WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP) — The U.S. conservative political commentor >Candace Owens was refused a visa to enter New Zealand for a speaking >engagement because she had been banned from another country, immigration >officials said Thursday.
On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 20:27:46 -0000 (UTC), jesse
<jesse.jones@iphone.com> wrote:
WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP) — The U.S. conservative political commentor >>Candace Owens was refused a visa to enter New Zealand for a speaking >>engagement because she had been banned from another country, immigration >>officials said Thursday.
In the old days they would hang people for speaking the truth.
Many details of the "Holocaust" are disputed, including "6 million",
and Jews were not the only ones involved.
Curiously, Mao's Great Leap Backwards, and Stalin's
collectivization's, and the Armenian Genocide get far less attention.
In 1948 the Zionist invasion of the Levant, an area already populated, >required a great deal of "Holocaust" publicity (continues even today)
and a lot of help from Hollywood and Wall St (again continues even
today).
And where is the end game? After all those cities are bombed flat,
all those principals assassinated, what then?
<> ...candace-owens-zealand-australia-visa-
That vile MAGA kook should be banned forever from entering OZ.
In fact, *it* should be banned from entering any self respecting
civilised country!
Keep *its* kook shit confined to that septic MAGA alternate reality *it*
call home.
<> ...candace-owens-zealand-australia-visa-
On Sun, 08 Dec 2024 08:41:59 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:Nonsense. That is entirely consistent with what the FSU have always stood for. Why are you opposed to freedom of speech?
On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 20:27:46 -0000 (UTC), jesse
<jesse.jones@iphone.com> wrote:
WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP) — The U.S. conservative political commentor >>>Candace Owens was refused a visa to enter New Zealand for a speaking >>>engagement because she had been banned from another country, immigration >>>officials said Thursday.
In the old days they would hang people for speaking the truth.
Many details of the "Holocaust" are disputed, including "6 million",
and Jews were not the only ones involved.
Curiously, Mao's Great Leap Backwards, and Stalin's
collectivization's, and the Armenian Genocide get far less attention.
In 1948 the Zionist invasion of the Levant, an area already populated, >>required a great deal of "Holocaust" publicity (continues even today)
and a lot of help from Hollywood and Wall St (again continues even
today).
And where is the end game? After all those cities are bombed flat,
all those principals assassinated, what then?
Not surprisingly, the "Free Speech Union" is concerned: >https://www.fsu.nz/decision_to_bar_candace_owens_from_entry_into_new_zealand_arguably_unlawful_action_pending
but take quite a different approach for a University circulating
apolitical and factual material that some would prefer to hide: >https://www.fsu.nz/massey_university_takes_political_stance_on_treaty_principles_bill
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 00:37:08 +0100, Ördög, the Newsgroup Devil <newsgroup.devil@Hell.biz> wrote:
<> ...candace-owens-zealand-australia-visa-
That vile MAGA kook should be banned forever from entering OZ.
In fact, *it* should be banned from entering any self respecting
civilised country!
Keep *its* kook shit confined to that septic MAGA alternate reality *it*
call home.
Self-respecting civilised countries don't need to ban people because
of their political views.
On Sun, 8 Dec 2024 00:37:08 +0100, Ördög, the Newsgroup Devil ><newsgroup.devil@Hell.biz> wrote:
<> ...candace-owens-zealand-australia-visa-
That vile MAGA kook should be banned forever from entering OZ.
In fact, *it* should be banned from entering any self respecting
civilised country!
Keep *its* kook shit confined to that septic MAGA alternate reality *it* >>call home.
Self-respecting civilised countries don't need to ban people because
of their political views.
On Sun, 08 Dec 2024 08:41:59 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 20:27:46 -0000 (UTC), jesse
<jesse.jones@iphone.com> wrote:
WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP) — The U.S. conservative political commentor >>> Candace Owens was refused a visa to enter New Zealand for a speaking
engagement because she had been banned from another country, immigration >>> officials said Thursday.
In the old days they would hang people for speaking the truth.
Many details of the "Holocaust" are disputed, including "6 million",
and Jews were not the only ones involved.
Curiously, Mao's Great Leap Backwards, and Stalin's
collectivization's, and the Armenian Genocide get far less attention.
In 1948 the Zionist invasion of the Levant, an area already populated,
required a great deal of "Holocaust" publicity (continues even today)
and a lot of help from Hollywood and Wall St (again continues even
today).
And where is the end game?
There won't be one, you watch
After all those cities are bombed flat,
That never happens.
all those principals assassinated, what then?
The principals get replaced and the shit fight continues
On Mon, 09 Dec 2024 08:19:27 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 09 Dec 2024 06:53:31 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2024 09:32:20 +1100, "Rod Speed"That was then, this is the reality now!
