graduates-miss-out-on-job-offer-from-te-whatu-ora?cid=newsletter

    There are a number of issues that RNZ does not address in this
    article, such as who is offering this qualification and what is the >connection between student numbers and Health NZ employment on
    graduation. While Health NZ is a large employer of nurses, there is
    no mention of employment of graduates in General Practices, Palliative
    care (Hospices) or any form of medical care other than aged care.

    Health NZ, along with all other employers of nurses, does not have an >unlimited budget to employ all-comers. It would be a shame though if
    some graduates were forced to move offshore for employment on
    graduation.

    It is vocational training; similar to that for teachers - a long time
    ago both were largely done through on the job training, with some
    academic components. Now most get a degree which may include quite a
    bit of what used to be in specific courses, but there is also still
    some training through placements. The number of students is to an
    extent able to be managed - I know there used to be subsidies to
    encourage ''country service'' for teachers, and similar on the job
    training positions for nurses.

    What appears to have happened is that despite encouraging higher
    numbers to undertake nursing training (Covid had for example burnt off
    quite a few), we also recruited many trained nurses from overseas -
    many went to lower paid aged care positions, but are now moving to
    hospital nursing positions.

    But this is a time when many nurses are still very stressed, and more
    nurses are urgently needed, but the government has cut off recruitment
    to hospitals, as well as not allowing nurse pay to keep up with
    inflation. I suspect partly this is so that we get used to overseas
    nurses at lower pay - tough luck to New Zealanders!

    The end game appears to be to encourage nurses to seek jobs in private
    health facilities, leaving public health organisations starved of
    staff so that it will be easier to privatise, but at this stage it
    just seems yet another part of the heartless approach to all aspects
    of health in the name of cost cutting.

    Try to stay healthy for the next five years - it will take a few years
    for a new government to be elected and make progress on reversing the
    lower standards of the current government . . .

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Nov 28 21:29:56 2024
    On 2024-11-28, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 28 Nov 2024 19:55:22 +1300, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    So here we have nurses graduating (from un-named sources) and Health
    NZ unable to make job offers:
    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/535049/half-of-nursing-graduates-miss-out-on-job-offer-from-te-whatu-ora?cid=newsletter

    There are a number of issues that RNZ does not address in this
    article, such as who is offering this qualification and what is the >>connection between student numbers and Health NZ employment on
    graduation. While Health NZ is a large employer of nurses, there is
    no mention of employment of graduates in General Practices, Palliative
    care (Hospices) or any form of medical care other than aged care.

    Health NZ, along with all other employers of nurses, does not have an >>unlimited budget to employ all-comers. It would be a shame though if
    some graduates were forced to move offshore for employment on
    graduation.

    It is vocational training; similar to that for teachers - a long time
    ago both were largely done through on the job training, with some
    academic components. Now most get a degree which may include quite a
    bit of what used to be in specific courses, but there is also still
    some training through placements. The number of students is to an
    extent able to be managed - I know there used to be subsidies to
    encourage ''country service'' for teachers, and similar on the job
    training positions for nurses.

    What appears to have happened is that despite encouraging higher
    numbers to undertake nursing training (Covid had for example burnt off
    quite a few), we also recruited many trained nurses from overseas -
    many went to lower paid aged care positions, but are now moving to
    hospital nursing positions.

    But this is a time when many nurses are still very stressed, and more
    nurses are urgently needed, but the government has cut off recruitment
    to hospitals,

    I came across the view that the hospital staff cuts were in the IT section,
    not the health care section. Just saying as the saying goes. I do think this might have some truth in it the way main stream media flows.

    After all there are alot of staff in the health sector who are health
    related. We focus to a great extent only on the nurses and doctors as we
    react with them and not the IT folks, or the cleaners.



    as well as not allowing nurse pay to keep up with
    inflation. I suspect partly this is so that we get used to overseas
    nurses at lower pay - tough luck to New Zealanders!

    The end game appears to be to encourage nurses to seek jobs in private
    health facilities, leaving public health organisations starved of
    staff so that it will be easier to privatise, but at this stage it
    just seems yet another part of the heartless approach to all aspects
    of health in the name of cost cutting.

    Try to stay healthy for the next five years - it will take a few years
    for a new government to be elected and make progress on reversing the
    lower standards of the current government . . .

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