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 08 Dec 2024 08:41:59 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote: >>>>
On Sat, 7 Dec 2024 20:27:46 -0000 (UTC), jesse
<jesse.jones@iphone.com> wrote:
WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP) — The U.S. conservative political
commentor
Candace Owens was refused a visa to enter New Zealand for a speaking >>>>>> engagement because she had been banned from another country,
immigration
officials said Thursday.
In the old days they would hang people for speaking the truth.
Many details of the "Holocaust" are disputed, including "6 million", >>>>> and Jews were not the only ones involved.
Curiously, Mao's Great Leap Backwards, and Stalin's
collectivization's, and the Armenian Genocide get far less attention. >>>>>
In 1948 the Zionist invasion of the Levant, an area already populated, >>>>> required a great deal of "Holocaust" publicity (continues even today) >>>>> and a lot of help from Hollywood and Wall St (again continues even
today).
And where is the end game?
There won't be one, you watch
After all those cities are bombed flat,
That never happens.
all those principals assassinated, what then?
The principals get replaced and the shit fight continues
Exactly, and yet the Zionists are propped up relentlessly for no
reason. Evidently we must wait for a new generation to take over
before there's any hope.
Bob Hawke.. " If the bell tolls for Israel, it won't just toll for
Israel, it will toll for all mankind"
What a terminal fuckwit he always was
Now the idiot Minister has stuck his nose in and reversed the decision,
so the looney wacko will (currently) be allowed to come to New Zealand.
:-\
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 , Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Now the idiot Minister has stuck his nose in and reversed the decision,
so the looney wacko will (currently) be allowed to come to New Zealand.
:-\
Free Speech is such a bitch.
On 2024-12-13 03:25:43 +0000, Willy Nilly said:It is also not illegal. People are entitled to do all of those things, there are consequences of course. But that is life.
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 , Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Now the idiot Minister has stuck his nose in and reversed the decision,
so the looney wacko will (currently) be allowed to come to New Zealand.
:-\
Free Speech is such a bitch.
"Free speech" is fine ... talking a load of utter lies and complete
bullshit isn't. :-(
On 2024-12-13 03:25:43 +0000, Willy Nilly said:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 , Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Now the idiot Minister has stuck his nose in and reversed the decision,
so the looney wacko will (currently) be allowed to come to New Zealand.
:-\
Free Speech is such a bitch.
"Free speech" is fine ... talking a load of utter lies and complete
bullshit isn't. :-(
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-13 03:25:43 +0000, Willy Nilly said:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 , Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Now the idiot Minister has stuck his nose in and reversed the decision, >>>> so the looney wacko will (currently) be allowed to come to New Zealand. >>>> :-\
Free Speech is such a bitch.
"Free speech" is fine ... talking a load of utter lies and complete
bullshit isn't. :-(
It is also not illegal. People are entitled to do all of those things, there are consequences of course. But that is life.
On 2024-12-13 03:25:43 +0000, Willy Nilly said:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 , Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Now the idiot Minister has stuck his nose in and reversed the decision,
so the looney wacko will (currently) be allowed to come to New Zealand.
:-\
Free Speech is such a bitch.
"Free speech" is fine ... talking a load of utter lies and complete
bullshit isn't. :-(
On 2024-12-13 07:26:53 +0000, Tony said:Of course, you are correct. But nobody has explained why she is dangerous. Unless what she says actually harms someone she is entitled to say it.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
On 2024-12-13 03:25:43 +0000, Willy Nilly said:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 , Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Now the idiot Minister has stuck his nose in and reversed the decision, >>>>> so the looney wacko will (currently) be allowed to come to New Zealand. >>>>> :-\
Free Speech is such a bitch.
"Free speech" is fine ... talking a load of utter lies and complete
bullshit isn't. :-(
It is also not illegal. People are entitled to do all of those things, there >> are consequences of course. But that is life.
People think they're "entitled" to do all sorts of ridiculous and
idiotic things, but that doesn't mean it is actually sensible to let
them do it.
On 2024-12-13 03:25:43 +0000, Willy Nilly said:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 , Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Now the idiot Minister has stuck his nose in and reversed the decision,
so the looney wacko will (currently) be allowed to come to New Zealand.
:-\
Free Speech is such a bitch.
"Free speech" is fine ... talking a load of utter lies and complete
bullshit isn't. :-(
On 2024-12-13 17:24:10 +0000, BR said:I love it when people state that they are smarter than the rest of us - they always come tumbling down in the face of truth.
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 19:10:31 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2024-12-13 03:25:43 +0000, Willy Nilly said:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 , Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Now the idiot Minister has stuck his nose in and reversed the decision, >>>>> so the looney wacko will (currently) be allowed to come to New Zealand. >>>>> :-\
Free Speech is such a bitch.
"Free speech" is fine ... talking a load of utter lies and complete
bullshit isn't. :-(
So who gets to define what is a load of utter lies and complete
bullshit?
People like you?
Bill.
Yep, intelligent people who actually use their brains, rather than
sheep who blindly follow a looney nutjob wacko.
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 19:10:31 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2024-12-13 03:25:43 +0000, Willy Nilly said:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 , Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Now the idiot Minister has stuck his nose in and reversed the decision, >>>> so the looney wacko will (currently) be allowed to come to New Zealand. >>>> :-\
Free Speech is such a bitch.
"Free speech" is fine ... talking a load of utter lies and complete
bullshit isn't. :-(
So who gets to define what is a load of utter lies and complete
bullshit?
People like you?
Bill.
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:Since nobody has made such a claim, perhaps you are just talking to
On 2024-12-13 17:24:10 +0000, BR said:I love it when people state that they are smarter than the rest of us - they >always come tumbling down in the face of truth.
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 19:10:31 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2024-12-13 03:25:43 +0000, Willy Nilly said:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 , Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Now the idiot Minister has stuck his nose in and reversed the decision, >>>>>> so the looney wacko will (currently) be allowed to come to New Zealand. >>>>>> :-\
Free Speech is such a bitch.
"Free speech" is fine ... talking a load of utter lies and complete
bullshit isn't. :-(
So who gets to define what is a load of utter lies and complete
bullshit?
People like you?
Bill.
Yep, intelligent people who actually use their brains, rather than
sheep who blindly follow a looney nutjob wacko.
Just ignore people who you believe are nutjobs, but take a stand against people
who are actually dangerous (the subject of this thread is not dangerous), there
are planty of them.
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 21:58:46 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are really struggling with this new language of yours eh? Such a claim has been made. Here's a test - read more carefully and translate into your native language as you do. It might work.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:Since nobody has made such a claim, perhaps you are just talking to
On 2024-12-13 17:24:10 +0000, BR said:I love it when people state that they are smarter than the rest of us - they >>always come tumbling down in the face of truth.
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 19:10:31 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
On 2024-12-13 03:25:43 +0000, Willy Nilly said:
On Fri, 13 Dec 2024 , Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
Now the idiot Minister has stuck his nose in and reversed the decision, >>>>>>> so the looney wacko will (currently) be allowed to come to New Zealand. >>>>>>> :-\
Free Speech is such a bitch.
"Free speech" is fine ... talking a load of utter lies and complete
bullshit isn't. :-(
So who gets to define what is a load of utter lies and complete
bullshit?
People like you?
Bill.
Yep, intelligent people who actually use their brains, rather than
sheep who blindly follow a looney nutjob wacko.
yourself, Tony - or perhaps you are talking about yourself.
.Nonsene. The problem is people like you want to decide what is and what is not acceptable.
Just ignore people who you believe are nutjobs, but take a stand against >>people
who are actually dangerous (the subject of this thread is not dangerous), >>there
are planty of them.
The problem with that is that there are disagreements about which
people and statements are actually dangerous. For example most people >accepted that the decision to not allow publication of the "manifesto"
and the videos created by the Christchurch shooter should not be
allowed to be published, but there was some dissent.
Now we have a decision not to allow entry to New Zealand to aThe issue is not political but you try to make it so.
"Conservative US influencer" based on the decision by Australia to
deny her entry, followed by the reversal of that decision, apparently
on the basis of pressure from part of the ACT Party political lobbying
and propaganda structure - the "Free Speech Union," which appears to
be part of the successors of the "Dirty Tricks" arrangements
originally run for National, but now linked to the Atlas Network and
the ACT political party. Collectively, they appear to be using
encouraging dissent and dissatisfaction with a range of issues, with
close similarities to the publicity apparatus put together to get
Trump re-elected. So think about it - from what the Free Speech Union
has said, do you think they would have objected to publication of the >Christchurch Shooter manifesto, or publication of the video he took
while the shooting was happening . . . I doubt anyone would get a >straight answer out of the Free Speech Union - it is possible that
some in ACT really do believe there should be no censorship and people
should be able to shout Fire Fire! in a crowded multi-story theatre
that is filled to capacity . . . - but also think about the reality
that the ACT Party is in itself very authoritarian about MPs and
members following the agreed script, leaving most policies to the
Leader, and minimising any suggestion of differences of opinion on
agreed policies.
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